EPA-involvement casts the spotlight-glare on transporting oil by rail, which the Administration/Buffet don't want you to focus-on.

And CSX immediately open a community-outreach center for 'all' the victims, which gives them the excuse to control what information it wants the public to know about.  It's a 'funnel' thing, like with a mine-disaster.  Field-reporters are stifled. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 19, 2015, 03:28:33 PM
EPA-involvement casts the spotlight-glare on transporting oil by rail, which the Administration/Buffet don't want you to focus-on.

And CSX immediately open a community-outreach center for 'all' the victims, which gives them the excuse to control what information it wants the public to know about.  It's a 'funnel' thing, like with a mine-disaster.  Field-reporters are stifled.

And they are being successful. Very little news about this now. Usually the environmentalist wackos would be all over this.

Quote from: walkstall on February 16, 2015, 07:20:02 PM
Yes they do, the libs say it will mess up the environment if we add more.   

Well in their defense you have to honestly point out, that a rail car full of light oil bursting into flames, catching and burning a house to the ground, only does evironmental harm to the citizen's it displaces. And well they don't count. What really matters is that none of the oil poses a Danger to the Ohio River Valley water shed.... Yeah that's how we heard about it here in the Cincy area. From the MSM here. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 18, 2015, 09:37:13 PM
The price-per-share is now down to 35.39, actually climbing 10-cents from 3 PM.

I know nobody cares, but this is Buffet's world.  Know the enemy... even though the irony is that he's a capitalist too.  But the objective is to relieve Dems of their money, pennies-at-a-time.  That goes for Steyer, GE, Soros/Petroleum Brazil, etc.

Buffet has a magic-number for CSX's price, to do whatever he does...  I'd set my magic-number at around 34-and-a-half bucks, hoping it's higher than his (doing some research, of course), then buy and sit on it. 

On to the next bet.  The market's waiting for President Big-Mouth to veto Keystone.  It's been sitting on his desk for a week now.  -Proving he's a spineless windbag.

He doesn't HAVE to veto it, he can just let it sit on his desk forever, after so long, (traditionally ninety days I believe) it's considered that the President has 'vetoed" the bill. At which point
Congress would have to "re-pass" it again.

That said, isn't it interesting how Obama relies on American "traditions" like that, all the while attacking every "tradition" which is of benefit to the people at every turn?

Even going so far as to give aid and comfort (I believe) through use of those same "traditions" to our enemies like ISIS?

Quote from: daidalos on February 22, 2015, 12:55:01 AM
He doesn't HAVE to veto it, he can just let it sit on his desk forever, after so long, (traditionally ninety days I believe) it's considered that the President has 'vetoed" the bill. At which point
Congress would have to "re-pass" it again.

That said, isn't it interesting how Obama relies on American "traditions" like that, all the while attacking every "tradition" which is of benefit to the people at every turn?

Even going so far as to give aid and comfort (I believe) through use of those same "traditions" to our enemies like ISIS?

I believe if a president does not signed or veto a passed bill it becomes law after 10 working days.

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 22, 2015, 05:24:44 AM
I believe if a president does not signed or veto a passed bill it becomes law after 10 working days.

Correct.

Quote from: Solar on February 22, 2015, 05:44:49 AM
Correct.

What's that loudmouth waiting for??  -A red line?  All that big talk about vetoing Keystone... 


(side note... CSX-shares, now at 35.55, is Ben Stein's pick for stock of the week)

My bad... I'm just hearing that the bill is being sent to the Oval Office today.  Wtf??  It passed the Senate 2-weeks ago.  I was under the impression that bills-passed-by-both-Houses immediately get delivered to the President's desk.  What was the holdup?  It's only a bowshot or two away...  Just send some kid over.  Unbelievable.

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 24, 2015, 08:38:03 AM
My bad... I'm just hearing that the bill is being sent to the Oval Office today.  Wtf??  It passed the Senate 2-weeks ago.  I was under the impression that bills-passed-by-both-Houses immediately get delivered to the President's desk.  What was the holdup?  It's only a bowshot or two away...  Just send some kid over.  Unbelievable.

Josh Earnest said Obama will veto the bill today.

A hundred years of thousands of miles of pipeline and clearly it is safer to transport oil via pipeline, rather than rail or tractor trailors.  (it far cheaper too).  Which brings us to what this whole thing is really all about: The Libtard's Lies about Global Warming and their condemnation of fossile fuels! 

Quote from: daidalos on February 22, 2015, 12:55:01 AM
He doesn't HAVE to veto it, he can just let it sit on his desk forever, after so long, (traditionally ninety days I believe) it's considered that the President has 'vetoed" the bill. At which point
Congress would have to "re-pass" it again.

That said, isn't it interesting how Obama relies on American "traditions" like that, all the while attacking every "tradition" which is of benefit to the people at every turn?

Even going so far as to give aid and comfort (I believe) through use of those same "traditions" to our enemies like ISIS?

My goodness! Let's see if we can sort this out....

Once Congress passes a bill, it is delivered to the president for his consideration. The president has 10 days -- not counting Sundays -- to either sign the bill, making it law, or reject (veto) the bill and send it back to Congress with a statement of his objections. If he does nothing and Congress adjourns during that 10-day period, the bill is effectively vetoed without any action by the president. It's as though he had stuffed the offending bill in his pocket and refused to even look at it -- thus the term 'pocket veto.' Following a successful pocket veto, the rejected bill essentially ceases to exist, and Congress must, if it chooses to pursue the matter, start over by resubmitting it for consideration. Congress cannot vote to override a successful pocket veto.

If, however, the Congress remains in session for the 10-day period, and the president does nothing, the bill becomes law automatically at the end of the ten days, without the president's signature and without further action by Congress. Of course, both the House and the Senate have crafted procedures by which the Congress is NEVER deemed to be out of session for the purpose of receiving vetoes, meaning the door's always open and the lights are on and somebody's minding the store 24/7 if there's legislation pending the president's approval. Pocket vetoes are relatively rare; only two have taken place in the past 22 years.

It's worth noting again (I've written about this before) that the Kenyan has been forced to use his veto power only twice in six years. That's not a reflection of peace and harmony between the White House and Capitol Hill. Rather, it's a stark indicator of how effective Hairy Weed has been in bottling up legislation and essentially preventing the Kenyan from having to even consider vetoing anything. Both of the Kenyan's vetoes were attached to bills passed by the 111^th Congress, both houses of which were controlled by Democrats, led by Nancy Pelosi and Hairy Weed, who had a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority to work with. After the devastating losses in the 2010 mid-terms, and the loss of the House majority to Republicans, Weed simply stopped allowing legislation to get through the Senate. Since the House cannot, on its own, send legislation to the White House, everything stopped, and the Kenyan was spared the indignity of having to actually do his job, and possibly appear to be obstructing the people's business.

UPDATE!!! As I am writing this, the Kenyan vetoed a bill aimed at approving the construction of the remaining portion of the Keystone XL pipeline. That upped his total number of vetoes by 50%, from two to three! He's still just a tad short of his New Deal idol's tally -- 635 vetoes over twelve years. Only three other presidents have issued fewer vetoes over six years in office: George Washington (two in eight years), Thomas Jefferson (none in eight years) and James Monroe (one in eight years). In other words, no president since 1825 has issued fewer vetoes -- or been bothered with the prospect fewer times -- than the Kenyan.

 I am a former Locomotive Engineer (Southern Pacific/Union Pacific) and can tell you from experience that the oil trains will keep on rolling, no matter what. Politicians often serve on the BOD, thus have an inside seat on decision making.  It takes an act of God to force railroads to change, unfortunately.  The problem is (at least with the U.P.)  track maintenance. U.P.  tends to work on a shoestring budget and are often short handed re track and train  crews. The train crews are on call 24/7 with little rest between trips.
  Additionally, the rail contracts in cold weather, expands in hot weather. When it contracts, it can break or crack. When it expands, it can kink.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtamaryland/6150457610/

  If the rail cracks/breaks, the rail may continue to touch, therefore the sensors won't catch it and the signals remain green. So, the train crews have no clue theres a problem, rolls right over it and can cause a derailment. Same with sun kinks. I was running a train from De Rio to San Antonio one summer, went over a sun kink and two rear cars derailed. We were lucky the entire train didn't come off the track.   
  Anyway, here is an article  that discusses towns and safety:

    http://crosscut.com/2015/02/oil-trains-cities-safe/

Quote from: kathy s. on February 27, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
I am a former Locomotive Engineer (Southern Pacific/Union Pacific) and can tell you from experience that the oil trains will keep on rolling, no matter what. Politicians often serve on the BOD, thus have an inside seat on decision making.  It takes an act of God to force railroads to change, unfortunately.  The problem is (at least with the U.P.)  track maintenance. U.P.  tends to work on a shoestring budget and are often short handed re track and train  crews. The train crews are on call 24/7 with little rest between trips.
  Additionally, the rail contracts in cold weather, expands in hot weather. When it contracts, it can break or crack. When it expands, it can kink.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtamaryland/6150457610/

  If the rail cracks/breaks, the rail may continue to touch, therefore the sensors won't catch it and the signals remain green. So, the train crews have no clue theres a problem, rolls right over it and can cause a derailment. Same with sun kinks. I was running a train from De Rio to San Antonio one summer, went over a sun kink and two rear cars derailed. We were lucky the entire train didn't come off the track.   
  Anyway, here is an article  that discusses towns and safety:

    http://crosscut.com/2015/02/oil-trains-cities-safe/

You lived my childhood dream as an engineer.

Good info. I still say rail is probably one of the most vulnerable areas in our transportation infrastructure, more so than ships and dock terminals, simply because there is no way to guard millions of miles of track.

I agree. When I first began running trains, the illegals hitching a ride on the rear units were friendly; they were often seeking work or helping a sick relative get better medical treatment in America. Yes, we paid for it since they would go to the emergency room, but that's another topic. Anyway, as years passed, the attitude of those riding trains began to shift and the Border Patrol insisted on walking my engines with me if I was picking up a train out of Del Rio, Eagle Pass, or Loredo. The riders were cartel members, or generally up to no good. Additionally, we were not allowed to carry weapons, yet the doors on the engines   were not equipped with locks. Sitting ducks, basically.  Needless to say, many of us took our chances and carried some sort of weapon in our grip (travel bag). These days, most locomotives are equipped with inward facing cameras. I'm happy I'm not out there any longer. Loved the job but hated U.P. management practices. The S.P. managers were hired out as switchmen, and later became conductors or engineers. They knew what it takes to move trains. The U.P. hires college grads who have never turned a wheel, and it shows. 

Quote from: kathy s. on February 27, 2015, 02:21:04 PM
I agree. When I first began running trains, the illegals hitching a ride on the rear units were friendly; they were often seeking work or helping a sick relative get better medical treatment in America. Yes, we paid for it since they would go to the emergency room, but that's another topic. Anyway, as years passed, the attitude of those riding trains began to shift and the Border Patrol insisted on walking my engines with me if I was picking up a train out of Del Rio, Eagle Pass, or Loredo. The riders were cartel members, or generally up to no good. Additionally, we were not allowed to carry weapons, yet the doors on the engines   were not equipped with locks. Sitting ducks, basically.  Needless to say, many of us took our chances and carried some sort of weapon in our grip (travel bag). These days, most locomotives are equipped with inward facing cameras. I'm happy I'm not out there any longer. Loved the job but hated U.P. management practices. The S.P. managers were hired out as switchmen, and later became conductors or engineers. They knew what it takes to move trains. The U.P. hires college grads who have never turned a wheel, and it shows.

Impressive Kathy and welcome aboard our forum!