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Title: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Bronx on May 01, 2017, 11:34:54 AM
......................................... :popcorn:

Bored with winning: New spending bill has no money for the wall, no cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Planned Parenthood

urveying the total fiscal wreckage of this deal, Philip Klein comments that it's what you'd expect if Democrats controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress rather than the GOP. If you think that's an exaggeration, spend some time with Bloomberg's report and take in the full extent of this defeat. A blockquote can't do it justice.

If Boehner had negotiated this deal, right-wing media would destroy him for it. If Ryan had negotiated this deal under Obama, right-wing media would destroy him for it. But because Trump's going to sign this deal — I assume — and call it a "victory" since it avoids a shutdown until September, we're looking at half a day of grumbles.

"Overall," Bloomberg sniffs, echoing Klein, "the compromise resembles more of an Obama administration-era budget than a Trump one." The bill even allows DHS to increase the number of H-2B visas through September, for fark's sake. As for the scant Republican "victories," most of them also represent climbdowns from what the GOP was initially demanding. Trump got $15 billion more in defense spending, but that was less than what he asked for; he got $1.5 billion for border security, as noted above, but that was half of the $3 billion he requested and comes with the limitations described by Bloomberg. The only clear win, it seems, was striking a permanent rather than temporary deal on health care for retired coal miners, although I'm sure that was a fight Democrats were happy to "lose." They need to rebuild their party among working-class whites. That's something they can point to.

READ MORE.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/05/01/bored-winning-new-spending-bill-no-money-wall-no-cuts-sanctuary-cities-funding-planned-parenthood/
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: supsalemgr on May 01, 2017, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Bronx on May 01, 2017, 11:34:54 AM
......................................... :popcorn:

Bored with winning: New spending bill has no money for the wall, no cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Planned Parenthood

urveying the total fiscal wreckage of this deal, Philip Klein comments that it's what you'd expect if Democrats controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress rather than the GOP. If you think that's an exaggeration, spend some time with Bloomberg's report and take in the full extent of this defeat. A blockquote can't do it justice.

If Boehner had negotiated this deal, right-wing media would destroy him for it. If Ryan had negotiated this deal under Obama, right-wing media would destroy him for it. But because Trump's going to sign this deal — I assume — and call it a "victory" since it avoids a shutdown until September, we're looking at half a day of grumbles.

"Overall," Bloomberg sniffs, echoing Klein, "the compromise resembles more of an Obama administration-era budget than a Trump one." The bill even allows DHS to increase the number of H-2B visas through September, for fark's sake. As for the scant Republican "victories," most of them also represent climbdowns from what the GOP was initially demanding. Trump got $15 billion more in defense spending, but that was less than what he asked for; he got $1.5 billion for border security, as noted above, but that was half of the $3 billion he requested and comes with the limitations described by Bloomberg. The only clear win, it seems, was striking a permanent rather than temporary deal on health care for retired coal miners, although I'm sure that was a fight Democrats were happy to "lose." They need to rebuild their party among working-class whites. That's something they can point to.

READ MORE.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/05/01/bored-winning-new-spending-bill-no-money-wall-no-cuts-sanctuary-cities-funding-planned-parenthood/

While I would have liked to have all our conservative desires with this CR, let us remember this is just for five months to get us to the next fiscal year. Now the real test begins. We have a GOP WH and congress. Budget legislation only requires 51 votes in the senate. The pressure is now on the GOP to pass a conservative budget. They cannot blame the democrats if they can't get a budget. They need to be totally tone deaf to Schumer and Pelosi. F--k them! Let 'em scream.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: tac on May 01, 2017, 03:08:25 PM
Looks like a democrat drafted budget.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 01, 2017, 03:48:04 PM
So much for the "Great Deal Maker".
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 01, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 01, 2017, 12:42:40 PM
While I would have liked to have all our conservative desires with this CR, let us remember this is just for five months to get us to the next fiscal year. Now the real test begins. We have a GOP WH and congress. Budget legislation only requires 51 votes in the senate. The pressure is now on the GOP to pass a conservative budget. They cannot blame the democrats if they can't get a budget. They need to be totally tone deaf to Schumer and Pelosi. F--k them! Let 'em scream.

I realize that this budget only takes us into September; but what make you think that the next budget will be any better? So far the GOP majority in the House has been a major disappointment; first the Bammycare blunder and now the budget the doesn't include money appropriated for what President Trump is trying to accomplish. Did we  really expect anything different out of Ryan?  Things aren't going to change as long as he's Speaker. He will cost the GOP seats in the House that we can't afford to lose in 2018.  I'm really surprised that there hasn't been a demand from Trump supporters to replace Ryan.

Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 01, 2017, 04:11:04 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 01, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
I realize that this budget only takes us into September; but what make you think that the next budget will be any better? So far the GOP majority in the House has been a major disappointment; first the Bammycare blunder and now the budget the doesn't include money appropriated for what President Trump is trying to accomplish. Did we  really expect anything different out of Ryan?  Things aren't going to change as long as he's Speaker. He will cost the GOP seats in the House that we can't afford to lose in 2018.  I'm really surprised that there hasn't been a demand from Trump supporters to replace Ryan.
If they're RINO seats, who cares? At this point the GOP'e are no different than when Fuglosi was running things, in fact, I'd say worse because at least we knew what the left wanted.
I say good riddance to the RINO scum, even if it meant giving Dims control again, (which isn't going to happen for years) but if it did, at least we wouldn't have to fight our own party to get the right thing done.

Screw the gop'E, let the scum suffer.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Possum on May 01, 2017, 04:21:41 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 01, 2017, 04:11:04 PM
If they're RINO seats, who cares? At this point the GOP'e are no different than when Fuglosi was running things, in fact, I'd say worse because at least we knew what the left wanted.
I say good riddance to the RINO scum, even if it meant giving Dims control again, (which isn't going to happen for years) but if it did, at least we wouldn't have to fight our own party to get the right thing done.

Screw the gop'E, let the scum suffer.
We're getting what we knew we were going to get with a rino congress and a liberal president. And to think we could have had Cruz.  I hope the lsm chocks on supper tonight.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: ldub23 on May 01, 2017, 04:25:23 PM
To me an increase in defense spending isnt a "win". There is no reason to vote republican in 2018 and  i am very  confident dems will win the house and senate. Its as if reps WANT to be the minority.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 01, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on May 01, 2017, 04:25:23 PM
To me an increase in defense spending isnt a "win". There is no reason to vote republican in 2018 and  i am very  confident dems will win the house and senate. Its as if reps WANT to be the minority.
Let me guess, you get your news from CNN or MSNBC?
Perez just affirmed, despite Fuglosi protestations, and half the party threatening to leave, he stated, No Prolifers welcome in the party.
And you think they have a shot? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They have to first hit bottom before they can resurrect the dead, then they need to bull shit an entirely new generation like they did the Millennial, that caught onto their lies.
No, I've been saying it for years, the Dim party killed itself off.

Tell me, how is moving further left going to get these idiots elected, especially when the GOP is further left than the DNC of the 1970s?
Seriously, I'm all ears, show me what the party has to offer libs that the GOP isn't already giving them in this Bill, I really want to understand what it is you think the Dims have to offer?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: quiller on May 02, 2017, 03:16:33 AM
Quote from: tac on May 01, 2017, 03:08:25 PM
Looks like a democrat drafted budget.

Doesn't it, though!

QuoteDemocrats won the latest shutdown showdown fight, triumphing over President Trump on nearly every major issue in the $1 trillion spending bill negotiators announced early Monday.

Mr. Trump emerged with more money for the Pentagon, but the funds will be tacked onto the deficit rather than offset by the deep domestic cuts the president sought. Mr. Trump also failed to get any money for his border wall and was forced to agree to make "unauthorized" Obamacare payments.

Democrats, meanwhile, struggled to think of a single major fight they lost — and couldn't come up with any significant defeat in the bill.  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/1/donald-trump-defeated-by-democrats-on-spending-bil/

And the babies keep getting butchered while doubling the visas will only guarantee further unemployment for U.S. citizens.

Was there ever any doubt the GOP is only a branch of the Democrats?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: ldub23 on May 02, 2017, 03:30:54 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 01, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Let me guess, you get your news from CNN or MSNBC?
Perez just affirmed, despite Fuglosi protestations, and half the party threatening to leave, he stated, No Prolifers welcome in the party.
And you think they have a shot? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They have to first hit bottom before they can resurrect the dead, then they need to bull shit an entirely new generation like they did the Millennial, that caught onto their lies.
No, I've been saying it for years, the Dim party killed itself off.

Tell me, how is moving further left going to get these idiots elected, especially when the GOP is further left than the DNC of the 1970s?
Seriously, I'm all ears, show me what the party has to offer libs that the GOP isn't already giving them in this Bill, I really want to understand what it is you think the Dims have to offer?

We will find  out  next year. If the dem party is dead then why was a democrat budget  just  passed by Paul Ryan?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: quiller on May 02, 2017, 03:46:55 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on May 02, 2017, 03:30:54 AM
We will find  out  next year. If the dem party is dead then why was a democrat budget  just  passed by Paul Ryan?

You sure that wasn't his political suicide note?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: supsalemgr on May 02, 2017, 04:50:06 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 01, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
I realize that this budget only takes us into September; but what make you think that the next budget will be any better? So far the GOP majority in the House has been a major disappointment; first the Bammycare blunder and now the budget the doesn't include money appropriated for what President Trump is trying to accomplish. Did we  really expect anything different out of Ryan?  Things aren't going to change as long as he's Speaker. He will cost the GOP seats in the House that we can't afford to lose in 2018.  I'm really surprised that there hasn't been a demand from Trump supporters to replace Ryan.

Please reread my post. I clearly stated the test for the GOP comes in September when they hold all the cards. Trump made a good call not to shut down the government as that would have become a gift wrapped issue for the democrats.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 02, 2017, 07:16:57 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on May 02, 2017, 03:30:54 AM
We will find  out  next year. If the dem party is dead then why was a democrat budget  just  passed by Paul Ryan?
I'll ask you again, what does the DNC have to offer that the GOP didn't give the left?
Note quiller's post above mine.

"Democrats, meanwhile, struggled to think of a single major fight they lost — and couldn't come up with any significant defeat in the bill."
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Bronx on May 02, 2017, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 02, 2017, 04:50:06 AM
Please reread my post. I clearly stated the test for the GOP comes in September when they hold all the cards. Trump made a good call not to shut down the government as that would have become a gift wrapped issue for the democrats.

I really don't understand this. Please help me understand the reason to avoid a shutdown of the government now only to shutdown the government in Sept...?

What i'm missing here...?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: supsalemgr on May 02, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: Bronx on May 02, 2017, 08:46:07 AM
I really don't understand this. Please help me understand the reason to avoid a shutdown of the government now only to shutdown the government in Sept...?

What i'm missing here...?

Shutting down the government now would be a huge distraction when the GOP is trying to get something done on healthcare and taxes. Also, this was a CR which requires 60 votes in the senate to cut off debate. It has been a long time since we have actually done a budget. Budget items only require a simple majority in the senate. If the government shuts down in October it will be a whole different scenario. As i have posted. it is now in the GOP's court for the budget.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 02, 2017, 10:19:29 AM
Trump is happy with this new budget and even further he's happy that the bill OUTLAWS a future border wall.

Now ... does anyone still doubt that he was merely a siphon for the DEMS?

Does anyone believe that the next justice he appoints to SCOTUS will be conservative? 

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/05/trump_very_happy_with_bill_outlawing_future_border_wall.html
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: walkstall on May 02, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 02, 2017, 10:19:29 AM
Trump is happy with this new budget and even further he's happy that the bill OUTLAWS a future border wall.

Now ... does anyone still doubt that he was merely a siphon for the DEMS?

Does anyone believe that the next justice he appoints to SCOTUS will be conservative? 

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/05/trump_very_happy_with_bill_outlawing_future_border_wall.html

ONLY a fool said he was not a Dem, with and R in front of his name.   I keep looking for the good he can do.  He has done a hell of a lot more then b o has done in 8 years. Just in his first 100 days.   Is Trump a RINO?  YES but so is half of the Republican Party and the people that crossed over and voted for him.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: quiller on May 02, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on May 02, 2017, 03:30:54 AM
We will find  out  next year. If the dem party is dead then why was a democrat budget  just  passed by Paul Ryan?

If the Dems were ALIVE, Hillary would be President. And any party with as poor a "bench" as they have should simply disband and scatter.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 02, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
If the Dems were ALIVE, Hillary would be President. And any party with as poor a "bench" as they have should simply disband and scatter.
That's not out of the realm of possibility. I could easily see the members jumping ship and supporting one of many 3rd party's, like the Green Party, Socialist party, even the communist party.
Though the Green party was the most closely aligned with that of the DNC platform, minus the corruption....yet to take place, they are after all, Marxists at the core, lying and corruption is the heart of the communist.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Possum on May 02, 2017, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
That's not out of the realm of possibility. I could easily see the members jumping ship and supporting one of many 3rd party's, like the Green Party, Socialist party, even the communist party.
Though the Green party was the most closely aligned with that of the DNC platform, minus the corruption....yet to take place, they are after all, Marxists at the core, lying and corruption is the heart of the communist.
I can also see the conservatives moving out of the republican party and forming their own 3rd party, and the rinos welcoming the dems into the party. Only thing that has surprised me about this congressional house is that they did not elect pelosi as speaker.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 02, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: s3779m on May 02, 2017, 02:00:35 PM
I can also see the conservatives moving out of the republican party and forming their own 3rd party, and the rinos welcoming the dems into the party. Only thing that has surprised me about this congressional house is that they did not elect pelosi as speaker.
That's exactly what the Establishment has been trying to accomplish for decades, to get Conservatives out of the GOP.
Think about it, the left seized the DNC and now have financial control over the RNC, so without a Dim party to fear, and a weakened Conservative 3rd party, the Marxist would achieve their lifelong dream of taking over the country.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: quiller on May 02, 2017, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
That's not out of the realm of possibility. I could easily see the members jumping ship and supporting one of many 3rd party's, like the Green Party, Socialist party, even the communist party.
Though the Green party was the most closely aligned with that of the DNC platform, minus the corruption....yet to take place, they are after all, Marxists at the core, lying and corruption is the heart of the communist.

There was a brief time about four or five years back when I grudgingly gave Sanders credit for at least being an open socialist. The same for bozos like Gus Hall the communist. They didn't lie, they stood up and took political punches for what they believed and that at least was on the surface where voters could see it and decide for themselves.

I didn't like his message. I did give him credit for his guts. I can't say it about Democrats. You bet I can keep my health care plan and my doctor. You bet I saved thousands just doing what they said. You can bet, but you'd lose. They delivered neither. The only thing they did deliver were more lies.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 02, 2017, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: walkstall on May 02, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
ONLY a fool said he was not a Dem, with and R in front of his name.   I keep looking for the good he can do.  He has done a hell of a lot more then b o has done in 8 years. Just in his first 100 days.   Is Trump a RINO?  YES but so is half of the Republican Party and the people that crossed over and voted for him.

The bigger problem is that there are liberals who have (or will) run under the GOP umbrella because they know that the DEM party is pretty much dead and they can't win as a DEM.  Many people will still fail to do their research and vote for people just because they have an 'R' by their name. 
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: walkstall on May 02, 2017, 06:48:58 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 02, 2017, 04:32:30 PM
The bigger problem is that there are liberals who have (or will) run under the GOP umbrella because they know that the DEM party is pretty much dead and they can't win as a DEM.  Many people will still fail to do their research and vote for people just because they have an 'R' by their name.

What's new, this have been going on all my life time.  And that's one hell a lot of years.  Most people look only what in it for them.  They don't look and see who's been lying to them all these years.   When it sounds good run the other way and do one hell a lot of checking.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 02, 2017, 08:01:55 PM
Quote from: walkstall on May 02, 2017, 06:48:58 PM
What's new, this have been going on all my life time.  And that's one hell a lot of years.  Most people look only what in it for them.  They don't look and see who's been lying to them all these years.   When it sounds good run the other way and do one hell a lot of checking.
Yep, stupid one issue voters.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Fishman on May 02, 2017, 08:49:07 PM
It's like we gave up a year's salary so we could light bottle rockets for 15 minutes longer on the 4th. Yea, sounds like a heck of a deal all right... :cursing:
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: taxed on May 02, 2017, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2017, 03:33:40 PM
There was a brief time about four or five years back when I grudgingly gave Sanders credit for at least being an open socialist. The same for bozos like Gus Hall the communist. They didn't lie, they stood up and took political punches for what they believed and that at least was on the surface where voters could see it and decide for themselves.

I didn't like his message. I did give him credit for his guts. I can't say it about Democrats. You bet I can keep my health care plan and my doctor. You bet I saved thousands just doing what they said. You can bet, but you'd lose. They delivered neither. The only thing they did deliver were more lies.

He's a communist, and he hides from it.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: quiller on May 03, 2017, 05:04:51 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 02, 2017, 11:25:21 PM
He's a communist, and he hides from it.

Back then the Donks weren't openly socialist. He stood out as being less a a flaming liar than the rest of them...back then. How many mansions does he own now?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 10:27:06 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 02, 2017, 04:50:06 AM
Please reread my post. I clearly stated the test for the GOP comes in September when they hold all the cards. Trump made a good call not to shut down the government as that would have become a gift wrapped issue for the democrats.

September can come but this bill outlaws and prevents any future building of the wall.

" Even if Donald Trump somehow got the Mexicans to pay for it, this legislation would still prohibit him from building the wall.  Trump has incredibly agreed to give up the authorization already on the books to allow him to build a wall."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/05/trump_very_happy_with_bill_outlawing_future_border_wall.html
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 03, 2017, 10:43:58 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 10:27:06 AM
September can come but this bill outlaws and prevents any future building of the wall.

" Even if Donald Trump somehow got the Mexicans to pay for it, this legislation would still prohibit him from building the wall.  Trump has incredibly agreed to give up the authorization already on the books to allow him to build a wall."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/05/trump_very_happy_with_bill_outlawing_future_border_wall.html
I wouldn't put too much faith in that opinion piece, the author got his so called facts from a Washpo article that is equally vague in backing up their claims.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/05/01/daily-202-eight-ways-trump-got-rolled-in-his-first-budget-negotiation/590687f2e9b69b3a72331f09/
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: supsalemgr on May 03, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2017, 10:43:58 AM
I wouldn't put too much faith in that opinion piece, the author got his so called facts from a Washpo article that is equally vague in backing up their claims.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/05/01/daily-202-eight-ways-trump-got-rolled-in-his-first-budget-negotiation/590687f2e9b69b3a72331f09/

Agreed. In Washington "permanent" means until the next bill is passed.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Solar on May 03, 2017, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 03, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Agreed. In Washington "permanent" means until the next bill is passed.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep...
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 12:32:18 PM
As reported by CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/mick-mulvaney-wall/
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: walkstall on May 03, 2017, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 12:32:18 PM
As reported by CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/mick-mulvaney-wall/

So much for the gloom and doom on the wall.  The door is open yet for  September as supsalemgr has said in more then one of his posts. 



Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: supsalemgr on May 03, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 12:32:18 PM
As reported by CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/mick-mulvaney-wall/

Do you actually believe how CNN reports?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 03, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
Do you actually believe how CNN reports?

You didn't like the first news source, so I founded another news source, but o.k.  I'll play along and pretend that miraculously everything that Trump wants is going to happen in September...perhaps you've got some inside information that Ryan is going to be replaced by then and RINO's are retiring and there are going to be several 'special elections' held and the RINO's are all going to be replaced by true conservatives.  All this will happen of course in the next 3 months just in time for the September budget. - OR - more realistically the DEMS have already realized they've won and aren't going to budge in September; in fact, they're going to make a 'deal' for getting more of what they want and Trump and Ryan will be more than happy to pander to them just as they already have.

I'm considering what several news sources have stated and I'm looking at things from a realistic point of view based on what has already happened in Trump's first 100 days, his reputation for back pedaling and his liberalism over the years.  I'd mention his connections to the Clintons and Soros, but that 's a whole other conversation.
Title: AP FACT CHECK: Is there new border wall money in the budget?
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
AP FACT CHECK: Is there new border wall money in the budget?

The Trump administration sought Tuesday to defend its budget compromise with Congress, saying it's a start to President Donald Trump's promise to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border. But it claimed more than the deal really provides.....

.....THE FACTS: The deal to keep the government running through September doesn't have money to build any new fencing or walls along the roughly 2,000-mile (3,218-kilometer) border with Mexico. The deal does provide $772 million for border security, money that can be used for repairs to existing fencing or vehicle barriers that spread across just over 650 miles (1,046 kilometers) in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

Most of the existing fencing and barriers were built under the Bush administration as part of the 2006 Secure Fence Act, though some of the construction was completed by the Obama administration.

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MULVANEY: "There is money in this deal to build several hundreds of millions of dollars of this to replace this," he said, gesturing to photos that show new steel fencing replacing a chain-link fence a stretch of border in New Mexico just outside El Paso, Texas. "That's what we got in this deal and that's what the Democrats don't want you to know. This stuff is going up now."

THE FACTS: Steel fencing is going up in the Border Patrol's El Paso sector. But that project was approved and started by the Obama administration. In fact, it's replacing fencing that predates the 2006 law that mandated the construction of hundreds of miles of new fencing along the border...........

https://www.apnews.com/1f22900111de4a0087f34f866fec2935/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Is-there-new-border-wall-money-in-the-budget?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: taxed on May 03, 2017, 11:35:23 PM
Quote from: quiller on May 03, 2017, 05:04:51 AM
Back then the Donks weren't openly socialist. He stood out as being less a a flaming liar than the rest of them...back then. How many mansions does he own now?

Like I always say, nobody loves capitalism more than a Marxist....
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: supsalemgr on May 04, 2017, 04:41:57 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
You didn't like the first news source, so I founded another news source, but o.k.  I'll play along and pretend that miraculously everything that Trump wants is going to happen in September...perhaps you've got some inside information that Ryan is going to be replaced by then and RINO's are retiring and there are going to be several 'special elections' held and the RINO's are all going to be replaced by true conservatives.  All this will happen of course in the next 3 months just in time for the September budget. - OR - more realistically the DEMS have already realized they've won and aren't going to budge in September; in fact, they're going to make a 'deal' for getting more of what they want and Trump and Ryan will be more than happy to pander to them just as they already have.

I'm considering what several news sources have stated and I'm looking at things from a realistic point of view based on what has already happened in Trump's first 100 days, his reputation for back pedaling and his liberalism over the years.  I'd mention his connections to the Clintons and Soros, but that 's a whole other conversation.

I do not know what is going to happen in September, but I do believe Ryan will still be in charge. I wish he would not be, but he will not be ousted. I just believe the real test for the GOP will be the budget for 2018 which should be done in September. This five month CR is not a big deal. A possible shutdown would be a huge distraction for the GOP. There is much to be done and dealing with a shutdown would be harmful.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: quiller on May 04, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 04, 2017, 04:41:57 AM
A possible shutdown would be a huge distraction for the GOP. There is much to be done and dealing with a shutdown would be harmful.

How?
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: quiller on May 04, 2017, 05:09:27 AM
Quote from: taxed on May 03, 2017, 11:35:23 PM
Like I always say, nobody loves capitalism more than a Marxist....

I suppose the inverse holds true as well: nobody hates Marxists more than those who'd lose the most should they win.

Now we have to figure out who is on which side, and how to stop them before they take it all.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: supsalemgr on May 04, 2017, 08:05:09 AM
Quote from: quiller on May 04, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
How?

Everything would be about the shutdown and things that need to be done would take a backseat.
Title: Re: Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood
Post by: Ms.Independence on May 04, 2017, 09:32:58 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 04, 2017, 04:41:57 AM
I do not know what is going to happen in September, but I do believe Ryan will still be in charge. I wish he would not be, but he will not be ousted. I just believe the real test for the GOP will be the budget for 2018 which should be done in September. This five month CR is not a big deal. A possible shutdown would be a huge distraction for the GOP. There is much to be done and dealing with a shutdown would be harmful.

Yes, Ryan will still be in charge and he is part of the problem rather than the solution.  Ironing out problems now however, IMHO will be easier than trying to iron things out in the future for the simple reason, the DEMS/RINO's have already gotten their way. What is going to encourage them to budge in September or not demand more?? People always panic at the thought of a shutdown, but let the government shutdown. The reality is that the government would only shutdown partially and the affects in part would be dependent on how long the government shuts down.  People would still get their social security checks, their mail, food stamps, though people wouldn't be able to visit national parks or museums.  That's a brief summation, and I don't pretend my any means to take a shutdown lightly, but it's always been used as a bargaining chip and the blame game this time would be on the DEMS.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/24/what-happens-in-a-government-shutdown/100838716/