And apparently ignored this last time, is the young voter, the Dims are doing all they can to secure these people, the GOP{ better be looking ahead for a change, instead of playing defense all the damn time.
In 2020—the first presidential election where all Millennials will have reached voting age—this generation will be 103 million strong, of which about 90 million will be eligible voters. Those 90 million Millennial eligible voters will represent just under 40 percent of America's eligible voters.
Read more: http://generationopportunity.org/#ixzz2H24RdGKY (http://generationopportunity.org/#ixzz2H24RdGKY)
I think the GOP really needs to fight back on the BS that the Dem's are the only party that looks out for the interest of the minority. I believe that the primary cause of Obama getting elected is how the minorities voted for Obama with such a high margin. If you get a small group of voters to vote nearly unanimously for one candidate the other candidate needs to be overwhelmingly popular among the rest of the voters.
I think the media avoids talking about this but when 20+ percent of the voters vote nearly unanimously for Obama it is not likely that any of the other groups will be so polarized that such a majority can be overcome.
Then toss in the takers who do not want their free ride cut off well beating Obama in my view was a nearly impossible task. Remember that the majority of the people on welfare are white, Obama started with a big head start. I think 26 districts in the Philadelphia did not have a single vote cast for Romney. I think that is why every single minority conservative gets attacked viciously so that they appear to not represent their race at all. I listened in disgust as the Dem's during the convention talk about how minorities were not represented at the Republican convention. I watched a good amount of it and quite a few of the speakers were from one minority or another and all of them were nominees of their party. Meaning that in the primaries where the Rep party picks their candidate they selected these people to represent them. I did not hear one word in protest that the Rep party did indeed support both women and minorities.
I do not disagree that attention has to be given to the younger voters but I think worst they may be skewed toward a liberal view it will not be all of them that feel that way. Less liberals would be good but I think the GOP really needs a way to message the African American's in a way that they come to understand that voting for a Rep is probably going to actually going to be in their best interest. Not sure how you point out how the Dem's have conned them up to this point but if that point can be made the GOP will have a chance to succeed in future elections.
Why all this pandering to groups. We're supposed to be AMERICANS. They all need to be educated as AMERICAN and not young skulls full of mush or Africans living in America. I'm tired of so many AMERICANS who have divided THEMSELVES from the rest of my country. I refuse to pander to anyone.
The GOP needs a PR firm...
Quote from: Yawn on January 04, 2013, 04:24:08 PM
Why all this pandering to groups. We're supposed to be AMERICANS. They all need to be educated as AMERICAN and not young skulls full of mush or Africans living in America. I'm tired of so many AMERICANS who have divided THEMSELVES from the rest of my country. I refuse to pander to anyone.
I think there is a huge difference in pandering and educating.
Point was, that nearly a third of the voting public will be young millenials, we need to target them yesterday.
Boos right, the GOP needs a new PR firm.
Quote from: The Fallen on January 04, 2013, 06:17:14 PM
I take offence in that seeing I have some African blood running in my veins, I also have Indian and white blood running in my veins. And God knows what other blood that's running.
We not only have young skulls full of mush or Africans living in America but a host of others young skulls full of mush living in America.
Were you offended?
Quote from: The Fallen on January 04, 2013, 06:17:14 PM
I take offence in that seeing I have some African blood running in my veins, I also have Indian and white blood running in my veins. And God knows what other blood that's running.
We not only have young skulls full of mush or Africans living in America but a host of others young skulls full of mush living in America.
Yes. We should pander to you and your "special needs" because you have some "special" blood.
Nobody gives a damn (and shouldn't) if I'm offended by something. I have no idea why you would declare your "offense" or why I should care. Please tell me why you deserve to be pandered to because of your belief in your "special blood."
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
I think there is a huge difference in pandering and educating.
Point was, that nearly a third of the voting public will be young millenials, we need to target them yesterday.
Boos right, the GOP needs a new PR firm.
Yes. ALL people need to educated as AMERICANS and stop this dividing. The GOOD news is that the young don't vote.
I can't find the link, but I remember a radio talk show host (can't remember which one) who said more whites over the age of 65 voted than all blacks combined. Yet we keep chasing after groups that know nothing else but to vote Democrat. My father was one of those. He worshiped FDR and believed he got us out of the Depression. It was true of my father, the unions, and blacks. I don't hold out hope that any of these groups (as an entire group) can be reached. Add young women who don't expect to marry. They look to Godvernment as their "spouse."
Quote from: Yawn on January 04, 2013, 04:24:08 PM
Why all this pandering to groups. We're supposed to be AMERICANS. They all need to be educated as AMERICAN and not young skulls full of mush or Africans living in America. I'm tired of so many AMERICANS who have divided THEMSELVES from the rest of my country. I refuse to pander to anyone.
Well said!
Consider this. Pope John Paul II was one of the most popular popes with young Catholics that has been seen in quite sometime. Was this because he tailored his policies and message to "go after" the young Catholics?
NO! He was also one of the most Conservative Popes (as far as dogma was concerned) too!
But, you know what? Those young Catholics knew what he stood for and they knew exactly where they stood with him. And they respected that.
We don't need to pander to various demographic sub groups, we just need men and women in office who will stand up for what they believe in!
Yes! It really is just that effing simple!
The problem is very basic
Us: Obamacare is unconstitutional and will never work. Socialized medicine has never worked and is it financially unsustainable.
Them: Why do you want people to die in the gutter?
Us: Social Security is unsustainable as it is.
Them: Why do you want old people to live on cat food?
Us: Welfare needs to be restructured. We need to help the poor no subsidize them.
Them: Why do you hate black people?
Quote from: Yawn on January 04, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
Yes. ALL people need to educated as AMERICANS and stop this dividing. The GOOD news is that the young don't vote.
I can't find the link, but I remember a radio talk show host (can't remember which one) who said more whites over the age of 65 voted than all blacks combined. Yet we keep chasing after groups that know nothing else but to vote Democrat. My father was one of those. He worshiped FDR and believed he got us out of the Depression. It was true of my father, the unions, and blacks. I don't hold out hope that any of these groups (as an entire group) can be reached. Add young women who don't expect to marry. They look to Godvernment as their "spouse."
Yes, which is why we need to be targeting them now and not take for granted they will see the light on their own.
It's like assuming every child has an innocent heart, until they kill, then wonder why.
Libs know this and target kids all the time like the rock star image they gave Husein, and those high school mush minds grew up to voting age and voted the Marxist in.
We need to be going after the next voting group with a vengeance and quit taking them for granted.
There are so many ways, the leftists have them for 13+ years all throughout their formative years, we need to combat that through vouchers, music, media of all kinds, as well as video games.
The left has a death grip on all of those, and we combat it with nothing?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 04, 2013, 10:11:15 PM
The problem is very basic
Us: Obamacare is unconstitutional and will never work. Socialized medicine has never worked and is it financially unsustainable.
Them: Why do you want people to die in the gutter?
Us: Social Security is unsustainable as it is.
Them: Why do you want old people to live on cat food?
Us: Welfare needs to be restructured. We need to help the poor no subsidize them.
Them: Why do you hate black people?
Us: We need to get people to work, take responsibility for their lives, and start saving money for retirement.
Them: People that save money are greedy. Same with people that invest their after tax income. We must impose higher taxes on investment income, as well as a very stiff death tax on estates. These ill gotten gains belong to the "People", and will be properly distributed by the government.
Ya know what offends me? People that get offended. :laugh:
What offends me is a republican acting like a democrap. So as to not offend me, i'm thinking the republicans need to fold or just claim democrap status and let the consevatives have their party then I won't be offended anymore and then I can rest on my couch drinking a nice cup of hot "TEA" watching Atlanta Falcon Football.
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 08:10:26 AM
Ya know what offends me? People that get offended. :laugh:
Hmm....
If your going to post on a political board you need thick skin.
Hell........ you even need thick skin on a Religion Forum.
Two thing you should not discuss if you get offended easily politics and religion. :popcorn:
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:04:17 AM
taxed you ask (Were you offended?) Yes i was, but not to the point where the other guy think I was.. Yes I do have some "special needs" They are called The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit. I also have ,"special" blood. It's the blood my God gave to the first man. Just like the Son I DON'T need him or anyone to pandered to me because of my belief in my "special blood."
Those who don't have those "special needs" called The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit, don't have this "special blood."
He said, Nobody gives a damn (and shouldn't) if I'm offended by something. I don't know why he think he can speak for all, but as for myself I do get offended by something others an someone may say about others that are signal out for doing the same things others do and have did in the past. It's call love. This "special blood" and "special needs" I have
1) I'm glad you're offended.
2) If you want to post on religious topics, please do so in the Religion forum.
Quote from: taxed on January 05, 2013, 11:06:32 AM
1) I'm glad you're offended.
2) If you want to post on religious topics, please do so in the Religion forum.
He will need thick skin there also.
Quote from: raptor5618 on January 04, 2013, 11:13:59 AM
I think the GOP really needs to fight back on the BS that the Dem's are the only party that looks out for the interest of the minority. I believe that the primary cause of Obama getting elected is how the minorities voted for Obama with such a high margin. If you get a small group of voters to vote nearly unanimously for one candidate the other candidate needs to be overwhelmingly popular among the rest of the voters.
I think the media avoids talking about this but when 20+ percent of the voters vote nearly unanimously for Obama it is not likely that any of the other groups will be so polarized that such a majority can be overcome.
Then toss in the takers who do not want their free ride cut off well beating Obama in my view was a nearly impossible task. Remember that the majority of the people on welfare are white, Obama started with a big head start. I think 26 districts in the Philadelphia did not have a single vote cast for Romney. I think that is why every single minority conservative gets attacked viciously so that they appear to not represent their race at all. I listened in disgust as the Dem's during the convention talk about how minorities were not represented at the Republican convention. I watched a good amount of it and quite a few of the speakers were from one minority or another and all of them were nominees of their party. Meaning that in the primaries where the Rep party picks their candidate they selected these people to represent them. I did not hear one word in protest that the Rep party did indeed support both women and minorities.
I do not disagree that attention has to be given to the younger voters but I think worst they may be skewed toward a liberal view it will not be all of them that feel that way. Less liberals would be good but I think the GOP really needs a way to message the African American's in a way that they come to understand that voting for a Rep is probably going to actually going to be in their best interest. Not sure how you point out how the Dem's have conned them up to this point but if that point can be made the GOP will have a chance to succeed in future elections.
Instead of trying to say what the GOP needs to do to "fight back," why don't you "fight back?" Is something stopping you ... ?
Lol.
As long as we are talking about offenses (Solar, you can ignore if want :ttoung: ). I am offended by uninformed people who want to take freedoms away. I am blown away by people who are excited about a "weapons ban" but couldn't tell you why an AR should be banned when a 12 gauge could do much more damage, or the fact that hammers actually kill more people per year than ARs. I am offended by the fact that their irrational FEAR should dictate my freedom. That offends me.
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:28:12 AM
Jesus was never offended by a sinner.
When we search the Gospel acounts we never find a place where Jesus was offended by a sinful person.
But there are repeated accounts of his being very offended by the self-righteousness of so-called holy people who setthemselves apart from the rest of humanity in their own eyes
Wrong answer.
Jesus was offended by the Pharisees, and so He reamed them out several times. Just read Matthew Ch. 23, if you are brave enough. Lol.
Quote from: JustKari on January 05, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
As long as we are talking about offenses (Solar, you can ignore if want :ttoung: ). I am offended by uninformed people who want to take freedoms away. I am blown away by people who are excited about a "weapons ban" but couldn't tell you why an AR should be banned when a 12 gauge could do much more damage, or the fact that hammers actually kill more people per year than ARs. I am offended by the fact that their irrational FEAR should dictate my freedom. That offends me.
There ya go! You're offended too, so all opposition must quit expressing their thoughts and beliefs. If you're offended by someone's WORDS, the "other side" must shut the hell up.
I have "Constitutional blood" coursing thru my veins. Anyone arguing for anything unconstitutional causes me to "take offence." Anyone looking for special rights because of their "blood" causes me to take offe3nce. I must not be offended, and those who cause offence must be SILENCED. :lol:
BTW, "Jesus" (actually Yeshua) inspired King David to write: "Great peace hay they which love your (God's) Law,
AND NOTHING SHALL OFFEND THEM."
So "Jesus" was
NOT "offended." And if you want to silence the opposition by declaring that you're "offended," GET THE HELL OVER YOUR SELF. You're not important enough.
EDIT:
BTW, I'm not arguing with JustKari, but using her words to make a statement about those who want to silence others by claiming that they're "offended"--a common tactic of the left.
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:04:17 AM
taxed you ask (Were you offended?) Yes i was, but not to the point where the other guy think I was.. Yes I do have some "special needs" They are called The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit. I also have ,"special" blood. It's the blood my God gave to the first man. Just like the Son I DON'T need him or anyone to pandered to me because of my belief in my "special blood."
YOU told us you were OFFENDED by my words. YOU quoted the entire statement that you "took offence at" Specifically, what sentence in my statement could you disagree with???? My whole point was that EVERYONE needs to be treated EXACTLY the same. Your response? "I have African blood and I'm OFFENDED." That tells me, that you believe you should be treated DIFFERENTLY in AMERICA because you have "special blood" (African blood).
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:04:17 AMThose who don't have those "special needs" called The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit, don't have this "special blood."
What in the world are you gibbering about now? The topic YOU brought up is you have "special needs" based on the "African blood" running thru your veins.
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:04:17 AMHe said, Nobody gives a damn (and shouldn't) if I'm offended by something.
Surely you will allow me to NOT be offended by you won't you??
Quote from: The Fallen on January 05, 2013, 08:04:17 AMI don't know why he think he can speak for all,...
WHERE did I say I speak for
ANYONE but myself???? You have a strange way of "debating"--throw up several accusations and hope something will stick (I'm VERY offended now! :cry: <= Sarcasm (I'm not really offended).
Quote from: JustKari on January 05, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
As long as we are talking about offenses (Solar, you can ignore if want :ttoung: ). I am offended by uninformed people who want to take freedoms away. I am blown away by people who are excited about a "weapons ban" but couldn't tell you why an AR should be banned when a 12 gauge could do much more damage, or the fact that hammers actually kill more people per year than ARs. I am offended by the fact that their irrational FEAR should dictate my freedom. That offends me.
A 12 gauge pump action is my choice for defending the homestead (precision marksmanship was never one of my strong points!)
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 07:57:07 PM
A 12 gauge pump action is my choice for defending the homestead (precision marksmanship was never one of my strong points!)
I used to be expert, but with age? I dropped the pistol for the pump, shoots from the hip in the direction I'm facing, one of 6 rounds is bound to hit something.
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2013, 08:51:19 PM
I used to be expert, but with age? I dropped the pistol for the pump, shoots from the hip in the direction I'm facing, one of 6 rounds is bound to hit something.
I always preferred a shotgun over a pistol - especially when I lived in a double wide mobile home. With a pistol even if you hit your target, the bullet was likely to go through the target, the wall behind him, through the livingroom and into the home next door!
Plus, if you hit someone with a 12 gauge at close range, he is not getting up anytime soon!
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 05, 2013, 09:20:37 PM
I always preferred a shotgun over a pistol - especially when I lived in a double wide mobile home. With a pistol even if you hit your target, the bullet was likely to go through the target, the wall behind him, through the livingroom and into the home next door!
Plus, if you hit someone with a 12 gauge at close range, he is not getting up anytime soon!
I agree. For home defense, a shotgun is best.
I'm kinda screwed; with a young daughter, I don't keep any loaded weapons around. My defense consists of the Raid wasp and hornet spray that shoots a 30' stream, a lighter, and a baseball bat.
Quote from: kramarat on January 05, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
I agree. For home defense, a shotgun is best.
I'm kinda screwed; with a young daughter, I don't keep any loaded weapons around. My defense consists of the Raid wasp and hornet spray that shoots a 30' stream, a lighter, and a baseball bat.
Pick up a can of bear mace, shoots 30' as well and lasts a good full minute, assuring you hit the eyes.
This crap seems to be a bit stronger than standard pepper spray.
Got it at Big 5 years ago, and it isn't cheap.
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 07:02:23 AM
Pick up a can of bear mace, shoots 30' as well and lasts a good full minute, assuring you hit the eyes.
This crap seems to be a bit stronger than standard pepper spray.
Got it at Big 5 years ago, and it isn't cheap.
I'm not too worried about intruders.
I live at the back of a dirt road, have a large American flag flying in the front yard, my fixer upper house looks like crap, and there are various projects all over the place. People usually pull in here by accident, and they exit very quickly. :biggrin:
Quote from: Yawn on January 05, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
There ya go! You're offended too, so all opposition must quit expressing their thoughts and beliefs. If you're offended by someone's WORDS, the "other side" must shut the hell up.
I have "Constitutional blood" coursing thru my veins. Anyone arguing for anything unconstitutional causes me to "take offence." Anyone looking for special rights because of their "blood" causes me to take offe3nce. I must not be offended, and those who cause offence must be SILENCED. :lol:
BTW, "Jesus" (actually Yeshua) inspired King David to write: "Great peace hay they which love your (God's) Law, AND NOTHING SHALL OFFEND THEM."
So "Jesus" was NOT "offended." And if you want to silence the opposition by declaring that you're "offended," GET THE HELL OVER YOUR SELF. You're not important enough.
EDIT:
BTW, I'm not arguing with JustKari, but using her words to make a statement about those who want to silence others by claiming that they're "offended"--a common tactic of the left.
Thank you for the elaboration, because you are right, that is the difference between me and the left, I can be offended and still maintain their right to spout their stupidity, while the offense they feel would take away mine (if they can).
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 07:09:34 AM
I'm not too worried about intruders.
I live at the back of a dirt road, have a large American flag flying in the front yard, my fixer upper house looks like crap, and there are various projects all over the place. People usually pull in here by accident, and they exit very quickly. :biggrin:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ever watch Squid Billies?
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 07:44:09 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ever watch Squid Billies?
I caught a little piece of it one time. Yeah...........it's kinda like that. Either that, or the house from the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. :biggrin:
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 08:46:02 AM
I caught a little piece of it one time. Yeah...........it's kinda like that. Either that, or the house from the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. :biggrin:
I love Squid Billies, my place was like that till Toy moved in and started cleaning up, all the while claiming she enjoys cleaning, but instead doing what all women do, played my guilt that I wasn't cleaning up my own messes. :laugh:
Like you, it was a self defense mechanism, people looked at the mess and assumed the place abandoned and moved ion to the next place. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 08:55:03 AM
I love Squid Billies, my place was like that till Toy moved in and started cleaning up, all the while claiming she enjoys cleaning, but instead doing what all women do, played my guilt that I wasn't cleaning up my own messes. :laugh:
Like you, it was a self defense mechanism, people looked at the mess and assumed the place abandoned and moved ion to the next place. :lol:
Self defense?
No.
I'm just scatter brained. I probably have ADHD, but I'm not gonna go to some lib shrink so they can drug me into compliance. :smile:
Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
Self defense?
No.
I'm just scatter brained. I probably have ADHD, but I'm not gonna go to some lib shrink so they can drug me into compliance. :smile:
I know I was ADHD at the time, till I had a severe concussion and light brain damage, which I admit to, but not as severe as the birth defect of a lib.
ADHD is a gift, not a defect, I could multitask beyond belief, my problem was packratting. :blushing:
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
I know I was ADHD at the time, till I had a severe concussion and light brain damage, which I admit to, but not as severe as the birth defect of a lib.
ADHD is a gift, not a defect, I could multitask beyond belief, my problem was packratting. :blushing:
Everything makes complete sense...............to me; I just don't waste my time trying to impress people.
I have an air compressor on my front porch, with 60' of line. People, (including my wife), think there's something wrong with me because I don't put it away.
Huh?
It is put away. Since I seem to need compressed air at least a couple of times a week, why not keep it handy? Life is short. :wink:
This lone liberal gal is cute. But I have no appetite for chasing and hounding anyone on the internet. It's the stuff that the liberals do on the internet, invading web sites like locusts and trying to shut/shout everybody down by acting like nasty little children.
It is funny in general though, how all the bigmouths who know it all, always end up being incredibly sorry specimens. They typically, accidentally admit to their sorry states in life while lecturing everyone.
Over at the other PF site, they've got a college flunkout who was stealing welfare to make it easier to get back in. He accidentally admitted this in his slavish support for entitlements. There's a guy with a faceful of jailhouse tats (his own avatar), who lectures everyone who hasn't failed so spectacularly. There's a bunch of snarky, confused teens who bellow about everything, then cry and report when anybody reminds them that they don't know anything. There's a poor old gay gal getting long in the tooth, who's never strayed far from mum's house, who just knows everything about everything !
On other sites I've had the displeasure to be on, they're rife with HS dropouts, guys who get fired and divorced every 6 months, and guys who spend time in the clink now and then.....all trumpeting the greatness of Obama and themselves.
Sadly, these are the 47& on the dole, and the 51% who elect people like Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Weiner, Barry, this Obama-forever idiot, etc.
They're on a good roll right now. We either fight back, or see ourselves slipping into a Che-Castro-Chavez reality.
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
I think there is a huge difference in pandering and educating.
Point was, that nearly a third of the voting public will be young millenials, we need to target them yesterday.
Boos right, the GOP needs a new PR firm.
I agree, it isn't pandering it is educating. People of this age group are typically more concerned with getting their start in life and they are still controlled by what or who is in. This age group has not experienced life or how government will have negative effects on their life. They are just learning that their parents will not be paying their way any longer. They are just too easily manipulated because of their inexperience.
I'm sure many of them are not too happy about a smaller paycheck, that is where we can open the dialog and show how their vote has consequences. They may have too much ideology to deal with gun control, not sure but they do need to understand why our forefathers included the 2nd amendment but they may not understand government tyranny.
All I know is I love this country, I am very fortunate to having been born and living in this country and I am very sad to see how the liberals are slowing taking our rights away and through the ignorance of the young and the use of emotion they just may succeed.