The Great American Racism Hoax (video)

Started by Randal, August 18, 2017, 10:29:15 AM

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Quote from: Randal on August 18, 2017, 08:58:57 PM
I was thinking about what a couple of people said here and realized they are like you perhaps the type who probably don't need the history and alternate thinking found in the commentary anyway. More for people who are not hardcore liberals yet and may still have open minds to begin understanding how the whole racism thing is a psy-op rather than any genuine concern from the leftist media at all.

Could be I wasted time bothering altogether, however. We'll see. I experiment with varying ways of trying to be useful in this war, in this life.

PS: It's really an audio. Think of like a radio program. I should have put it that way up top.

Randal ... my opinion. There's some crotchety old farts on this site and some have geographically isolated themselves which brings a different perspective ... sometimes good, sometimes a little warped. I have been the target of a few beat-downs - some deserved after I've explored a bit more. The do seem to press on new folks coming on who might be trolls and who need to figure out the rules of clear and polite posting.

But I find it worth it and keep coming back. The question that I always ask of myself and anyone is whether the value it brings outweighs the trouble it costs. In this case, it usually does over the long-term. Some pretty interesting topics go by this site and some of those crotchety old farts share some pretty great experiences once in awhile - there is wisdom buried that they let out occasionally - but sometimes you just get the farts.

So I guess I'm saying to take their advice where it makes sense and enjoy the dialogue and debate. I've been put in the penalty box prior - but decided it's worth sticking around. The conservative nature of this site makes some of the thinking more relevant for me.

The main question I ask myself daily is whether this exchange makes any difference or if we're just yapping and nothing real is being moved. I'm still asking myself that question. It does shape my thinking - I think in a good way. I've also found that I can influence others in some cases; in particular I've taught on the fact we're not a democracy to about a dozen people now who hadn't thought through what a conservative really is. So there have been about a dozen voters affected by my participation. But that's such a small drop in the bucket of really making anything of priority change.

So, take that for what it's worth. Free advice is usually worth what you paid for it.  :wink:

Solar

Quote from: Randal on August 18, 2017, 08:58:57 PM
I was thinking about what a couple of people said here and realized they are like you perhaps the type who probably don't need the history and alternate thinking found in the commentary anyway. More for people who are not hardcore liberals yet and may still have open minds to begin understanding how the whole racism thing is a psy-op rather than any genuine concern from the leftist media at all.

Could be I wasted time bothering altogether, however. We'll see. I experiment with varying ways of trying to be useful in this war, in this life.

PS: It's really an audio. Think of like a radio program. I should have put it that way up top.
Randal, I'd prefer to read it rather than listen, so maybe you can be a bit more concise if you were to put it down in print?
Maybe do a preface or short summary, then if the reader is intrigued, they won't stop reading.

Most people that attend forums don't have a whole lot of time to spend after spending the previous hour or two digesting the news elsewhere, then come here to share what they've gleaned, post a brief OP and most likely call it a day.
A video is asking them to cut into their normal routine, but a short OP in writing on the racism hoax is more apt to catch their eye, then you can post a link to youtube, or to further reading of your piece.

Point is, you have to give your target audience a reason to continue. No offense, I really mean this as constructive. Your mug on the video is not going to attract anyone, you may want to put a babe, or a puppy on the video instead of your unshaven mug. Men love puppies and hot babes :wink:
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Quote from: topside on August 19, 2017, 04:20:51 AM
Randal ... my opinion. There's some crotchety old farts on this site and some have geographically isolated themselves which brings a different perspective ... sometimes good, sometimes a little warped. I have been the target of a few beat-downs - some deserved after I've explored a bit more. The do seem to press on new folks coming on who might be trolls and who need to figure out the rules of clear and polite posting.
We've always done that, but usually it's to shake out their true positions.  Not so much as of late I guess, but we used to get new members who'd position themselves as conservatives, then once they feel like they're in the groove turn around and try to push RINO GOP crap on us.  Plus we want real discussions and if we can knock someone off their plank with a few jabs then they weren't really on stable footing in the first place -- which is fine, but at least we know it and puts them in a position to either argue it or stay and absorb.  We have a solid A-Team here when it's go time (we came from a previous forum) but we haven't really had to anywhere near like we used to.

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But I find it worth it and keep coming back. The question that I always ask of myself and anyone is whether the value it brings outweighs the trouble it costs. In this case, it usually does over the long-term. Some pretty interesting topics go by this site and some of those crotchety old farts share some pretty great experiences once in awhile - there is wisdom buried that they let out occasionally - but sometimes you just get the farts.

So I guess I'm saying to take their advice where it makes sense and enjoy the dialogue and debate. I've been put in the penalty box prior - but decided it's worth sticking around. The conservative nature of this site makes some of the thinking more relevant for me.
...and they said we couldn't train you!

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The main question I ask myself daily is whether this exchange makes any difference or if we're just yapping and nothing real is being moved. I'm still asking myself that question. It does shape my thinking - I think in a good way. I've also found that I can influence others in some cases; in particular I've taught on the fact we're not a democracy to about a dozen people now who hadn't thought through what a conservative really is. So there have been about a dozen voters affected by my participation. But that's such a small drop in the bucket of really making anything of priority change.
...and those dozen may cause another dozen to open their minds, and on and on.

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Quotesome crotchety old farts on this site

Some of us crotchety old farts have been done Political Discussion Forum for over 25 years.   We do know what it takes for a good Political Discussion Forum.  Some of us go all the way back to the old AT&T political forum also know as The Palace of Mean.™ 

Remember this is a Conservative Political Tea Party Forum.  We do let Liberal, but they need to post true facts and data.  We even call on Conservative to post facts, data and links and be set to back up there posts when call to do so. 
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Solar

Quote from: topside on August 19, 2017, 04:20:51 AM
Randal ... my opinion. There's some crotchety old farts on this site and some have geographically isolated themselves which brings a different perspective
You do realize the individual you speak of, foots the bill for this forum, of which happens to be a "crotchety old fart" so kids can learn and grow from the wisdom dredged by those in kind over decades, so folks not fortunate enough to venture beyond the safe womb of a city pushing a biased view on others.
A forum full of people, many of which have escaped, said bounds of city life and formed our opinions from traveling the world, experiencing a life many merely dream of, afforded, only by a Bill of Rights and Constitution that saw to it we had the right to pursue our dreams on a level playing field.

Over the years I've learned, it is best to keep one's ignorance behind sealed lips, so as not to infect the unknowing around them.
It would be best to let Randal come to his own conclusions, rather than trust someone he's never met, at nearly half his age.
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Ahh ... I'm about 85% crotchety old fart at this point too. I think it becomes a natural bent as we age because we don't have as much energy to beat around the bush and just  get to the point more abruptly. I felt that Randal was trying and so to welcome him with more than a hello ... a little bit of information.

You run the site Solar. You're the Sheriff. And the Mayor. And when your law is broken, you send people to the pokey or life in solitary if their too disruptive. You do a fine job and thank you for running the forum. But, sometimes, you are a crotchety old fart. :cool:

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Quote from: topside on August 20, 2017, 05:47:22 PM
Ahh ... I'm about 85% crotchety old fart at this point too. I think it becomes a natural bent as we age because we don't have as much energy to beat around the bush and just  get to the point more abruptly. I felt that Randal was trying and so to welcome him with more than a hello ... a little bit of information.

You run the site Solar. You're the Sheriff. And the Mayor. And when your law is broken, you send people to the pokey or life in solitary if their too disruptive. You do a fine job and thank you for running the forum. But, sometimes, you are a crotchety old fart. :cool:

:lol:  I keep telling people Solar is the nice one.  :lol:
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Solar

Quote from: topside on August 20, 2017, 05:47:22 PM
Ahh ... I'm about 85% crotchety old fart at this point too. I think it becomes a natural bent as we age because we don't have as much energy to beat around the bush and just  get to the point more abruptly. I felt that Randal was trying and so to welcome him with more than a hello ... a little bit of information.

You run the site Solar. You're the Sheriff. And the Mayor. And when your law is broken, you send people to the pokey or life in solitary if their too disruptive. You do a fine job and thank you for running the forum. But, sometimes, you are a crotchety old fart. :cool:
Guilty as charged, but a caveat to this is, where Conservative principles are concerned, I'm never wrong, and challenge anyone to prove me wrong at any time.
I never take anything personal, but I will stand my ground until someone can prove otherwise.
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Like others are doing or possibly learning to do, the project presents just another small (and somewhat lousy) effort by an amateur to help out in the war of evil deceit raging over where America is heading and how we got here. Things are getting weirder and more dangerous by the week, as everyone can see.

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Hardly my intention to provoke but I suggest that we, as both a nation and a people,
have absolutely nothing to apologize for concerning racism/slavery. Nothing!
Consider the timeline below.

Slavery and its first cousin Racism, were endemic within Black African Culture from it's very earliest days; being contemporaneous w/Egypt during the Pharaohs; the residue of chronic and continuous tribal warfare. 
Prisoners, being a spoil of war; were either executed or sold into bondage.
The Arabs, pre-Muslim,  were their slave bus drivers along the East African Coast supplying the
great markets at Jeddah and Yanbu on the Red Sea, w/ hundreds of thousands over centuries.
In time, the Portuguese came to Africa to acquire slaves for their farms/plantations in Angola and Mozambique.
Later the British did the same for their rice, sugar and tobacco operations in the Caribbean.
In 1619, the British brought the first African Slaves to Jamestown, Virginia; a practice that continued throughout the Colonial Period.
Then in 1783, Yorktown effectively ended British Rule; while in 1863, Lincoln effectively ended Slavery w/his Emancipation Proclamation; a span of 80 years during which we had direct control of Slavery!!!!
So were are the eternal bad guys for those 80 years are we????
Only a guilt ridden ignoramus addicted to apologizing would succumb to a neurosis such as this.

Solar

Quote from: Walter Josh on August 21, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
Like others are doing or possibly learning to do, the project presents just another small (and somewhat lousy) effort by an amateur to help out in the war of evil deceit raging over where America is heading and how we got here. Things are getting weirder and more dangerous by the week, as everyone can see.

The Great American Racism Hoax[/
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Hardly my intention to provoke but I suggest that we, as both a nation and a people,
have absolutely nothing to apologize for concerning racism/slavery. Nothing!
Consider the timeline below.

Slavery and its first cousin Racism, were endemic within Black African Culture from it's very earliest days; being contemporaneous w/Egypt during the Pharaohs; the residue of chronic and continuous tribal warfare. 
Prisoners, being a spoil of war; were either executed or sold into bondage.
The Arabs, pre-Muslim,  were their slave bus drivers along the East African Coast supplying the
great markets at Jeddah and Yanbu on the Red Sea, w/ hundreds of thousands over centuries.
In time, the Portuguese came to Africa to acquire slaves for their farms/plantations in Angola and Mozambique.
Later the British did the same for their rice, sugar and tobacco operations in the Caribbean.
In 1619, the British brought the first African Slaves to Jamestown, Virginia; a practice that continued throughout the Colonial Period.
Then in 1783, Yorktown effectively ended British Rule; while in 1863, Lincoln effectively ended Slavery w/his Emancipation Proclamation; a span of 80 years during which we had direct control of Slavery!!!!
So were are the eternal bad guys for those 80 years are we????
Only a guilt ridden ignoramus addicted to apologizing would succumb to a neurosis such as this.
I appreciate your attempt at quoting, but was this excerpted from the video OP?
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I am working on a revised version right now. It will be shorter but not down to Readers Digest length. My skill set has not been able to make things short very often. A couple of the political uploads came in under 5 minutes. They were uncomplicated single-issue narratives though. Good advice either way.

What I will focus on in addition to revising to cut out minutes that can go without hacking the message is just asking people to share it with those who don't know what we know, innocent liberals who are swallowing the media race-baiting hateful seditious crap going on.

Or maybe I can look around and find a much briefer work done by someone else that contains the same message, then just try sharing it. If mine are too long for people to even look at, that means the entire goal is getting lost in the process. Must rethink technique.

Quote from: s3779m on August 19, 2017, 04:16:58 AM
You"re not wasting your time, what little I watched backs up what I have felt along. I for one, and there are others, don't have the hour of spare time. I hop on this forum in bits and pieces of time when I can. Hope you can give us the readers digest version next time.

Randal

Quote from: topside on August 19, 2017, 04:20:51 AM
Free advice is usually worth what you paid for it.  :wink:
What you wrote seems to me worth more than the humble self-appraisal of nothing. Thanks for taking the time. Helping a few people break out of the brainwashing actively being applied in our time might be all that most of us ever accomplish on that aspect of living. It is frustrating when seeing important weapons being ignored by the people who do have influences at Fox News, on the internet and talk radio. Lots of great work done in those mediums.

Just a handful of very important arguments seem to get missed by them over and over. That's where my adrenaline tends to kick in and prompt one of these rants trying to throw a little bomb into the conversation.

The timeout thing you mentioned is a little intimidating, if you meant it literally. I tend to flee from sites with heavy moderating because I am the type who irritates part of the crowd, done on purpose, by the way.

topside

Quote from: Randal on August 21, 2017, 01:34:03 PM
I am working on a revised version right now. It will be shorter but not down to Readers Digest length. My skill set has not been able to make things short very often. A couple of the political uploads came in under 5 minutes. They were uncomplicated single-issue narratives though. Good advice either way.

What I will focus on in addition to revising to cut out minutes that can go without hacking the message is just asking people to share it with those who don't know what we know, innocent liberals who are swallowing the media race-baiting hateful seditious crap going on.

Or maybe I can look around and find a much briefer work done by someone else that contains the same message, then just try sharing it. If mine are too long for people to even look at, that means the entire goal is getting lost in the process. Must rethink technique.

You might be over-complicating. Most in the 21st century have the attention span of a goldfish. But if they get hooked, they'll want more. You need an "elevator speech" - short intro (preferably posted in text) to introduce your main points. Then, if people are interested in looking a little further, provide a link to view something that is more rich in detail. That's SOP for almost any type of digestible communication. Most people don't ever get to viewing, much less creating, the lengthy analysis that has the rich substance. So you're different than most from that perspective.

Example: I was in a dialogue early with Solar and mentioned how our Democracy worked. It was like stepping on a land mine. He schooled me on how we are not a Democracy and pointed me to a 15 minute video that explained his position. In that case, I found his position compelling enough to go the extra and learned some important things from it.

That's what you're going for - if you think your point is so strong, compel others in a brief intro to go look at it - but make the point concise in the intro so no one has to go look at it to get the main idea.

Randal

Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2017, 07:00:25 AM
Randal, I'd prefer to read it rather than listen, so maybe you can be a bit more concise if you were to put it down in print?
I am revising the video (which is really an audio) trying to clip some parts out, that while adding background stuff making it more interesting and informative. Either way, I may transcribe into text and put it on Amazon as a book because they allow that. I've already got one on their site. Lot of work transcribing is all.


QuoteMaybe do a preface or short summary, then if the reader is intrigued, they won't stop reading.
The title itself is supposed to intriguing. I don't think that's proving to be enough at this point.


QuoteMost people that attend forums don't have a whole lot of time to spend after spending the previous hour or two digesting the news elsewhere, then come here to share what they've gleaned,
A possibly accurate observation.


Quoteyou may want to put a babe, or a puppy on the video instead of your unshaven mug. Men love puppies and hot babes :wink:
That I know for sure is good advice.

Randal

Quote from: Walter Josh on August 21, 2017, 12:57:31 PM


Hardly my intention to provoke but I suggest that we, as both a nation and a people, have absolutely nothing to apologize for concerning racism/slavery.
We have arrived at a similar conclusion.


So were are the eternal bad guys for those 80 years are we???? Only a guilt ridden ignoramus addicted to apologizing would succumb to a neurosis such as this.
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Excellent summation of racism history. Wish I knew that much before recording the audio. I will part with you only on the impetus for people apologizing being a neurosis. My take is that the professional liars at CBS ABC NBC NPR NYT and more got our population to swallow a massive distortion of history leading to where people believe they are rationally offering an apology. Get some truth into their fact-starved minds and all hell would break loose about the begging surrendering little weenies we have become.