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Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« on: March 29, 2017, 05:32:26 AM »
First healthcare, now the wall, I'm not so sure now that Gorsuch will be confirmed.  I fully understand the DEMS trying to block funding, but where's the support from our majority??   :cursing:

Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait

Republicans in Congress are considering delaying a decision on President Trump’s request for $1.5 billion this year to begin construction on a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Reuters reported Tuesday that some Republicans say that the money needed for the project would likely not be in a spending bill that must pass next month to avoid a government shutdown. Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., told Reuters that funding could be considered “at a later time.”

Trump promised that Mexico would pay for his wall, a demand Mexico has repeatedly rejected.

Trump's first budget proposal to Congress, a preliminary draft that was light on details, asked lawmakers for a $2.6 billion down payment for the wall. An internal report prepared for Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly estimated that a wall along the entire border would cost about $21 billion...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/28/trumps-border-wall-funding-will-likely-have-to-wait.html

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 06:53:33 AM »
This is funny. The RINO are threatening Trump with the budget.
Remember when the Marxist refused to deal with Congress? That's right, it was congress that shut down government.
This is going to backfire on the Establishment big time, they don't have the podium Trump has.
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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 06:59:37 AM »
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.

IMO, the wall will never get built.  As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.

I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration.  There are other more effective ways to deal with it.

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 07:03:36 AM »
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.

IMO, the wall will never get built.  As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.

I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration.  There are other more effective ways to deal with it.
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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2017, 07:19:41 AM »
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?

The analogy is flawed.  If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume.  I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.

As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration. 

I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air. 

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2017, 08:23:48 AM »
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.

IMO, the wall will never get built.  As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.

I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration.  There are other more effective ways to deal with it.

First, never say never.  Secondly, why do you feel that a wall is unnecessary?  A wall not only provides a much needed physical barrier but also provides a visual barrier as well.  I would be interested in hearing what more effective ways do you feel there are?

Four things are needed IMHO for effective illegal immigration control.  #1  Announce to the Mexican people that the U.S. has adopted a zero tolerance policy for illegal immigration and those coming across come across at the risk of now being shot.  #2 Start immediate deportation of illegals sitting in our prisons and empty our schools of illegals and deport those families.  #3 Cut off all social programs to illegals; including Medicaid, food stamps, social security disability etc.  #4 Build a wall similar to the one in Israel and put effective manpower behind it.
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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2017, 08:26:33 AM »
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?

The analogy is flawed.  If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume.  I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.

As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration. 

I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.

You might worry about those putting drugs in our children more than Monsanto. The wall does more than curb illegal immigration. It also acts as a barrier against drug and human traffiking. As you said, it's one option of several - and we need to use several to stop the flow at that border. Even more, it will pay for itself due to the curb in illegals that have to be processed time and time again. The cost for the wall is a big number but so is the cost to process illegals year after year.

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2017, 08:42:22 AM »
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?

The analogy is flawed.  If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume.  I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.

As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration. 

I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.

No, actually your analogy is very weak.  First of all a 12 year old and his mother fleeing Honduras and coming into this country are committing a crime by entering this country ILLEGALLY. 

I'm not going to do your research for you but the negative impact of illegal immigration on this country is staggering and significant.  Websites like the Pew Research Center, FAIR and Numbers USA are good starting points to begin looking up that stats.  Sure, the 12 year old coming in with his mom seems innocent enough, but once here, how many more from her family will follow behind her?  How many will want to come into this country for xyz reason? Take a look at Europe...terrorists are coming in under the guise of being a refugee.  Europe is a mess and yes ... walls are now being built.  Rapes, murders, burglaries are rampant committed by these refugees are rampant in many countries over in Europe ... again ... a quick google search works wonders. Belgium, France, German, Denmark are all experiencing refugee/immigration problems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/opinion/can-germany-be-honest-about-its-refugee-problems.html?_r=0

You still haven't expounded upon your statement of there are better ways to stop illegal immigration.  What would those ways be?
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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2017, 08:45:25 AM »
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.

IMO, the wall will never get built.  As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.

I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration.  There are other more effective ways to deal with it.


Mexico or rather Mexicans can easily be made to pay for the wall.

Every week they send billions of dollars back to Mexico in remittance thru outlets like western union and Xoom among others. Taxings such remittance would be just one way to pay for a wall.

Then again withdrawing foreign aide to Mexico and other Latin American source countries such as Guatemala etc would be another.

And a wall is a psychological barrier as well as a physical one. Very important in this undeclared war on our country.
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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2017, 08:48:26 AM »
First, never say never.  Secondly, why do you feel that a wall is unnecessary?  A wall not only provides a much needed physical barrier but also provides a visual barrier as well.  I would be interested in hearing what more effective ways do you feel there are?

Four things are needed IMHO for effective illegal immigration control.  #1  Announce to the Mexican people that the U.S. has adopted a zero tolerance policy for illegal immigration and those coming across come across at the risk of now being shot.  #2 Start immediate deportation of illegals sitting in our prisons and empty our schools of illegals and deport those families.  #3 Cut off all social programs to illegals; including Medicaid, food stamps, social security disability etc.  #4 Build a wall similar to the one in Israel and put effective manpower behind it.

Well said! The immigrants at issue are ILLEGAL - that means a law has been broken. And the Marxist chose not to enforce the law which has contributed to why illegals with families have proliferated and are being torn apart. That is one legacy Obama should own.

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2017, 08:59:36 AM »

Mexico or rather Mexicans can easily be made to pay for the wall.

Every week they send billions of dollars back to Mexico in remittance thru outlets like western union and Xoom among others. Taxings such remittance would be just one way to pay for a wall.

Then again withdrawing foreign aide to Mexico and other Latin American source countries such as Guatemala etc would be another.

And a wall is a psychological barrier as well as a physical one. Very important in this undeclared war on our country.

I like your idea of withdrawing foreign aide to Mexico and others to pay for the wall, but I'm not so sure that the amount would equal what is needed to pay for the wall.  Certainly drastically reducing the amount of aid we give to other countries is a starting point. There are other places to recoup some of the money needed; the United States gives approximately $8 billion yearly in mandatory payments as an example.

To not fund the wall now is going to be a huge mistake and it could very well hurt those running for re-election in 2018.

http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/16/america-pay-way-too-much-for-united-nations.html

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2017, 09:42:53 AM »
You might worry about those putting drugs in our children more than Monsanto. The wall does more than curb illegal immigration. It also acts as a barrier against drug and human traffiking. As you said, it's one option of several - and we need to use several to stop the flow at that border. Even more, it will pay for itself due to the curb in illegals that have to be processed time and time again. The cost for the wall is a big number but so is the cost to process illegals year after year.
The drugs being put in our children are from Pharma.  Or have you not been following the opioid epidemic?

Shall we build a wall around big pharma?

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2017, 10:01:06 AM »
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?

The analogy is flawed.  If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume.  I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.

As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration. 

I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.
So you didn't like the fact that my analogy made perfect sense, that you had to shift the narrative to fit with your straw man?
Those so called "families" crossing the border cut right through your property to get into the country, assuming you didn't fence your property, and since you don't believe in locks either, they raided your fridge and took all the valuables they could carry.
That's human nature, no matter how moral of a person you are, protecting your family is priority #1, and had you been home, your life was second to his family's well-being.
Gee, just think what a fence and door locks could do.

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2017, 10:17:56 AM »
So you didn't like the fact that my analogy made perfect sense, that you had to shift the narrative to fit with your straw man?
Those so called "families" crossing the border cut right through your property to get into the country, assuming you didn't fence your property, and since you don't believe in locks either, they raided your fridge and took all the valuables they could carry.
That's human nature, no matter how moral of a person you are, protecting your family is priority #1, and had you been home, your life was second to his family's well-being.
Gee, just think what a fence and door locks could do.

Last time, use the quote function so the responding party knows you were talking to them, and also, it makes the conversation easier for the lurker to follow, which we have in the thousands.

Our readers are just as important as our posting members, they're the reason we're here.

Your analogy is embarrassing.  Under it, every country should have a wall.  We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific.  The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.

If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth.  Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans.  Many immigrants fly right into airports.

There is crime in every town in America.  Does every house have a wall around it?  Should every? 

DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America?  Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape?  Do you know what a refugee is?  Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law?  Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia?  DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day?  Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them?  How many refugees did Iraq war create?  Who took them in?  You know about the coup in Honduras?  Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America.  The CIA paying drug lords.  Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did?  Even though it kills far more people then drugs?  Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here?  Wall them off?  You know the role banks playing in the drug trade?  You know most drugs come in via ship or plane?  You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks? 

You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you.  You aren't a republican.  You are basically a fascist.

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2017, 10:19:37 AM »
The drugs being put in our children are from Pharma.  Or have you not been following the opioid epidemic?

Shall we build a wall around big pharma?

Your responses are ingenuine - you've exhibited the typical behavior that you're mind is made up despite facts and no amount of debate will ever change it. It took about a microsecond to find this secondary source:  ...

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Heroin consumed in the US comes mainly from Afghanistan and Mexico, members of the UN's International Narcotics Control Board (INCB), said in Mexico City on Wednesday, March 2.

INCB's 2015 report also revealed that exporters of the vast amount of opium planted in Afghanistan have their eyes set on distribution in the US's growing market, similar to heroin trafficked from Mexico.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heroin-in-the-us-from-mexico-and-afghanistan-2016-3

Of course, you have to be careful with secondary sources. A secondary source just means that someone else may have pulled something out of their ass instead of me. But this seems reference seems solid enough for this discussion.

I've known many families that are dealing with this horrific issue. And it's costing our nation a lot in terms of policing it and care for those who get addicted. Slowing this is just another part of the benefit to be had when we build the wall.

Don't get me wrong - I wish there were a better alternative. But building a wall is a logical component of protecting our southern border and battling several big problems for the US: Illegal immigration, terrorist entry, drug and human trafficking.

 

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