Trade War

Started by Solar, May 10, 2019, 07:41:51 AM

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Quote from: s3779m on December 03, 2019, 02:13:18 PM
And now it looks like Trump is willing to wait until after the election to do a trade deal. That should hit China like a ton of bricks, their best chance at a good deal for them is now gone. So here's a quick question, who is less smart, China or France?

He has been completely mind-fucking China.  "Let's do it... we're almost there...  just a little more....  I'm optimistic....  Xi is a friend of mine... this is happening...  NOPE! Wait until after the election!".

I think France is less smart, because they _can_ make changes.  China has such an uphill climb, and they can't and won't relax on their communist stronghold, and their entire existence is dependent on a central-planned economy that is too dependent on others for goods.  The smart reformers in China who know this is a dead end are ultimately powerless.
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Quote from: taxed on December 04, 2019, 12:50:26 AM
He has been completely mind-fucking China.  "Let's do it... we're almost there...  just a little more....  I'm optimistic....  Xi is a friend of mine... this is happening...  NOPE! Wait until after the election!".

I think France is less smart, because they _can_ make changes.  China has such an uphill climb, and they can't and won't relax on their communist stronghold, and their entire existence is dependent on a central-planned economy that is too dependent on others for goods.  The smart reformers in China who know this is a dead end are ultimately powerless.
I'm sooo loving this! The entire world thinks Trump wants a deal, the Chinese keep giving ground, but refuse to give up and agree to abide by a binding agreement backed by law with teeth.
Trump keeps stroking Xi, claiming we're close but more work needs to be done, so the Chinese goo back and give up more and just when it looks like they can come to an agreement, Trump backs Hong Kong Freedoms.
Think of this like a banquet and an exquisite desert in on display in the middle of the table. France is that single fly buzzing over the desert.
Trump just swatted that damn fly.
France came to the table offering absolutely nothing, wanting everything in return. WTF did they expect to happen?
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Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2019, 06:20:52 AM
I'm sooo loving this! The entire world thinks Trump wants a deal, the Chinese keep giving ground, but refuse to give up and agree to abide by a binding agreement backed by law with teeth.
Trump keeps stroking Xi, claiming we're close but more work needs to be done, so the Chinese goo back and give up more and just when it looks like they can come to an agreement, Trump backs Hong Kong Freedoms.
Think of this like a banquet and an exquisite desert in on display in the middle of the table. France is that single fly buzzing over the desert.
Trump just swatted that damn fly.
France came to the table offering absolutely nothing, wanting everything in return. WTF did they expect to happen?
Here's a wild ass guess, I don't think Trump wants a deal with china. There are several countries who can take the place of china for supplying cheap labor who would be a lot more honest to deal with. Now the business side of Trump probably would not turn down a great deal if it was in our best interest, but the patriot side of Trump probably would piece meal  any deal just to keep china honest.

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Quote from: s3779m on December 04, 2019, 01:39:19 PM
Here's a wild ass guess, I don't think Trump wants a deal with china. There are several countries who can take the place of china for supplying cheap labor who would be a lot more honest to deal with. Now the business side of Trump probably would not turn down a great deal if it was in our best interest, but the patriot side of Trump probably would piece meal  any deal just to keep china honest.
Here's how I see it. Trump is a Patriot, he despises communism. Like Reagan, he too wants to crush it. So China hasn't a prayer in Hell of getting any deal, sure, there will be some concessions, but Trump said China has been ripping us off for decades and he will bring an end to it. So China has a Hell of a cliff to climb just to meet Trump halfway.
The other side of the coin is a peaceful India, a billion plus people and burgeoning economy just waiting to take off. Say good bye to China, they will be just a blip in history.
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Quote from: s3779m on December 04, 2019, 01:39:19 PM
Here's a wild ass guess, I don't think Trump wants a deal with china. There are several countries who can take the place of china for supplying cheap labor who would be a lot more honest to deal with. Now the business side of Trump probably would not turn down a great deal if it was in our best interest, but the patriot side of Trump probably would piece meal  any deal just to keep china honest.

I totally agree!!!!

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Music to our ears...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china/china-maintains-tariffs-must-be-reduced-for-phase-one-trade-deal-with-u-s-idUSKBN1Y90P7

QuoteBEIJING (Reuters) - Tariffs must be cut if China and the United States are to reach an interim agreement on trade, the Chinese commerce ministry said on Thursday, sticking to its stance that some U.S. tariffs must be rolled back for a phase one deal.
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Tariffs are the way to go. I've been saying it for 10 years+

I did sell AKS too soon, they may go up to $3.40

I still has some "portfolio diversification" though

Just waiting on the next real thing to invest in.


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Quote from: MRogersNhood on December 08, 2019, 03:40:59 PM
Tariffs are the way to go. I've been saying it for 10 years+

I did sell AKS too soon, they may go up to $3.40

I still has some "portfolio diversification" though

Just waiting on the next real thing to invest in.

Tariffs themselves aren't necessarily the "way to go"; it's how they're used as a tool to create leverage, which Trump does like Da Vinci used a paint brush.
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No shit...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/10/china-steps-up-us-soybean-purchases-as-trade-talks-drag-on.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

QuoteChina is buying more U.S. soybeans, as both countries try to reach an initial agreement on trade.

Between September and November this year, Chinese imports of American soybeans increased 13 times from the same period last year, according to Xiaoping Zhang, Greater China Regional Director for the U.S. Soybean Export Council. That's based on analysis of Chinese and U.S. data.

U.S. soybean exports to China dropped off sharply in the second half of last year after Beijing retaliated to U.S. tariffs with its own duties.

As a result, all Chinese purchases of U.S. soybeans this year occurred through specific arrangements, outside normal trade channels that would otherwise subject the imports to retaliatory tariffs of about 30%, Zhang said in a phone interview Monday.
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How will small business ever continue without China?

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/small-business-optimism-surges-plans-raise-worker-compensation-soar-most-30-years

QuoteSmall Business Optimism Surges As Plans To Raise Worker Compensation Soar Most In 30 Years



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Quote from: taxed on December 10, 2019, 07:59:05 AM
How will small business ever continue without China?

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/small-business-optimism-surges-plans-raise-worker-compensation-soar-most-30-years



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Never been better! Without China? Things can only improve.
Large corps were the ones screwing the little guy with their massive buying power of Cheap Chinese shit, in turn forcing out the little guy.
Killing off the China connection is the shot in the arm small business needed to compete.
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Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2019, 09:02:37 AM


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Never been better! Without China? Things can only improve.
Large corps were the ones screwing the little guy with their massive buying power of Cheap Chinese shit, in turn forcing out the little guy.
Killing off the China connection is the shot in the arm small business needed to compete.

Absolutely.  In a free market, the little guys will pop back up.  I'm really excited about that.
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Quote from: taxed on December 10, 2019, 09:09:53 AM
Absolutely.  In a free market, the little guys will pop back up.  I'm really excited about that.
Yep, while the Walmarts/Targets etc have to create new suppliers, the little guy will find other little guys willing to do the work.
Man, the real boom has yet to start.
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