Trump choosing Sessions to be AG was the biggest mistake he made. Never take a person from congress when the margin 2 votes no matter how safe the seat  may appear. On top of that, Sessions has disappeared and the DOJ is being run by Obama leftovers.

Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 07:52:05 PM
Would yall like to hear the analysis of a lifelong Alabama native - The underlying facts on the ground?

Let's hear it...

We can thank the fools who wrote in someone else. 10,000 vote  margin and 22,000 write-ins and  i have  no doubt those were dumbass reps voting write-in.

Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
It sounds like the turnout was low for Moore, if I'm seeing correctly....

Very true, even though 2016 was a presidential election year, so turnout would be higher than now Shelby got 1,335,000 votes and his Opponent got  748,000.  Moore will get about 635,000 which is less than half Shelby's vote while Jones will end up with about 655,000 less than 100,000 less.

Moore - 700,000 and Jones only -100,000 from 2016

Now an 8000 vote margin with 22,259 idiot write-ins.

Alright, buckle up... 

As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...

And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat...  Now for the facts...

1)  Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd...  He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge...  This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office...  As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches...  This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.

2)  Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this...  Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare...  Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job...  He is much liked in the state and has served us well... 

3)  The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's... 

4)  During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates...  Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...

5)  Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man...  He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat...  The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG...  But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...

Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held...  Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...

6)  Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...

In the end, the percentages fell like this:  Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...

Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot...  So you can thank Mo for sucking enough votes off to give the nomination to Moore...

And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature...  And politics...

Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites...  One wonders what his end game was in this...  To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat?  Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach?  I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate...  But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...

And then there is the question of Moore's female accusers...  I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true... 

The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat... 

If it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem...  There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics...  So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is...  The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO...  Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...

And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic...  And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...

Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Alright, buckle up... 

As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...

And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat...  Now for the facts...

1)  Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd...  He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge...  This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office...  As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches...  This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.

2)  Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this...  Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare...  Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job...  He is much liked in the state and has served us well... 

3)  The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's... 

4)  During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates...  Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...

5)  Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man...  He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat...  The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG...  But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...

Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held...  Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...

6)  Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...

In the end, the percentages fell like this:  Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...

Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot...  And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature...  And politics...

Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites...  One wonders what his end game was in this...  To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat?  Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach?  I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate...  But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...

And then there is the question of Moore's female accusers...  I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true... 

The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat... 

If it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem...  There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics...  So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is...  The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO...  Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...

And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic...  And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...

Alot of what you say is reasonable but i think Jones will be quite strategic  in his  voting.

Well anything's possible, but don't hold your breath...  He may try to look like an Alabamian for a few weeks, but he'll vote like a good liberal Democrat when the serious votes come up...  Don't forget he has his own constituency of Democrats here he has to pander to - Black race baiters, lefty professors at the state universities, and the like...  Can't anger them just to hold the seat...

We'll just have to lick our wounds and hope that some solid conservative candidates will shoot down some of these Dems who represent states that voted for Trump...  Many of them are in trouble at home, so unless McConnell and the boys manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (and they are certainly capable in their arrogance, cowardice, and idiocy) we might just make Doug Jones irrelevant...  And hopefully he'll prove to be an embarrassment to my beloved state and will be short-lived...

I continue to encourage all my friends here to have hope, pray for our President (they are coming for him), and remember that Jesus Christ controls human history despite our foolishness...

Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Alright, buckle up... 

As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...

And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat...  Now for the facts...

1)  Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd...  He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge...  This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office...  As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches...  This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.

2)  Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this...  Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare...  Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job...  He is much liked in the state and has served us well... 

3)  The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's... 

4)  During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates...  Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...

5)  Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man...  He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat...  The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG...  But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...

Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held...  Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...

6)  Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...

In the end, the percentages fell like this:  Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...

Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot...  So you can thank Mo for sucking enough votes off to give the nomination to Moore...

And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature...  And politics...

Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites...  One wonders what his end game was in this...  To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat?  Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach?  I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate...  But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...

And then there is the question of Moore's female accusers...  I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true... 

The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat... 

If it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem...  There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics...  So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is...  The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO...  Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...

And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic...  And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...

Very interesting....

The seat is up again in 2018, right?

I have no doubt they'll find a minimum 1% DNC fraudulent ballots, so go for it Roy.


Moore refuses to concede Alabama Senate race

Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore (R) refused to concede the special election Tuesday night after multiple media outlets called the race in favor of his Democratic opponent, Doug Jones.

"At this point, we do not have a final decision on the outcome tonight," Moore's campaign chairman Bill Armistead told supporters.

"When the vote is this close, it is not over," Moore said.
Alabama state law requires an automatic recount when election results are within 0.5 percent.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Jones holds 49.9 percent of the vote, compared to Moore's 48.4 percent, a 1.5 percent gap.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/364617-moore-refuses-to-concede-alabama-senate-race

A one vote margin in the Senate virtually guarantees a likely hard stop to most legislative goals of Donald Trump in the Senate. With people like Flake, Murkowski, McCain, Collins, Corker, Graham et al, a single vote lost will result in a tie where Pence has to make a decision and if two turncoats  switch would doom the legislation and any SCOTUS nominees (as well as federal judgeships) because Dems are socialists and will vote as a unit. Disastrous day for the Trump agenda and for Republican independent thinkers but a great one for the Dems and party establishment run by Mitch McConnell. We are headed down a dangerous road folks and will be a disaster if (I think it likely now) the Dems win the House and possibly even the Senate in 2018. Jones will not be seated until Jan 26th so they have very little time to get anything enacted, perhaps for years to come

Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 12, 2017, 07:35:44 PM
It's for the best

If Moore won he was damaged goods. No matter if he is innocent. Enough GOP senators said they didn't want him so he really couldn't be very effective in congress. If he won Franken would not leave. The dam is about to break on all the predators in congress. If most of them are democrats it would be hard for republicans to justify calling for their resignation with Moore in the senate. Guilty or not he would be a PR nightmare. If the GOP puts up a good candidate Jones will be a out after one term.

This was the problem. The GOP in AL fumbled this sure win from when Strange was appointed. I can't believe they could not find a good, solid conservative without baggage. The good news is the term is only for two years as it is just filling Sessions; seat.

Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Alright, buckle up... 

As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...

And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat...  Now for the facts...

1)  Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd...  He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge...  This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office...  As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches...  This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.

I'm not attacking you, just qualifying and clarifying some points.

There is no such clause as separation of Church and State, that's a leftist talking point.
Read the First Amendment and tell me what entity is being banned from interfering with Speech and Religion.
Just because the gop'E pandered to the left in conceding much of our culture over the decades, in no way changes the Bill of Rights true meaning.
Sorry, just wanted to clarify the point for our readers, but you're still entitled to your opinion.

Quote2)  Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this...  Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare...  Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job...  He is much liked in the state and has served us well... 

3)  The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's... 

4)  During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates...  Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...

In truth, Strange was the Con's boy, because he never once refuted or refused the RINO' support, which to anyone, is the curse of death.
Who knows, maybe McCon-nel knew that and wanted Jones to win by picking a favorite.
Just think if ISIS and the Ayatollah had backed Trump, would that have been considered helpful in any way?
Just tossing it out there, because truth is, the Con is the most despised individual in Congress, and that includes Schumer and Fuglosi.
McCON didn't just back Strange, he refused to fund Moores campaign

Quote5)  Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man...  He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat...  The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG...  But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...

Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held...  Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...

6)  Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...

In the end, the percentages fell like this:  Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...

Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot...  So you can thank Mo for sucking enough votes off to give the nomination to Moore...

And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature...  And politics...

Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites...  One wonders what his end game was in this...  To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat?  Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach?  I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate...  But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...

All a bunch of RINO, many of which have already announced retirement because they see the internal numbers and know they are on their way out, so they sided with  the little Marxist Leadership in going against Moore.

QuoteAnd then there is the question of Moore's female accusers...  I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true... 

The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat... 

That, and no doubt fraud on the part of the left, there's always been historically 10% minimum fraud in every election by the left, but scum like McCON refuse to go after it.
Remember all those arrested and jailed in the IRS/TEA scandal?

QuoteIf it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem...  There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics...  So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is...  The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO...  Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...

And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic...  And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...

Agree, and if anything, either stayed home or wrote in another name.

But I'm going with fraud as a deciding factor.

Oh, and you are correct about Strange, he's a solid Conservative, which I can't help but think the McCON knew his endorsement was on par with that of the GrimmReaper.
Let's face it, McCON loved being in the minority, because he could always claim "We just don't have the numbers", and now that he has them?
He votes like a Marxist Dim. So yeah, he supported Strange so as to kill any chance of retaining the seat.

I know it sounds far fetched and conspiratorial, but this is a Leftist sellout we're talking about here, a man watching his life's work as an Establishment whore, collapse in a pile of excrement all around him.

For all I know, you may be spot on, I just wanted to give a differing perspective on the matter. So thanks for taking the time to give your analysys.

Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 09:18:29 PM
Very interesting....

The seat is up again in 2018, right?

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