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Offline Darth Fife

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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2012, 08:22:35 PM »
So you're against the rights of a private business owner dictating their own rules where hiring is concerned?

When those rules are base solely on the unconstitutional dictates of a increasingly tyrannical government, yes.

In 1930s Germany, private businesses (if they knew what was good for them) set rules that they would not hire Jews...

I would oppose that, too!
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In an ideal world, or at least in a better one than we have now. If a company decided that as part of its conditions for employment that no one could smoke pot either, then people would have the freedom of choice to work for that company or not. I'm all for that.

You seem to forget that the only reason (or at least the most common one) that company require drug tests for employees is because the Federal Government, in its infinite wisdom, has decided that it will outlaw the use of a substance which has been used by people socially and as part of religious ceremonies for 10s of thousands of years!

It is not about "safety of the motoring public". It is not about "public health and safety".

It is about control!

That is why the Federal Government wants pot to be illegal!
« Last Edit: December 09, 2012, 08:30:27 PM by Darth Fife »
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2012, 10:24:50 PM »
Why do neo-cons care so much about other people using pot ?

It really amazes me.
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2012, 04:20:40 AM »
Why do neo-cons care so much about other people using pot ?

It really amazes me.

Why do neo-libs care so much about other people's diets and what kind of car they drive and what kind of lightbulbs they own and what kind of power they produce and whether or not they own guns for self defense or what words they use?

It really amazes me.   :laugh:

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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2012, 05:20:40 AM »
When those rules are base solely on the unconstitutional dictates of a increasingly tyrannical government, yes.

In 1930s Germany, private businesses (if they knew what was good for them) set rules that they would not hire Jews...

I would oppose that, too!
 :rolleyes:

In an ideal world, or at least in a better one than we have now. If a company decided that as part of its conditions for employment that no one could smoke pot either, then people would have the freedom of choice to work for that company or not. I'm all for that.

You seem to forget that the only reason (or at least the most common one) that company require drug tests for employees is because the Federal Government, in its infinite wisdom, has decided that it will outlaw the use of a substance which has been used by people socially and as part of religious ceremonies for 10s of thousands of years!

It is not about "safety of the motoring public". It is not about "public health and safety".

It is about control!

That is why the Federal Government wants pot to be illegal!
Nope, just wanted a clarification on your point.
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2012, 05:22:39 AM »
Why do neo-libs care so much about other people's diets and what kind of car they drive and what kind of lightbulbs they own and what kind of power they produce and whether or not they own guns for self defense or what words they use?

It really amazes me.   :laugh:
They don't have an issue with it as long as the can still get high.
Wait till the day they limit the size of pizza you can buy based on body fat, then you'll see angry libs. :laugh:
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2012, 09:42:51 PM »
So, you approve of business (and the government BTW) of regulating what you do legally in your own home (or a friends home etc) own time?  :rolleyes:

Absolutely since the effects of drugs and alcohol lasts for some time and have different effects depending on ones idividual physiology what you do in your own home or anywhere else in private shows up in the work place.

 you want air traffic controllers to be high?

You want Truckers who work for private companies being stoned.

You want some idiot next to you on the assembly line doing PCP before his shift?


As a former employer and manager if and employee shows up stoned  (or drunk) I'll fire 'em..did it a few times and proud of it.

Use common sense man.

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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2012, 06:31:26 AM »
Absolutely since the effects of drugs and alcohol lasts for some time and have different effects depending on ones idividual physiology what you do in your own home or anywhere else in private shows up in the work place.

 you want air traffic controllers to be high?

You want Truckers who work for private companies being stoned.

You want some idiot next to you on the assembly line doing PCP before his shift?


As a former employer and manager if and employee shows up stoned  (or drunk) I'll fire 'em..did it a few times and proud of it.

Use common sense man.

Billy

Then to be consistent, you need to outlaw all alcohol products as well as start random breathalizer tests.

Of course, given you mind set, you'd probably agree with that.
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2012, 03:12:25 PM »
Then to be consistent, you need to outlaw all alcohol products as well as start random breathalizer tests.

Of course, given you mind set, you'd probably agree with that.

Drugs have ruined our society, they detract from the work place, our social life and impact the work place negatively.

As a former supervisor/manager and small business owner (private security) I am going to protect my business, the workplace and protect my fellow employee's from impaired co workers and of course our clients.

If not you may find yourself missing an ass which has been sued off of you.

"troubled employee's" of all types best take heed: zero tolerance for substance abuse. That means no alcohol or drugs on the work premises and you show up sober and straight. If protecting my investment means you pee in a cup, you pee in a cup or clean out your locker.

Now as a parting shot I will say that dealing with unionized employee's who are drunks, druggies or are caught in violation and want to protect their dues paying drones raise the same objections I see in the tone of your posts.

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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2012, 06:30:28 PM »
Drugs have ruined our society, they detract from the work place, our social life and impact the work place negatively.

As a former supervisor/manager and small business owner (private security) I am going to protect my business, the workplace and protect my fellow employee's from impaired co workers and of course our clients.

If not you may find yourself missing an ass which has been sued off of you.

"troubled employee's" of all types best take heed: zero tolerance for substance abuse. That means no alcohol or drugs on the work premises and you show up sober and straight. If protecting my investment means you pee in a cup, you pee in a cup or clean out your locker.

Now as a parting shot I will say that dealing with unionized employee's who are drunks, druggies or are caught in violation and want to protect their dues paying drones raise the same objections I see in the tone of your posts.

 :popcorn:

Billy

And I will say that your argument would have been right at home in NAZI German!

Or Stalinist Russia...

Or Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge...

Or Communist China...

etc, etc, etc... :popcorn:
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2012, 07:59:42 PM »
And I will say that your argument would have been right at home in NAZI German!

Or Stalinist Russia...

Or Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge...

Or Communist China...

etc, etc, etc... :popcorn:


And your opinion sounds like you would be more at home in a Union shop that protects the incompetent and hazardous.

http://www.torquenews.com/106/chrysler-ordered-rehire-workers-caught-drinking-smoking-pot-during-lunch

This is why I'll never buy another Chrylser/GMC.

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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2012, 08:02:07 PM »
That is the worst logic I have seen in a whole Billy Defiant.


Those workers were caught with alcohol as well, should we ban that too ?
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2012, 08:07:12 PM »
That is the worst logic I have seen in a whole Billy Defiant.


Those workers were caught with alcohol as well, should we ban that too ?

The point apparently went over the one on top of your head.
Back up, regroup and think about what I said before making a fool out of yourself any further.

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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2012, 08:22:15 PM »
Quote
The point apparently went over the one on top of your head.

Apparently it did.

Quote
Back up, regroup and think about what I said before making a fool out of yourself any further.

Yep. Your points aren't very coherent.

Is there any real point discussing things with you ? You think because a few people came to your work drunk/high it should mean that all forms of drugs should therefor be banned.

You want the government to involve itself in a social issue because you don't like drugs and alcohol. Then you call yourself a small government conservative.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Good work mateh
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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2012, 08:39:32 PM »
Apparently it did.

Yep. Your points aren't very coherent.

Is there any real point discussing things with you ? You think because a few people came to your work drunk/high it should mean that all forms of drugs should therefor be banned.

You want the government to involve itself in a social issue because you don't like drugs and alcohol. Then you call yourself a small government conservative.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Good work mateh

Yep, I would say the point went over the one on your head by a long shot.

Lets see if we can walk you through this so you will at least be on par with an orangutang pounding on a type writer.

We are discussing an Employer, a manager PROTECTING HIS BUSINESS
his clients and exercising a certain work place standard by not tolerating his employees engaging in conduct that is harmful...like getting drunk or high as a Bats ass then going back to the assembly line.

If you can't see the Logic behind that then you deserve to loose a finger
or buy a car from Chysler or GMC that cacthes on fire.

Unions are protectionist, hard to enforce standards when the Union tells
you you got to rehire employee's that are a danger to themselves and others.

And here I thought all you big time union people were big on safety standards. If I was a union man I wouldn't want these idiots working next to me or my friends...I'm sure you would and you'd probably be right there with them on the Marijuana and beer break.

In fact since you can't comprehend something so basic and simple as that I'd surmise youre probably stoned now.

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Re: The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2012, 09:06:47 PM »
Billy have you ever tried weed ? Or alcohol ?

As for your post, the only thing that I could grasp from it and agree with is that people shouldn't be drunk/high at work, especially if it is a health and safety issue. The rest of the post I have no idea what you are crapping on about.

I still don't understand how that then gets translated into government banning anyone from ever using these products.

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