The Pitfalls of Getting High Legally

Started by Solar, December 08, 2012, 01:39:23 PM

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Solar

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Just because Washington and Colorado legalized it, doesn't mean you have a legal right as far as the employer is concerned.


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That's why the ultimate goal of these Faux Libertarians is to have the Supreme Court step in and do a Roe v Wade and declare it a "privacy" issue so that no one can punish them for showing up at work or driving down the street stoned.  Wouldn't want the system to "commit violence" against them by putting them in "cages" like some animal!  :lol:

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LOL!

I opine that those of us that think this legal pot idea is just stupid should use the very same legal trick as the Liberals use.  Any company, organization or agency either private or public that receives Federal money in any form must not allow any associate or employee of that company, organization or agency to use drugs at any time.  Federal law take precedence.

Sort of a Goose and Gander thingie.
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Solar

Quote from: a777pilot on December 08, 2012, 03:03:06 PM
LOL!

I opine that those of us that think this legal pot idea is just stupid should use the very same legal trick as the Liberals use.  Any company, organization or agency either private or public that receives Federal money in any form must not allow any associate or employee of that company, organization or agency to use drugs at any time.  Federal law take precedence.

Sort of a Goose and Gander thingie.
Excellent idea, you should submit that one to your Rep.
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Most businesses have a "no drug' policy and some require urine tests to back it up....good for them.


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Quote from: Yawn on December 08, 2012, 02:33:45 PM
That's why the ultimate goal of these Faux Libertarians is to have the Supreme Court step in and do a Roe v Wade and declare it a "privacy" issue so that no one can punish them for showing up at work or driving down the street stoned.  Wouldn't want the system to "commit violence" against them by putting them in "cages" like some animal!  :lol:

That's a lie.

No libertarian would ever support any kind of forced association.

Anyone who does not recognize the forced caging of another to be a violent act, is simply not using their brain.

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Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
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Just because Washington and Colorado legalized it, doesn't mean you have a legal right as far as the employer is concerned.


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Sigh. Last I checked, most employers aren't in favor of you drinking on the job either.
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Solar

Quote from: mdgiles on December 09, 2012, 08:27:24 AM
Sigh. Last I checked, most employers aren't in favor of you drinking on the job either.
They don't tolerate a hangover either.
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Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 08, 2012, 07:03:30 PM
Most businesses have a "no drug' policy and some require urine tests to back it up....good for them.


Billy

So, you approve of business (and the government BTW) of regulating what you do legally in your own home (or a friends home etc) own time?  :rolleyes:


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Quote from: a777pilot on December 08, 2012, 03:03:06 PM
LOL!

I opine that those of us that think this legal pot idea is just stupid should use the very same legal trick as the Liberals use.  Any company, organization or agency either private or public that receives Federal money in any form must not allow any associate or employee of that company, organization or agency to use drugs at any time.  Federal law take precedence.

Sort of a Goose and Gander thingie.

If Federal Law takes precedence, then why bother even having separate states and separate state governments?

Why not just do away with the 10th Amendment right now?


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Quote from: Darth Fife on December 09, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
So, you approve of business (and the government BTW) of regulating what you do legally in your own home (or a friends home etc) own time?  :rolleyes:
As a commercial driver, I have to take exception to that.  In situations of public safety like this, then yes, the employer and the government have every right to regulate such behavior.  Would you want 40 tons of tractor trailer barrelling right into you with the driver stoned out of his mind?
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Quote from: Bassman on December 09, 2012, 01:20:58 PM
As a commercial driver, I have to take exception to that.  In situations of public safety like this, then yes, the employer and the government have every right to regulate such behavior.  Would you want 40 tons of tractor trailer barrelling right into you with the driver stoned out of his mind?

So, I guess you don't drink - ever?

My point being, (BTW I've driven double belly dumps and I'm a certified pilot/escort for oversized loads. Currently, I drive a courier van), drug tests administered by the government and private companies are invasive of people's private lives. They don't legally distinguish whether or not the person involved was "under the influence" while they were working or if they had used the substance privately on their own time - with no impact on safety or performance on the job.

This whole "safety of the motoring public" reasoning is just total bullshit! I don't give a rats ass if a driver gets stoned over the weekend just as long as he is straight when he comes to work on Monday! Just like I don't care if a driver get drunk off his ass on Saturday, as long as he is sober and ready to work on Monday.

And, for the record, you don't need a urine test to know if someone is stoned (or drunk for that matter) on the job.

Solar

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 09, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
So, I guess you don't drink - ever?

My point being, (BTW I've driven double belly dumps and I'm a certified pilot/escort for oversized loads. Currently, I drive a courier van), drug tests administered by the government and private companies are invasive of people's private lives. They don't legally distinguish whether or not the person involved was "under the influence" while they were working or if they had used the substance privately on their own time - with no impact on safety or performance on the job.

This whole "safety of the motoring public" reasoning is just total bullshit! I don't give a rats ass if a driver gets stoned over the weekend just as long as he is straight when he comes to work on Monday! Just like I don't care if a driver get drunk off his ass on Saturday, as long as he is sober and ready to work on Monday.

And, for the record, you don't need a urine test to know if someone is stoned (or drunk for that matter) on the job.
So you're against the rights of a private business owner dictating their own rules where hiring is concerned?
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Quote from: Darth Fife on December 09, 2012, 11:54:31 AM
If Federal Law takes precedence, then why bother even having separate states and separate state governments?

Why not just do away with the 10th Amendment right now?

Good question.  Please ask the voters of CA or AZ or many other States which have passed laws or State Constitutional amendments that this current federal government do not like, then says that federal law takes precedence.

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Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
So you're against the rights of a private business owner dictating their own rules where hiring is concerned?
Not just that, but the states' respective Departments of Transportation.
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