The 'Big CA Split-Up'-- pipedream or reality?

Started by Belenus, April 12, 2018, 07:27:38 AM

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Quote from: T Hunt on April 19, 2018, 06:38:40 AM
California Dems Dreamin'? Long-shot bid to split up state would boost party in Senate

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/19/california-dems-dreamin-long-shot-bid-to-split-up-state-would-boost-party-in-senate.html

Ok this article makes me wary about the CA split up. It claims the split wld make 2 hard dem states and one left leaning state, thus giving dems more senate seats. If its gonna help the libs then i dont want it. So who will it really help? Wld it create 3 blue states? Cuz that wldnt solve the problem of the right being underrepresented. Isnt the whole point to give the right the voice they are missing and to better represent the ppl?
Yes, it would create 3 blue states, that's why the map chose to include San Franfreako, including the entire Bay Area and Sacto. the Capitol with Norcal, both heavily populated leftist strongholds.
That map is a total disaster.

As I said earlier, the Dims are scared to death http://soj51.org/ will succeed and leave the left literally powerless in the state.
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Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2018, 07:09:36 AM
Yes, it would create 3 blue states, that's why the map chose to include San Franfreako, including the entire Bay Area and Sacto. the Capitol with Norcal, both heavily populated leftist strongholds.
That map is a total disaster.

As I said earlier, the Dims are scared to death http://soj51.org/ will succeed and leave the left literally powerless in the state.

Wait, so there are actually 2 seperate separatist movements? I didnt realize that... Ok so tim draper and the cal-3 is the liberal movement? And state of jefferson, or soj51, is the conservative plan?

Let me get this strait, Isnt the tim draper plan set to be on the ballot this nov? That wld be the state simply spitting itself into 3 parts. 
Then is the soj51 going thru the courts to achieve victory or is that also a ballot measure this nov? If it is going thru the court then that means part of the state wants to actually secede from the other part and is using the federal gvt to do it, right?

Does the draper plan have any chance of success?
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Quote from: T Hunt on April 19, 2018, 09:36:17 AM
Wait, so there are actually 2 seperate separatist movements? I didnt realize that... Ok so tim draper and the cal-3 is the liberal movement? And state of jefferson, or soj51, is the conservative plan?

Let me get this strait, Isnt the tim draper plan set to be on the ballot this nov? That wld be the state simply spitting itself into 3 parts. 
Then is the soj51 going thru the courts to achieve victory or is that also a ballot measure this nov? If it is going thru the court then that means part of the state wants to actually secede from the other part and is using the federal gvt to do it, right?

Does the draper plan have any chance of success?
Correct, Draper is a Marxist from the Bay Area. Regardless if it's a ballot measure, it will still be challenged and have to go through the legal system and we're way ahead of that by years...
Chances of it are Drapers shit passing are horrible in that all Norcal residents know what damage would occur if Sac and San Fran were part of our state, it would wind up being more leftist than the South.
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Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2018, 11:02:20 AM
Correct, Draper is a Marxist from the Bay Area. Regardless if it's a ballot measure, it will still be challenged and have to go through the legal system and we're way ahead of that by years...
Chances of it are Drapers shit passing are horrible in that all Norcal residents know what damage would occur if Sac and San Fran were part of our state, it would wind up being more leftist than the South.
Before people get a chance to vote on this, I hope they have an idea on how the debt will be split.

Solar

Quote from: s3779m on April 19, 2018, 01:38:39 PM
Before people get a chance to vote on this, I hope they have an idea on how the debt will be split.
Or just how much debt they'd incur after the fact.
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Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2018, 07:09:36 AM
Yes, it would create 3 blue states, that's why the map chose to include San Franfreako, including the entire Bay Area and Sacto. the Capitol with Norcal, both heavily populated leftist strongholds.
That map is a total disaster.

As I said earlier, the Dims are scared to death http://soj51.org/ will succeed and leave the left literally powerless in the state.
So, what do you think would happen if there was a "compromise" between the two movements, in which SF and Sacramento, and San Diego were all included in the coastal state of CA - then the rest of CA divided between north and south?

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Quote from: zewazir on April 19, 2018, 06:34:40 PM
So, what do you think would happen if there was a "compromise" between the two movements, in which SF and Sacramento, and San Diego were all included in the coastal state of CA - then the rest of CA divided between north and south?
That's the model we're working with at soj51.org, the State of Jefferson would not be hampered by Sac, Bat Area of Socal, they'd sink without us.
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Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2018, 06:38:36 PM
That's the model we're working with at soj51.org, the State of Jefferson would not be hampered by Sac, Bat Area of Socal, they'd sink without us.
You need to make sure there is nothing that will drag you down or it'll be like the EU.

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 19, 2018, 06:41:59 PM
You need to make sure there is nothing that will drag you down or it'll be like the EU.
We already have a Legislature in place, and every one of them is a TEA Conservatives. :cool:
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