Vatican Cardinal: ‘Homosexual Culture’ In The Church Part Of Abuse Crisis

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/34654/vatican-cardinal-homosexual-culture-church-part-paul-bois

Cardinal Raymond Burke has called upon Pope Francis to clean up what he calls a "homosexual culture" in the Church that has contributed to the sex abuse crisis.

As noted by Matt Walsh and other Catholic commentators, roughly 80% of the sexual abuse victims in the Catholic Church were male, many of them being postpubescent. Recently-ousted Cardinal Theodore McCarrick had sexual relations with both adult males and minors; far too often, he preyed on male seminarians entering the priesthood.

Speaking with Thomas McKenna of Catholic Action for Faith and Family, Cardinal Burke called for a purge on homosexual behavior in the clergy, which would include an outright ban on homosexual priests.

"It was clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men," said Burke. "There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this.

Burke continued: "Now it seems clear in light of these recent terrible scandals that indeed there is a homosexual culture, not only among the clergy but even within the hierarchy, which needs to be purified at the root. It is of course a tendency that is disordered."

The cardinal went on to say that Catholics should rightly feel scandalized but asked they direct their blame toward the men responsible and not the Church itself.

"We should be profoundly ashamed of what certain shepherds, certain bishops, have done, but we should never be ashamed of the Church because we know that it is pure and that it is Christ Himself, alive for us in the Church, Who alone is our way to salvation," said Burke. "There is a great temptation that our justified anger over these gravely immoral acts will lead us to lose faith in the Church or to be angry with the Church, instead of angry with those who, even though they held the highest authority in the Church, have betrayed that authority and have acted in an immoral way."

In May of this year, Pope Francis went as far to warn the Italian bishops about homosexual applicants seeking to join the priesthood and why they should not be allowed. His position followed that of Pope Benedict, who emphasized that men "who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies, or support the so-called 'gay culture'" could be denied entry into the priesthood.

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I once heard that a lot of RC families, knowing that they had a gay son, would send him off to the priesthood since he wouldn't get married anyways. 

Now before some liberal gets upset, I'm not saying that all gays are pedophiles.  But I guarantee you one thing - you suppress your natural desires long enough, and it will come out in ways that are "socially inappropriate." 

BTW, I'm not trying to insult any RC folks out there.  It's a free country.  Worship the way you want.

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Quote from: slider1 on August 17, 2018, 03:00:05 PM
I once heard that a lot of RC families, knowing that they had a gay son, would send him off to the priesthood since he wouldn't get married anyways. 

Now before some liberal gets upset, I'm not saying that all gays are pedophiles.  But I guarantee you one thing - you suppress your natural desires long enough, and it will come out in ways that are "socially inappropriate." 

BTW, I'm not trying to insult any RC folks out there.  It's a free country.  Worship the way you want.

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Sounds like they would prey away the ghey.

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Quote from: slider1 on August 17, 2018, 03:00:05 PM
I once heard that a lot of RC families, knowing that they had a gay son, would send him off to the priesthood since he wouldn't get married anyways. 

Now before some liberal gets upset, I'm not saying that all gays are pedophiles.  But I guarantee you one thing - you suppress your natural desires long enough, and it will come out in ways that are "socially inappropriate." 

BTW, I'm not trying to insult any RC folks out there.  It's a free country.  Worship the way you want.

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However, 99% of gays were molested as children.
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Quote from: slider1 on August 17, 2018, 03:00:05 PM
I once heard that a lot of RC families, knowing that they had a gay son, would send him off to the priesthood since he wouldn't get married anyways. 

Now before some liberal gets upset, I'm not saying that all gays are pedophiles.  But I guarantee you one thing - you suppress your natural desires long enough, and it will come out in ways that are "socially inappropriate." 

BTW, I'm not trying to insult any RC folks out there.  It's a free country.  Worship the way you want.

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Before they changed inheritance laws, where only one could inherit..the normal process..was  Eldest Son gets the Estate, Second Son got some cash, and was expected to follow a military career, and the third Son became a priest.  Any after that could do what they wanted. 

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Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2018, 03:26:01 PM
However, 99% of gays were molested as children.

Maybe. But I'm a bit skeptical. Sounds like they just love to play the victim card. "Oooh. I was molested as a child and that's why I'm so screwed up. I'm not responsible for my behavior."

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My response:  grow up.  I bet 99% of everyone was probably a victim of a pedophile in some form or another.  I remember some old dude tried to grab my ass as a kid once. I ran like hell. I'm not a pervert today. I've got no sympathy for these victim playing card folks. Fifty bucks says the priests in this scandal will play that card too.

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Quote from: slider1 on August 17, 2018, 04:35:15 PM
Maybe. But I'm a bit skeptical. Sounds like they just love to play the victim card. "Oooh. I was molested as a child and that's why I'm so screwed up. I'm not responsible for my behavior."

:thumbdown:

My response:  grow up.  I bet 99% of everyone was probably a victim of a pedophile in some form or another.  I remember some old dude tried to grab my ass as a kid once. I ran like hell. I'm not a pervert today. I've got no sympathy for these victim playing card folks. Fifty bucks says the priests in this scandal will play that card too.

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No, I was talking about repeated abuse, like occurs with these so called Priests.
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Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2018, 04:54:33 PM
No, I was talking about repeated abuse, like occurs with these so called Priests.
I'm still skeptical. Sounds like they're playing the victim card. I know quite a few gays. None ever claimed that.

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Quote from: slider1 on August 17, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
I'm still skeptical. Sounds like they're playing the victim card. I know quite a few gays. None ever claimed that.

https://stream.org/yes-childhood-sexual-abuse-often-contribute-homosexuality/

Its just statistics that many people who have an unnatural sexual disorder have it due to abuses, thats why its a cycle.

You are right tho that that doesnt excuse their choices .We are all born with certain unique proclivities toward one sin or another( or many) it is still up to us to fight those, and we will fail sometimes. This reminds us of our need for God. Then we pick ourselves up, take responsibility for our choices, ask for forgivness and move on. Conversion therapy does work, as can therapy for pedos. (Doesnt mean pedos dont have to live with the consequesnces of their crimes)

The bible is quite clear that homosexual behavior is unnatural and a sin (like any other sin). However the bible does talk about some men who natutally do not have sexual desire for females. Paul was one of those people. He talked about it like it was a blessing, allowing him to focus more on his calling in life.

Of course all that is from a christian perspective and i would never suggest the government should force gays not to be. Like slider said, the bedroom isnt the governments buisness, unless that bedroom involes kids.

Being as marriage is a PUBLIC thing it is the governments buisness, however the founders made it clear that issues of morality remain at the level of the states, not the fed.
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Quote from: T Hunt on August 17, 2018, 06:31:36 PM
https://stream.org/yes-childhood-sexual-abuse-often-contribute-homosexuality/

Its just statistics that many people who have an unnatural sexual disorder have it due to abuses, thats why its a cycle.

You are right tho that that doesnt excuse their choices .We are all born with certain unique proclivities toward one sin or another( or many) it is still up to us to fight those, and we will fail sometimes. This reminds us of our need for God. Then we pick ourselves up, take responsibility for our choices, ask for forgivness and move on. Conversion therapy does work, as can therapy for pedos. (Doesnt mean pedos dont have to live with the consequesnces of their crimes)

The bible is quite clear that homosexual behavior is unnatural and a sin (like any other sin). However the bible does talk about some men who natutally do not have sexual desire for females. Paul was one of those people. He talked about it like it was a blessing, allowing him to focus more on his calling in life.

Of course all that is from a christian perspective and i would never suggest the government should force gays not to be. Like slider said, the bedroom isnt the governments buisness, unless that bedroom involes kids.

Being as marriage is a PUBLIC thing it is the governments buisness, however the founders made it clear that issues of morality remain at the level of the states, not the fed.
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Hunt, interesting articulation.
Conservatives such as Burke, Hume and Locke, insisted that
ageless principle always transcended the trivial whims of the
present and this priestly abomination is a case in point.
Why has homosexuality become an ever greater social
phenomenon during the past hundred years???
Simply because tolerance has become an ever more prominent
and praiseworthy public virtue promoted by the left.
The consequences are obvious.
A principled conservatives understands many things, among them:
* the family unit is the building bloc / foundation of culture/society,
* homosexuality is destructive of the family unit.
The Roman Catholic Church has lost sight of its spiritual mission,
which is saving souls for eternity.
Now it panders to and promotes non-spiritual values such as tolerance.
The consequences are real and disastrous for civilization.


 

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Quote from: T Hunt on August 17, 2018, 06:31:36 PM
https://stream.org/yes-childhood-sexual-abuse-often-contribute-homosexuality/

Its just statistics that many people who have an unnatural sexual disorder have it due to abuses, thats why its a cycle.

You are right tho that that doesnt excuse their choices .We are all born with certain unique proclivities toward one sin or another( or many) it is still up to us to fight those, and we will fail sometimes. This reminds us of our need for God. Then we pick ourselves up, take responsibility for our choices, ask for forgivness and move on. Conversion therapy does work, as can therapy for pedos. (Doesnt mean pedos dont have to live with the consequesnces of their crimes)

The bible is quite clear that homosexual behavior is unnatural and a sin (like any other sin). However the bible does talk about some men who natutally do not have sexual desire for females. Paul was one of those people. He talked about it like it was a blessing, allowing him to focus more on his calling in life.

Of course all that is from a christian perspective and i would never suggest the government should force gays not to be. Like slider said, the bedroom isnt the governments buisness, unless that bedroom involes kids.

Being as marriage is a PUBLIC thing it is the governments buisness, however the founders made it clear that issues of morality remain at the level of the states, not the fed.

Interesting article. I'm not sure what makes you gay.  I am sure I don't care. I prefer not to know. I'd simply prefer to nothing whatsoever about your sex life one way or another.  None of my business, and mine's none of yours. I believe in don't ask don't tell, but just applied equally for everyone.

But if it involves children. Or is otherwise non consensual. I'd just as soon see you raped in prison.

The other thing I don't care for is people playing the victim card. To a lib, everyone 's a victim.  Which is how they win votes. Unless of course you're a straight white male. Which is why they've lost the election.  There's enough women, minorities, and a few gays, who refuse to be victims and so we continue to win elections. And will again in 2018 and 2020. 

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Quote from: slider1 on August 17, 2018, 10:49:32 PM
Interesting article. I'm not sure what makes you gay.  I am sure I don't care. I prefer not to know. I'd simply prefer to nothing whatsoever about your sex life one way or another.  None of my business, and mine's none of yours. I believe in don't ask don't tell, but just applied equally for everyone.

But if it involves children. Or is otherwise non consensual. I'd just as soon see you raped in prison.

The other thing I don't care for is people playing the victim card. To a lib, everyone 's a victim.  Which is how they win votes. Unless of course you're a straight white male. Which is why they've lost the election.  There's enough women, minorities, and a few gays, who refuse to be victims and so we continue to win elections. And will again in 2018 and 2020. 

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The entire gay movement stems from one guy in SF about 60 years ago, a communist Hell bent on destroying American culture.
Harry something, can't remember his name, but remember his interviews well and remember thinking he didn't have a chance, that no political party would be so suicidal as to accept such an ant American stance. Boy, was I wrong.
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Quote from: slider1 on August 17, 2018, 04:35:15 PM
Maybe. But I'm a bit skeptical. Sounds like they just love to play the victim card. "Oooh. I was molested as a child and that's why I'm so screwed up. I'm not responsible for my behavior."

:thumbdown:

My response:  grow up.  I bet 99% of everyone was probably a victim of a pedophile in some form or another.  I remember some old dude tried to grab my ass as a kid once. I ran like hell. I'm not a pervert today. I've got no sympathy for these victim playing card folks. Fifty bucks says the priests in this scandal will play that card too.

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I heard about one of these assholes holding a "mass of forgiveness" yesterday.

It actually sounded like he was saying "forgive me....... right now".

They are so taken with their power and protection that many of them can only think this way.  It's about like Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Clinton, Obama.  They all believe that their evil is fabulous and should be praised.

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Quote from: Solar on August 18, 2018, 07:33:30 AM
The entire gay movement stems from one guy in SF about 60 years ago, a communist Hell bent on destroying American culture.
Harry something, can't remember his name, but remember his interviews well and remember thinking he didn't have a chance, that no political party would be so suicidal as to accept such an ant American stance. Boy, was I wrong.

Harvey Milk?  He got shot by a guy who pretty much got off by claiming the infamous Twinkie defense. He was high on junk food. There's a movie about with Sean Penn  I think. I can't stand watching any movie where guys are doing it. Makes my skin crawl to think about it.  Like I said, I don't care what you do in the privacy of your bedroom, but I do not want to see it, hear about or even know about it. TMI.

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Quote from: AndyJackson on August 18, 2018, 09:50:50 AM
I heard about one of these assholes holding a "mass of forgiveness" yesterday.

It actually sounded like he was saying "forgive me....... right now".

They are so taken with their power and protection that many of them can only think this way.  It's about like Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Clinton, Obama.  They all believe that their evil is fabulous and should be praised.

That's disgusting.

I know we're supposed to be Christians, but why can't we hate people?  I admit it. I hate libs. I think they're retards. I definitely hate pedophiles. Call me an a*#hole. Some Days we need to be full righteous hatred towards those who are destroying the fabric of our nation.

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