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The Trump Budget
« on: February 27, 2017, 12:51:26 PM »
Trump is going to unveil some ideas on his first budget on 2/28 in his speech to congress. This will be an ongoing story so I suggest we might want pin it as it is going to generate a lot of exploding heads. Here is an initial article. As a disclaimer, it is from Yahoo:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-plans-to-cut-funding-for-most-government-agencies-160756646.html

Apparently a key piece is Trump increasing military spending by $54B and cutting other programs by the same amount. OK GOP congresscritters it is time to stand by your "I am a conservative" BS.
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 05:03:42 PM »
Let's find a better link first, OK? Yahoo sucks big time.
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 05:44:03 AM »
Best o'luck to the DOD in resisting pressure from arms manufacturers, who can choose to ignore U.S. sanctions and sell to rogue nations like North Korea. The campaign contributions escalate and everything goes to hell if the Senate ignores the arms folks.

If there is to be any major spending here, it should be to continue big-dollar items already underway (aircraft carriers and subs) and place more emphasis on buying smaller amounts of better-grade tertiary equipment or software programs.

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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2017, 03:07:51 PM »
I dredged up this old post because I found this budget-related letter posted March 16; it's an appropriations request from a couple weeks ago for defense and homeland security.  Wasn't sure what topic would be more relevant - move it if it makes sense.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/amendment_03_16_18.pdf

The cover letter is signed by Trump and sent to Ryan as the Speaker - has some backup in the back-material. The ask for $30B in defense additions isn't new. I hadn't heard of the $3B adder for DHS - maybe I just missed it.

What I hadn't heard he said was to put a number on the cuts and rationale for where the funds would be used. No, it's not paying down the debt as several of you have said:

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In conjunction with this request, I recommend that the Congress enact non-defense discretionary reductions of $18 billion in FY 2017, which would fully offset the amounts proposed for DHS and would offset half of the amounts proposed for DOD.

So it's not much new - but this request was sent up just two weeks ago. This contradicts one thing I read somewhere on this forum that Trump told Schumer that the next budget wouldn't have funds for the wall in it. The letter specifically call out funds for building the wall. Trumpcare failed in the past two weeks - not sure it shifted this request though. 

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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2017, 03:12:04 PM »
I dredged up this old post because I found this budget-related letter posted March 16; it's an appropriations request from a couple weeks ago for defense and homeland security.  Wasn't sure what topic would be more relevant - move it if it makes sense.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/amendment_03_16_18.pdf

The cover letter is signed by Trump and sent to Ryan as the Speaker - has some backup in the back-material. The ask for $30B in defense additions isn't new. I hadn't heard of the $3B adder for DHS - maybe I just missed it.

What I hadn't heard he said was to put a number on the cuts and rationale for where the funds would be used. No, it's not paying down the debt as several of you have said:

So it's not much new - but this request was sent up just two weeks ago. This contradicts one thing I read somewhere on this forum that Trump told Schumer that the next budget wouldn't have funds for the wall in it. The letter specifically call out funds for building the wall. Trumpcare failed in the past two weeks - not sure it shifted this request though.

Yes Trump's budget calls for building the wall; but Congress has other plans and says that funding will have to wait. They hold the purse strings.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/trump's-border-wall-funding-will-likely-have-to-wait/45/
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2017, 03:27:00 PM »
Yes Trump's budget calls for building the wall; but Congress has other plans and says that funding will have to wait. They hold the purse strings.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/trump's-border-wall-funding-will-likely-have-to-wait/45/

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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2017, 03:53:20 PM »
I dredged up this old post because I found this budget-related letter posted March 16; it's an appropriations request from a couple weeks ago for defense and homeland security.  Wasn't sure what topic would be more relevant - move it if it makes sense.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/amendment_03_16_18.pdf

The cover letter is signed by Trump and sent to Ryan as the Speaker - has some backup in the back-material. The ask for $30B in defense additions isn't new. I hadn't heard of the $3B adder for DHS - maybe I just missed it.

What I hadn't heard he said was to put a number on the cuts and rationale for where the funds would be used. No, it's not paying down the debt as several of you have said:

So it's not much new - but this request was sent up just two weeks ago. This contradicts one thing I read somewhere on this forum that Trump told Schumer that the next budget wouldn't have funds for the wall in it. The letter specifically call out funds for building the wall. Trumpcare failed in the past two weeks - not sure it shifted this request though.
I don't think anyone on this site ever accused Trump of wanting to pay down the debt, let alone say he was.
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 06:09:51 PM »
I don't think anyone on this site ever accused Trump of wanting to pay down the debt, let alone say he was.

I think I'm the only one on the site that had that naive notion that he would be about paying down the debt. Again, I'm just learning about the political system - have stayed out of it until this year. I always thought the Republican Party as conservative and responsible. I've learned / been convinced of a lot in the last few weeks - unfortunately how far the system is from our roots. But part of believing in "responsibility" was that the Pubs would take paying the debt down as something important. To most folks I hang with - you don't spend money that you don't have. But I've been unpleasantly surprised again at how little attention financial responsibility gets. It burned us in 2018 when Freddy and Fanny were giving loans to anyone who could find change in a couch. It will burn us again - probably much worse with the deficit we're carrying from the spending spree that BO blew through.

I am doubtful but hopeful that this administration is responsible enough to actually pass a budget and stop with the CRs -  it would be a first step. I was looking at http://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2017 and there is enough movement that we may get a budget approved by Congress in April or May. Although the way all else has gone, it will probably get jammed up.
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 06:14:28 PM »
I don't think anyone on this site ever accused Trump of wanting to pay down the debt, let alone say he was.

I don't recall Trump talking much about paying down the debt, rather he talked quite a bit about unfair trade practices and terrible trade deals that the U.S. has made.
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2017, 05:15:37 AM »
I think I'm the only one on the site that had that naive notion that he would be about paying down the debt. Again, I'm just learning about the political system - have stayed out of it until this year. I always thought the Republican Party as conservative and responsible. I've learned / been convinced of a lot in the last few weeks - unfortunately how far the system is from our roots. But part of believing in "responsibility" was that the Pubs would take paying the debt down as something important. To most folks I hang with - you don't spend money that you don't have. But I've been unpleasantly surprised again at how little attention financial responsibility gets. It burned us in 2018 when Freddy and Fanny were giving loans to anyone who could find change in a couch. It will burn us again - probably much worse with the deficit we're carrying from the spending spree that BO blew through.

I am doubtful but hopeful that this administration is responsible enough to actually pass a budget and stop with the CRs -  it would be a first step. I was looking at http://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2017 and there is enough movement that we may get a budget approved by Congress in April or May. Although the way all else has gone, it will probably get jammed up.

Congratulations on seeing the light. Most of us are not necessarily republicans. We are conservatives and find pub candidates usually better suited to our desires than the leftist democrats.
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2017, 06:03:13 AM »
I think I'm the only one on the site that had that naive notion that he would be about paying down the debt. Again, I'm just learning about the political system - have stayed out of it until this year. I always thought the Republican Party as conservative and responsible. I've learned / been convinced of a lot in the last few weeks - unfortunately how far the system is from our roots. But part of believing in "responsibility" was that the Pubs would take paying the debt down as something important. To most folks I hang with - you don't spend money that you don't have. But I've been unpleasantly surprised again at how little attention financial responsibility gets. It burned us in 2018 when Freddy and Fanny were giving loans to anyone who could find change in a couch. It will burn us again - probably much worse with the deficit we're carrying from the spending spree that BO blew through.

I am doubtful but hopeful that this administration is responsible enough to actually pass a budget and stop with the CRs -  it would be a first step. I was looking at http://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2017 and there is enough movement that we may get a budget approved by Congress in April or May. Although the way all else has gone, it will probably get jammed up.
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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2017, 08:30:41 AM »
Congratulations on seeing the light. Most of us are not necessarily republicans. We are conservatives and find pub candidates usually better suited to our desires than the leftist democrats.
To add to that, we also take the approach it will be less of a battle to take over the party that at least pretends (sometimes) to support the conservative political philosophy, as opposed to the political party which outright demonizes us.

And MUCH easier than trying to take the third party approach.

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Re: The Trump Budget
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2017, 05:21:59 AM »
This morning I was thinking about the Congress passing the Trump budget - wondering if a simple majority can pass it since votes, after negotiation, will go down party lines - especially if the Wall is involved. Turns out simple majority can carry the House. Simple Majority can carry the Senate (51 votes) ... with a qualification.

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But the budget resolutions also give members of Congress the power to raise "points of order" to block any legislation that violates the budget resolution. This doesn't really matter in the House, because points of order can be waived by a simple majority vote. If you have the votes to pass a tax or spending change that violates the budget resolution, you have the votes to waive the point of order, making it a very minor roadblock.

But in the Senate, waiving a point of order requires 60 votes. That makes it a lot harder to pass bills that violate the pre-agreed-upon budget outline.

http://www.vox.com/2017/2/27/14751872/budget-process-explained

It's a weak reference, but likely correct on this point. So, basically, the Dims can bloviate forever so that 60 votes are required. The vote will never shift off of party lines with border wall or planned parenthood in the budget.  So I'm not sure how NPR gets defunded (my favorite issue). Or how the border wall gets funded. Or how funding gets pulled from Planned Parenthood?

It's a stalemate. Maybe Trump trades the border wall (off) for Planned Parenthood cut on? Then he incites private industry to get the wall built via private donation at his discretion in protecting the nation. Again, I'm in. Heck - I'll go down and build on it for awhile for the price of a sleep'n bag and coffee. I'm an engineer - can learn to run big equipment ... I can do anything! Ok .... I think I can do anything. (the wife chuckles at that along with a big eye roll).

Seriously. Does anyone see a path to getting the budget through with these items in?




 

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