Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2016, 08:22:02 AM
I see the problem. You're under the illusion there's a difference in the two party's. There is NOT!!!!

Have a solution?

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 08:46:52 AM
Have a solution?

Yes, as I said in another post, steal the GOP from the leftists.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Yes, as I said in another post, steal the GOP from the leftists.

This is a good idea.  I think when (if) we control both Houses of Congress and have a Republican in the Whitehouse, we have a better chance of having a conservative Justices appointed to the SCOTS (perhaps Mike Lee) and regardless of the crap President Trump may pull, we (Conservatives) may be able to accomplish this goal (stealing the GOP from the RINOs) during the midterms. 

If Hillary is elected we ay never have a chance to do anything to advance conservatism.  Conservitism will be stifled just as they did with the Tea Party in 2012. They have been getting away with illegally using the government to classify anything that does not support their agenda as Hate Speech.  Hillary's election will embolden them and it will be like Obama's Presidency on steroids! What makes you think if Hillary is not defeated, we will be able to "steal the GOP" or if it would even matter anymore. There will be a one party system in the new United Socialist States of America!

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Yes, as I said in another post, steal the GOP from the leftists.

Hell, the GOP was started on leftism.

Hey Shooterman!  (Just wanted to say "Hi", it's been awhile)

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 09:55:30 AM
Hey Shooterman!  (Just wanted to say "Hi", it's been awhile)

Yes it has, Wally. Hope you are doing well.

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 07:47:12 AM
Who are you voting for?  Not much of a choice. 

Do you intend to just sit this one out, regardless of the potential harm to our freedoms and even the possible end of conservatism as a meaningful opposition to the communist movement that is taking over our country.

A parable comes to mind;  Isn't it better to light one candle than to forever curse the darkness?

Which to you prefer our weak Congress dominated by (controlled) by an Alynsky trained Marxist POTUS or having all three branches of our government under Republican control and the chance of have conservative voices heard and the chance of having conservative positions matter?

No sitting out for me. i will vote for the Constitutional Conservative up and down the ticket. If none I will move on to the next.

I will not vote for a liberal democrat being it Trump or hillary.

Quote from: Bronx on September 24, 2016, 12:23:24 PM
No sitting out for me. i will vote for the Constitutional Conservative up and down the ticket. If none I will move on to the next.

I will not vote for a liberal democrat being it Trump or hillary.

Well, since there is no constitutional conservative on the ballot, I guess you mean you will be writing in a candidate of your choosing.  Isn't this akin to not voting at all? If Hillary Clinton is elected by a very narrow margin and subsequently we lose our great nation to Marxism. What then? OOPS!  Wish there had been something I could have done to prevent this?  For all his (many) faults, Donald Trump is not an  ideologue, while Hillary Clinton has proved herself to be an ardent Ideologue who is hell bent on reshaping this country using all of Saul Alynsky's teachings!

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 01:02:40 PM
Well, since there is no constitutional conservative on the ballot, I guess you mean you will be writing in a candidate of your choosing.  Isn't this akin to not voting at all? If Hillary Clinton is elected by a very narrow margin and subsequently we lose our great nation to Marxism. What then? OOPS!  Wish there had been something I could have done to prevent this?  For all his (many) faults, Donald Trump is not an  ideologue, while Hillary Clinton has proved herself to be an ardent Ideologue who is hell bent on reshaping this country using all of Saul Alynsky's teachings!

So this will be the year more then 40% of people that could vote will not vote. 

Quote from: walkstall on September 24, 2016, 01:25:05 PM

So this will be the year more then 40% of people that could vote will not vote.

I hope this does not become our epitaph!

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 01:02:40 PM
Well, since there is no constitutional conservative on the ballot, I guess you mean you will be writing in a candidate of your choosing.  Isn't this akin to not voting at all? If Hillary Clinton is elected by a very narrow margin and subsequently we lose our great nation to Marxism. What then? OOPS!  Wish there had been something I could have done to prevent this?  For all his (many) faults, Donald Trump is not an  ideologue, while Hillary Clinton has proved herself to be an ardent Ideologue who is hell bent on reshaping this country using all of Saul Alynsky's teachings!

Are you blind to the fact that Trump is a liberal democrat freak and that is what you will be voting for.

Please tell me how wrong I am on that...please.

Quote from: Bronx on September 24, 2016, 03:32:26 PM
Are you blind to the fact that Trump is a liberal democrat freak and that is what you will be voting for.

Please tell me how wrong I am on that...please.

Well Trump MAY appoint a non Dem political judge.     He think his is a great judge.   

Quote from: walkstall on September 24, 2016, 03:41:44 PM
Well Trump MAY appoint a non Dem political judge.     He think his is a great judge.   

I don't believe a word Trump says. If he told me it was raining outside I would have to go outside and see for myself.

He has flip flopped on EVERYTHING including lyin' Ted Cruz's endorsement.

Hillary will stab you in the front while Trump will stab you in the back.

"We're now on Day Two of The Great Ted Cruz Decision, and people are still upset, confused, irritated, and any other manner of generally negative emotion. They don't know if they can trust him or if he really was what he said he was. And, I would agree that they are right to question him and his standards. They have every reason to. Of course, one of the big concerns is that we as a society tend to follow cults of personality when it comes to politicians.

The same can and should be said of Ted Cruz, or more broadly, politicians as a group, to include Ted Cruz. Ted was deified as the arch conservative. Possibly even the second coming of Ronald Reagan, who today is revered like a god of old within conservative circles. It's true that for the conservative movement, both men have heralded the right ideas and very much seem to have supported them.



But, it's when we put guys like Ted Cruz (or Marco Rubio, or Rick Perry, or, again, anyone else for that matter) up on these immortal pedestals that we get in trouble when they screw up. As they inevitably will. The question then becomes whether we dump them or not.

Several people I know and trust will swear off Cruz forever. Several more will stick with him. Even more will say they never liked the guy because they always knew he was a self-serving, ambitious impostor of a conservative. Many people, many more than exist on Political Twitter or in your Facebook feed, will just be confused. Because these are extremely confusing times.


Instead we should treat Cruz, Rubio, and anyone we send to any political office like an investment. Any time a politician screws up - and they will because (PAY ATTENTION HERE) they are human - you should not dump them immediately. You need to look at their body of work. Is this one event in a pattern of screw-ups? Or is this something new?

Right now, one bad decision is all that most conservatives have to judge Cruz by. And, yes, it is a big one and, yes, it is one that we will judge him on more harshly than, say, him voting to increase the federal budget. It is just one decision, however, and the question is whether or not conservatives think it outweighs the good Cruz has done and can continue to do."


http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/09/25/politicians-like-ted-cruz-treated-investments-gods/

Quote from: Dubinsky on September 25, 2016, 05:43:18 AM
"We're now on Day Two of The Great Ted Cruz Decision, and people are still upset, confused, irritated, and any other manner of generally negative emotion. They don't know if they can trust him or if he really was what he said he was. And, I would agree that they are right to question him and his standards. They have every reason to. Of course, one of the big concerns is that we as a society tend to follow cults of personality when it comes to politicians.

The same can and should be said of Ted Cruz, or more broadly, politicians as a group, to include Ted Cruz. Ted was deified as the arch conservative. Possibly even the second coming of Ronald Reagan, who today is revered like a god of old within conservative circles. It's true that for the conservative movement, both men have heralded the right ideas and very much seem to have supported them.



But, it's when we put guys like Ted Cruz (or Marco Rubio, or Rick Perry, or, again, anyone else for that matter) up on these immortal pedestals that we get in trouble when they screw up. As they inevitably will. The question then becomes whether we dump them or not.

Several people I know and trust will swear off Cruz forever. Several more will stick with him. Even more will say they never liked the guy because they always knew he was a self-serving, ambitious impostor of a conservative. Many people, many more than exist on Political Twitter or in your Facebook feed, will just be confused. Because these are extremely confusing times.


Instead we should treat Cruz, Rubio, and anyone we send to any political office like an investment. Any time a politician screws up - and they will because (PAY ATTENTION HERE) they are human - you should not dump them immediately. You need to look at their body of work. Is this one event in a pattern of screw-ups? Or is this something new?

Right now, one bad decision is all that most conservatives have to judge Cruz by. And, yes, it is a big one and, yes, it is one that we will judge him on more harshly than, say, him voting to increase the federal budget. It is just one decision, however, and the question is whether or not conservatives think it outweighs the good Cruz has done and can continue to do."


http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/09/25/politicians-like-ted-cruz-treated-investments-gods/

FOR THE RECORD THE ONLY REASON i STOOD WITH TED WAS DUE TO his knowledge and respect for the constitution and nothing more...he is a republican after all...
so his support for trump is disturbing after all that has happened but what do you expect from a GOPer..they protect their own even if its a fake like trump...

PARTY FIRST and fck the people..

my biggest problem is that he would rather pass the buck to his children then stand on principle and fight...

as for me I only have a few more yrs of fighting strength left and would rather fight now instead of dumping it on my children..

IF THERE BE A FIGHT BRING IT TO ME SO MY CHILDREN MAY LIVE IN PEACE!!!

I almost want to vote for hilary to bring this to a head but would not want it to cause a mandate to encourage the evil that has come to us ...anyway the constitution has taken maybe its last hit ...who knows ....time will tell

I am angry at cruz right now ...he should have just kept his mouth shut ...I may in the future support him if that chance arises ...again who knows if that chance will come


we have passed this on to our children to many times and it has to stop...

when I say we I do mean D's & R's...cause I have never voted for one of them at the fed. level...EVER..cause I learned at a young age what these people are

I need more coffee