Quote from: Dori on May 25, 2015, 09:12:39 AM
I agree with that.  It all comes down to personal responsibility and the black community is going to have to change their culture from within.  This is where we really need to support black people, especially black conservatives.  I can't imagine anything harder to be in this day and age.

I am tired of this. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE "BLACK COMMUNITY"! I'm really getting tired of whites pointing at the problems of some of the Inner cities and then acting as if all blacks are unemployed, on welfare or illegitimate. Here's an idea start assuming blacks are individuals just like whites. I'm sitting in my own house, out here in the suburbs - where most blacks live (along with rural areas), typing on my own computer; wondering what the f**k this "Black Community" people are ALWAYS talking about is.

Quote from: mdgiles on May 25, 2015, 09:11:30 AM
Affirmative Action was started by a REPUBLICAN President - Richard Nixon. Now you can make the case that it has outlived it's usefulness; but to say there was no reason for it in the beginning, is to ignore history, not to mention a barefaced lie. After three hundred years of slavery and a hundred years of LEGAL discrimination, blacks needed a helping hand. Now blacks mostly get blamed for all the other groups that glommed unto it.

WRONG!!! JFK started this bull shit!

Quote from: mdgiles on May 25, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
I am tired of this. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE "BLACK COMMUNITY"! I'm really getting tired of whites pointing at the problems of some of the Inner cities and then acting as if all blacks are unemployed, on welfare or illegitimate. Here's an idea start assuming blacks are individuals just like whites. I'm sitting in my own house, out here in the suburbs - where most blacks live (along with rural areas), typing on my own computer; wondering what the f**k this "Black Community" people are ALWAYS talking about is.

You know what we mean.  We're talking about the inner cities and the high crime rates and the high number of fatherless kids in those communities.

Quote from: mdgiles on May 25, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
I am tired of this. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE "BLACK COMMUNITY"! I'm really getting tired of whites pointing at the problems of some of the Inner cities and then acting as if all blacks are unemployed, on welfare or illegitimate. Here's an idea start assuming blacks are individuals just like whites. I'm sitting in my own house, out here in the suburbs - where most blacks live (along with rural areas), typing on my own computer; wondering what the f**k this "Black Community" people are ALWAYS talking about is.

The issue I see is the MSM and democrats ignore those who are hard working, loyal and productive citizens. This is by design as they must have a dependent group and it all began with LBJ.

Quote from: mdgiles on May 25, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
I am tired of this. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE "BLACK COMMUNITY"! I'm really getting tired of whites pointing at the problems of some of the Inner cities and then acting as if all blacks are unemployed, on welfare or illegitimate. Here's an idea start assuming blacks are individuals just like whites. I'm sitting in my own house, out here in the suburbs - where most blacks live (along with rural areas), typing on my own computer; wondering what the f**k this "Black Community" people are ALWAYS talking about is.

From what I can tell it's the area that white people do not feel safe in day or night.  You know the area you can walk in safely alone and your white Neighbor(s) can not.  It's that "Black Community"!!!!!

The black community is where white people don't dare to go.
This is the areas that needs an attitude adjustment.

Quote from: Bigwater on May 24, 2015, 04:28:13 PM
What I discovered, despite major efforts at recruitment at high schools, colleges and other venues, was that most members of the black community DID NOT WANT TO BE POLICE OFFICERS.   I had a very intelligent black female working for me in my records unit who was a single mother.   If she had become a police officer her salary would have doubled.   She would not take the job I offered due to pressure from her black community that considered black police officers to be traitors. 

Thanks for that extensive and well composed testimony, Chief Bigwater. Not the first time you've written it, no doubt.

Yeah, so there is a certain Seminole pride in the Florida black community that sets them apart from their cohorts in most of the other states, you know, never have surrendered.
I personally know of a 4th grade black child of the project who, after receiving notice that she had  tested into the gifted and talented, 130 IQ, burst into tears and refused to accept it. I have often wondered if some of those tears may have been shed for the limits she had voluntarily placed on herself for the sake of pressure from the project peer group.  After life beat her up a little more, did she wind up down at CFS, couple of kids in tow, signing up for assistance?  I'll never know.

Not one to make excuses, but on the lookout for reasons, I think we throw all the ingredients into the grinder, turn the handle, and come out with un-named, undiagnosed
psychological profiles that seem somehow incomprehensible. I can't imagine a white, even a hardened white criminal, seeing an officer as a traitor to the race. Yet with blacks, it seems almost part of the experience.

Sheriff Clarke, Milwaukee, blames lack of consequences, lack of accountability. That is in line with addressing the whole package of damage done by liberals. Gary North claims its all a big game, Progressives achieving power and position by effectively gerrymandering the entire social fabric and ethic; and, seemingly, getting away with it.

As noted, there are several on this forum with law enforcement or military backgrounds and experience. I look forward to hearing more of this input, especially now that Al Sharpton's legions have stated their objectives.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 25, 2015, 10:46:36 AM
The issue I see is the MSM and democrats ignore those who are hard working, loyal and productive citizens. This is by design as they must have a dependent group and it all began with LBJ.

Of course they ignore them...

Those blacks are probably voting Republican.

Quote from: darroll on May 25, 2015, 11:12:47 AM
The black community is where white people don't dare to go.
This is the areas that needs an attitude adjustment.

There are plenty of blacks who are fearful of their own communities.  I knew a black family that always came to our house for holiday's etc.  They told plenty of stories about hiding under their beds when the guns started ringing through the neighborhood, for fear of a bullet coming through a window or wall. 

You go into certain areas of Los Angeles, you'll find all their doors and windows are covered with iron security gates.  Even driving home late was scary for them.  Not in my neighborhood, but in their own. 

Quote from: Dori on May 25, 2015, 04:28:21 PM
There are plenty of blacks who are fearful of their own communities.  I knew a black family that always came to our house for holiday's etc.  They told plenty of stories about hiding under their beds when the guns started ringing through the neighborhood, for fear of a bullet coming through a window or wall. 

You go into certain areas of Los Angeles, you'll find all their doors and windows are covered with iron security gates.  Even driving home late was scary for them.  Not in my neighborhood, but in their own.

Where I grew up in South Sacto, they don't even bother with bars, they just board up the house with 1" thick plywood, just like you'd see prior to a hurricane, except it's permanent.
Yes, they live like that, but they're safe.

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2015, 05:07:30 PM
Sorry, you lost me when you claimed to have written one of the first accepted Affirmative Action plans for hiring police officers.

Affirmative Action is merely government sponsored racism.

IMHO... of course.

Oh so you didn't make it to the part where he claims blacks don't want to be cops. And he's probably right, the same is true of any racial makeup in the nation though. It takes a special kind of minset to just keep going on through the motions, trying to trip a citizen up, so they can write a ticket meet that quota and put some money in the municipality coffers.

Here's my solution. Get rid of city cops all together, in one day, they go to bed a city cop, and wake up a deputy sheriff
under the control of the elected county sherriff.

That's how it ought to be, as he IS the head executive in a county. Just as we have a CnC for the military, do that, create one for the police too. There ya go problem solved.f

Then there's the issue that much of what is black culture is illegal, I mean hell there's ceremonies from my own ancestors, which, if I did them would get me locked up on drug charges. So.....yeah maybe some cultural understanding needs to be taken into account, while we are busy writing laws in Washington, so the Executive can then issue all kinds of regulations which are in effect most times on pain of fine, or imprisonment or both something the citizen must abide by.

We have two sets of law makers, the un-elected bureaucrats, and the Congress. One was included in our Constitution, the other wasn't.

Quote from: daidalos on May 25, 2015, 10:09:53 PMIt takes a special kind of minset to just keep going on through the motions, trying to trip a citizen up, so they can write a ticket meet that quota and put some money in the municipality coffers.

Trying to trip up a citizen?  You must have quite the history with cops. 

Quote from: Dori on May 26, 2015, 08:00:51 AM
Trying to trip up a citizen?  You must have quite the history with cops.

Gotta bring over this link from another thread.  Nicest cop ever!!  (my nephew)

https://youtu.be/z3GTamVKA2s

Quote from: kroz on May 26, 2015, 08:18:20 AM
Gotta bring over this link from another thread.  Nicest cop ever!!  (my nephew)

I've been stopped a few times.  Sometimes got a ticket, sometimes not.  One time I was driving my husband home from the doctor.  He was half laying down in the back seat, with his head just barely poking up against the passenger window in the back seat. A cop pulled me over, asked where I had been and where I was going.  He then asked my husband for ID. 

Before he let me go (without a ticket) he explained that a woman had been reported abducted and forced to drive her kidnapper.  I felt pretty good about being stopped that time.   

Quote from: Dori on May 26, 2015, 08:00:51 AM
Trying to trip up a citizen?  You must have quite the history with cops.

Sure, the end result of a traffic ticket is SOME money going into a bloated-salaries, useless-functionaries courts system. Individual states do have a way of underwriting many courts' operations, since not all are turning the profit he suggests.

Cruise control and common sense saves a lot of that. The rest, that's why people open fender-mender outfits and create well-paying jobs based on stuff we mighta-coulda-shoulda avoided. That's why we HAVE courts, to fight it out over whether a standing law is constitutional, which is what always trips up the scofflaws. If the law has not been repealed, the best interest of society is therefore to not break it, and if you DO break it, the cop has every legal right to cite you for it. Some time that works. Other times you're back in court.

Yeah...entrapment!