Why isn’t Pelosi guilty of Treason?

Started by slider1, January 19, 2019, 09:54:31 PM

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slider1

Treason is defined as aiding the enemy of the country.  Why isn't helping people who are invading our southern borders not treason?  Pelosi and her dim colleagues are aiding people who are illegally invading our nation.  If I were Trump, I'd order her arrest for such. 

And it's not just about the wall.  It's about all the crap they're pulling to help this invasion in hopes of getting more dims elected.

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Cryptic Bert

Probably because they are not an actual government or organized military. They haven't actually invaded us.

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QuoteTreason - the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

Sounds like the typical Liberal modus operandi to me.
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

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midcan5

No one is invading our borders, what they are doing is coming to a land in which freedom and opportunity still exist as all of our grandparents did one or two or maybe many generations ago.  Kinda simple really.  That Trump uses it to divide and conquer is just an emotional tool that plays on the fear our territory is being invaded. That too is simple. Solutions exist but our current administration appears totally incompetent. Instead everything becomes a tool to divide.
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Quote from: midcan5 on January 20, 2019, 04:06:21 AM
No one is invading our borders,
Yes they are. When you try to hop and tunnel under barriers to enter the country, that's an invasion.  It's like when someone breaks down your doors at home to get in. That's a home invader.

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what they are doing is coming to a land in which freedom and opportunity still exist as all of our grandparents did one or two or maybe many generations ago.
You mean like the Pilgrims?

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  Kinda simple really.
I agree, this is really simple.

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  That Trump uses it to divide and conquer is just an emotional tool that plays on the fear our territory is being invaded.
He's not doing that. You're doing that by lying about him doing that.

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That too is simple. Solutions exist but our current administration appears totally incompetent. Instead everything becomes a tool to divide.
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Quote from: midcan5 on January 20, 2019, 04:06:21 AM
No one is invading our borders, what they are doing is coming to a land in which freedom and opportunity still exist as all of our grandparents did one or two or maybe many generations ago.  Kinda simple really.  That Trump uses it to divide and conquer is just an emotional tool that plays on the fear our territory is being invaded. That too is simple. Solutions exist but our current administration appears totally incompetent. Instead everything becomes a tool to divide.


So let me know when you open your house and all your land to the invaders.  You yourself must also pick up the tab for each one of them.   
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Quote from: slider1 on January 19, 2019, 09:54:31 PM
Treason is defined as aiding the enemy of the country.  Why isn't helping people who are invading our southern borders not treason?  Pelosi and her dim colleagues are aiding people who are illegally invading our nation.  If I were Trump, I'd order her arrest for such. 

And it's not just about the wall.  It's about all the crap they're pulling to help this invasion in hopes of getting more dims elected.

Slider1

It may not be treason but I beleive there are other crimes she and other high office dems may be engaged in.

I have long suspected that the Marxist party of Democrats is opposed to Border security because they have been taking money from the cartels who stand to lose BILLIONS. The Cartels OWN the politicians in their country from the President on down, El Chapo is said to have given the current meat puppet millions

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46872414

I'm not alone in this surmise, last evening Judge Jeanine hinted the same without coming right out and naming it even alluding to it obliquely "How did you and your Husband make 100 million".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WliABQdM9pM

ANd yeah some are probably thinking crazy old Billy is talkig out his ass again, but nobody on this board has more experiece in narcotics investigations where I saw up close and personal the relationship between drug distribution and political corruption as one of Marion Barry's finest. Donna Brazil who was schooled at the knee (literally) in the Marion Barry method was showing her expertise when she rigged the debate between Trump and Hillary, what else you think Donna did for the DNC?

Cartel Dummy corporations laundering money in offshore "Straw" accounts that come back into the country through some Political hacks "campaign" fund. So many ways they can do this.

I think it is time that we the people begin to give voice to these reasoable suspicions and demand inquiries along these lines.

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It's all in the interpretation. I like the "treason" idea.

First stopped her plane and let her circle on a bus. Next define in an EO that the illegals as an invading force and have her (and other dims) arrested / indicted for treason. Could score a few in sanctuary cities too. Having her and others spend a day in the cooler would send a message - escalate. Just a bit of political hazing.

Maybe if he simultaneously declares an emergency, the courts will be so busy freeing their cronies that they won't have time to react to the border activities.

After, he could accurately inform the nation he is keeping his promise to clean up the swamp. But the cockroaches found a way to crawl out but he'll be looking to squash them again.

What is there to lose? Dims aren't going to compromise anyway. We might as well get a show for all the time and taxpayer dollars we're wasting ... every single day.

It pitiful when the best you can hope for is a stalemate with the evils in the Machiavellian Dim party. I say we divide the nation up ... pubs and dims / people of the republic and "progressives" ... and go our separate ways. Have a vote for which way a state wants to go ... and let the chips fall where they will. If your state goes the wrong way then you'll have to move. After that, we'll need Trump to build a few more walls.

Who is John Galt?

slider1

Quote from: midcan5 on January 20, 2019, 04:06:21 AM
No one is invading our borders, what they are doing is coming to a land in which freedom and opportunity still exist as all of our grandparents did one or two or maybe many generations ago.  Kinda simple really.  That Trump uses it to divide and conquer is just an emotional tool that plays on the fear our territory is being invaded. That too is simple. Solutions exist but our current administration appears totally incompetent. Instead everything becomes a tool to divide.

An actual armed invasion isn't necessary to commit treason. All that is needed is to provide aid and comfort to the enemy of the republic. See Article III section 3 of the Constitution.  Pelosi and other dims are providing aid and comfort by keeping the border open and safe for all kinds of enemies. Even if you think that illegal Mexican immigrants aren't the enemy (which I would dispute), keeping the borders open to all is aiding people who clearly are enemies of our nation.

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Solar

Quote from: slider1 on January 20, 2019, 10:00:03 AM
An actual armed invasion isn't necessary to commit treason. All that is needed is to provide aid and comfort to the enemy of the republic. See Article III section 3 of the Constitution.  Pelosi and other dims are providing aid and comfort by keeping the border open and safe for all kinds of enemies. Even if you think that illegal Mexican immigrants aren't the enemy (which I would dispute), keeping the borders open to all is aiding people who clearly are enemies of our nation.

Slider1
There is one caveat in the law that allows Fuglosi to escape treason charges Re: the border.
"Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them,Section 3."

Now, sedition is an entirely different story. :biggrin:
The entire DNC could be brought up on charges of Sedition. Though this too might be a stretch for legal scholars, simply because most charges of Sedition fall under military law.

with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;
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Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2019, 10:20:13 AM
There is one caveat in the law that allows Fuglosi to escape treason charges Re: the border.
"Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them,Section 3."

Now, sedition is an entirely different story. :biggrin:
The entire DNC could be brought up on charges of Sedition. Though this too might be a stretch for legal scholars, simply because most charges of Sedition fall under military law.

with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;

No!   You're cutting off half of section 3.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. "

It's thengiving then aid part that Pelosi and the sims are guilty of.

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Solar

Quote from: slider1 on January 20, 2019, 02:32:18 PM
No!   You're cutting off half of section 3.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. "

It's thengiving then aid part that Pelosi and the sims are guilty of.

Slider1
And yet there's even more. Congress has to have declared the enemy, as in war, or enemy combatant.
The US is "technically" not at war with any nation on earth, only ideologies.
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Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2019, 03:00:43 PM
And yet there's even more. Congress has to have declared the enemy, as in war, or enemy combatant.
The US is "technically" not at war with any nation on earth, only ideologies.


technically we are still at war in Afghanistan and "the war on Terror" it could be reasonably argued that since illegals from source coutries of terrorism have bee caught crossing this could stretch into aiding ad abettig or facilitatig an enemy crossig ito the US.

I know it is a stretch, but if any of these illegals commit acts of terrorism in the US after breaching an unsecured southern border the case against those obstructing would be stronger.

I think it is just a matter of time before one of these Jihadi's pulls off a successful attack. Ufortuately, that is might be what it takes before these idiots come aroud....even then.....
Evil operates best when under a disguise

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Solar

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 20, 2019, 03:36:40 PM

technically we are still at war in Afghanistan and "the war on Terror" it could be reasonably argued that since illegals from source coutries of terrorism have bee caught crossing this could stretch into aiding ad abettig or facilitatig an enemy crossig ito the US.

I know it is a stretch, but if any of these illegals commit acts of terrorism in the US after breaching an unsecured southern border the case against those obstructing would be stronger.

I think it is just a matter of time before one of these Jihadi's pulls off a successful attack. Ufortuately, that is might be what it takes before these idiots come aroud....even then.....
No, not a stretch by any means, but as I said earlier, that will be up to legal minds to argue, and we know the GOP, they wouldn't touch it with a 20' pole, they're not only cowards, but equally guilty..
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Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2019, 03:00:43 PM
And yet there's even more. Congress has to have declared the enemy, as in war, or enemy combatant.
The US is "technically" not at war with any nation on earth, only ideologies.

No it doesn't. There's nothing in either the Constitution or the treason statute that says anything of the sort.  Where are you getting this?