Alabaman's go to the polls today to pick their leadership.
In a normal race, the divide would fall along party lines, this one, however, is about leftist power across the board.
People won't be necessarily voting for a Pub or a liberal, but who controls the state ideology.
If The Dim were to win, the gop'Establishment wins because it has more in common with the left than it does with the values of the American constituency.
Of course, on the obverse, if Moore wins, it sends a referendum to McCon's leftist leadership, that Alabama wants no part of his anti-American agenda.
So ask yourself when considering Moore or the Establishments choice in a Dim opponent, which side shows Principle?
Here's a brief description of the word Principle.
Point is, this election isn't about party, it's about principle:
A basic generalization that is accepted as true and that can be used as a basis for reasoning or conduct.
Rule or standard especially of good behavior.
Basic truth, law or assumption.
A rule concerning natural law or the function of a complex system.
Rule of personal conduct.
Critical thought, (law) the fundamental reasons or logic behind something; the justification for something.
So who do you think will win in this race between a Conservative and the entire Leftist Establishment?
Quote from: Solar on December 12, 2017, 07:41:00 AM
So who do you think will win in this race between a Conservative and the entire Leftist Establishment?
I am thinking Moore in a close vote. Many on the left will just not go to the polls.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 12, 2017, 08:17:23 AM
I am thinking Moore in a close vote. Many on the left will just not go to the polls.
Considering midterm lib turnout, and this being a special election in a solidly Red State, I don't see all that much of a protest vote.
Granted, fraud and felons voting, that is. :biggrin:
with absolutely nothing to go on, no insiders, no polling - just a gut feeling.
Moore wins easily. I hope people are totally turned off by the huge influx of out-of-state-money and as a protest, "I'll show those Californian & SOROS SOBS ...", pull the lever for Moore.
Reality.... who the heck knows. I just want to see someone who outspends Moore by 14:1 lose everything, that would be sweet!
If you ignore FOX, an arm of the Establishment and Wapo, an arm of the DNC, Moore nails the election, and that's from notably leftist media polling.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html
Here's 2008 returns, before TEA.
Republican Jeff Sessions (Incumbent) 1,305,383 63.36%
Democratic Vivian Figures 752,391 36.52%
(https://d1k5w7mbrh6vq5.cloudfront.net/images/cache/3d/68/de/3d68de3dd083d53d543ceb454f39a54a.png)
I wish I was as confident as some of you. Turnout is reportedly heavy during the morning voting and that does not bode well for Moore IMO
Quote from: MichaelJ on December 12, 2017, 01:40:16 PM
I wish I was as confident as some of you. Turnout is reportedly heavy during the morning voting and that does not bode well for Moore IMO
Here ya go.
(https://www.mapsofworld.com/elections/usa/results/maps/alabama.jpg)
How Alabama voted in the 2016 election
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I also think that Moore will win but i'm not sure about the percentage. The state is just too red for these (as of yet) unproved allegations to cause vast amounts of Alabama voters to turn to the leftist candidate. I also think that some of these accusers have jumped on the wagon hoping for their 15 minutes of fame in the spotlight. It's the same with the victim brigade accusing Trump.
Jones has nothing in common with the people of Alabama, why would they vote for him? If he wins, it will be because the conservatives stayed away, not because they chose Jones.
One thing we can be SURE of. Not a single person will follow up and file any charges AFTER the election. Which says what it's all about.
I'm gonna guess,
Moore 45%
Jones 40%
Write in 15%
based on nothing at all...
Quote from: s3779m on December 12, 2017, 03:17:08 PM
Jones has nothing in common with the people of Alabama, why would they vote for him? If he wins, it will be because the conservatives stayed away, not because they chose Jones.
Exactly. Lates polling I saw on undecided Conservatives was a mere 9%, but what other option do they have?
To give everyone an idea of what we can expect in an outcome? look at the final outcome between Moore, Strange, and Doug and the rest of the field.
Assuming the turn out is even close to the same number of voters back in August, split along party lines. Moore nails it.
Pub total 386782
Dim total 149425
Roy Moore 164,524 38.9% Luther Strange* 138,971 32.8 Mo Brooks 83,287 19.7 Trip Pittman 29,124 6.9
Doug Jones 109,105 66.1% Robert Kennedy 29,215 17.7 Michael Hansen 11,105 6.7 Will Boyd 8,010 4.9
Live Ticker
https://www.politico.com/interactives/elections/2017/alabama/special-election/dec-12/
Quote from: Hoofer on December 12, 2017, 03:33:58 PM
One thing we can be SURE of. Not a single person will follow up and file any charges AFTER the election. Which says what it's all about.
I'm gonna guess,
Moore 45%
Jones 40%
Write in 15%
based on nothing at all...
LOL that is a good as a poll vote.
Looks like Moore has won.
So after all the cash the Dems poured in, including Soros and Hussein, the GOP first dropping him before picking him back up again, and the McConnell machine going against him, and the fake news with their go-to Gloria Allred, he still wins by a decent chunk?
+7.4 with 60% in.
http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/chooseCounty.aspx?ecode=1000915
http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915
Not looking all that good now. less than 1% difference with most votes left in heav minority areas.
Based on whats left to come in i think Jones is going to win.
Moore only ahead by 4700 now.
The 3 largest counties, all heavily minority are where almost all the votes are left and only half the vote is in there. Very few Moore precicnts left.
Quote from: ldub23 on December 12, 2017, 07:14:52 PM
The 3 largest counties, all heavily minority are where almost all the votes are left and only half the vote is in there. Very few Moore precicnts left.
Oh wow... just saw it's tied...
All tied. Jones will likely win by 35,000.
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:15:30 PM
Oh wow... just saw it's tied...
Jefferson county 122 of 172 precincts in and jones it taking 76% of the vote. Jones now ahead and will pull away. I guess we will see what 2018 will be like.
48/99 in montgomery county and jones is taking 73%
Hard to fathom Alabama voters wanted Hillary Clinton representing them in the senate. W il be interesting to see how Jones votes until he is up for re-electon.
Jones declared the winner.
NYT calls it for Jones.
Well, the people of Alabama have spoken.
Doesn't look good for Moore with a few lib counties left to finish counting, Jones could pull a 1% lead in the end..
I'm shocked at the results, I guess the Dims getting out the convict vote paid off.
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:25:37 PM
NYT calls it for Jones.
Well, the people of Alabama have spoken.
And rather stupidly. I guess they didnt care that congress going to the dems in 2018 will be a disaster.
Congratulations to Mitch McConnell. You pulled it out.
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:30:10 PM
Congratulations to Mitch McConnell. You pulled it out.
That's the worst part of all, the Con helped the Dim win.
Quote from: Solar on December 12, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
That's the worst part of all, the Con helped the Dim win.
It sounds like the turnout was low for Moore, if I'm seeing correctly....
Will be interesting to see how this effects the tax bill in the senate. Will they get scared and not pass it, or water it down even more to be meaningless. Jones is imediately seated since it a special election so now dems just need to flip 2 rep votes and that is very possible.
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
It sounds like the turnout was low for Moore, if I'm seeing correctly....
And the left was unusually high, I expect a recount.
It's for the best
If Moore won he was damaged goods. No matter if he is innocent. Enough GOP senators said they didn't want him so he really couldn't be very effective in congress. If he won Franken would not leave. The dam is about to break on all the predators in congress. If most of them are democrats it would be hard for republicans to justify calling for their resignation with Moore in the senate. Guilty or not he would be a PR nightmare. If the GOP puts up a good candidate Jones will be a out after one term.
Quote from: Solar on December 12, 2017, 07:34:55 PM
And the left was unusually high, I expect a recount.
I think the recount happens only if it's under .5%...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 12, 2017, 07:35:44 PM
It's for the best
If Moore won he was damaged goods. No matter if he is innocent. Enough GOP senators said they didn't want him so he really couldn't be very effective in congress. If he won Franken would not leave. The dam is about to break on all the predators in congress. If most of them are democrats it would be hard for republicans to justify calling for their resignation with Moore in the senate. Guilty or not he would be a PR nightmare. If the GOP puts up a good candidate Jones will be a out after one term.
Bannon has some egg on his face.
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
Bannon has some egg on his face.
McCON-nel has shit on his lips, though.
Quote from: Solar on December 12, 2017, 07:42:18 PM
McCON-nel has shit on his lips, though.
He keeps it in a little chapstick dispenser...
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
He keeps it in a little chapstick dispenser...
That ring around the Cons nose?
Matches perfectly the one around Doug Jones ass.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 12, 2017, 07:35:44 PM
It's for the best
If Moore won he was damaged goods. No matter if he is innocent. Enough GOP senators said they didn't want him so he really couldn't be very effective in congress. If he won Franken would not leave. The dam is about to break on all the predators in congress. If most of them are democrats it would be hard for republicans to justify calling for their resignation with Moore in the senate. Guilty or not he would be a PR nightmare. If the GOP puts up a good candidate Jones will be a out after one term.
I dont agree its for the best. Going from 52-51 isnt best at all. Jones is up for election in 2020 and until then if im Schumer i would instruct Jones to vote in such a way until then that he can be re-elected. Dont look for Jones to vote hard left the next 2 years.
Would yall like to hear the analysis of a lifelong Alabama native - The underlying facts on the ground?
Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 07:52:05 PM
Would yall like to hear the analysis of a lifelong Alabama native - The underlying facts on the ground?
Sure.
Trump choosing Sessions to be AG was the biggest mistake he made. Never take a person from congress when the margin 2 votes no matter how safe the seat may appear. On top of that, Sessions has disappeared and the DOJ is being run by Obama leftovers.
Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 07:52:05 PM
Would yall like to hear the analysis of a lifelong Alabama native - The underlying facts on the ground?
Let's hear it...
We can thank the fools who wrote in someone else. 10,000 vote margin and 22,000 write-ins and i have no doubt those were dumbass reps voting write-in.
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
It sounds like the turnout was low for Moore, if I'm seeing correctly....
Very true, even though 2016 was a presidential election year, so turnout would be higher than now Shelby got 1,335,000 votes and his Opponent got 748,000. Moore will get about 635,000 which is less than half Shelby's vote while Jones will end up with about 655,000 less than 100,000 less.
Moore - 700,000 and Jones only -100,000 from 2016
Now an 8000 vote margin with 22,259 idiot write-ins.
Alright, buckle up...
As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...
And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat... Now for the facts...
1) Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd... He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge... This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office... As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches... This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.
2) Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this... Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare... Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job... He is much liked in the state and has served us well...
3) The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's...
4) During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates... Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...
5) Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man... He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat... The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG... But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...
Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held... Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...
6) Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...
In the end, the percentages fell like this: Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...
Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot... So you can thank Mo for sucking enough votes off to give the nomination to Moore...
And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature... And politics...
Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites... One wonders what his end game was in this... To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat? Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach? I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate... But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...
And then there is the question of Moore's female accusers... I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true...
The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat...
If it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem... There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics... So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is... The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO... Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...
And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic... And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...
Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Alright, buckle up...
As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...
And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat... Now for the facts...
1) Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd... He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge... This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office... As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches... This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.
2) Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this... Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare... Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job... He is much liked in the state and has served us well...
3) The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's...
4) During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates... Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...
5) Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man... He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat... The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG... But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...
Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held... Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...
6) Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...
In the end, the percentages fell like this: Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...
Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot... And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature... And politics...
Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites... One wonders what his end game was in this... To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat? Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach? I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate... But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...
And then there is the question of Moore's female accusers... I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true...
The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat...
If it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem... There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics... So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is... The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO... Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...
And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic... And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...
Alot of what you say is reasonable but i think Jones will be quite strategic in his voting.
Well anything's possible, but don't hold your breath... He may try to look like an Alabamian for a few weeks, but he'll vote like a good liberal Democrat when the serious votes come up... Don't forget he has his own constituency of Democrats here he has to pander to - Black race baiters, lefty professors at the state universities, and the like... Can't anger them just to hold the seat... :wink:
We'll just have to lick our wounds and hope that some solid conservative candidates will shoot down some of these Dems who represent states that voted for Trump... Many of them are in trouble at home, so unless McConnell and the boys manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (and they are certainly capable in their arrogance, cowardice, and idiocy) we might just make Doug Jones irrelevant... And hopefully he'll prove to be an embarrassment to my beloved state and will be short-lived...
I continue to encourage all my friends here to have hope, pray for our President (they are coming for him), and remember that Jesus Christ controls human history despite our foolishness...
Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Alright, buckle up...
As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...
And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat... Now for the facts...
1) Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd... He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge... This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office... As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches... This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.
2) Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this... Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare... Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job... He is much liked in the state and has served us well...
3) The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's...
4) During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates... Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...
5) Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man... He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat... The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG... But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...
Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held... Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...
6) Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...
In the end, the percentages fell like this: Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...
Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot... So you can thank Mo for sucking enough votes off to give the nomination to Moore...
And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature... And politics...
Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites... One wonders what his end game was in this... To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat? Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach? I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate... But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...
And then there is the question of Moore's female accusers... I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true...
The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat...
If it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem... There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics... So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is... The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO... Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...
And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic... And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...
Very interesting....
The seat is up again in 2018, right?
I have no doubt they'll find a minimum 1% DNC fraudulent ballots, so go for it Roy.
Moore refuses to concede Alabama Senate race
Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore (R) refused to concede the special election Tuesday night after multiple media outlets called the race in favor of his Democratic opponent, Doug Jones.
"At this point, we do not have a final decision on the outcome tonight," Moore's campaign chairman Bill Armistead told supporters.
"When the vote is this close, it is not over," Moore said.
Alabama state law requires an automatic recount when election results are within 0.5 percent.
With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Jones holds 49.9 percent of the vote, compared to Moore's 48.4 percent, a 1.5 percent gap.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/364617-moore-refuses-to-concede-alabama-senate-race
A one vote margin in the Senate virtually guarantees a likely hard stop to most legislative goals of Donald Trump in the Senate. With people like Flake, Murkowski, McCain, Collins, Corker, Graham et al, a single vote lost will result in a tie where Pence has to make a decision and if two turncoats switch would doom the legislation and any SCOTUS nominees (as well as federal judgeships) because Dems are socialists and will vote as a unit. Disastrous day for the Trump agenda and for Republican independent thinkers but a great one for the Dems and party establishment run by Mitch McConnell. We are headed down a dangerous road folks and will be a disaster if (I think it likely now) the Dems win the House and possibly even the Senate in 2018. Jones will not be seated until Jan 26th so they have very little time to get anything enacted, perhaps for years to come
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 12, 2017, 07:35:44 PM
It's for the best
If Moore won he was damaged goods. No matter if he is innocent. Enough GOP senators said they didn't want him so he really couldn't be very effective in congress. If he won Franken would not leave. The dam is about to break on all the predators in congress. If most of them are democrats it would be hard for republicans to justify calling for their resignation with Moore in the senate. Guilty or not he would be a PR nightmare. If the GOP puts up a good candidate Jones will be a out after one term.
This was the problem. The GOP in AL fumbled this sure win from when Strange was appointed. I can't believe they could not find a good, solid conservative without baggage. The good news is the term is only for two years as it is just filling Sessions; seat.
Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Alright, buckle up...
As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...
And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat... Now for the facts...
1) Roy Moore, once he decided to become an active player in Alabama politics, chose the path of pandering to the religious crowd... He was elected twice to the Alabama Supreme Court, the second time because he refused to take the 10 Commandments down from the court building after it was ordered removed by a federal judge... This he played like a fiddle to the religious crowd to the point of being removed from office... As the Chief Justice of the ASC one would expect he would request that the State Attorney General challenge the order but instead he played the martyr card and carried his cross thru all the sympathetic churches... This never did play well to a certain percentage of thinking Conservatives who believe firmly in the separation of church and state.
I'm not attacking you, just qualifying and clarifying some points.
There is no such clause as separation of Church and State, that's a leftist talking point.
Read the First Amendment and tell me what entity is being banned from interfering with Speech and Religion.
Just because the gop'E pandered to the left in conceding much of our culture over the decades, in no way changes the Bill of Rights true meaning.
Sorry, just wanted to clarify the point for our readers, but you're still entitled to your opinion.
Quote2) Luther Strange was characterized by the media (conservatives as well) as Mitch McConnell's boy - There was never any factual evidence to support this... Strange has always been a rock solid conservative Attorney General for this state, being one of the few in the nation who had the guts to challenge much of Obama's tyrannical overreach in Federal Court - One of the few who challenged the Constitutionality of Obamacare... Before Roy Moore decided he wanted the Senate seat, I thought Strange would be a shoe-in for the job... He is much liked in the state and has served us well...
3) The media (including conservative icons like Hannity and even the great Limbaugh) continued to preach the paradigm that Strange was just another McConnell insider - This simply was not true, and I believe to this day if he had won the nomination, this seat would have remained Republican and you would have seen a Senator on board with the Trump agenda, not McConnell's...
4) During the primary race, since Strange was the sitting temporary senator, he was the target of the other serious candidates... Moore is hungry to extend his political career (don't expect to see him disappear, btw) so he sold the Strange/McConnell snake oil to the religious crowd (which is a sizable gang)...
In truth, Strange was the Con's boy, because he never once refuted or refused the RINO' support, which to anyone, is the curse of death.
Who knows, maybe McCon-nel knew that and wanted Jones to win by picking a favorite.
Just think if ISIS and the Ayatollah had backed Trump, would that have been considered helpful in any way?
Just tossing it out there, because truth is, the Con is the most despised individual in Congress, and that includes Schumer and Fuglosi.
McCON didn't just back Strange, he refused to fund Moores campaign
Quote5) Mo Brooks, seeing his chance to graduate from the House to play with the big boys in the Senate, decided he would also portray Strange as a McConnell man... He actually went as far as to accuse Strange of making a pact with the governor (who was under scrutiny over misuse of state funds with a girlfriend no less) where the governor would not be investigated, and in turn Strange would be appointed to Jeff Sessions seat... The only problem with this was that Strange's decision to not formally prosecute the governor (who resigned voluntarily, btw) was before Mr. Trump had named Sessions as the US AG... But Mo Brooks ran ads saying that the fix was in and that the governor appointed Strange in a quid pro quo "without letting the people of Alabama even vote on it"...
Brooks is a long sitting US Congressman - He KNOWS that when a House or Senate seat is vacated prematurely, that FEDERAL LAW requires that the sitting governor from that state appoints someone to TEMPORARILY serve until a special election can be held... Yet he preached this poison in his campaign ads...
6) Over this weekend Alabama's senior senator, Richard Shelby, who IS (IMO) one of the Washington insiders, made a public statement to the effect that after long heartfelt scrutiny, he couldn't bring himself to vote for Moore, and wrote-in a name on his absentee ballot...
In the end, the percentages fell like this: Moore has made a certain number of political enemies in his own party over the years, and even though most would vote for the Republican against the Democrat, there is a certain percentage who did not...
Mo Brooks was probably the killing blow that took the nomination from Strange in that he sucked off or scared away a certain percentage of votes that would have put Strange on the ballot... So you can thank Mo for sucking enough votes off to give the nomination to Moore...
And again, even though most who supported Strange in the primary probably still voted for Moore to block the Democrat, there are undoubtedly some who are angry that Strange was not nominated and refused to vote - Right or wrong, it is human nature... And politics...
Richard Shelby (unlike Jeff Sessions) chose not to keep his mouth shut and IMO purposefully drew away a certain percentage of loyal Shelby-ites... One wonders what his end game was in this... To keep Roy Moore out of the Senate because he's not one of the old boy club, to the point of even letting a Democrat win the seat? Does he subscribe to McConnell's idiotic "long game" approach? I don't have enough facts to decide - I can only speculate... But he no doubt cost Moore some votes...
All a bunch of RINO, many of which have already announced retirement because they see the internal numbers and know they are on their way out, so they sided with the little Marxist Leadership in going against Moore.
QuoteAnd then there is the question of Moore's female accusers... I don't personally know anyone who believes these women are anything but paid agents of the Democrat party, but there is the probability that a certain percentage of his religious fans were spooked by the accusations, and sensing that Moore had "feet of clay" turned on him, or at least abandoned him for fear that the accusations MIGHT come out to be true...
The total loss of votes from all these corners was probably what cost the Republicans the seat...
That, and no doubt fraud on the part of the left, there's always been historically 10% minimum fraud in every election by the left, but scum like McCON refuse to go after it.
Remember all those arrested and jailed in the IRS/TEA scandal?
QuoteIf it makes yall feel any better, I seriously doubt that any significant percentage of Pub voters crossed over to vote for the Dem... There probably are some morons who did, but not enough to indicate a shift in Alabama politics... So tomorrow when CNN and MSNBC go all orgasmic and claim that the Deep South is abandoning Trump and is turning Blue, just know it for the bullshit that it is... The lost votes were mostly stay-home votes, IMO... Foolish as it may seem, I think the stay-homers cost the Pubs this seat...
And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic... And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...
Agree, and if anything, either stayed home or wrote in another name.
But I'm going with fraud as a deciding factor.
Oh, and you are correct about Strange, he's a solid Conservative, which I can't help but think the McCON knew his endorsement was on par with that of the GrimmReaper.
Let's face it, McCON loved being in the minority, because he could always claim "We just don't have the numbers", and now that he has them?
He votes like a Marxist Dim. So yeah, he supported Strange so as to kill any chance of retaining the seat.
I know it sounds far fetched and conspiratorial, but this is a Leftist sellout we're talking about here, a man watching his life's work as an Establishment whore, collapse in a pile of excrement all around him.
For all I know, you may be spot on, I just wanted to give a differing perspective on the matter. So thanks for taking the time to give your analysys.
Quote from: taxed on December 12, 2017, 09:18:29 PM
Very interesting....
The seat is up again in 2018, right?
2020
Quote from: MichaelJ on December 13, 2017, 04:16:26 AM
A one vote margin in the Senate virtually guarantees a likely hard stop to most legislative goals of Donald Trump in the Senate. With people like Flake, Murkowski, McCain, Collins, Corker, Graham et al, a single vote lost will result in a tie where Pence has to make a decision and if two turncoats switch would doom the legislation and any SCOTUS nominees (as well as federal judgeships) because Dems are socialists and will vote as a unit. Disastrous day for the Trump agenda and for Republican independent thinkers but a great one for the Dems and party establishment run by Mitch McConnell. We are headed down a dangerous road folks and will be a disaster if (I think it likely now) the Dems win the House and possibly even the Senate in 2018. Jones will not be seated until Jan 26th so they have very little time to get anything enacted, perhaps for years to come
You made the point I was getting at in another post, that McCON wanted to stop Trump's agenda in the worst way and stop taking the heat for stalling the Wall, that he helped give Alabama to the left.
Quote from: lazarus on December 12, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Alright, buckle up...
As always the MSM only gives you the 30 sound bite that supports the dumbing down of America and in the case of this race, not even our Conservative icons bothered to do the slightest bit of objective analysis...
And my disclaimer: I DID in fact vote for the Republican candidate, flawed as he was, and I'm displeased that we lost that seat... Now for the facts...
snip ~
And yes, Doug Jones will vote with the Dems - The idea that Schumer will instruct him to vote with the Pubs isn't realistic... And when his term expires, I suspect he will be replaced by a new Conservative Pub - If in fact the Republican party hasn't disintegrated by then...
I wish you'd laid out some of the Alabama political landscape for us 2 weeks ago. Sounds like good ole southern politics. Good read though.
Quote from: MichaelJ on December 13, 2017, 04:16:26 AM
A one vote margin in the Senate virtually guarantees a likely hard stop to most legislative goals of Donald Trump in the Senate. With people like Flake, Murkowski, McCain, Collins, Corker, Graham et al, a single vote lost will result in a tie where Pence has to make a decision and if two turncoats switch would doom the legislation and any SCOTUS nominees (as well as federal judgeships) because Dems are socialists and will vote as a unit. Disastrous day for the Trump agenda and for Republican independent thinkers but a great one for the Dems and party establishment run by Mitch McConnell. We are headed down a dangerous road folks and will be a disaster if (I think it likely now) the Dems win the House and possibly even the Senate in 2018. Jones will not be seated until Jan 26th so they have very little time to get anything enacted, perhaps for years to come
Thats why i said there is nothing"best" about losing this seat.
Its really sad how stupid the AL voters are. They elected someone that will represent california, not Alabama. I give dem voters more credit. If Al Franken had said he would run for re-election and let the MN voters decide his fate no way in hell would they have voted for a conservative over him.
I'm pretty optimistic.
1 - It's a short term for him -- not the full 6 years. We'll snatch it right back.
2 - This was one loss. It happens, and we're still advancing. It's like the stock market... it's the overall trend that's important.
3 - The sex scandals are flipping up a lot of seats, so 2018 is a scramble anyway.
4 - More light has been shined on McConnel and the other RINOs who broke for Jones.
5 - This should get some conservatives' attention in 2018 who might get complacent.
6 - There's too much good stuff happening behind the scenes, like cleaning house in the intel agencies.
7 - The President can still keep slashing EPA regs.
...more as I think of them..
Yeah, it's a big "meh".
Annoying, disappointing, doesn't change our trajectory. Let the AL voters suffer for their foolishness and decide whether it was worth it to worry about Allred's liars, and let the DNC own half of their politics. My guess is that after listening to Jones for 2 years, they'll rue the day that they let "feelings" give away half of their state's autonomy to abortionists, LGBT warriors, and illegals.
Of course there was also that 4-5 million from demlib coffers, maybe that'll be a tough cost for them.
Hopefully Trump has a Plan B that uses Moore somewhere else, and cuts Sessions loose to start his next AL campaign. Moore as interim / acting AG, lol.
Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2017, 06:14:14 AM
I'm pretty optimistic.
1 - It's a short term for him -- not the full 6 years. We'll snatch it right back.
2 - This was one loss. It happens, and we're still advancing. It's like the stock market... it's the overall trend that's important.
3 - The sex scandals are flipping up a lot of seats, so 2018 is a scramble anyway.
4 - More light has been shined on McConnel and the other RINOs who broke for Jones.
5 - This should get some conservatives' attention in 2018 who might get complacent.
6 - There's too much good stuff happening behind the scenes, like cleaning house in the intel agencies.
7 - The President can still keep slashing EPA regs.
...more as I think of them..
Me too. I think it was the shock of losing, what should have been a sure win.
There is a HUGE upside to all of this, McCON getting giddy over the Dims win. This is not sitting well with the base and is certain to have severe ramifications even before 2018 midterms.
Quote from: taxed on December 13, 2017, 06:14:14 AM
I'm pretty optimistic.
1 - It's a short term for him -- not the full 6 years. We'll snatch it right back.
2 - This was one loss. It happens, and we're still advancing. It's like the stock market... it's the overall trend that's important.
3 - The sex scandals are flipping up a lot of seats, so 2018 is a scramble anyway.
4 - More light has been shined on McConnel and the other RINOs who broke for Jones.
5 - This should get some conservatives' attention in 2018 who might get complacent.
6 - There's too much good stuff happening behind the scenes, like cleaning house in the intel agencies.
7 - The President can still keep slashing EPA regs.
...more as I think of them..
While it remains to be seen how MUCH can be made of a single vote majority, I still love the fact that it cost Democrat supporters, 50-60 million to win a seat for a meger 2 years....LOLOLOL and they're already financially hurting to boot! One might say, "They spend money like Democrats!"
Quote from: Hoofer on December 13, 2017, 01:50:15 PM
While it remains to be seen how MUCH can be made of a single vote majority, I still love the fact that it cost Democrat supporters, 50-60 million to win a seat for a meger 2 years....LOLOLOL and they're already financially hurting to boot! One might say, "They spend money like Democrats!"
On one hand it is still a majority. On the other hand, it ain't like they were getting anything done.
Quote from: s3779m on December 13, 2017, 02:20:09 PM
On one hand it is still a majority. On the other hand, it ain't like they were getting anything done.
Pretty darn hard for McConnell to claim credit for the booming economy, lessing regulations and low unemployment - he & Paul Ryan hasn't done anything to warrant a second of praise, that comes to mind.
It's been all President Trump. Other than 1 Supreme Court appointment, and some Judges .... that old rooster has nothing to crow about!
I still suspect massive cheating....Dems colluding with RINO's is never a good thing.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 13, 2017, 03:48:00 PM
I still suspect massive cheating....Dems colluding with RINO's is never a good thing.
You have no idea, just how prophetic that statement is.
Keep watching, shit is about to hit the fan.
Evidence of Voter Fraud in Alabama As Mobile County Results Come In Late
December 13, 2017
Judge Roy Moore is calling for all the votes to be counted in the Alabama Senate election, refusing to concede the race to Doug Jones even as the mainstream media declares a premature victory.
Moore is down 1.7 points and only needs to come within a half-point to spark a statewide recount. Absentee ballots from military service members have still not been counted. Mobile County, a heavily pro-Jones county, tabulated its votes later than the pro-Moore counties, and eventually gave Jones the lead.
The Alabama Supreme Court shot down a lower court ruling Tuesday requiring counties to preserve their digital voting records. Thus, the Supreme Court is allowing counties to destroy their voter records. The Moore legal team will need to jump on this development fast to protect those records.
Evidence of voter fraud exists in the election.
Democratic activists made a last-minute push to get out the vote against Roy Moore in Alabama by encouraging "African-Americans in Mississippi" to vote in the wrong state.
Sources on the ground in Alabama confirm that these tactics are real, and they have been used by supporters of Democrat Doug Jones.
Big League Politics received evidence of a Reddit call for "African-Americans in Mississippi" to "make a short trip to Alabama on December 12." That Reddit thread is still active.
Similar calls have been made on Reddit for African-Americans in other nearby states, including Georgia and Tennessee.
Voters were forced to fill out provisional ballots in Madison County due to technical problems at the polls, and many of those voters were told that their votes might not count.
Democrat Doug Jones won Madison County with 65,664 votes to Moore's 46,313, with 3,446 write ins. Jones' nearly 20,000-vote margin of victory in Madison County alone accounts for nearly all of his 1.7-point lead statewide (absentee ballots still need to be counted).
President Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in Madison County, with 89,520 votes to Clinton's 62,822 votes.
Big League Politics has received a firsthand report from Madison County of technical problems at the polls that caused many voters to fill out provisional ballots that have not yet been counted, and might never be counted.
Provisional votes will not be counted until next Tuesday.
Here is the voter's statement:
"There was Huge problems in Jefferson County. Moore should ask for a recount. No way Jones won 85% of the vote in Jefferson. In Huntsville voters had to vote on provisional ballots and were TOLD the votes may not be counted"...
"My friend said that her polling place in South Huntsville was a disaster. She said they were having equipment issues and everyone voted provisional ballot. They were asked for their phone # and would be called to let them know if their vote was counted"...
There was also a concerted effort underway to register felons to vote in the Alabama special election.
https://bluntforcetruth.com/evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-alabama-as-mobile-county-results-come-in-late/
Here we go...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 13, 2017, 06:57:54 PM
Here we go...
So Dem hold there vote count until they know what they need to win. :ohmy:
Quote from: walkstall on December 13, 2017, 07:15:41 PM
So Dem hold there vote count until they know what they need to win. :ohmy:
"
I Voted!" stickers for tomb stones, cats and dogs.
The more i think about it the angrier i get at idiots in AL. I dont doubt there was some fraud but if the idiots who dont like Hillary Clinton had just got up off their asses and voted this wouldnt have happened.
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Quote from: Solar on December 13, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
Evidence of Voter Fraud in Alabama As Mobile County Results Come In Late
December 13, 2017
Judge Roy Moore is calling for all the votes to be counted in the Alabama Senate election, refusing to concede the race to Doug Jones even as the mainstream media declares a premature victory.
Moore is down 1.7 points and only needs to come within a half-point to spark a statewide recount. Absentee ballots from military service members have still not been counted. Mobile County, a heavily pro-Jones county, tabulated its votes later than the pro-Moore counties, and eventually gave Jones the lead.
The Alabama Supreme Court shot down a lower court ruling Tuesday requiring counties to preserve their digital voting records. Thus, the Supreme Court is allowing counties to destroy their voter records. The Moore legal team will need to jump on this development fast to protect those records.
Evidence of voter fraud exists in the election.
Democratic activists made a last-minute push to get out the vote against Roy Moore in Alabama by encouraging "African-Americans in Mississippi" to vote in the wrong state.
Sources on the ground in Alabama confirm that these tactics are real, and they have been used by supporters of Democrat Doug Jones.
Big League Politics received evidence of a Reddit call for "African-Americans in Mississippi" to "make a short trip to Alabama on December 12." That Reddit thread is still active.
Similar calls have been made on Reddit for African-Americans in other nearby states, including Georgia and Tennessee.
Voters were forced to fill out provisional ballots in Madison County due to technical problems at the polls, and many of those voters were told that their votes might not count.
Democrat Doug Jones won Madison County with 65,664 votes to Moore's 46,313, with 3,446 write ins. Jones' nearly 20,000-vote margin of victory in Madison County alone accounts for nearly all of his 1.7-point lead statewide (absentee ballots still need to be counted).
President Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in Madison County, with 89,520 votes to Clinton's 62,822 votes.
Big League Politics has received a firsthand report from Madison County of technical problems at the polls that caused many voters to fill out provisional ballots that have not yet been counted, and might never be counted.
Provisional votes will not be counted until next Tuesday.
Here is the voter's statement:
"There was Huge problems in Jefferson County. Moore should ask for a recount. No way Jones won 85% of the vote in Jefferson. In Huntsville voters had to vote on provisional ballots and were TOLD the votes may not be counted"...
"My friend said that her polling place in South Huntsville was a disaster. She said they were having equipment issues and everyone voted provisional ballot. They were asked for their phone # and would be called to let them know if their vote was counted"...
There was also a concerted effort underway to register felons to vote in the Alabama special election.
https://bluntforcetruth.com/evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-alabama-as-mobile-county-results-come-in-late/
Holy shit!!!!!
On-air admission by out of state voter...
https://www.infowars.com/alabama-vote-fraud-doug-jones-supporter-says-we-came-from-different-parts-of-the-country/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7XiRGVoAA_D2f.jpg)
https://twitter.com/KingBee0102/status/940926376751845379
I knew there was going to be voter fraud. Now who is going to investigate and demand a recount?
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2017, 06:12:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ7XiRGVoAA_D2f.jpg)
https://twitter.com/KingBee0102/status/940926376751845379
It was just a simple tabulation "error". Those votes were really Democrats, and therefore *belong* with Duh Jones.
Why was Duh Jones at a loss for words during the acceptance speech?
He was thinking, "What the hell did you guys do that put me over the top???"
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alabama-voting-record-lawsuit_us_5a2f6482e4b046175432d003
QuoteUPDATE: 11:25 a.m. ― Alabama's state Supreme Court late Monday stayed a judge's earlier order that the state preserve digital voting records in Tuesday's election.
Previously:
An Alabama judge directed state election officials on Monday to save all digital images of the paper ballots filled out by voters in Tuesday's special Senate election.
Montgomery County Circuit Judge Roman Ashley Shaul granted a preliminary injunction directing counties to set voting machines "to preserve all digital ballot images." The order was requested in a lawsuit filed last week on behalf of Alabama citizens demanding that voting records be protected.
"After hearing arguments and reviewing the filings, it appears that plaintiffs and similarly situated voters would suffer irreparable and immediate harm if digital ballot images are not preserved," Shaul wrote. The judge cited "a reasonable belief that the results may be close."
Quote from: taxed on December 16, 2017, 09:59:31 PM
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alabama-voting-record-lawsuit_us_5a2f6482e4b046175432d003
Why is no one asking the elephant in the room the obvious question?
WTF is the big hurry over purging evidence? Do you need these machines in another fixed election in Venezuela?
If not, leave the damn things be and let the voters satisfy their claims!
So there might be voter fraud, no surprise here.
So Chuck Shumer demands a delay to get his newly minted rubber stamp seated in Congress, no surprise, he wants to stop the TAX bill
So, what if McConnell seats the "wrong guy" in the Senate, after a recount it Roy Moore wins....?
So it's about time Mitch McConnell be "unseated".
It is laughable to watch both houses of Congress scurrying around, hell-bent on passing a mediocre TAX relief bill before Christmas.
All those months and months of stalling, and when faced with the likelihood of an unworkable majority, McConnell springs into action. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on December 17, 2017, 03:37:31 AM
Why is no one asking the elephant in the room the obvious question?
WTF is the big hurry over purging evidence? Do you need these machines in another fixed election in Venezuela?
If not, leave the damn things be and let the voters satisfy their claims!
Exactly...