This is just rich! It proves the Dims still don't get it, but it also shows the great divide within the party between socialists and Marxists.




The discontent with Nancy Pelosi is breaking out in the open.

Democrats in the House have quietly grumbled about Pelosi since suffering devastating losses on Election Day, but there is a growing number of members willing to go public on their party leaders.

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The list of grievances — from the election losses, to routine procedures erupting into nasty fights — has shaken the confidence many Democrats hold in their leader. So while Pelosi will be unchallenged for the top House Democratic post on Tuesday during a closed-door party meeting, the incoming minority leader is about to be in the worst position with her caucus since the end of their short-lived majority in 2010.

"They wiped the floor with us, so no, we're not feeling good," said Ohio Rep. Marcia Fudge, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus. "We think clearly there was a lack of a coherent and compelling message. We believe that certainly our leadership worked hard, but there obviously was something lacking because we lost so many seats. I want to see members who have a better handle on the caucus brought in, whether they be young or old. I want people who have a good pulse of what is going on in our caucus ... people who are more inclusive."

Rank-and-file Democrats are complaining loudly that the party's message operation failed during the election cycle. Members of the CBC are angry over the defeat of Nevada Rep. Steven Horsford. And nasty fights over ranking member spots have broken out all over the place — including another tug of war between Pelosi and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer over the top Democratic post on the Energy and Commerce Committee.

A routine internal debate over proxy voting for the ranking member posts — it hasn't been allowed in decades — turned into national news because Illinois Rep. Tammy Duckworth, a disabled war veteran expecting her first child soon, won't be allowed to cast her vote since she can't travel back to Capitol Hill. The vote has led to some bitter feelings on both sides of the dispute. And Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Steve Israel is being pressed over whether he was totally honest with his colleagues over the electoral peril they faced.

The 74-year-old Pelosi's hold on power seems secure, but buy-in from her conference is shaken.

"When any party suffers two comprehensive midterm defeats, as we did, you're going to have soul-searching and you're going to have finger-pointing and I think that's natural," added Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) "I would hope that we will create a mechanism for rational analysis of what went wrong and why and what we can do to take correct measures to be successful in 2016 and beyond."

Connolly and other lawmakers had suggested that the next DCCC chairman be elected by rank-and-file members, instead of being handpicked by Pelosi and then approved by the full caucus. Pelosi picked Ben Ray Luján of New Mexico for the job on Monday. "I definitely think that has some merit and should be looked at. I always believe there is benefit to be had about broadening the number of stakeholders, elected stakeholders," Connolly said.

When unveiling her pick on Monday, Pelosi emphasized Luján's "fresh energy and ideas."

"[Luján is] a dynamic and forward-looking leader with fresh energy and ideas that House Democrats need for victory in 2016," Pelosi said. "He has [a] bold vision and determined leadership to deliver wins in difficult districts."

Most of the Democratic fingers are pointed at President Barack Obama and the White House, with lawmakers saying there was no way around the "six-year itch" that Obama faced midway through his second term.

A few Democrats — including some new members-elect such as Gwen Graham of Florida — are expected to vote against Pelosi on Tuesday, although the number of defections is still expected to be small. Pelosi has bristled at suggestions that it may be time for her to move on after a dozen years running the Democratic Caucus, dismissing questions about her age and ability.

Pelosi even told POLITICO that she might have thought about retiring if Democrats had won the House, but she needs to stay all the more because the party lost seats. That comment caused some eyes to roll in Democratic circles.

"If we had lost 30 or 40 seats, rather than the dozen we lost, then [Pelosi] would have said she's never leaving," joked one Democrat, speaking on condition of anonymity. "If we keep losing seats, she'll be here until she's 90."

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/nancy-pelosi-democrats-112962.html

Balkanization is complete , and with Amnesty it should go from ballot box to cartridge box , but the Silent Majority is too distracted by Dancing with the Stars & NASCAR & NFL and Grand Theft Auto 5 and Calamari & deep fried turkey...

Quote from: Gator Monroe on November 17, 2014, 07:18:45 PM
Balkanization is complete , and with Amnesty it should go from ballot box to cartridge box , but the Silent Majority is too distracted by Dancing with the Stars & NASCAR & NFL and Grand Theft Auto 5 and Calamari & deep fried turkey...

It was the silent majority that cleaned House, known as Bloody November.

  The November Surprise will not stop Amnesty (Which I consider the greatest Danger to America since WW2 including the Cuban missile Crisis )

Quote from: Gator Monroe on November 17, 2014, 07:18:45 PM
Balkanization is complete , and with Amnesty it should go from ballot box to cartridge box , but the Silent Majority is too distracted by Dancing with the Stars & NASCAR & NFL and Grand Theft Auto 5 and Calamari & deep fried turkey...

Gator, quit with the writing obfuscation.

Quote from: taxed on November 17, 2014, 07:51:16 PM
Gator, quit with the writing obfuscation.

No Problem , are Non Sequitur filled replies more palatable , I'm easy prey for grammar Nazi's .

Quote from: Gator Monroe on November 17, 2014, 07:58:28 PM
No Problem , are Non Sequitur filled replies more palatable , I'm easy prey for grammar Nazi's .

I'm talking about your use of punctuation.  Example:

This, you see, is OK.

This , however , is not.

Quote"We think clearly there was a lack of a coherent and compelling message. We believe that certainly our leadership worked hard, but there obviously was something lacking because we lost so many seats. I want to see members who have a better handle on the caucus brought in, whether they be young or old. I want people who have a good pulse of what is going on in our caucus ... people who are more inclusive."

It's the same sodding message they have been sending for years. Republicans want to oppress everyone. It didn't work this time because the groups are realizing the Democrats have done nothing for them...

What is this liberal message they're having trouble communicating?  They can't communicate it, because nobody wants it. They know that.  If they had a message, they wouldn't call us racists and say we like to eat children.  There is a reason they need people like Gruber.

Quote from: Gator Monroe on November 17, 2014, 07:37:06 PM
  The November Surprise will not stop Amnesty (Which I consider the greatest Danger to America since WW2 including the Cuban missile Crisis )

It wasn't a surprise to anyone on the Right.

Pelosi can read a 2,200-page bill full of ponderously redundant legalese in 48-hours.  It's like it's nothing to her, she's so smart.  Reads... and understands.

It's no wonder she's promised people a life free of disappointment and pain ( the definition of 'spiritual health', from Harold Kushner's When Bad Things Happen To Good People).  She can offer what God cannot. 

That's how you bumble-away a super-majority.  She'll bumble-away a huge Hispanic voter-bloc, provided one magically appears from myth... in the same manner.

This is just the beginning of discontent among the dems. As more and more crap comes out on Obama there will be more dems turning on him and the leadership. I kind of like Pelosi as minoroty leader. She is such a loon now that she will be a positive for the GOP.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 18, 2014, 04:39:51 AM
This is just the beginning of discontent among the dems. As more and more crap comes out on Obama there will be more dems turning on him and the leadership. I kind of like Pelosi as minoroty leader. She is such a loon now that she will be a positive for the GOP.

Agree. I don't want to see any change in their leadership for two reasons.
One, is to remove them, only scapegoats the party by claiming they got rid of the scoundrels that caused the problem. "We're The New Dim Party" would be the new mantra, but they'd still be the party of Marxism.

And two, by not changing leadership, cements the fact, they'll remain irrelevant because the leadership is in denial over the rejection of Marxism.

Yes, my lib readers, that's why you lost, or rather, why you were so badly slaughtered in Nov, the country wanted to kill of Communism before it got any worse.
To expect a different outcome by keeping the same Marxists in power, says a lot about the base of the Dim voter. Think about that seriously, then ask yourself why TEA did so well.
Hint, the two beliefs are polar opposites, one demands dominion over the populace, while the other claims dominion over govt.

Which would you prefer?

Quote from: taxed on November 17, 2014, 09:04:06 PM
What is this liberal message they're having trouble communicating?  They can't communicate it, because nobody wants it. They know that.  If they had a message, they wouldn't call us racists and say we like to eat children.  There is a reason they need people like Gruber.

Pretty much hitting the nail on the head!

The reason they are having problems communicating their message is because it is a pack of lies, designed to cover their true agenda. If they simply came out and told the country, honestly, what they want to do, they'd be literally run out of town on a rail - several in fact!

Darth

A bit more divide and trouble in the party of Nope and Blame.

House Democrats are continuing to pick at Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's refusal to allow Rep. Tammy Duckworth — a double amputee Iraq War veteran whose pregnancy has made her unable to travel — to vote by proxy in leadership elections this week.

Pelosi and her allies have been saying since Nov. 13, when the issue first came up, that House Democratic Caucus rules prohibit proxy votes, and that allowing exceptions for the Illinois Democrat would create a slippery-slope scenario.

Members and aides are privately seething over what they see as Pelosi's latest attempt to stack the deck against Rep. Frank Pallone Jr., D-N.J., who is running for ranking member on the Energy and Commerce Committee against Pelosi's closest friend and fellow Californian, Rep. Anna G. Eshoo.


And many members are concerned about the optics of not allowing Duckworth a proxy vote when Democrats are supposed to be the party that fights for women. Democrats have tried to make electoral gains by touting the "When Women Succeed, America Succeeds" economic agenda.

"Our party should be the party that stands up for women," Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida said in a caucus meeting Tuesday morning, according to a source in the room.

http://www3.blogs.rollcall.com/218/tammy-duckworth-nancy-pelosi-democrats/?dcz=