Quote from: Solar on September 22, 2016, 04:39:30 AM
Hell, I bet some are 30 and still living in moms basement. It would explain the detachment from reality these kids display in their fascination for a NY Lib with an (R) next to his name.
These lib kiddies all have one thing in common, they despised the actual conservative running and backed a lib instead.

I will be sixty-six years old in a couple of months, which makes me old enough to remember Barry Goldwater who would rather be RIGHT than President! Boy, what a different world we would have today if AUH20 had been elected. He campaigned on ending the VietNam ware by laying down a nuclear hot zone in the DMZ! (this prompted LBJ's "Daisy Ad").

In any event, we now only need to have someone we may be able of have some chance of working with as POTUS.  There is no chance in working with Hillary will rule by Judicial Fiat oce she has a chance to stack "her" court with Commies.  Hell she'll probably appoint Obama to the Court, as soon as the first vacancy comes...Who else??  Probably Cal Sunstein or his ilk!!!!   

Quote from: wally on September 23, 2016, 01:08:13 PM
I will be sixty-six years old in a couple of months, which makes me old enough to remember Barry Goldwater who would rather be RIGHT than President! Boy, what a different world we would have today if AUH20 had been elected. He campaigned on ending the VietNam ware by laying down a nuclear hot zone in the DMZ! (this prompted LBJ's "Daisy Ad").

In any event, we now only need to have someone we may be able of have some chance of working with as POTUS.  There is no chance in working with Hillary will rule by Judicial Fiat oce she has a chance to stack "her" court with Commies.  Hell she'll probably appoint Obama to the Court, as soon as the first vacancy comes...Who else??  Probably Cal Sunstein or his ilk!!!!   

Almost 60 and you just now started drinking the Establishments Kool Aid?
Damn Wally, the very same scum that opposed Goldwater fought like Hell to keep reagan out, forced Bush on him as VP, gave us consecutive liberals in Dole, Mc Con, Mitten etc, and now Trump, an admitted lib, and now you think the con is somehow preferable to Clinton?
Firing squad or cyanide, your choice, because the end result is the same.

(almost 66; not 60) In any event..Barry Goldwater was right! We would have won the Viet Nam War and ended the cold war during his term. LBJ never would have begun his "Great Society" and the Community Restoration Act would never have been created; no FaNNY NO Freddie; no HUD and no housing bubble and no great recession in 2008. 

I'm not drinking anyone's Kool Aid. I can see that the only way we ever win is if we are in charge;otherwise the other guys win!  I don't like Trump and I don't trust him...BUT..I do know that Hillary will destroy this country and we (Conservatives) will not even be represented at the table!

I have to settle for what is achievable and that actually ain't so bad; We can have the Presidency, Both Houses of Congress and Republicans (including, possibly Mike Lee) appointed to the SCOTUS!

Time to buckle up and get with the program!  Ted Cruz came to accept reality and so should his supporters!

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 05:21:51 AM
(almost 66; not 60) In any event..Barry Goldwater was right! We would have won the Viet Nam War and ended the cold war during his term. LBJ never would have begun his "Great Society" and the Community Restoration Act would never have been created; no FaNNY NO Freddie; no HUD and no housing bubble and no great recession in 2008. 

I'm not drinking anyone's Kool Aid. I can see that the only way we ever win is if we are in charge;otherwise the other guys win!  I don't like Trump and I don't trust him...BUT..I do know that Hillary will destroy this country and we (Conservatives) will not even be represented at the table!

We won't be represented by either candidate, the GOP has made that more than clear.

QuoteI have to settle for what is achievable and that actually ain't so bad; We can have the Presidency, Both Houses of Congress and Republicans (including, possibly Mike Lee) appointed to the SCOTUS!

Hello?? ?? Have you not been paying attention at all? We gave the ass holes both Houses and WTF did they do, they gave the Marxists more than they asked for in the omnibus Bill.
At least with a Clinton in the WH they will have to at least show an aura of bargaining, but with Trump they get the best of both worlds, no transparency, and a leftist in the WH.

QuoteTime to buckle up and get with the program!  Ted Cruz came to accept reality and so should his supporters!

Trump stated quite clearly he would not accept Cruz endorsement if he gave him one, so who is breaking their word here?

You can throw your principles aside, I will not, I'm done suppiorting leftists the GOP throws at us and trump is the worst in decades.

where does one go when all the Leaders have gone in another direction? Ever read the play "Waiting for Godot"?

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 05:48:09 AM
where does one go when all the Leaders have gone in another direction? Ever read the play "Waiting for Godot"?

You support people that share your convictions, you don't cave on principles ever or you lose everything you hold dear.
You may wallow in grief all you like, I will not, I will continue this fight against communists in both party's.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2016, 05:52:53 AM
You support people that share your convictions, you don't cave on principles ever or you lose everything you hold dear.
You may wallow in grief all you like, I will not, I will continue this fight against communists in both party's.

Solar, I am no longer wollowing in my grief.  I did that during the time I have taken a break from politics, including participation in this forum.  Over the years, I have come to respect you and several others on this forum.  I am continuing to fight the communists of both parties, just as you are.  However, the "Waiting for Godot" comment was not meant to insult you or anyone. Much can be achieved but only by dealing with the reality which exists rather than waiting for something that may never come.  Don't make the Perfect the enemy of the Good!

I have come to believe If Hillary wins, conservatism will be outlawed through PC and our country will go right down the shitter! The only way to ensure this and the survival (and eventual resurgence) of a conservative movement that has a real effect on altering the course of our nation's future, seems to be that we must play the hand that we have been dealt.  Hillary and Trump are the only ones left at the table; we have a choice of supporting one or the other.  The stakes are too high to not have a seat in this game!

This does not come from drinking anyone's Kool Aid.  It is my perception of a very difficult problem and my conclusion.  Please help me understand if you see a better way for Conservatives to have an impact in shaping the near future of our county's government and culture. 

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 06:19:21 AM
Solar, I am no longer wollowing in my grief.  I did that during the time I have taken a break from politics, including participation in this forum.  Over the years, I have come to respect you and several others on this forum.  I am continuing to fight the communists of both parties, just as you are.  However, the "Waiting for Godot" comment was not meant to insult you or anyone. Much can be achieved but only by dealing with the reality which exists rather than waiting for something that may never come.  Don't make the Perfect the enemy of the Good!

I have come to believe If Hillary wins, conservatism will be outlawed through PC and our country will go right down the shitter! The only way to ensure this and the survival (and eventual resurgence) of a conservative movement that has a real effect on altering the course of our nation's future, seems to be that we must play the hand that we have been dealt.  Hillary and Trump are the only ones left at the table; we have a choice of supporting one or the other.  The stakes are too high to not have a seat in this game!

This does not come from drinking anyone's Kool Aid.  It is my perception of a very difficult problem and my conclusion.  Please help me understand if you see a better way for Conservatives to have an impact in shaping the near future of our county's government and culture.

The only way to achieve this is to quit allowing the left to dictate who our choices are, starting with Trump!
Allowing the RTNC to win this is is caving to the Establishment as we've done every election cycle since the gave us Bush.
We lost SCOTUS (think Roberts), the IRS has become a weapon against Conservatives by both party's, so a Hillary is in all truth no better or worse than the Trump scum the left forced on us.

The only way Conservatives are going to win is if we quit participating in the leftists game and steal the GOP away from these bastards.
Voting against Hillary is falling into the clutches of the left and continuing to allow them to dictate who we're allowed to vote for.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2016, 08:20:26 AM
The only way to achieve this is to quit allowing the left to dictate who our choices are, starting with Trump!
Allowing the RTNC to win this is is caving to the Establishment as we've done every election cycle since the gave us Bush.
We lost SCOTUS (think Roberts), the IRS has become a weapon against Conservatives by both party's, so a Hillary is in all truth no better or worse than the Trump scum the left forced on us.

The only way Conservatives are going to win is if we quit participating in the leftists game and steal the GOP away from these bastards.
Voting against Hillary is falling into the clutches of the left and continuing to allow them to dictate who we're allowed to vote for.

So, Do you think the wisest course is to just sit this one out, even if this means Hillary gets elected?

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 08:49:07 AM
So, Do you think the wisest course is to just sit this one out, even if this means Hillary gets elected?

So you'll throw out your principles and vote for an admitted lib?
There is no one running that deserves my support, and I'm done voting against people out of fear, which is an emotion!

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2016, 08:53:08 AM
So you'll throw out your principles and vote for an admitted lib?
There is no one running that deserves my support, and I'm done voting against people out of fear, which is an emotion!

I expect many good people will sit this one out.  I can not, in good conscience, allow the media and all the other powerful forces sway this very important election, in favor of Hillary and not do anything to try to stop her.  I'll take a chance on Trump because I am convinced we have no chance with Hillary.  There are no other choices other than Trump or Hillary; one of these two individuals will become our next POTUS.

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 09:20:12 AM
I expect many good people will sit this one out.  I can not, in good conscience, allow the media and all the other powerful forces sway this very important election, in favor of Hillary and not do anything to try to stop her.  I'll take a chance on Trump because I am convinced we have no chance with Hillary.  There are no other choices other than Trump or Hillary; one of these two individuals will become our next POTUS.

Remember Mitten? He's far more likable than Trump by a long shot, and the base sat it out then as well.
Trump is a leftist plant to get Clinton elected and the base knows it. We won't sit home, but we won't be supporting another leftist in the GOP, just what the Establishment wants.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2016, 10:43:14 AM
Remember Mitten? He's far more likable than Trump by a long shot, and the base sat it out then as well.
Trump is a leftist plant to get Clinton elected and the base knows it. We won't sit home, but we won't be supporting another leftist in the GOP, just what the Establishment wants.

It's frustrating!

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 05:21:51 AM
(almost 66; not 60) In any event..Barry Goldwater was right! We would have won the Viet Nam War and ended the cold war during his term. LBJ never would have begun his "Great Society" and the Community Restoration Act would never have been created; no FaNNY NO Freddie; no HUD and no housing bubble and no great recession in 2008. 

I'm not drinking anyone's Kool Aid. I can see that the only way we ever win is if we are in charge;otherwise the other guys win!  I don't like Trump and I don't trust him...BUT..I do know that Hillary will destroy this country and we (Conservatives) will not even be represented at the table!

I have to settle for what is achievable and that actually ain't so bad; We can have the Presidency, Both Houses of Congress and Republicans (including, possibly Mike Lee) appointed to the SCOTUS!

Time to buckle up and get with the program!  Ted Cruz came to accept reality and so should his supporters!

We have the senate and the house and what has that done for us...? I'll answer that for you....

It has only made Obama stronger. The republican party is weak and Ted Cruz just made it weaker. He has no platform to stand on anymore.

You can back a liberal democrat. That's on you my friend.

Quote from: wally on September 24, 2016, 11:17:20 AM
It's frustrating!

If more people were like the members of this forum, the GOP would have had no other option than to dump Trump, they'd never have burned Cruz in the first place.
It's this damned caving and capitulating of values that lends strength to the leftists in the GOP in their effort to destroy the Conservative movement.
Voting for Trump out of fear of Hillary does one thing, it fucks Conservatives and our ability to hold the RNC feet to the fire.

Thanks a lot...