Author Topic: Top Conservative Publication: Shooting Occurred Because Women Ran The School  (Read 2284 times)

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I don't feel that old (I tell everyone I'm 25), but I guess I am.  There's a lot of truth to that article but political correctness keep people from saying what most reasonable people know in their heart.

Growing up, I had both male and female teachers, but the principle was always a male.  I couldn't even imagine a female principle.  I have no idea if they even existed in my school days, but I never heard of one.  There is something to having a male authority figure in a school and I think that should be a male role.  I also think the principle should have a gun and be well trained in using it.  Every school should have someone well trained for these incidents.

As they say, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."  Police, for the most part, only write up reports AFTER the crime has been committed.  Disarming the population is the dumbest thing a culture can do.

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That was not what she claimed, that is the BS Thinkprogress is spewing.
Go back and read the entire article, not just the part I posted, then hit NRO for the full article.

The reason I posted this was to expose the lib bias in everything they do.

Alright. I'll go back and read it. I might be wrong.

As a sidenote: Today I was thinking about the obsession of the left, on the size of the magazine and how many rounds it holds.

I'm sure that the idiots have no idea that they are encouraging these coward killers to switch to sniper rifles. :mad:


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I don't feel that old (I tell everyone I'm 25), but I guess I am.  There's a lot of truth to that article but political correctness keep people from saying what most reasonable people know in their heart.

Growing up, I had both male and female teachers, but the principle was always a male.  I couldn't even imagine a female principle.  I have no idea if they even existed in my school days, but I never heard of one.  There is something to having a male authority figure in a school and I think that should be a male role.  I also think the principle should have a gun and be well trained in using it.  Every school should have someone well trained for these incidents.

As they say, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."  Police, for the most part, only write up reports AFTER the crime has been committed.  Disarming the population is the dumbest thing a culture can do.
I agree.
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The conservative piece is complete bullshit.

My daughter's preschool/kindergarten is run by all women, and quite frankly, I'd wonder about a man that wanted to work in that atmosphere. Men that like to be around little kids don't exactly have a stellar record.

Yeah right. A janitor would have taken out the killer, with a bucket. Sounds to me like the idiot has been watching too many Steven Segal movies. :mad:
It's BS like this that makes conservatives look like misogynists. It just gives the left that broad brush they love to use.:angry:

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In my day, I knew some nuns who would have taken that bushmaster (and any other weapon he had) and shoved it up that little twerps ass!

Just sayin'...
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That was not what she claimed, that is the BS Thinkprogress is spewing.
Go back and read the entire article, not just the part I posted, then hit NRO for the full article.

The reason I posted this was to expose the lib bias in everything they do.

Alright, I read the NRO article. Charlotte has a lot of faith in men, and husky 12 year old boys, to go after a crazed shooter, while unarmed. I still think she's being completely unrealistic.

In addition, she has downplayed the bravery on the part of the principle and the other teachers, and implied that the mere presence of a male would have stopped it. Like I said, she has provided ammo to the left.

If we go back through these mass shootings, (Virginia Tech, Gabby Giffford, the mall, the theater), there were men at all of them.........and it didn't change things. Comparing this to stopping the guys on a plane, with box cutters, is completely out of line. If her theory were correct, the Fort Hood shootings should have been stopped as soon as they started. We had 46 casualties and 12 murdered soldiers in the end. :sad:

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Alright, I read the NRO article. Charlotte has a lot of faith in men, and husky 12 year old boys, to go after a crazed shooter, while unarmed. I still think she's being completely unrealistic.

In addition, she has downplayed the bravery on the part of the principle and the other teachers, and implied that the mere presence of a male would have stopped it. Like I said, she has provided ammo to the left.

If we go back through these mass shootings, (Virginia Tech, Gabby Giffford, the mall, the theater), there were men at all of them.........and it didn't change things. Comparing this to stopping the guys on a plane, with box cutters, is completely out of line. If her theory were correct, the Fort Hood shootings should have been stopped as soon as they started. We had 46 casualties and 12 murdered soldiers in the end. :sad:
In basically a gun free zone.

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In basically a gun free zone.

Right. The mall shooter offed himself when a person with a legal concealed weapon, pulled it out. Not reported.

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Alright, I read the NRO article. Charlotte has a lot of faith in men, and husky 12 year old boys, to go after a crazed shooter, while unarmed. I still think she's being completely unrealistic.

In addition, she has downplayed the bravery on the part of the principle and the other teachers, and implied that the mere presence of a male would have stopped it. Like I said, she has provided ammo to the left.

If we go back through these mass shootings, (Virginia Tech, Gabby Giffford, the mall, the theater), there were men at all of them.........and it didn't change things. Comparing this to stopping the guys on a plane, with box cutters, is completely out of line. If her theory were correct, the Fort Hood shootings should have been stopped as soon as they started. We had 46 casualties and 12 murdered soldiers in the end. :sad:
Seriously, Giffords incident?
I suggest you read up on how it was stopped.
Your mention of it, completely supports my point.
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Seriously, Giffords incident?
I suggest you read up on how it was stopped.
Your mention of it, completely supports my point.

Really? I know you hate wiki, but this is the quick rundown.

 A nearby store employee said he heard "15 to 20 gunshots".[23] Loughner stopped to reload, but dropped the loaded magazine from his pocket to the sidewalk, from where bystander Patricia Maisch grabbed it.[24] Another bystander clubbed the back of the assailant's head with a folding chair, injuring his elbow in the process, representing the 14th injury.[25] The gunman was then tackled to the ground by 74-year-old retired US Army Colonel Bill Badger,[26] who himself had been shot, and was further subdued by Maisch and bystanders Roger Sulzgeber and Joseph Zamudio. Zamudio was a CCW holder and had a weapon on his person, but arrived after the shooting had stopped and did not use the firearm to engage or threaten the gunman.

It looks like a collaborative effort to me................or do we ignore what Maisch did, and say that men saved the day?

When it comes to kids, we can look anywhere in nature, (including humans), and see that the female response, (when the young are threatened), is anything but timid and meek. Go mess with some little bear cubs, and see who comes to stop you. :wink:

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Really? I know you hate wiki, but this is the quick rundown.

 A nearby store employee said he heard "15 to 20 gunshots".[23] Loughner stopped to reload, but dropped the loaded magazine from his pocket to the sidewalk, from where bystander Patricia Maisch grabbed it.[24] Another bystander clubbed the back of the assailant's head with a folding chair, injuring his elbow in the process, representing the 14th injury.[25] The gunman was then tackled to the ground by 74-year-old retired US Army Colonel Bill Badger,[26] who himself had been shot, and was further subdued by Maisch and bystanders Roger Sulzgeber and Joseph Zamudio. Zamudio was a CCW holder and had a weapon on his person, but arrived after the shooting had stopped and did not use the firearm to engage or threaten the gunman.

It looks like a collaborative effort to me................or do we ignore what Maisch did, and say that men saved the day?

When it comes to kids, we can look anywhere in nature, (including humans), and see that the female response, (when the young are threatened), is anything but timid and meek. Go mess with some little bear cubs, and see who comes to stop you. :wink:
He had another clip, but was stopped before he could continue.
There were people in trhe area that were armed, but it happened so quickly and so much confusion, no one could get off a shot.
But thanks to one man with balls, he was subdued.
Yeah, it still makes my case.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I've been in situations that require quick thinking and putting your own life at risk, and never once considered my own safety, it's how I was raised, to be a man first.
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He had another clip, but was stopped before he could continue.
There were people in trhe area that were armed, but it happened so quickly and so much confusion, no one could get off a shot.
But thanks to one man with balls, he was subdued.
Yeah, it still makes my case.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I've been in situations that require quick thinking and putting your own life at risk, and never once considered my own safety, it's how I was raised, to be a man first.

So we are ignoring the fact that Patricia Maisch both grabbed his loaded clip, and also jumped on top of him. Got it.

Was she raised as a man?

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So we are ignoring the fact that Patricia Maisch both grabbed his loaded clip, and also jumped on top of him. Got it.

Was she raised as a man?
She joined after the fact, before that, she was cowering and feigning death.
It was a 70+ year old veteran that made the tackle.

Like I said before, I can't judge others based on what I know for a fact I would do, and I have three commendations from local police and sheriff depts. to prove it, all as a civilian.
From subduing two armed robbers in different years, to saving children, it's how I was raised, to be a man first.
And I wasn't even armed.

How many women do you know that were raised to think like a man?
There are clear distinctions in the sex, one that is undeniable.
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She joined after the fact, before that, she was cowering and feigning death.
It was a 70+ year old veteran that made the tackle.

Like I said before, I can't judge others based on what I know for a fact I would do, and I have three commendations from local police and sheriff depts. to prove it, all as a civilian.
From subduing two armed robbers in different years, to saving children, it's how I was raised, to be a man first.
And I wasn't even armed.

How many women do you know that were raised to think like a man?
There are clear distinctions in the sex, one that is undeniable.


Okay. One 70 year old veteran jumped on him. Hardly proof that any man would have done the same.

Back to the school shootings. The author is talking, like having women dominate the teaching profession is something relatively new. It's not at all.

http://www.wakingbear.com/archives/a-history-of-teaching-in-america-as-told-by-those-who-know.html

She also presupposes that just because a person is male, that they are mentally and physically prepared to take on a killer with a gun. I disagree. You are prior military, and would probably handle the situation differently than most men. I'm not saying that most men are cowards, but I don't think that most men have a natural instinct to know how to deal with an armed murderer.

I don't. I'd die trying to protect the kids, but if I was able to successfully subdue a guy that was shooting at me, it would be shit luck, not because of a particular skill set.

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....so what about all of the other school shootings where men were present? Columbine actually had armed staff. The idea that it was the lack of men present that contributed to the killings doesn't hold water.

 

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