http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-case-could-weaken-government-workers-unions-075936418.html

I am happy to see this. I only wish right to work affected airline UNIONS.

Some really telling parts of the story.

While half the states already have right-to-work laws banning mandatory fees, most members of public-employee unions are concentrated in more liberal-leaning states that don't, including California, New York and Illinois.


But union advocates say the Supreme Court case is all about politics — that conservative groups aim to weaken labor unions that tend to overwhelmingly support Democratic candidates and policies.


The challengers are backed by the same groups that supported Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's effort to take away most collective bargaining for public employees. The action has left Wisconsin's public unions reeling from membership declines of up to 70 percent.


Vincent Vernuccio, director of labor policy for the Mackinac Center, said unions have to prove their worth to members and "can no longer take those dues or fees for granted."


I can't decide if UNION dues are more of a protection racket or money laundering.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 13, 2016, 10:39:36 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-case-could-weaken-government-workers-unions-075936418.html

I am happy to see this. I only wish right to work affected airline UNIONS.

Some really telling parts of the story.

While half the states already have right-to-work laws banning mandatory fees, most members of public-employee unions are concentrated in more liberal-leaning states that don't, including California, New York and Illinois.


But union advocates say the Supreme Court case is all about politics — that conservative groups aim to weaken labor unions that tend to overwhelmingly support Democratic candidates and policies.


The challengers are backed by the same groups that supported Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's effort to take away most collective bargaining for public employees. The action has left Wisconsin's public unions reeling from membership declines of up to 70 percent.


Vincent Vernuccio, director of labor policy for the Mackinac Center, said unions have to prove their worth to members and "can no longer take those dues or fees for granted."


I can't decide if UNION dues are more of a protection racket or money laundering.

All the above and add protection racket.

I hate unions with a passion.  They promote mediocrity and hurt competition. 

They're dangerously close to creating monopolies controlled by political groups that I view as anti-American.  And who gets hurt?  The tax payers and the consumers. 

We've had Longshoremen go on strike with ships backed up, and their goods rotting.  Teamsters in cohorts with different groups.  Once we went almost three months with near empty shelves in grocery stores.  Both the market employees and the truckers were on strike together.  Cities block non-union labor for their building projects, hurting even more businesses and creating higher taxes for the citizens. 

I won't even start on what unions have done to the auto industry and the cities they were in like Detroit. Nor the Commie run unions controlling the government sectors. 

The action has left Wisconsin's public unions reeling from membership declines of up to 70 percent.

Oh.... you mean when they had a CHOICE they CHOSE to leave.

I guess they got tired of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY taking a cut of their paycheck.

Again after the TWU taking a cut of my pay for over 12 years I wish Right To Work applied to airlines. The UNION is the main reason I am glad I am in another industry now.

Racially targeted UNION propaganda.

Starts on page 4.

http://www.gc.cuny.edu/CUNY_GC/media/CUNY-Graduate-Center/PDF/Communications/1509_Union_Density2015_RGB.pdf

Sounds like the same rhetoric the Democratic Party has been repeating for years, that minorities can be successful without "help".

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 14, 2016, 04:41:58 PM
Racially targeted UNION propaganda.

Starts on page 4.

http://www.gc.cuny.edu/CUNY_GC/media/CUNY-Graduate-Center/PDF/Communications/1509_Union_Density2015_RGB.pdf

Sounds like the same rhetoric the Democratic Party has been repeating for years, that minorities can't be successful without "help".

Made a correction.

Quote from: Dori on January 13, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
I hate unions with a passion.  They promote mediocrity and hurt competition. 

They're dangerously close to creating monopolies controlled by political groups that I view as anti-American.  And who gets hurt?  The tax payers and the consumers. 

We've had Longshoremen go on strike with ships backed up, and their goods rotting.  Teamsters in cohorts with different groups.  Once we went almost three months with near empty shelves in grocery stores.  Both the market employees and the truckers were on strike together.  Cities block non-union labor for their building projects, hurting even more businesses and creating higher taxes for the citizens. 

I won't even start on what unions have done to the auto industry and the cities they were in like Detroit. Nor the Commie run unions controlling the government sectors.

Union's in our history, for workers have had a mixed bag of results.

I think they can and do have their place in our society, nothing wrong with workers getting together demanding a better wage, or safer workplace etc....

But then again I realize, that the type of union that I"m not talking about, is virtually unheard of and non-existent in a day and age where membership in the Union is often times not voluntary but mandatory if you want to be employed/keep your job.

Personally for a very long time, I've felt everyone of these mandatory union shops. Should be sued/penalized criminally for theft/fraud/extortion.

Because that's what we call it, when you by force, coerce money from someone else, who didn't wish to voluntarily give it to you in the first place.

Seriously ladies and gents, if Bernie Madoff had organized his ponzi scheme not as some kind of fake ass investment firm, but rather set it all up as a local union of some kind.

He'd have never seen a day one inside a jail cell. Because it's just a-ok, for a union to take your money without your consent, and foreknowledge in states that still allow for "closed shops".

Quote from: daidalos on January 15, 2016, 02:33:27 PM
Union's in our history, for workers have had a mixed bag of results.

I think they can and do have their place in our society, nothing wrong with workers getting together demanding a better wage, or safer workplace etc....

But then again I realize, that the type of union that I"m not talking about, is virtually unheard of and non-existent in a day and age where membership in the Union is often times not voluntary but mandatory if you want to be employed/keep your job.

Personally for a very long time, I've felt everyone of these mandatory union shops. Should be sued/penalized criminally for theft/fraud/extortion.

Because that's what we call it, when you by force, coerce money from someone else, who didn't wish to voluntarily give it to you in the first place.

Seriously ladies and gents, if Bernie Madoff had organized his ponzi scheme not as some kind of fake ass investment firm, but rather set it all up as a local union of some kind.

He'd have never seen a day one inside a jail cell. Because it's just a-ok, for a union to take your money without your consent, and foreknowledge in states that still allow for "closed shops".

Not in 2016.  They are a parasite on our economy and warp free market capitalism.

Quote from: daidalos on January 15, 2016, 02:33:27 PMI think they can and do have their place in our society, nothing wrong with workers getting together demanding a better wage, or safer workplace etc....

You need to take a good long hard look at Amtrak, the wages Amtrak employees are paid, their profit margin, and how much they cost the tax payers every year.

The UNION at Amtrak is nothing more than a funding machine for the Democratic Party at taxpayer expense. The Democratic Party pads wages of Amtrak employees with taxpayer money and then get a cut from UNION dues.

That is the truth.

Quote from: daidalos on January 15, 2016, 02:33:27 PMPersonally for a very long time, I've felt everyone of these mandatory union shops. Should be sued/penalized criminally for theft/fraud/extortion.

Why bother? Pass Right to Work and watch them fall one by one.

Why go after them one at a time when you can hit all of them at once.

The action has left Wisconsin's public unions reeling from membership declines of up to 70 percent.

Quote from: daidalos on January 15, 2016, 02:33:27 PMI think they can and do have their place in our society,

But then again I realize, that the type of union that I"m not talking about, is virtually unheard of and non-existent in a day and age where membership in the Union is often times not voluntary but mandatory if you want to be employed/keep your job.

If they are virtually unheard of and non existent then why do you feel they have a place?

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 15, 2016, 09:01:15 PM
You need to take a good long hard look at Amtrak, the wages Amtrak employees are paid, their profit margin, and how much they cost the tax payers every year.

The UNION at Amtrak is nothing more than a funding machine for the Democratic Party at taxpayer expense. The Democratic Party pads wages of Amtrak employees with taxpayer money and then get a cut from UNION dues.

That is the truth.
Why bother? Pass Right to Work and watch them fall one by one.

Why go after them one at a time when you can hit all of them at once.

The action has left Wisconsin's public unions reeling from membership declines of up to 70 percent.
If they are virtually unheard of and non existent then why do you feel they have a place?

No way, Amtrack and profit in the same sentence?

Quote from: taxed on January 15, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Not in 2016.  They are a parasite on our economy and warp free market capitalism.

Sorry taxed but in a way I have to disagree with part of that.

Capitalism is not anti-union.

I mean don't get me wrong. As they exist today I agree with what you said Taxed.

In my previous comment, I was speaking of union's as they at one time (not today) existed.

Back then it was simply the idea of workers who on their own, of their own volition form a group to try and maximize their earnings or (and this actually happened) make sure they're not working in a death trap where the slightest spark everyone burns to death in the factory.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/25/100-years-after-the-triangle-fire-are-labor-rights-moving-backw/

You don't get much more capitalistic than individuals who try to make their own conditions better, and who try to maximize their own profits.

But I agree, that is not what most if not all unions are today. Today they are nothing more than an extension of a certain political party.

Which is forcing millions of American workers to either be unemployed, or donate part of their paycheck every payday to fund their liberal get along gang.

That's not what a Union was ever supposed to be. Funny how when it's the Mob doing it, it's criminal.

But if it's a Union that does, well then that's just A-Ok.

The union managed to force "Twinkies" to go out of business, even when the workers didn't want it to happen.

Who was the union looking out for there? 

When we were going through a bunch of union strikes, you wouldn't believe the horror stories.  A couple of radio pot & pan bangers would open their lines to union workers, and the things they said were absolutely appalling. A lot of misconduct between both the unions and the employees.  I felt sorry for the employers, I would have fired the whole lot of them. 

People make an agreement with their employers as to wages, hours, benefits etc. prior to working for them.  If you don't like their conditions, then go somewhere else.  As to working conditions, there are an awful lot of laws covering that today and you can report/sue the employer if they don't comply. 

Quote from: Dori on January 16, 2016, 12:35:10 PM
The union managed to force "Twinkies" to go out of business, even when the workers didn't want it to happen.

Who was the union looking out for there? 

When we were going through a bunch of union strikes, you wouldn't believe the horror stories.  A couple of radio pot & pan bangers would open their lines to union workers, and the things they said were absolutely appalling. A lot of misconduct between both the unions and the employees.  I felt sorry for the employers, I would have fired the whole lot of them. 

People make an agreement with their employers as to wages, hours, benefits etc. prior to working for them.  If you don't like their conditions, then go somewhere else.  As to working conditions, there are an awful lot of laws covering that today and you can report/sue the employer if they don't comply.

If they can not get more wages for the employers.  They can not ask for more union dues. 

Quote from: Dori on January 16, 2016, 12:35:10 PMPeople make an agreement with their employers as to wages, hours, benefits etc. prior to working for them.

TRUTH.

Quote from: walkstall on January 16, 2016, 01:04:40 PM

If they can not get more wages for the employers.  They can not ask for more union dues.

Why?