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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2017, 10:56:35 AM »
The real point, or question, "Were it not for government intervention (CASH), who is Elon Musk?".

I doubt it.  Well.... maybe he would have found another way to fleece investors, and his name would be plastered on tabloids, "Musk pleads guilty to investor fraud!"
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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2017, 06:30:08 PM »
OK.
I'll start here. Musk/Tesla isn't alone in his vision, he's supported by other major corporations, Ford, Microshaft, several battery manufactures, mining interests and the list goes on.
They're all interested in taxpayer backing because, with the govt on the hook for backing, it virtually guarantees success through monopolized Legislation picking winners and killing off the little guy.
Here's what they have in mind, and it all ties into the "Smart Meter", that should tell you how long this has been in the planning stages.

They plan on replacing the gas engine with an electric grid, one that charges the car as it moves, batteries as it leaves the grid, charging at home overnight, all this, while the govt tracks your every move.
Like the Internet, the govt can literally shut you down at any moment, take away your ability of free movement. An uprising against Govt in Az? Govt shuts down the grid, cuts off your ability to move people.
There is sooo much more to the equation, but you get the idea and why we need to stop the "Green" movement, it has nothing to do with the environment, and everything to do with control over the masses in removing our Freedom and Liberty.
That was the idea behind the global warming move, controlling energy output, make our sole source of energy morally wrong, kill the evil coal and fossil fuel industry and introduce solar (insert smiling sun, butterflies and children playing happily), manipulate the next generation into believing gasolind driven cars and those who own them as the enemy.

Solar - you're in a very different place than I on the conspiracy ideas. I don't discount them and see logic behind how it could be happening ... but it's hard to swallow in a first reading. If true, that's quite a devastating plot.

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Beyond tourism, what will SpaceX do? Why is it essential to the security of the nation? Nasa was pretty much given the green light in the space race against the Russians, we landed on the moon and won.
Beyond military applications, NASA has no business being involved in private industry, beyond it being another dark hole for Congress to funnel money to its supporters as in payoffs and bribes.
If SpaceX wants to fly, they can do it like all other young startups did, by using private investors.

If viable, I would look to SpaceX and follow-ons to begin the trials of populating other planets using their natural resources. It's stuff of science fiction ... but so was walking on the moon before 1950.
 
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Maybe this analogy will help you see that govt has grown way beyond the binds our Founders placed on the Godless structure.
Just imagine if govt had taken sides in the auto industry, pitted the buggy industry against Henry Ford, used environmental laws to stifle his growth, the Commerce Clause to tie his hands at moving product across state lines, or export abroad?
Point being, Government has crossed the line of regulation and moved to choosing what it deems "Good For Society", something the people as a whole used to do through the free mkt.

OOOPs, I missed the rest of the paragraph.
"usefulness to economy"? What has that to do with Free mkt principles?

Oh - I'm amazed at how the founding fathers saw the plight of involving government and am more than convinced that minimal government is central part of a free nation / republic like our. So you're preaching to the choir on this point. Even if government has good intentions now, what about after the next election. Sustaining ethics will always be a problem with the government as you've pointed out in some of your other posts.

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So what? Where does govt have the right to tell you or I what to do with our money, how we invest or who we exploit, or help to further our goals?
Govt is actually a hindrance when monetary growth is concerned, by using banking regulations to micro manipulate the economy, in how we invest, hoard or spend money.
Again, to grasp this line of thinking more clearly, giving one an ability to toss out the pap and filler of govt intervention, one must read and digest the Federalist Papers and the Constitution.
Whether Musk believes in the Green movement or not, I have no idea, but what he does believe in, is finding ways to get taxpayer dollars and the commie Green movement was the very teat he latched on to.
This option needs to be severed, the govt teats need to be removed, it has no business in business, period!

Agree on all counts with your comment above. But I'm still looking at a hole in my thinking: What should happen when the private sector / free economy fails to solve a critical societal problem. There are many problems that fit this type and we've seen how government intervention does NOT work. So government intervention is a bad idea. Assuming the private citizens of our republic don't step up to solve the problems locally, the only other option is to do nothing? So, in the poverty example, just let the children starve - that's the natural outcome? I know conservatives don't think that way ... that would be terrible ... Stalen-esque. 

I believe in the greatness of true Americans - that given the vision and on-ramps, they will step into the gaps. We see it all the time in our soldiers (domestic and abroad) who go into harms way. For some reason, we can't seem to get the same take-the-hill response in solving many societal gaps other than give it to the government ... which is a fail that I think conservatives aren't addressing and liberals use to gain control. If we got it right, it would severely damage the liberal agenda. I believe that, given the right impetus, those who can step in and solve these problems (outside the government) will. Schools, hospitals, etc. came from those of faith who banned together to stand in the gap - that's the type of solution that can scale up and address some of the gaps. But how does it get motivated?

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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2017, 06:33:42 PM »
The real point, or question, "Were it not for government intervention (CASH), who is Elon Musk?".

I doubt it.  Well.... maybe he would have found another way to fleece investors, and his name would be plastered on tabloids, "Musk pleads guilty to investor fraud!"

I believe Musk capitalized (literally) on Pay Pal and then found the vein of government funding for Tesla / SpaceX and started mining there. I do think he's innovative ... but now dependent on the teet. So he has become no one without government cash - sold his soul.

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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2017, 05:40:32 AM »
Solar - you're in a very different place than I on the conspiracy ideas. I don't discount them and see logic behind how it could be happening ... but it's hard to swallow in a first reading. If true, that's quite a devastating plot.
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If viable, I would look to SpaceX and follow-ons to begin the trials of populating other planets using their natural resources. It's stuff of science fiction ... but so was walking on the moon before 1950.
 
Oh - I'm amazed at how the founding fathers saw the plight of involving government and am more than convinced that minimal government is central part of a free nation / republic like our. So you're preaching to the choir on this point. Even if government has good intentions now, what about after the next election. Sustaining ethics will always be a problem with the government as you've pointed out in some of your other posts.

Agree on all counts with your comment above. But I'm still looking at a hole in my thinking: What should happen when the private sector / free economy fails to solve a critical societal problem. There are many problems that fit this type and we've seen how government intervention does NOT work. So government intervention is a bad idea. Assuming the private citizens of our republic don't step up to solve the problems locally, the only other option is to do nothing? So, in the poverty example, just let the children starve - that's the natural outcome? I know conservatives don't think that way ... that would be terrible ... Stalen-esque. 

I believe in the greatness of true Americans - that given the vision and on-ramps, they will step into the gaps. We see it all the time in our soldiers (domestic and abroad) who go into harms way. For some reason, we can't seem to get the same take-the-hill response in solving many societal gaps other than give it to the government ... which is a fail that I think conservatives aren't addressing and liberals use to gain control. If we got it right, it would severely damage the liberal agenda. I believe that, given the right impetus, those who can step in and solve these problems (outside the government) will. Schools, hospitals, etc. came from those of faith who banned together to stand in the gap - that's the type of solution that can scale up and address some of the gaps. But how does it get motivated?
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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2017, 07:04:35 AM »
Solar - you're in a very different place than I on the conspiracy ideas. I don't discount them and see logic behind how it could be happening ... but it's hard to swallow in a first reading. If true, that's quite a devastating plot.

If viable, I would look to SpaceX and follow-ons to begin the trials of populating other planets using their natural resources. It's stuff of science fiction ... but so was walking on the moon before 1950.
 
Oh - I'm amazed at how the founding fathers saw the plight of involving government and am more than convinced that minimal government is central part of a free nation / republic like our. So you're preaching to the choir on this point. Even if government has good intentions now, what about after the next election. Sustaining ethics will always be a problem with the government as you've pointed out in some of your other posts.

Agree on all counts with your comment above. But I'm still looking at a hole in my thinking: What should happen when the private sector / free economy fails to solve a critical societal problem. There are many problems that fit this type and we've seen how government intervention does NOT work. So government intervention is a bad idea. Assuming the private citizens of our republic don't step up to solve the problems locally, the only other option is to do nothing? So, in the poverty example, just let the children starve - that's the natural outcome? I know conservatives don't think that way ... that would be terrible ... Stalen-esque. 

I believe in the greatness of true Americans - that given the vision and on-ramps, they will step into the gaps. We see it all the time in our soldiers (domestic and abroad) who go into harms way. For some reason, we can't seem to get the same take-the-hill response in solving many societal gaps other than give it to the government ... which is a fail that I think conservatives aren't addressing and liberals use to gain control. If we got it right, it would severely damage the liberal agenda. I believe that, given the right impetus, those who can step in and solve these problems (outside the government) will. Schools, hospitals, etc. came from those of faith who banned together to stand in the gap - that's the type of solution that can scale up and address some of the gaps. But how does it get motivated?
I don't do conspiracies.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/is-big-brother-watching-you/msg202964/#msg202964

Excerpt, yes, Musk sees gas as evil.

Acknowledging that Tesla’s small production volumes can in no way build electric cars fast enough to meet a global fleet of 2 billion cars, Musk expressed the belief that the electric car industry shouldn’t be fighting itself — but gasoline cars.

https://transportevolved.com/2014/06/12/elon-musk-electric-car-world-patents-patents/

Driving a gas car is like littering on a camping trail, smoking on an airplane, and throwing a big stack of paper in the trash, and it’s just a matter of time until public disgust catches up to it.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/06/how-tesla-will-change-your-life.html

Apple has already entered the car mkt.
Apple wants its electric car ready by 2019
https://www.theverge.com/apple/2015/9/21/9365833/apple-electric-car-2019-report

Autonomous cars, future.
Apple, Google, Tesla and the race to electric self-driving cars
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/apple-google-tesla-and-race-electric-self-driving-cars

France and Normandy already investing in solar roads.

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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2017, 11:29:45 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What did I predict? :thumbsup:

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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2017, 12:11:08 PM »
You da man Solar!  :thumbup:
I'm just glad Trump saw through the BS and put a stop to it.
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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2017, 06:17:27 PM »
One thing for sure, with a Capitalization of $800,000 per car in Denmark... if you buy one, it'll immediately tag you as a wicked capitalist, setting you apart from the rest of the Danes.

But, Tesla is for high-brow rich liberal SOBs children, just like Subaru (which settled on the high oil consumption issue), is for the feel-good old-fart environmentalists.
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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2017, 09:04:01 AM »
I have this feeling that Musk will change his tune - will now admit that global warming is a hoax.

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The car batteries used in a Tesla generate as much CO2 as driving a gasoline-powered car for eight years. And that’s before they even come off the production line.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/

Uh oh.  :unsure: Not sure if the sales or subsidies will dry up faster.

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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2017, 09:15:46 AM »
I have this feeling that Musk will change his tune - will now admit that global warming is a hoax.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/

Uh oh.  :unsure: Not sure if the sales or subsidies will dry up faster.

They put in a Tesla charging stations for 6 cars over a year ago.  I have yet to see more then one car using it a time.  In over a year that I know of there has been only 5 cars using them.  But then I only go into town 2 times a week.
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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2017, 04:04:59 PM »
They put in a Tesla charging stations for 6 cars over a year ago.  I have yet to see more then one car using it a time.  In over a year that I know of there has been only 5 cars using them.  But then I only go into town 2 times a week.

Installed 20amp receptacles into the bike racks...LOL  Interesting ways to meet other "greenies"...

"Hi, I'm Elon, I just stopped in for a quickie... charge, plug in here often?  You know how it is, the summer heat kills those batteries - last week one exploded by SpaceX and we mistook it for a launch..."  :scared:
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Re: The End of Commie Green Subsidies and Elon Musk
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2017, 06:58:11 AM »
I have this feeling that Musk will change his tune - will now admit that global warming is a hoax.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/

Uh oh.  :unsure: Not sure if the sales or subsidies will dry up faster.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/23/tesla-may-build-electric-car-plant-in-china/
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Tesla is considering manufacturing electric cars in China in order to bypass a 25 percent tariff on vehicles imported into the country.
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China’s central government requires all foreign auto manufacturers to partner with a Chinese based company in order to build on Chinese soil, with the foreign company owning no more than 50 percent of the business.

However, both China and Tesla have much to gain from cooperating in the venture.

It's not about the environment - find me ANYTHING about saving the environment that's not fairy-tale stuff.
Follow the money - Musk is about M-O-N-E-Y.   Cornering the market, leveraging & cashing in!  If it means Communist China OWNS it, who the heck cares, damn the environment, he can produce cars cheaper where there are no environmental & worker regulations.

Expect to hear workers or the environment, contaminated by Lithium, next.
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