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Online Walter Josh

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Re: DACA - What would it take for you to accept it ?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2017, 06:13:55 PM »
Walter, I agree with much of what you said, except the part I emboldened above.  You are DEAD wrong on that, at least in my town in Pennsylvania.

They are not in the least bit poverty stricken.  They have better vehicles than every American I know in this town.  I had to get a "new" car this year.  My 23 year old baby  bit the dust beyond even what my genius auto technician husband could resurrect for a decent price.  We looked for months and finally found a decent car we could afford, a 2006 VW Jetta. 11 year old car.  And I am happy to have it. Hubby's truck is 15 years old.  All my illegal neighbors drive cars and trucks that are less than 5 years old.  With fancy wheels and new paint jobs.  The clothing they and their children wear is all brand new, the latest styles.  I buy my clothes from thrift shops, but only when absolutely necessary.  My neighbors have birthday parties for their children every year that would rival a wedding reception.  Complete with live Mariachi bands, tons of food and more presents that I received my entire childhood.  And the beer---cases and cases of beer---not just at party time, but every week.  The landlords I have spoken with say the Mexicans pay their rent on time, in cash, every month.  They are not poverty stricken, they simply work under the table, thus the Welfare folks dole out $$ for housing and food stamps and free healthcare.
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Permit me to re-articulate once again.
My poverty/subsistence point had absolutely nothing to do w/money or the lack of it.
Great nation-states have created legacies which will endure till Judgement Day.
Among them, Greece, Rome, Medieval France, Great Britain, Hohenzollern Germany;
because the people of these cultures/societies were infused w/the attitudes,
behaviors, impulses and sentiments necessary to produce great achievement.
In contrast, those of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East; among others,
are not so infused. The latter is wildly rich because of oil and methane gas
and what has that done for the level of aspiration and achievement among average Arabs?
The Third World simply are not achievers, which is why they come here w/their hand out
rather than addressing the chronic and enduring mess in their nation of origin.

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Re: DACA - What would it take for you to accept it ?
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2018, 06:25:05 AM »
BUT if You put in that part about no voting for ten years, the dims won't be pushing for amnesty.  :lol: :lol:
That was suppose to read 'no voting rights or government assistance for 10 years', but yeah, we both know where that's end up.

Some bleeding heart liberal would cry, "They work harder any an other American, and the Conservatives (meanies), won't even let them vote!"  ... add in collect blank, blank, and blank, like normal Americans, they are SLAVES!  (-just gag me, already, my Indian forefathers didn't die for these invaders... they died for the European Invaders.  :ttoung: )
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Re: DACA - What would it take for you to accept it ?
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2018, 05:45:49 AM »
Sadly, it is clear President Trump is using DACA as a Bargaining Chip.

I am NOT pleased.

Send them HOME - every last one !

But if it's a chip - THIS is what I want in return.

BUILD THE WALL.

Double Border Patrol.

End Sanctuary Cities - and IMPRISON enablers.

PROSECUTE Employers of Illegals.

End Chain migration.

End Diversity Lottery.

End ALL Handouts for Illegals - Health, Food, Housing, Education.

End Refugee Program.

Drastically reduce LEGAL IMMIGRATION to all but Scientists and the truly useful.

Require all Government Agencies to provide services IN ENGLISH ONLY.

Photo ID Voting.

Yeah, then I'm cool with DACA.

I heard last year on a conservative radio show that the wall can already be funded via Homeland Security funding so a deal would not be necessary.

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Re: DACA - What would it take for you to accept it ?
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2018, 06:07:01 AM »
I heard last year on a conservative radio show that the wall can already be funded via Homeland Security funding so a deal would not be necessary.
Tiz true. Trump has the Establishment Marxists between a rock and an open septic tank.
He'll get his wall and there's not a thing McCON can do to stop him.
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Re: DACA - What would it take for you to accept it ?
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2018, 10:16:17 AM »
Sadly, it is clear President Trump is using DACA as a Bargaining Chip.

I am NOT pleased.

Send them HOME - every last one !

But if it's a chip - THIS is what I want in return.

BUILD THE WALL.

Double Border Patrol.

End Sanctuary Cities - and IMPRISON enablers.

PROSECUTE Employers of Illegals.

End Chain migration.

End Diversity Lottery.

End ALL Handouts for Illegals - Health, Food, Housing, Education.

End Refugee Program.

Drastically reduce LEGAL IMMIGRATION to all but Scientists and the truly useful.

Require all Government Agencies to provide services IN ENGLISH ONLY.

Photo ID Voting.

Yeah, then I'm cool with DACA.

DACA should never be a stand-alone issue.  The US needs a complete overhaul of the immigration policy. Here are the key issues from my perspective and I'll give you where I would compromise since that will be necessary to a point.  We do have both houses, but I can guarantee you that several RINOS will try to keep the elite satisfied.

Begin with stating what constitutes a natural citizen vs a naturalized citizen.  This means "anchor babies" are not citizens. Never have been and it should be retroactive. 
Also, a natural citizen is one born from two citizen parents, not one. It matters not where they are born, if both parents are citizens  they are citizens.  Naturalized are those of one citizen parent, no matter where born, as well as legal immigrants that eventually are eligible for citizenship. make eligibility 10 years before citizenship as well as all welfare services prior to citizenship.  Require sponsorships for each legal immigrant that is responsible for these costs as they were under the 1924 law.

Eliminate the lottery, chain migration.

Daca only for those at least 21 yrs of age. Others are under parental control anyway.

I'm not necessarily one who want a full length wall.  On the land portion, build a wall. On the river portion, buy the land immediately contiguous with the  river for its entire length. Build a road so that it can be better monitored and illegals kept from ever getting across. Just send them back. 

What to do with the current illegals. First, enforce existing laws of not giving aid to any of them. E verify with heavier payment penalties for hiring.
Enforce these rules against the states who are giving licenses, health care, and do a much better check on the phony social security numbers, and birth certificates. No such thing as sanctuary for anyone, anywhere.  Punishment, legal, for those who obstruct federal law.

Then place a 10 year moratorium on all immigration.  Gives the US a time to settle to determine illegals and have most of them self deport. Make sure  they can be assimilated. Make English the only recognized language of the US.  No more taxes for translators multi-language printing. Place the onus on the immigrant, not the tax payers.

Where is there room for compromise. Since Trump wants a full border wall, compromise with a wall only on the land portion.
Compromise on the DACA with ONLY those older than 18 can stay.
Compromise on the length of time for citizenship.
Compromise on the length of the moratorium.

That is a start.

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Re: DACA - What would it take for you to accept it ?
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2018, 11:02:39 AM »
Dirty Adolescents of Criminal Adults.  No thanks to all.  Go home and clean up yourselves and your own damn country, don't filthy up mine.

 

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