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Title: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 06:00:24 AM
I am a "newbie" here and I hope I have posted in the correct place.

I live in San Ysidro, CA, just a stones throw from the border. I am increasingly worried that the wall will never get built. The leftist Democrats in Congress seem determined to never properly fund it's construction.

I don't know how things are where you live, but I' drowning in illegal aliens.  :scared:

I favor shutting down the government until a funding package is passed.

What do other members think the chances are that the wall will get built, and pronto ?

As far as I'm concerned, the wall is,or should be our #1 priority

Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Solar on August 09, 2018, 06:16:46 AM
It will get built, in spite of Marxists in Congress. Trump has yet to break a promise.
I'm a Ca native myself, I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 06:29:42 AM
I am concerned that the wall will not start and finish within Pres Trump's 1st term.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Solar on August 09, 2018, 07:08:14 AM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 06:29:42 AM
I am concerned that the wall will not start and finish within Pres Trump's 1st term.
Much depends on whether Jordan takes over as Speaker and how many RINO leave in Nov. and purging McCON-nel.
Believe me, things are changing, the problem is the GOP and kicking these scum out of the party.
Biggs made a campaign promise to get elected, as did many running on the TEA platform, it's up to us to hold their feet to the fire, and yes, we are to blame for the Congress we elect.
Trump can only do so much by himself.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2018/08/08/biggs-introduces-fund-border-wall-act/
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: supsalemgr on August 09, 2018, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 06:00:24 AM
I am a "newbie" here and I hope I have posted in the correct place.

I live in San Ysidro, CA, just a stones throw from the border. I am increasingly worried that the wall will never get built. The leftist Democrats in Congress seem determined to never properly fund it's construction.

I don't know how things are where you live, but I' drowning in illegal aliens.  :scared:

I favor shutting down the government until a funding package is passed.

What do other members think the chances are that the wall will get built, and pronto ?

As far as I'm concerned, the wall is,or should be our #1 priority

Welcome. As long as Trump is president the wall will be a priority. As Solar points out, the barrier is the RINO's in congress. He has allies in the Freedom Caucus.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: T Hunt on August 09, 2018, 08:51:00 AM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 06:00:24 AM
I am a "newbie" here and I hope I have posted in the correct place.

I live in San Ysidro, CA, just a stones throw from the border. I am increasingly worried that the wall will never get built. The leftist Democrats in Congress seem determined to never properly fund it's construction.

I don't know how things are where you live, but I' drowning in illegal aliens.  :scared:

I favor shutting down the government until a funding package is passed.

What do other members think the chances are that the wall will get built, and pronto ?

As far as I'm concerned, the wall is,or should be our #1 priority

Welcome to the forum, but calm down for a sec. Remember last winter when the gvt shutdown and the dems got the blame and caved because trump called it the Shumer Shutdown?

And then, back in spring when trump grudgingly signed that disgusting spending bill? He said that the next one was coming up in sept and he was NOT gonna sign another one like that, esp without funding for the wall.

Fast forward to now and trump is saying he will shut ithe gvt down if he doesnt get funding for the wall.
So he seems pretty hell bent on getting his way on this.

Add to that that immigration is why he got elected, and midterms are right around the corner. The american people overwhelmingly want a wall. And by forcing this issue now its a win win, because he either gets the wall, or even if he somehow doesnt, the dems will get all the blame for the shutdown and lower their midterm chances even moreso. Then we will have a red eave and trump will just rinse and repeat with the new more red congress in january. So again its a win win for him and us.

Dont worry, trump is a genius who usually gets his way.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Solar on August 09, 2018, 09:16:41 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on August 09, 2018, 08:51:00 AM
Welcome to the forum, but calm down for a sec. Remember last winter when the gvt shutdown and the dems got the blame and caved because trump called it the Shumer Shutdown?

And then, back in spring when trump grudgingly signed that disgusting spending bill? He said that the next one was coming up in sept and he was NOT gonna sign another one like that, esp without funding for the wall.

Fast forward to now and trump is saying he will shut ithe gvt down if he doesnt get funding for the wall.
So he seems pretty hell bent on getting his way on this.

Add to that that immigration is why he got elected, and midterms are right around the corner. The american people overwhelmingly want a wall. And by forcing this issue now its a win win, because he either gets the wall, or even if he somehow doesnt, the dems will get all the blame for the shutdown and lower their midterm chances even moreso. Then we will have a red eave and trump will just rinse and repeat with the new more red congress in january. So again its a win win for him and us.

Dont worry, trump is a genius who usually gets his way.

Excellent point. He warned them and now he'll shut down the govt and blame the left, when in truth, this round was fired directly at McCON-nels pea brained head.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Billy's bayonet on August 09, 2018, 09:42:20 AM
welcome to the Forum Traveler, I understand your concern, the wall is technically being built, and I am confident it will be funded if Trumo is left to his devices, but as I have pointed out many times on this forum a Wall is just part and parcel of the solution to the illegal problem. We need E verify, we need to stop funding Sanctuary Cities and we need to close the loophole that allow the illegals to scam the system.  Turn off the magnets and that is half the battle.  Make America illegal alien UNFREINDLY.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: taxed on August 09, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 06:29:42 AM
I am concerned that the wall will not start and finish within Pres Trump's 1st term.

So?
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
So ?  Why do you say that ?  What happens if Trump somehow is not re-elected ? The wall will be doomed.

If someone like Hillary Clinton (spit, spit, gag) is elected instead, not only will the wall be doomed, but she's fling open the doors.

I say defund sanctuary cities NOW !
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Billy's bayonet on August 09, 2018, 06:02:56 PM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
So ?  Why do you say that ?  What happens if Trump somehow is not re-elected ? The wall will be doomed.

If someone like Hillary Clinton (spit, spit, gag) is elected instead, not only will the wall be doomed, but she's fling open the doors.

I say defund sanctuary cities NOW !

Unless they kill him....which is the deep states next move.....Trump is getting re-elected, and I hope the Marxist party formerly known as Democrats is stupid enough to run Hillary.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Solar on August 09, 2018, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
So ?  Why do you say that ?  What happens if Trump somehow is not re-elected ? The wall will be doomed.

If someone like Hillary Clinton (spit, spit, gag) is elected instead, not only will the wall be doomed, but she's fling open the doors.

I say defund sanctuary cities NOW !
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You're funny. The Dim party is dead, the only reason you hear the GOP claim the Dim party a threat, is so people panic and elect RINO.
Its what they do, they're scum and hate their own base.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Solar, I hope you are correct. I fear that you are wrong. Until the wooden stake is driven though their evil hearts, they will be with us, hounding us, forever.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Solar on August 09, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Solar, I hope you are correct. I fear that you are wrong. Until the wooden stake is driven though their evil hearts, they will be with us, hounding us, forever.
Yes, leftists will, but as it stands, there s a great divide within the party, so much so, it'll take decades to mend.
I've been writing about this for over a decade now, and it's been a progressive collapse that has yet to hit bottom, at least another decade, and then they need an entirely new generation that knows nothing about their past, much like they somewhat accomplished with the Millennials and latest gen, and they abandoned the party altogether.

Here are a few articles I've written on the subject.

https://conservativehardliner.com/future-democrat-party-2018-and-beyond

https://conservativehardliner.com/you-abandoned-dim-party-now-youre-independent

https://conservativehardliner.com/remember-dim-party-60s

Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: taxed on August 09, 2018, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
So ?  Why do you say that ?
Because I have 100% confidence it will get built. I'm not in a hurry. We're making progress on illegal invasion, so I care more about direction than speed.

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  What happens if Trump somehow is not re-elected ? The wall will be doomed.
I'm more worried about a meteor hitting the Earth than Trump not getting reelected.

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If someone like Hillary Clinton (spit, spit, gag) is elected instead, not only will the wall be doomed, but she's fling open the doors.
I'm more concerned about the space debris that is a result from a missile that hits that meteor making it through the atmosphere and landing on my car than Hillary getting elected.

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I say defund sanctuary cities NOW !
Is it OK if they do it at their pace while using it as leverage to get other things before defunding? Or were you raised to get what you want right now?
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: taxed on August 09, 2018, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Solar, I hope you are correct. I fear that you are wrong. Until the wooden stake is driven though their evil hearts, they will be with us, hounding us, forever.

Then quit living in fear.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Rotwang on August 09, 2018, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 09, 2018, 06:02:56 PM
Unless they kill him....which is the deep states next move.....Trump is getting re-elected, and I hope the Marxist party formerly known as Democrats is stupid enough to run Hillary.

Which I firmly believe is what happened to JFK.

It has been said The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

The same is true for The Deep State.

This is not 1963 anymore. If something happens this time we will know who was responsible.


Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Billy's bayonet on August 10, 2018, 07:12:07 AM
Quote from: Rotwang on August 09, 2018, 11:43:30 PM
Which I firmly believe is what happened to JFK.

It has been said The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

The same is true for The Deep State.

This is not 1963 anymore. If something happens this time we will know who was responsible.

If the Deep state DID kill Kennedy then they had the Mob do it, they also offed Bobby and threatened to do Ted....until he drowned his mistress.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: T Hunt on August 10, 2018, 08:46:35 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 10, 2018, 07:12:07 AM
If the Deep state DID kill Kennedy then they had the Mob do it, they also offed Bobby and threatened to do Ted....until he drowned his mistress.

Well im wondering if the mob isnt part of the deep state, or at least part of the dem political machine.

In history we learned about the political machines of the 1800s which came about in the cities, which created massive voter fraud, and was deep in with the gangs of the time. And then the mafia was started and has its power in those same  corrupt cities, which are blue.

QuotePolitical machine, in U.S. politics, a party organization, headed by a single boss or small autocratic group, that commands enough votes to maintain political and administrative control of a city, county, or state.

The rapid growth of American cities in the 19th century, a result of both immigration and migration from rural areas, created huge problems for city governments, which were often poorly structured and unable to provide services. In those conditions, political machines—such as Tammany Hall, run by boss William Magear Tweed (1823–73) in New York City—were able to build a loyal voter following, especially among immigrant groups, by performing such favours as providing jobs or housing.

Political machines are characterized by a disciplined and hierarchical organization, reaching down to neighbourhood and block organizers, that enables the machine to respond to the problems of individual neighbourhoods, or even families, in exchange for loyalty at the polls. The term refers to their ability to elect candidates or enact measures with mechanical efficiency and predictability.

The primary goal of a political machine is keeping itself in power rather than providing good government.

Im thinking these political machines never really died but got more secretive. And since they right has 0 power in the cities, the political machines, using the mob as enforcers, have gone full blue.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Traveler on August 10, 2018, 11:42:02 AM
If you were drowning in Mexicans, as I am, I think you too would be in a hurry to see some dramatic change, NOW !
Defund sanctuary cities, NOW , before it is too late.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Solar on August 10, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: Traveler on August 10, 2018, 11:42:02 AM
If you were drowning in Mexicans, as I am, I think you too would be in a hurry to see some dramatic change, NOW !
Defund sanctuary cities, NOW , before it is too late.
Believe me, I feel your pain. I grew up in Sac in the 50s and 60s, now I live in the Sierra, couldn't stand the bullshit of the leftists in the Capitol.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Rotwang on August 31, 2018, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Believe me, I feel your pain. I grew up in Sac in the 50s and 60s, now I live in the Sierra, couldn't stand the bullshit of the leftists in the Capitol.


I cannot wait for the upcoming GUVMINT SHUTDOWN.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: SueAnn on August 31, 2018, 10:44:52 PM
Quote from: Traveler on August 09, 2018, 06:00:24 AM

I don't know how things are where you live, but I' drowning in illegal aliens.  :scared:



I am really really far from the border.  I live all the way up in Pennsylvania.  Mine is a Sanctuary City.  The Mexicans have taken over the town.  Storefronts are all in Spanish, no English.  All the government job openings in our town have been filled by Mexicans that can barely speak English.  No American has been hired in years.  A few years ago 68% of all the children in our school district were the children of illegals.  My house is on the same street that an Elementary and a Middle School are on and most of the kids walk by my house to and from school.  I believe the % is more like 80% now.   

Hubby and I are desperate to get out of this town.  We are tired  of feeling like unwanted visitors.  But where do we go to that hasn't also already been invaded?
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: T Hunt on August 31, 2018, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Rotwang on August 31, 2018, 08:29:26 PM

I cannot wait for the upcoming GUVMINT SHUTDOWN.

Same here. I think sept 31st is the last day of this fiscal year, so about a month away. Trump said hes not signing another monster omnibus, and he wants the wall funded too.
Title: Re: Trump's big new beautiful wall
Post by: Solar on September 01, 2018, 06:40:53 AM
Quote from: SueAnn on August 31, 2018, 10:44:52 PM
I am really really far from the border.  I live all the way up in Pennsylvania.  Mine is a Sanctuary City.  The Mexicans have taken over the town.  Storefronts are all in Spanish, no English.  All the government job openings in our town have been filled by Mexicans that can barely speak English.  No American has been hired in years.  A few years ago 68% of all the children in our school district were the children of illegals.  My house is on the same street that an Elementary and a Middle School are on and most of the kids walk by my house to and from school.  I believe the % is more like 80% now.   

Hubby and I are desperate to get out of this town.  We are tired  of feeling like unwanted visitors.  But where do we go to that hasn't also already been invaded?
I know of what you speak, Fresno in Ca is the same. If you were driving to Mexico and fell asleep on the bus and woke up in Fresno, you'd swear you had crossed the border hours ago.
Everything is in Mexican, no white people, the place looks like a slum, but you're still in a part of Fresno Ca.
Most of the state isn't this way, but the Marxists are trying very hard to drive people out.