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Umm, for being black? These two guys were arrested for nothing more than waiting for a  friend.
I don't care who you are, that isn't illegal.
It'll take more than an apology to fix this mess.
Video at link. They were calm and cooperative.






Overpriced liberal bean juice emporium Starbucks has a very serious public relations problem as it has managed to piss off a huge chunk of its customer base over an incident that went down in Philadelphia.

Two black men were sitting a Starbucks location without buying anything while “waiting for a friend” and at least one employee called the cops.

'It's racism at its ugliest level': National outrage and call for Starbucks boycott after two black men are arrested for trying to use restroom without buying anything
Two black men in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, were arrested Thursday
They were sitting in Starbucks waiting for their friend when the cops were called
The hashtag #BoycottStarbucks was trending Saturday after the incident
People called the moment 'racism at its ugliest level' in America
Starbucks CEO Kevin Johnson plans to fly to Philadelphia to apologize face-to-face with the two men who were arrested 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5616937/Outraged-social-media-users-call-boycott-Starbucks-two-black-men-arrested.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/us/philadelphia-police-starbucks-arrests/index.html

In a statement on Facebook Live, Ross said that Starbucks employees called 911 to report a trespassing complaint. The employees told officers the two men wanted to use the restroom but were told the facilities are only for paying customers. The Starbucks employees then asked the men to leave, but they refused, Ross said. Officers responded and asked the men three times "politely to leave the location because they were being asked to leave by employees because they were trespassing." When the men again refused to leave, they were arrested "without incident," Ross said. The men were taken to a police station and released when it became clear Starbucks didn't want to press charges. They did a service that they were called to do," Ross said of the officers. "And if you think about it logically, that if a business calls and they say that someone is here that I no longer wish to be in my business, (officers) now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties. And they did just that."

Sounds like the store wanted them removed. Regardless if they didn't want to press charges, they are trying to play innocent to protect their Liberal visage.

Solar: you should know better to believe video that doesn't show what happens prior to the incident.

Dont the cops share any responsibility? I mean they dont just arrest anyone because they are told too by someone on the phone. They must have believed these 2 were doing something requiring detention, right?

I hate Starbucks and I hope they get run out of business....BUT....sorry, I have to take their side. Two guys just hanging around....Waiting for a friend....yeah, what else were they doing?  Getting in the customers faces?  Intimidating the employee's, scaring off the customers? Business establisments, even the ones run by leftist assholes, have the right to eject people who are causing a disturbance or interfereing with business especially when they are NOT CUSTOMERS.  When the managers asks you to leave for ANY cause and you don't, that is indeed tresspassing. And YES that is illegal.

This is a big problem in EVERY inner city, especially when you got "Homeless" Bums, Junkies, wino's who come in, sit down don't buy anything and stink up the place, piss their pants, nod out, fall asleep on the table or hang around and annoy people. 

But Dear oh Dearie Me they are Black and we just can't have that, Black men, minorities of any sort and especially illegals get a pass. If this was two White guys who were hanging around doing the same thing, starbucks would be quacking about not tolerating racism or something

According to a witness, they were just sitting, and in an establishment with a public lobby such as this, Starbucks completely screwed up because it's not as if they had waitresses or servers that come to the table like a regular sitdown restaurant.
I actually got one of these calls once and like this lobby, it was a gray area, Watch Commander looked it up, even called the DA's office.
Turns out, if they aren't making a nuisance or interfering with business/customers, they aren't breaking the law.
It could vary from city to city/State, but in Sac, I was told to inform the complainant they may be up for a discrimination suit.

If Starbucks had any sense at all, they'd have offered these gentlemen something on the house, instead of escalating the situation.
You know, offer a sample of one of their shitty foo foo chick whatever and videotape it for CYA purposes, but this move was purely boneheaded. because some fragile little libs had never interacted with a black man before.

"Why weren't these people on the plantation the Dim party built for them, why weren't they in da hood where they belong? "
"We as liberals have been building projects like zoos to house the people, keep them from having to seek work via food stamps, welfare.
"It's not our fault they turn it into a ghetto", why, why are they here? Call the Police!!!"

That's how this is going to play out on social media and rightly so.
Anyway, that's how I'm pushing it, the left deserves to have their disgusting elitist noses rubbed in their own racist shit.

Why no, a witness NEVER, EVER LIED for political, social, or personal reasons.

Aren't there still laws on the books that are "right to refuse service" that protect the business? Maybe not for "religious" reasons but for "safety" and/or "security" reasons?

Sure, but they had to break the law first. There was no crime, there is no law that forces someone to purchase something while they wait for the rest of their party to show up.

I always thought that if you're on somebody else's property, and they ask you to leave, and you refuse, you get arrested.

No need to confuse or embellish with 1001 other tangents.  "Shoulda Coulda Woulda" is always fun, but let's stick with the core issue.

Cops are there to keep the peace.  If the cop just leaves and says "oh well, I guess we can't make anybody leave your property"....and THEN a fracas / bunch of injuries and assaults happen...... then you're blaming the cop for THAT.

The cops are just doing their job. All the responsibility lies with the complainant and in this case, Starbucks and possibly the employee will face a serious lawsuit. Which I guarantee you, Starbucks has already written out a check to make this go away...
Sure, you can have the police enforce the law, (varying from city to city), but now that the complainant refused to press charges, opens up a whole other can of worms. Question. What would a DA charge them with, in a case like this?
What the DA would look at is, can he prosecute, was there an injury, damages, disturbing the peace, loss of revenue? How would McDonald's deal with this?
Problem is, Starbucks pretends to be this bastion of Utopian inclusiveness then turns around and insults the black community, the last thing they wanted. And yes, truth is, this was about race, a scared little lib called the cops.

The only time I've ever seen a business uphold this rule, is where the homeless is concerned, vagrants, which in some communities, is still against the law.
I'm really playing Devil's advocate here because I want the left to own this shit, Shit they've been inflicting on the country for far too long.

Yeah, getting rid of the reeking bums who basically live in fast food places is the most obvious / consistent version;  I think that's the precedent.  If you don't want somebody in your business for a rational reason, like they're scaring (or disgusting) the customers away, as with the bums....... or they're taking up seats / tables with no plans to buy anything (these 2 guys), that the proprietor needs to make money from............ then it's just the call of the business owner.  He can give up profits to be nice to both groups, or he has the right to ask them to leave.  Has literally nothing to do with race, police, or anything else blamed in this case.

The police are just enforcing the law that says "you can't hang around on somebody else's property and refuse to leave".  That has no real gray area.

I think it was the DA that said "no crime", which really means "no crime that I feel like prosecuting".  Cops say there was a crime, hence the arrest.  DA's overrule and ignore the cops all the time, typically for selfish, lazy, or political reasons.

Here ya go.

The two men had gone to the Starbucks to meet Andrew Yaffe, the white man who can be seen in the video questioning the police officers, according to Wimmer.

Yaffe could not immediately be reached for comment, but Wimmer told BuzzFeed News he is a friend of the two men. He runs a real estate development, investment, and management firm, and the men were meeting with him "to discuss potential residential and commercial real estate opportunities in Philadelphia," she said.

The two men had not ordered immediately upon arriving, as they were still waiting for Yaffe. While they waited for him, "a white female manager who was on duty at the time" asked them to leave, said Wimmer.

When they said they were just waiting for another person to arrive before ordering, she phoned the police, Wimmer said.

"How many times have we sat in Starbucks minding our own business, waiting for a friend to come, and then we order?" Wimmer said.

 
 
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When Yaffe arrived and found the two men being arrested, he called Wimmer, whom he is also friends with, she said.

The two men were arrested around 5:30 p.m., and were fingerprinted and photographed by police.

Police told Wimmer they had arrested the men for "defiant trespassing."

The District Attorney did not approve the charges, and the two men were released around 2:00 a.m. on Friday.

"Two young black men, who were simply waiting to be joined by a friend, were blatantly discriminated against based on their race," Wimmer said in a tweet. "Not only is this inexcusable, it's illegal."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/starbucks-arrest-viral-black-men-waiting-philadelphia?utm_term=.jhDKXgo67#.kqzR0PjbA

I assume the left are protesting outside this Starbucks.