Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

And at the beginning of his first term, he's going to have to steam clean the hell out of the Oval Office and bedrooms.  Who knows what stuff has gone on in there...

Quote from: taxed on May 04, 2015, 07:58:17 PM
And at the beginning of his first term, he's going to have to steam clean the hell out of the Oval Office and bedrooms.  Who knows what stuff has gone on in there...

This is one time I''m all for paying for his redecorating of the Oval office, and get rid of that God Awful shit Moochelle chose.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 08:00:55 PM
This is one time I''m all for paying for his redecorating of the Oval office, and get rid of that God Awful shit Moochelle chose.

We should also maybe let him burn some sage and get out whatever darkness is lurking in those corners...  his mother-in-law probably sacrificed one-to-many goats.

Before fumigating, rip up every bit of the old carpet, toss out the drapes, burn any furniture not deemed historical-value, and bring in specialists to determine Obama didn't somehow damage the building's foundations --- like the Muslim Maggot did to our Constitution.

Inventory remaining property and begin proceedings to recover what they stole. (If the drapes are gone, Fat Ass just got herself a new dress.)

Maybe by Week 4 when the bomb squad and the security people finally clear the building of bugs (explosive, actual, or auditory) --- then move in from Camp David.

By then Churchill's bust and Ronnie Reagan's portrait will be back in the Oval Office. Let the new President who sees these have their faith in democracy. Let someone finally mean it (again) that the buck stops here.

Quote from: taxed on May 04, 2015, 08:07:26 PM
...  his mother-in-law probably sacrificed one-to-many goats.

LOL....you sure it wasn't chickens?  I think she's into Santeria voodoo.

Quote from: taxed on May 04, 2015, 08:07:26 PM
We should also maybe let him burn some sage and get out whatever darkness is lurking in those corners...  his mother-in-law probably sacrificed one-to-many goats.

Better yet Alert the Arch Diocese in Washington DC and have the Bishop Petition his Holiness the Pope for a whole platoon of exorcists, notify DC engine co #12 to be on hand with a pumper truck filled with holy water and hose down the entire premises as well as the executive office building.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 06:24:42 PM
We don't know what the collateral damage was, but you can be assured, if the Marxist had found a victim, it would have made news of the year. They didn't and there wasn't.

But here's my issue. We have the NSA spying on Americans, claiming it's for our own good.
Then why do we have a Marxist and party of Marxists funneling in millions of illegals across the border, including terrorists with the help of the Establishment GOP?
Wouldn't it make sense to stop countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc, from entering the country?
Instead of focusing on returning Vets and calling them potential terrorists?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all

Who's the real enemy here? It sure as Hell isn't the patriots!

Instead, many see Snowden as the traitor, when in truth he exposed the real enemy, the truth of what is really going on here.
That our own Govt is spying on it's citizens in search of Patriots willing to fight this radical jihad by leftists against the American people.

I disagree, any victimology would have impacted Hussein even more negatively, we would have known EXACTLY who NSA was checking out and why and any aggrievement would translate into a lawsuit, or in the case of corporations no more campaign funds for you. Instead nobody knows nuttin' and nobody will. The Marxists had a perfect solution in letting Snowden go when they could have taken him soooo easily in Hong Kong. Capture him and any info he stole would have to be presented as evidence in open court.

Let me make this last point, some what belabored, so you might understand how this whole thing impacts me personally.

Yeh we know the nasty SOB are out to harm America and consider those of us who are conservative and true patriot "the enemy".....but other than the fact that what NSA did was an invasion of privacy and against the Constitution and some
Govt Bureacrats were caught lying....HOW DID ANY OF THIS INFORMATION they collected cause any real harm, yeah potentially they could destroy our lives but did they? Or were they holding this in reserve for some future sinister purpose?

Well now look at it this way, whatever information our own bunch of traitorious bureaucrats and Marxists had, NOW the CHinese and Russians have.

Now here is the personal part.

Its a real safe bet that I was one of the people who got "Monitored" by NSA as many of my private emails to back in the USA my family were collected it appppears that they concentrated on Emails going into and out of hte United States, so for years I worked in Southeast Asia, I did security work, I trained Military and Police forces of those countries and wasn't the only one doing that, lots and Lots of ex patriate Americans, former Cops, FBI, Military and US GOvt doing the same thing. Likewise, they got the Govt scrutiny as well,  Like many of my fellow Ex Pat's I married a foreign spouse, one who happened to be CHinese from a family of CHINESE ex patriates who were anti communists and more on the order of the Chinese Nationalists in Taiwan, they spread all through Asia before WW2, Manila, SIngapore, Jakarta, Bangkok etc, After the wreckage of WW2 they severed all ties with China and the communists and set up their own businesses in those respective countries, becoming wealthy and well off, thumbing their nose at Mao and his reds.

You have no idea how Beijing hates these people, they would do anything to bollix them, their business their lives etc etc. So here we are, Billy Marries into a Chinese Family of Well off Business people with interests all over Asia, Billy's personal emails back to the US with wedding Pictures, family members faces are monitored and collected by NSA. Now its bad enough the Govt Has it, but since I'm doing security work, the State Department knows all about me anyhow. Now they got my Spouse and her family all on record....they do anyhow because Mrs Billy had been to the USA on business before and had a visa.

Now along comes Snowden who steals all this shit and hands it over to the Red CHinese for what some presume is the noble purpose of exposing Hussein. Not just me, but hundreds maybe thousands of other American Expatriates living all over Asia and other parts of the world with Chinese or Chinese mix spouses, business partners etc etc.potentially have their lived given over to a Foreign hostile govt.  Beijing literally is jerking off at all the information they have been handed on a silver platter, they can retaliate in a hundred different ways and ruin dozens of businesses, business ventures, steal money, hack etc etc. and they can sit on this information and use it at the right time.

"the breath of the dragon covers the world" as one of our relatives is fond about saying of Beijing.

How has the USA been hurt or damaged? The very fact that Hussein allowed Snowden to pull this off has destroyed confidence in the USA, lots of Corporations in many different countries and the Govt themselves of said country don't want any part of us over this.....we know the US govt is monitoring us (Our Govt Monitor you and us as well) we know that, but you cannot insure safeguarding of such secrets that you amass when you allow the Snowdens of the world to get away with what he did and don't lift a finger to stop him.

Bejing (and of course Moscow) can continue to do subtle and overt damage to the USA in dozens of ways, leaking little bits of information gleaned from this theft to the detriment of the USA AND OUR ALLIES AND BUSINESS PARTNERS economically,  prestigeously etc etc.

INFORMATION is a very powerful weapon....In this manner Snowden is much worse an entity than the morons who leave the USA and go fight for ISIS....come to think of it, no one in our govt does anything to stop them either.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 05, 2015, 06:30:00 AM
I disagree, any victimology would have impacted Hussein even more negatively, we would have known EXACTLY who NSA was checking out and why and any aggrievement would translate into a lawsuit, or in the case of corporations no more campaign funds for you. Instead nobody knows nuttin' and nobody will. The Marxists had a perfect solution in letting Snowden go when they could have taken him soooo easily in Hong Kong. Capture him and any info he stole would have to be presented as evidence in open court.

Let me make this last point, some what belabored, so you might understand how this whole thing impacts me personally.

Yeh we know the nasty SOB are out to harm America and consider those of us who are conservative and true patriot "the enemy".....but other than the fact that what NSA did was an invasion of privacy and against the Constitution and some
Govt Bureacrats were caught lying....HOW DID ANY OF THIS INFORMATION they collected cause any real harm, yeah potentially they could destroy our lives but did they? Or were they holding this in reserve for some future sinister purpose?

Well now look at it this way, whatever information our own bunch of traitorious bureaucrats and Marxists had, NOW the CHinese and Russians have.

Now here is the personal part.

Its a real safe bet that I was one of the people who got "Monitored" by NSA as many of my private emails to back in the USA my family were collected it appppears that they concentrated on Emails going into and out of hte United States, so for years I worked in Southeast Asia, I did security work, I trained Military and Police forces of those countries and wasn't the only one doing that, lots and Lots of ex patriate Americans, former Cops, FBI, Military and US GOvt doing the same thing. Likewise, they got the Govt scrutiny as well,  Like many of my fellow Ex Pat's I married a foreign spouse, one who happened to be CHinese from a family of CHINESE ex patriates who were anti communists and more on the order of the Chinese Nationalists in Taiwan, they spread all through Asia before WW2, Manila, SIngapore, Jakarta, Bangkok etc, After the wreckage of WW2 they severed all ties with China and the communists and set up their own businesses in those respective countries, becoming wealthy and well off, thumbing their nose at Mao and his reds.

You have no idea how Beijing hates these people, they would do anything to bollix them, their business their lives etc etc. So here we are, Billy Marries into a Chinese Family of Well off Business people with interests all over Asia, Billy's personal emails back to the US with wedding Pictures, family members faces are monitored and collected by NSA. Now its bad enough the Govt Has it, but since I'm doing security work, the State Department knows all about me anyhow. Now they got my Spouse and her family all on record....they do anyhow because Mrs Billy had been to the USA on business before and had a visa.

Now along comes Snowden who steals all this shit and hands it over to the Red CHinese for what some presume is the noble purpose of exposing Hussein. Not just me, but hundreds maybe thousands of other American Expatriates living all over Asia and other parts of the world with Chinese or Chinese mix spouses, business partners etc etc.potentially have their lived given over to a Foreign hostile govt.  Beijing literally is jerking off at all the information they have been handed on a silver platter, they can retaliate in a hundred different ways and ruin dozens of businesses, business ventures, steal money, hack etc etc. and they can sit on this information and use it at the right time.

"the breath of the dragon covers the world" as one of our relatives is fond about saying of Beijing.

How has the USA been hurt or damaged? The very fact that Hussein allowed Snowden to pull this off has destroyed confidence in the USA, lots of Corporations in many different countries and the Govt themselves of said country don't want any part of us over this.....we know the US govt is monitoring us (Our Govt Monitor you and us as well) we know that, but you cannot insure safeguarding of such secrets that you amass when you allow the Snowdens of the world to get away with what he did and don't lift a finger to stop him.

Bejing (and of course Moscow) can continue to do subtle and overt damage to the USA in dozens of ways, leaking little bits of information gleaned from this theft to the detriment of the USA AND OUR ALLIES AND BUSINESS PARTNERS economically,  prestigeously etc etc.

INFORMATION is a very powerful weapon....In this manner Snowden is much worse an entity than the morons who leave the USA and go fight for ISIS....come to think of it, no one in our govt does anything to stop them either.

I understand, but this is assuming our enemies didn't already have it.
I believe they do, and did long before Snowden, and what Snowden gave them, if any, is merely confirmation of what they already suspected.
If someone as innocuous as a Snowden, can get to classified secrets in abundance the way he did, it's a given that the enemy already had what he took and more.

The only damage Snowden did, was to this administration, in turn exposed what the Marxists have been doing. Using the IRS in targeting political enemies of the Marxists is only the tip of the iceberg, to assume they aren't using the NSA along the same lines? Ask Sheryl Atkinson what she thinks of this administration.

There is no doubt in my mind what Snowden did was illegal, but when you consider who the Marshal is and what laws he's enforcing and against whom, Snowden did all of us a favor by exposing these Marxists in how they're gathering info on us, the American people.

To reiterate my earlier point. Why are they spying on us, while not only do they leave the door open at the border, but purposefully go out of their way to ship in Muscm from enemy nations?

Does that not strike you as even the least bit odd?

No, they are not concerned about America's historical enemy, because the enemy is now the gate keeper concerned about the American Patriot. The enemy is within
It's not the America you and I knew Billy, it all changed back in 1987 when the Marxists filled the void left in the Dim party by the fleeing moderates.

I don't expect to change your mind, but suffice it to say, this is not the country you and I grew up protecting.

Well you are right about one thing, I won't change my mind, let leave it at that. You know, I never felt like I served the Govt, I always felt i was protecting people.

How screwed up are things when it gets this damn complicated so that betraying the US Govt to a hostile foreign country is a blow for freedom.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 05, 2015, 06:06:54 PM
Well you are right about one thing, I won't change my mind, let leave it at that. You know, I never felt like I served the Govt, I always felt i was protecting people.

How screwed up are things when it gets this damn complicated so that betraying the US Govt to a hostile foreign country is a blow for freedom.

Yes, it's sad that we have an actual Marxist in the WH, and everything our govt does now, is suspect.

I have to support the comments of both Billy and Solar.  While i wouldn't want to be in the position that this mess has Billy placed in, I do think it would have wound up as such under ordinary situations with our country being led by the Muslim-in-charge (no other help). 

As far as what our government already knows,  and i do refer back to my 'sheriff's" time in the military, the government knows much more than it is willing to admit to and according to my husband, we would be more than shocked to know the details because of the panic it might trigger.  I've tried to get him to tell me what he was referring to and he has told me each time that if the time was ever expedient for him to do so, he would tell me.  I guess he was referring to certain calamaties, I dunno yet.   He still honors that oath he took some 46 years ago when he joined the AF.  As much as he hated the treatment of vets when he came out and didn't want to talk about any of his service, he now reflects on the difference that is the military now from that when he was serving-no where near the military that he remembered and now talks of with pride.   Shame on those responsible for letting our military slide out into a place that makes it less than the greatest force on earth that it has been in our lifetime.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 05, 2015, 06:06:54 PM
Well you are right about one thing, I won't change my mind, let leave it at that. You know, I never felt like I served the Govt, I always felt i was protecting people.

How screwed up are things when it gets this damn complicated so that betraying the US Govt to a hostile foreign country is a blow for freedom.

Ya know, I'm OK with them lining me up with you. (Well, everything except at the entry-door to any Bangkok nightclub. I look terrible in heels.)

Per your posts of late (not just in this thread, but overall)....

It ain't betrayal, it's an overdue course-correction. I'll reload the empty magazines. You're younger. Steadier aim.

Quote from: keyboarder on May 06, 2015, 06:51:49 AM
I have to support the comments of both Billy and Solar.  While i wouldn't want to be in the position that this mess has Billy placed in, I do think it would have wound up as such under ordinary situations with our country being led by the Muslim-in-charge (no other help). 

As far as what our government already knows,  and i do refer back to my 'sheriff's" time in the military, the government knows much more than it is willing to admit to and according to my husband, we would be more than shocked to know the details because of the panic it might trigger.  I've tried to get him to tell me what he was referring to and he has told me each time that if the time was ever expedient for him to do so, he would tell me.  I guess he was referring to certain calamaties, I dunno yet.   He still honors that oath he took some 46 years ago when he joined the AF.  As much as he hated the treatment of vets when he came out and didn't want to talk about any of his service, he now reflects on the difference that is the military now from that when he was serving-no where near the military that he remembered and now talks of with pride.   Shame on those responsible for letting our military slide out into a place that makes it less than the greatest force on earth that it has been in our lifetime.

Yep......
I don't see it as traitorous, I see it as an obligation to this great nation to expose the enemy within.
It's sad that we've fallen as far as we have, all with the help of the party we trusted and invested so much in.
This is war for our very survival.....

Quote from: quiller on May 05, 2015, 05:10:25 AM
Before fumigating, rip up every bit of the old carpet, toss out the drapes, burn any furniture not deemed historical-value, and bring in specialists to determine Obama didn't somehow damage the building's foundations --- like the Muslim Maggot did to our Constitution.

Inventory remaining property and begin proceedings to recover what they stole. (If the drapes are gone, Fat Ass just got herself a new dress.)

Maybe by Week 4 when the bomb squad and the security people finally clear the building of bugs (explosive, actual, or auditory) --- then move in from Camp David.

By then Churchill's bust and Ronnie Reagan's portrait will be back in the Oval Office. Let the new President who sees these have their faith in democracy. Let someone finally mean it (again) that the buck stops here.

And...for God'ssake, tear down all those Che Guevarra posters!

Minn. Rep. Bachmann levels the Clintons, states, "Clinton Foundation is "An International Money Laundering Ring"

No holds barred assessment of Clinton Foundation from a variety of legal specialists:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/05/michele-bachmann-clinton-foundation-is-an-international-money-laundering-ring/

No specific mention of the Uranium sale.