Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
I think that some of the IT job pay $100.000 yr.  But if company's pay some wage over $60,000 they can use the foreign workers on H1-B.  So it is all about paying lower wages.  The Disney people were replaced because they were making more than it is required for H-1b.

I understand that. I was just expanding the argument.

Quote from: Cali Contrarian on January 26, 2016, 02:45:40 PM
I understand that. I was just expanding the argument.

Quote from: tac on January 26, 2016, 01:48:18 PM
From the Dept of Labor

QuoteThe intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm

It is obvious to even a brain dead socialist that Disney has broken the intent of this foolish program. I hope that both individuals,and other that follow their lead, win and win big.

The "intent" from DOL is nothing more than nice sounding rhetoric for the adoring masses. Big business supported H1B legislation because they knew they could cut cost of labor big time without outsourcing the jobs. Instead they bring the foreign labor into the U.S. They're hitting us from both directions. Either way, the American workers get the big green pickle right up the tail pipe.

Quote from: zewazir on January 26, 2016, 09:52:15 PM
http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm

It is obvious to even a brain dead socialist that Disney has broken the intent of this foolish program. I hope that both individuals,and other that follow their lead, win and win big.

The "intent" from DOL is nothing more than nice sounding rhetoric for the adoring masses. Big business supported H1B legislation because they knew they could cut cost of labor big time without outsourcing the jobs. Instead they bring the foreign labor into the U.S. They're hitting us from both directions. Either way, the American workers get the big green pickle right up the tail pipe.

That is why Americans are so desperate to believe Trump.  And I am 100% sure that he has some pickle for Americans too.

Quote from: Cali Contrarian on January 26, 2016, 02:25:42 PM
Why should it be the province and responsibility of government schools to provide pre-trained employees for certain classes of employers? Why not put the onus on employers to train their own people? The best response to poor performance is competition. Let US companies educate/train their own workforce, and you obviate the need for failing government universities.

The HB1 visa program is a concession that we can't qualify enough actual Americans to fill mid-level engineering and programming jobs. That simply isn't true. We just haven't developed the right system to do it. Same goes for many other trainable professional fields, like medicine. These aren't specially talented people, just properly educated.

Our government are supposed to prepare people so they van be trained by the employers. If government schools can't do that they should be privatized.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 27, 2016, 05:08:13 AM
Our government are supposed to prepare people so they van be trained by the employers. If government schools can't do that they should be privatized.

You realize that the teachers unions will want you lobotomized for their protection. 

If AMERICAN schools are so bad then why do all the wealthy foreigners send their kids HERE to be educated?


The truth is there is no shortage of qualified, educated American citizens. 90% of the foreigners hired by the H-1B program are less qualified than the people they REPLACE.

Most H-1B visas are not obtained by the companies doing the hiring but by outsourcing firms.

You will find companies use the H-1B visa program as a training program with the intent of offshoring jobs.


The H-1B program is just another example of the government enforcing the part of the law they want to and ignoring the part of the law they don't.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 27, 2016, 11:24:19 AM
If AMERICAN schools are so bad then why do all the wealthy foreigners send their kids HERE to be educated?


The truth is there is no shortage of qualified, educated American citizens. 90% of the foreigners hired by the H-1B program are less qualified than the people they REPLACE.

Most H-1B visas are not obtained by the companies doing the hiring but by outsourcing firms.

You will find companies use the H-1B visa program as a training program with the intent of offshoring jobs.


The H-1B program is just another example of the government enforcing the part of the law they want to and ignoring the part of the law they don't.

Are they sending them here to go to American government schools? Just look at current results and trends of how We stack up against other countries in math and science ratings. You are correct in your last sentence that much of the problem is how government bureaucrats enforce the law.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 27, 2016, 11:24:19 AM
If AMERICAN schools are so bad then why do all the wealthy foreigners send their kids HERE to be educated?


The truth is there is no shortage of qualified, educated American citizens. 90% of the foreigners hired by the H-1B program are less qualified than the people they REPLACE.

Most H-1B visas are not obtained by the companies doing the hiring but by outsourcing firms.

You will find companies use the H-1B visa program as a training program with the intent of offshoring jobs.


The H-1B program is just another example of the government enforcing the part of the law they want to and ignoring the part of the law they don't.

What's sad is, H1-B used to be the standard for which all migrants were held. Now they just open the gates for everyone.

I'd be curious to the middle-eastern percentage.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 27, 2016, 12:25:27 PMAre they sending them here to go to American government schools? Just look at current results and trends of how We stack up against other countries in math and science ratings

Take your average youth from a broken home that is bombarded with a liberal agenda of socialism and lack of personal responsibility talking on a $600.00 phone that his mommy bought for him and tell me schools are the problem.

 

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 28, 2016, 10:42:06 AM
Take your average youth from a broken home that is bombarded with a liberal agenda of socialism and lack of personal responsibility talking on a $600.00 phone that his mommy bought for him and tell me schools are the problem.

No question poor parenting is a major factor. Is it your position our government schools are just peachy?

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 28, 2016, 10:42:06 AM
Take your average youth from a broken home that is bombarded with a liberal agenda of socialism and lack of personal responsibility talking on a $600.00 phone that his mommy bought for him and tell me schools are the problem.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 28, 2016, 11:42:42 AM
No question poor parenting is a major factor. Is it your position our government schools are just peachy?

The subject here is HB1 visas. It would make more sense to talk about the performance of American Universities than primary and secondary schools. Whether you like the public school system or not, the US turns out enough capable 18 years olds every year to man all of the technological and professional jobs the US economy has to offer, and then some. If there is a failing, it is only relevant at the university level. We aren't training the people we could be training. Whether that's because we aren't admitting them in favor of less qualified applicants (multiculturalist ethic writ large) or we're steering them into unproductive endeavors, that's where the failure lies.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 28, 2016, 11:42:42 AMNo question poor parenting is a major factor. Is it your position our government schools are just peachy?

I suppose that depends on the school. I feel I got a quality education.

Quote from: Cali Contrarian on January 28, 2016, 11:51:10 AMor we're steering them into unproductive endeavors, that's where the failure lies.

You mean like proud libtard parents paying 10's of thousands of dollars so their feminazi daughter can get a degree in women's studies?

The same fools pushing H-1B visas and supporting illegal immigrants are also the ones manufacturing tomorrow's minimum wage workers.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 28, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
You mean like proud libtard parents paying 10's of thousands of dollars so their feminazi daughter can get a degree in women's studies?

I would say that sums it up nicely.