Any bets on when Trump calls for a National Emergency? I'm thinking possibly Friday.
A vast majority of American voters believe that the United States is facing a "crisis" or a "problem" on the southern border, according to a new poll by Politico and Morning Consult.
While less than half of those surveyed (42 percent) agree with President Donald Trump's assertion that the border is in "crisis," another 37 percent concede that there is a "problem" — meaning 79 percent of voters believe the situation at the border is a serious Only 12 percent of voters polled said that the situation at the border is neither a crisis nor a problem.
According to data from Customs and Border Protection (CBP), an average of nearly 2,000 immigrants are apprehended at the border each day attempting to cross illegally into the United States.
The poll, which was conducted January 4-6 during the second week of the partial government shutdown, also found that 44 percent of respondents support a border wall.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/politico-poll-border-crisis-problem-majority-americans-agree/
It's so true. The left and the media just can't get passed the semantics. Forget crisis. Forget all the buzz words. Let's just say "problem". Are there thousands of undocumented people entering the country every year? Yes. That's a problem. Are there thousands of illegal aliens in the US committing crimes? Yes. That's a problem. Are there thousand stuck at the US border living like OWS circa 2011? Yes. That's a problem.
Yeah we have a problem and Trump is the only president in recent memory to actually try and address it. Right or wrong on strategy he's trying. He's dragged the GOP kicking and screaming along with him and the democrats have just become the enemy of the American people.
Trump was supposed to be a great negotiator, what happened? The republicans controlled the house and senate the past two years and did nothing but talk about the wall. Why the wall action now? Is it simply a talking point to keep his base happy? And wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? And every statistic tell us immigration from Mexico is down as now they make lots of stuff Americans buy. But Guatemalans are another issue and a place America has interfered in the past. And who is that is buying the drugs that make the drug cartels rich and violent? It ain't Guatemalans. This stuff is complicated and our current administration appears unable to make sense of it. History can be a tough topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 09, 2019, 11:05:00 PM
It's so true. The left and the media just can't get passed the semantics. Forget crisis. Forget all the buzz words. Let's just say "problem". Are there thousands of undocumented people entering the country every year? Yes. That's a problem. Are there thousands of illegal aliens in the US committing crimes? Yes. That's a problem. Are there thousand stuck at the US border living like OWS circa 2011? Yes. That's a problem.
Yeah we have a problem and Trump is the only president in recent memory to actually try and address it. Right or wrong on strategy he's trying. He's dragged the GOP kicking and screaming along with him and the democrats have just become the enemy of the American people.
Spot on Boo! Neither party was ever going to do a damn thing to fix it, because to them it wasn't an issue. How he ever got the RINO to come along is beyond me, but he did it and that say's it all.
Quote from: midcan5 on January 10, 2019, 04:37:08 AM
Trump was supposed to be a great negotiator, what happened? The republicans controlled the house and senate the past two years and did nothing but talk about the wall. Why the wall action now? Is it simply a talking point to keep his base happy? And wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? And every statistic tell us immigration from Mexico is down as now they make lots of stuff Americans buy. But Guatemalans are another issue and a place America has interfered in the past. And who is that is buying the drugs that make the drug cartels rich and violent? It ain't Guatemalans. This stuff is complicated and our current administration appears unable to make sense of it. History can be a tough topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala
So you are agreeing all the folks trying to enter the US is not a problem? Ever consider one of the reasons that the number of illegals entering the US is down is because the Border Patrol has been given the authority to do their job?
The American people are not buying the democrat argument there is no border crisis.
Quote from: midcan5 on January 10, 2019, 04:37:08 AM
Trump was supposed to be a great negotiator, what happened? The republicans controlled the house and senate the past two years and did nothing but talk about the wall. Why the wall action now? Is it simply a talking point to keep his base happy? And wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? And every statistic tell us immigration from Mexico is down as now they make lots of stuff Americans buy. But Guatemalans are another issue and a place America has interfered in the past. And who is that is buying the drugs that make the drug cartels rich and violent? It ain't Guatemalans. This stuff is complicated and our current administration appears unable to make sense of it. History can be a tough topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala
Wow, I'm impressed, you managed to pull in every talking point in one paragraph. Problem is, you have no idea what any of that entails.
The GOP has been fighting the base over the border since WWII when Congress created the Bracero program, an understandable fix in the day, but since that day the GOP has been fighting for their corporate constituency because the voting base cut off funding of the party over the issue, so the GOP said screw the voter, we'll do what makes us money, because we'll make the Dim party out to be a worse choice than we are, so we get their vote anyway.
Take my word for it, the base despises the GOP.
AS to Trump and the Wall, he has the DNC right where he wants them, in the corner whimpering like children. They have nowhere to run, they not only own the shutdown, but 90% of the nation thinks there's a border problem as well.
In other words, as Boo put it, Trump drug the GOP kicking and screaming to support his plan and now has a majority support of the nation backing his plan, and you don't see negotiations under way?
Oh, that's because your side is on the losing side.
FWIW, there will be a border barrier of some sort, and regardless of who pays, the people will be glad when this BS is over.
How is it you don't see the big picture here? Both party's have been playing the people against one another while using the poor illegal as clay pigeons in their match of trap-shoot. Neither party gives a damn about the human equation.
Just a few years ago, Obama and the entire DNC leadership was demanding a barrier along the border, and suddenly they're not? Trump managed to wrestle the issue away from both party's and give it to the people, and at first neither party wanted any part of it, but fast forward to today and the border is front and center, you know why? Because Trump stole the narrative and refuses to release his death-grip on the issue until the problem is solved.
The GOP was smart enough to recognize they were not going to win this time and conceded to Trump, while the Dims have stupidly taken up the position of opposition to the will of the people, and you don't see a masterful negotiator making this happen?
Trump will declare a national Emergency and he will have the blessing of the voter that wasn't so stupid as to fall for the lies of leftists in both party's.
Don't run from my post, what I told you is the truth and a barrier is coming very soon. How is it you don't want this issue settled?
MOMENTS AGO: President Trump says he may still declare a national emergency to build a border wall:
"I have the absolute right if I want. My threshold will be if I can't make a deal with people that are unreasonable"
CBS News
Trump should wait until there is a articulate instance, such as the next caravan otherwise the Leftists like MidCan here are going to say "what Crisis exists now that didn't exist back a few months when the caravans were trying to get in and Trump gassed them" or some crap like that.
The next caravan breach attempt would be articuable proof that ORGANIZED and concerted effort is being made to flood our country with illegals and psuedo refugee's who are abusing the system with their own MANUFACTURED CRISIS ie refugee status.
Quote from: midcan5 on January 10, 2019, 04:37:08 AM
Trump was supposed to be a great negotiator, what happened? The republicans controlled the house and senate the past two years and did nothing but talk about the wall. Why the wall action now? Is it simply a talking point to keep his base happy? And wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? And every statistic tell us immigration from Mexico is down as now they make lots of stuff Americans buy. But Guatemalans are another issue and a place America has interfered in the past. And who is that is buying the drugs that make the drug cartels rich and violent? It ain't Guatemalans. This stuff is complicated and our current administration appears unable to make sense of it. History can be a tough topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala
Yeah thats the leftist attitude, all the worlds problems stem from America because America "Interferred" with Guatemala or Nicaragua 100 or so years ago or Mexico back in 1846 or whenever and kept them from becoming a world power now its payback time. So what you are insinuating is we have no "right" of Sovreingty because of real or imagined actions in the past and any transgression of our duly enacted laws our safety and well being must be ignored to make amends? Is that it?
What happened to Japan? We nuked and fire bombed that place, yet the Japanese (The most racist and Homogenous society on earth) recovered and became A world power in business and trade, despite our occupation of the place which continues to this day.
Do yourself a favor, get rid of the group think 'America Bad' mentality. If anything the one world one Govt vision you people have has just had the rug jerked out from under it, Europe is starting to awaken and follow our lead and we are going to exercise our sovreingty one way or another.
That begins with a safe, secure and strong border
Quote from: midcan5 on January 10, 2019, 04:37:08 AM
Trump was supposed to be a great negotiator, what happened? The republicans controlled the house and senate the past two years and did nothing but talk about the wall. Why the wall action now? Is it simply a talking point to keep his base happy? And wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? And every statistic tell us immigration from Mexico is down as now they make lots of stuff Americans buy. But Guatemalans are another issue and a place America has interfered in the past. And who is that is buying the drugs that make the drug cartels rich and violent? It ain't Guatemalans. This stuff is complicated and our current administration appears unable to make sense of it. History can be a tough topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala
One more point.
If it was a crisis then,, why is it not now?The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
June 30, 2014Remarks by the President on Border Security and Immigration Reform
Rose Garden
3:04 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everybody. One year ago this month, senators of both parties –- with support from the business, labor, law enforcement, faith communities –- came together to pass a commonsense immigration bill.
Independent experts said that bill would strengthen our borders, grow our economy, shrink our deficits. As we speak, there are enough Republicans and Democrats in the House to pass an immigration bill today. I would sign it into law today, and Washington would solve a problem in a bipartisan way.
But for more than a year, Republicans in the House of Representatives have refused to allow an up-or-down vote on that Senate bill or any legislation to fix our broken immigration system. And I held off on pressuring them for a long time to give Speaker Boehner the space he needed to get his fellow Republicans on board.
Meanwhile, here's what a year of obstruction has meant. It has meant fewer resources to strengthen our borders. It's meant more businesses free to game the system by hiring undocumented workers, which punishes businesses that play by the rules, and drives down wages for hardworking Americans. It's meant lost talent when the best and brightest from around the world come to study here but are forced to leave and then compete against our businesses and our workers. It's meant no chance for 11 million immigrants to come out of the shadows and earn their citizenship if they pay a penalty and pass a background check, pay their fair share of taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line. It's meant the heartbreak of separated families.
That's what this obstruction has meant over the past year. That's what the Senate bill would fix if the House allowed it to go to a vote.
Our country and our economy would be stronger today if House Republicans had allowed a simple yes-or-no vote on this bill or, for that matter, any bill. They'd be following the will of the majority of the American people who support reform. Instead, they've proven again and again that they're unwilling to stand up to the tea party in order to do what's best for the country. And the worst part about it is a bunch of them know better.
We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all. In recent weeks, we've seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers.
The journey is unbelievably dangerous for these kids. The children who are fortunate enough to survive it will be taken care of while they go through the legal process, but in most cases that process will lead to them being sent back home. I've sent a clear message to parents in these countries not to put their kids through this.
I recently sent Vice President Biden to meet with Central American leaders and find ways to address the root causes of this crisis. Secretary Kerry will also be meeting with those leaders again tomorrow.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/30/remarks-president-border-security-and-immigration-reform
Americans are tired of the left and their destructive policies on immigration. This entire scheme by Nancy and Chuck is a disgrace to the country. The people have spoken!!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083404900862545920
https://twitter.com/i/status/1083404900862545920
Quote from: Solar on January 09, 2019, 08:30:20 PM
Any bets on when Trump calls for a National Emergency? I'm thinking possibly Friday.
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Quote from: Solar on January 10, 2019, 10:47:34 AM
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While I don't feel this is the best way to go about it I do recognize that is is one of his only option left. I can already here the Dems crying about this, but what do they expect? When you stone wall Trump and give zero leeway in terms of a compromise or even an iota of potentially working with him. Absolute garbage on behalf of the dems
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on January 10, 2019, 11:46:34 AM
While I don't feel this is the best way to go about it I do recognize that is is one of his only option left. I can already here the Dems crying about this, but what do they expect? When you stone wall Trump and give zero leeway in terms of a compromise or even an iota of potentially working with him. Absolute garbage on behalf of the dems
Yep, the Dims only have themselves to blame. Trump offered to open the govt if Nancy would promise to address the border after it's open, and she said "NO"!
This proves the Dims are not open to negotiating, so, Trump is left with one option. Build the Wall and open govt. None of this required the approval of the leftists.
Crime will fall, drug smuggling will be cut by 90%, all within a short time, proving the wall was an absolute necessity.
Quote from: midcan5 on January 10, 2019, 04:37:08 AM
Trump was supposed to be a great negotiator, what happened? The republicans controlled the house and senate the past two years and did nothing but talk about the wall. Why the wall action now? Is it simply a talking point to keep his base happy? And wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? And every statistic tell us immigration from Mexico is down as now they make lots of stuff Americans buy. But Guatemalans are another issue and a place America has interfered in the past. And who is that is buying the drugs that make the drug cartels rich and violent? It ain't Guatemalans. This stuff is complicated and our current administration appears unable to make sense of it. History can be a tough topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala
Your boy king Jim Acosta just admitted President Trump steel wall is working. Wait until President Trump gets a hold of this news. You're going to be screaming aimlessly into the sky....WHY, WHY, WHY.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-mocked-for-accidently-proving-that-border-walls-work
Quote from: midcan5 on January 10, 2019, 04:37:08 AM
Trump was supposed to be a great negotiator, what happened? The republicans controlled the house and senate the past two years and did nothing but talk about the wall. Why the wall action now?
Whether he is aa great negotiator or not is irrelevant if only one side is coming to the table.
QuoteIs it simply a talking point to keep his base happy? And wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? And every statistic tell us immigration from Mexico is down as now they make lots of stuff Americans buy. But Guatemalans are another issue and a place America has interfered in the past. And who is that is buying the drugs that make the drug cartels rich and violent? It ain't Guatemalans. This stuff is complicated and our current administration appears unable to make sense of it. History can be a tough topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala
It doesn't matter where they are coming from or US guilt for whatever the NYT is going on about. It is about knowing who is coming into the country and their intentions. The only way to do that is to have them come through specifics designated points and if the government will not keep the border secured perhaps the only answer is a physical wall.
Dims who are not in line with the leadership, say a wall is fine with them.
You know they want to get reelected. :biggrin:
Congressional Democrats are ditching House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's ardent opposition to any barrier or wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, as the partial government shutdown continues and President Donald Trump takes his case directly to the border itself.
""If we have a partial wall, if we have fencing, if we have technology used to keep our border safe, all of that is fine," Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-IL), the chairwoman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), said on CNN.
"Certainly you need barriers and we support barriers," Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD) added.
Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) also backed a barrier along the U.S. border with Mexico.
"Some fencing is useful, some barriers are useful," Merkley said. "There's a lot of surveillance technology. I've been to some cities on the border that have triple fencing and have more personnel and have the technology to see the people moving in the middle of the night."
Reps. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) and Jerry Nadler (D-NY)–the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee–said they would support fencing and barriers where necessary along the border.
Senate Minority Whip Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) says he believes there will be a new barrier along the border in the future:
Rep. John Garamendi (D-CA) says Democrats support a barrier including a fence. "Democrats have repeatedly said that we will support border security, we will support all of its elements including fences," Garamendi said.
Rep. Katherine Clark (D-MA), the Vice Chair of the Democrat conference, says that the border would benefit from additional barriers. "You know, I think there are parts of the border that would benefit from repairing fencing and other barricades that already exist there," she told MSNBC.
These very prominent congressional Democrats' message on the effectiveness of a wall or barrier or fence is very different from the coordinated message from Schumer and Pelosi just two nights ago when the two Democrat leaders in Congress said in their response to President Trump's Oval Office address that the wall would be "ineffective."
Pelosi called the wall "expensive and ineffective," something that was an "obsession" of Trump's–while Schumer bashed Trump's "ineffective, unnecessary border wall" and said that America does not need a barrier on the border for security. "We can secure our border without an expensive, ineffective wall," Schumer said in his response to Trump.
Video for all at:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/10/democrats-crack-on-the-wall/
Quote from: Solar on January 10, 2019, 06:38:45 PM
Dims who are not in line with the leadership, say a wall is fine with them.
You know they want to get reelected. :biggrin:
Congressional Democrats are ditching House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's ardent opposition to any barrier or wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, as the partial government shutdown continues and President Donald Trump takes his case directly to the border itself.
""If we have a partial wall, if we have fencing, if we have technology used to keep our border safe, all of that is fine," Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-IL), the chairwoman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), said on CNN.
"Certainly you need barriers and we support barriers," Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD) added.
Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) also backed a barrier along the U.S. border with Mexico.
"Some fencing is useful, some barriers are useful," Merkley said. "There's a lot of surveillance technology. I've been to some cities on the border that have triple fencing and have more personnel and have the technology to see the people moving in the middle of the night."
Reps. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) and Jerry Nadler (D-NY)–the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee–said they would support fencing and barriers where necessary along the border.
Senate Minority Whip Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) says he believes there will be a new barrier along the border in the future:
Rep. John Garamendi (D-CA) says Democrats support a barrier including a fence. "Democrats have repeatedly said that we will support border security, we will support all of its elements including fences," Garamendi said.
Rep. Katherine Clark (D-MA), the Vice Chair of the Democrat conference, says that the border would benefit from additional barriers. "You know, I think there are parts of the border that would benefit from repairing fencing and other barricades that already exist there," she told MSNBC.
These very prominent congressional Democrats' message on the effectiveness of a wall or barrier or fence is very different from the coordinated message from Schumer and Pelosi just two nights ago when the two Democrat leaders in Congress said in their response to President Trump's Oval Office address that the wall would be "ineffective."
Pelosi called the wall "expensive and ineffective," something that was an "obsession" of Trump's–while Schumer bashed Trump's "ineffective, unnecessary border wall" and said that America does not need a barrier on the border for security. "We can secure our border without an expensive, ineffective wall," Schumer said in his response to Trump.
Video for all at:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/10/democrats-crack-on-the-wall/
Paychecks are due and their congressional phones must be melting.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 10, 2019, 09:07:22 PM
Paychecks are due and their congressional phones must be melting.
Funny isn't it? Here, the media tried like hell to blame Trump for the shutdown he said he'd own. :lol:
Yet 70% of the country believe there is a problem at the border, so they see the Dims as the cause of the crisis at the border.
My reply the the Hollyweird Reporter, and yeah, bring it on libs, I'll be waiting.
Native Californian here, of 60+ years.
Look out America, this is what the "Progressives " have planned for the rest of the country.
Note: See that barrier/Wall? See how well it works keeping the trash out?
Made the connection yet?
LA's battle for Venice Beach: Homeless surge puts Hollywood's progressive ideals to the test http://thr.cm/BAOve5
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I come here to hear reasoned discussion about issues like this. I do not agree with everything written here and I think that should be the experience of everyone. But these Trolls that come here, probably because they are paid, and do nothing more than write what the Dem party puts out. That party says things that any rational human being knows is pure BS or seeking an emotional response. So Trump said Mexico would pay for it, as if that is the first promise by a politician that has not come true. Go down the list and it is just nonsense that you have to be of the mind set that it is true no matter how irrational. Nancy sits behind walls at her house while saying it is immoral and sends the wrong message. At the same time her party is in favor of abortion at any time.
I wish the press was at least a little bit honest and asked the dems how they would keep illegals out. A drone is going to work LOL> :lol: Ask if they think prison walls or the walls around their house is immoral. Ask how they know could know the character of people who sneak into the country that we do not know who they are. I really like how they categorize people who get in without being caught and presume that they are all good and not at the very least the same mix of good and bad that get caught. Ask they why they do not propose a law making it legal to walk across the border.
I think realistically this problem is both parties in congress not passing laws that would address all those problems that make it so attractive to sneak into the USA. Have it that a baby born in the US is only a citizen if it is born of a US citizen, Those who get caught get sent back, those seeking asylum wait out side of the country and if a country like mexico offers them asylum and they refuse they are immediately ineligible for asylum in the US. Those who employ illegals get fined severely or jailed. There are lots of legitimate ways to deter them coming in illegally and they need to act. Oh I still think we need to protect the border because drug dealers and sex traffickers have motivation no mater what the laws are.
CNN goes out looking for a story on Trump's Wall from a border state with a news network. The news station give CNN the truth of the matter and CNN doesn't like what they had to say and decides not to run with the truth of the story they are seeking. In return the news network informs their viewers on CNN not reporting the truth....... :lol:
I love it when CNN steps on their gonads because it looks very painful but funny.
CNN Confirms KUSI Report About Border Wall Blow-Off
CNN has finally responded to the exploding scandal surrounding the far-left cable news channel's revealing "border wall" interaction with San Diego TV station KUSI this week.
As my colleague Robert Kraychik reporter earlier, KUSI reports that the anti-Trump outlet contacted them looking for someone to come on the air and report about Trump's border wall. CNN claimed it was looking for a local perspective on the issue.
According to KUSI, though, once CNN discovered that KUSI's past reports look positively on the effectiveness of the local border wall, CNN ran away and wanted no part of that narrative.
READ MORE....
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/01/11/nolte-cnn-confirms-kusi-report-about-border-wall-blow-off/
Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2019, 07:41:48 AM
My reply the the Hollyweird Reporter, and yeah, bring it on libs, I'll be waiting.
Native Californian here, of 60+ years.
Look out America, this is what the "Progressives " have planned for the rest of the country.
Note: See that barrier/Wall? See how well it works keeping the trash out?
Made the connection yet?
LA's battle for Venice Beach: Homeless surge puts Hollywood's progressive ideals to the test http://thr.cm/BAOve5
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Walls tend to show the left's NIMBY hypocrisy.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 11, 2019, 09:31:26 PM
Walls tend to show the left's NIMBY hypocrisy.
I set off a firestorm with my tweet exposing the lefts hypocrisy in a pic that was supposed to show how the homeless needed more tax dollars to combat the problem.
I love how the left leaves themselves wide open. :biggrin:
Obama's man posted this on the border in 2010.
John Cardillo
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@johncardillo
The same Democrats that tell you there's no crisis on the border had Obama's Bureau of Land Management post this sign in Arizona in 2010.
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https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2019/01/13/pretty-weird-for-obamas-bureau-of-land-management-to-put-this-sign-out-for-just-a-manufactured-crisis/