It's getting interesting.
https://conservativehardliner.com/something-odd-happening-regarding-mike-pence
QuoteThere's something odd happening right now, and I can't quite put my finger on it, so I figure I'd put out my take and see where it goes.
Quote from: taxed on January 02, 2021, 03:39:05 AM
It's getting interesting.
https://conservativehardliner.com/something-odd-happening-regarding-mike-pence
Good reading. Trump could have run with anyone as a running mate in 2020. HE picked Pence. I'm in the camp Pence is a patriot too.
Quote from: Possum on January 02, 2021, 04:46:14 AM
Good reading. Trump could have run with anyone as a running mate in 2020. HE picked Pence. I'm in the camp Pence is a patriot too.
Actually, the GOP in essence forced pence on Trump, just like they forced Bush on Reagan, and we know how well that worked out.
I think Trump had few to pick from, and Pence seemed the safest choice at the time.
Quote from: Solar on January 02, 2021, 04:52:01 AM
Actually, the GOP in essence forced pence on Trump, just like they forced Bush on Reagan, and we know how well that worked out.
I think Trump had few to pick from, and Pence seemed the safest choice at the time.
Well, live and learn. I do not see Pence as deep state, but I could be wrong about that too. Here is to hoping Pence loves America as much as Trump.
Quote from: Possum on January 02, 2021, 04:58:52 AM
Well, live and learn. I do not see Pence as deep state, but I could be wrong about that too. Here is to hoping Pence loves America as much as Trump.
It could be me. I've never trusted Pence since he was installed.
Neither does Lin Wood.
(1) For two months we have focused on accusing the Democrats of attempting to steal the 20/20 election for Biden. We focused on the Presidential election.
We focused on the obvious.
Over time, we have learned that the Democrats were joined by CCP & other foreign countries.
Tip
Lin Wood
@LLinWood
·
19h
(2) We have also learned that the Globalists like George Soros & the Elitists like Bill Gates were involved. CIA too (no surprise - military industrial complex).
It all seemed so clear we overlooked one of the main participants in the theft of the election:
THE REPUBLICANS.
Tip
Lin Wood
@LLinWood
·
19h
(3) These groups aspire to the goals of Communism. A ruling elite & an oppressed class of people who exist to serve those in power.
When arrests for treason begin, put Chief Justice John Roberts, VP Mike Pence
@VP
@Mike_Pence
, & Mitch McConnell
@senatemajldr
at top of list.
Quote from: Solar on January 02, 2021, 05:02:35 AM
It could be me. I've never trusted Pence since he was installed.
Neither does Lin Wood.
(1) For two months we have focused on accusing the Democrats of attempting to steal the 20/20 election for Biden. We focused on the Presidential election.
We focused on the obvious.
Over time, we have learned that the Democrats were joined by CCP & other foreign countries.
Tip
Lin Wood
@LLinWood
·
19h
(2) We have also learned that the Globalists like George Soros & the Elitists like Bill Gates were involved. CIA too (no surprise - military industrial complex).
It all seemed so clear we overlooked one of the main participants in the theft of the election:
THE REPUBLICANS.
Tip
Lin Wood
@LLinWood
·
19h
(3) These groups aspire to the goals of Communism. A ruling elite & an oppressed class of people who exist to serve those in power.
When arrests for treason begin, put Chief Justice John Roberts, VP Mike Pence
@VP
@Mike_Pence
, & Mitch McConnell
@senatemajldr
at top of list.
Agree with roberts, never liked him. Would not surprise me about mcconnell, I think he goes where the wind blows him, go ahead and throw graham in there too. If Pence is not a patriot, I hope Trump pulls the plug quick.
Quote from: Possum on January 02, 2021, 05:16:46 AM
Agree with roberts, never liked him. Would not surprise me about mcconnell, I think he goes where the wind blows him, go ahead and throw graham in there too. If Pence is not a patriot, I hope Trump pulls the plug quick.
Agree. What set me off was when Pence rejected Gohmerts lawsuit and had it dismissed. This was designed to allow Pence to legally select only GOP Electors. Now why we he do that?
Quote from: Solar on January 02, 2021, 04:52:01 AM
Actually, the GOP in essence forced pence on Trump, just like they forced Bush on Reagan, and we know how well that worked out.
I think Trump had few to pick from, and Pence seemed the safest choice at the time.
IIRC, in 1980, Reagan wanted former president Gerald Ford to be his running mate, but Ford had a list of conditions that would've given him as VP a far larger role than traditional (or constitutional). When the Reagan campaign would not agree to that, Ford rejected the selection and Reagan chose Bush.
Ford still joined Reagan and Bush triumphantly raising their joined hands together on the reviewing stand.
I tend to know alot about Ford as my grandmother (moms mother) just adored him. She died in 1969 and momma always said she wished her mother had lived to see Ford as president since she liked him so much.
Once again I think this is all theater. My guess is that overwhelming evidence of fraud will be presented in both the house and Senate. The house has over 140 Pubs who say they will not certify the EC due to fraud, perhaps more when evidence is made public, not enough to turn the House, true but I think its looking like the Senate might a win. There might even be a few Dem votes in both.
Something is up but don't sale Pence...or Trump short yet
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 05:29:46 AM
IIRC, in 1980, Reagan wanted former president Gerald Ford to be his running mate, but Ford had a list of conditions that would've given him as VP a far larger role than traditional (or constitutional). When the Reagan campaign would not agree to that, Ford rejected the selection and Reagan chose Bush.
Ford still joined Reagan and Bush triumphantly raising their joined hands together on the reviewing stand.
I tend to know alot about Ford as my grandmother (moms mother) just adored him. She died in 1969 and momma always said she wished her mother had lived to see Ford as president since she liked him so much.
Reagan Did Not Choose Bush, he was forced on Reagan!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 02, 2021, 05:37:19 AM
Once again I think this is all theater. My guess is that overwhelming evidence of fraud will be presented in both the house and Senate. The house has over 140 Pubs who say they will not certify the EC due to fraud, perhaps more when evidence is made public, not enough to turn the House, true but I think its looking like the Senate might a win. There might even be a few Dem votes in both.
Something is up but don't sale Pence...or Trump short yet
This is sort of where I'm at too.... I think this is a big misdirection....
Remember, at Bush Sr.s funeral, when all those big name deepstaters got mysterious letters in their folders and looked shocked when they saw them? Well pence got one too.....
Just sayin'. Might be nothing. Im still on the pence patriot page until next wednesday when we will know for sure which side he is on.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 05:29:46 AM
IIRC, in 1980, Reagan wanted former president Gerald Ford to be his running mate, but Ford had a list of conditions that would've given him as VP a far larger role than traditional (or constitutional). When the Reagan campaign would not agree to that, Ford rejected the selection and Reagan chose Bush.
Ford still joined Reagan and Bush triumphantly raising their joined hands together on the reviewing stand.
I tend to know alot about Ford as my grandmother (moms mother) just adored him. She died in 1969 and momma always said she wished her mother had lived to see Ford as president since she liked him so much.
Reagan did not chose Shrub Sr. Reagan made a deal with the devil GOPers....
I will freely admit that I've always liked the Bush family. For George H.W. Bush to this day. I mean come on George H.W. Bush didn't have to go join the Navy and become a combat pilot in World War Two. He lied about his age to do so. To me that shows a noble spirit of self sacrifice and commitment to public service.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
I will freely admit that I've always liked the Bush family. For George H.W. Bush to this day. I mean come on George H.W. Bush didn't have to go join the Navy and become a combat pilot in World War Two. He lied about his age to do so. To me that shows a noble spirit of self sacrifice and commitment to public service.
The guy is a traitor in the same vain as McStain! He did all he could to undo everything Reagan accomplished, informed his staff, under no circumstance, will I have a Reagan appointee in my Cabinet.
That alone should tell you something!
Quote from: Solar on January 02, 2021, 12:15:06 PM
The guy is a traitor in the same vain as McStain! He did all he could to undo everything Reagan accomplished, i
While he shouldn't have done that, how does it make it "treason"? Disagreements on policy IS NOT treason.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 12:20:58 PM
While he shouldn't have done that, how does it make it "treason"? Disagreements on policy IS NOT treason.
Do a search for "McCain meets with terrorists". You do know it was McStain that sold out Trump with the phony dossier, Right?
Dayton, there is soooo much you don't know, maybe it would be better if you asked questions instead of exposing yourself the way you do.
Quote from: Solar on January 02, 2021, 12:24:12 PM
Do a search for "McCain meets with terrorists". You do know it was McStain that sold out Trump with the phony dossier, Right?
Dayton, there is soooo much you don't know, maybe it would be better if you asked questions instead of exposing yourself the way you do.
Simply meeting with terrorists does not by itself equal "treason".
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 12:41:10 PM
Simply meeting with terrorists does not by itself equal "treason".
Jeeez, read what he did!
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 12:20:58 PM
While he shouldn't have done that, how does it make it "treason"? Disagreements on policy IS NOT treason.
It is when the policy disagreements are regarding the foundational principles of this countries founding. Cant push communism and not be treasonous.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 12:41:10 PM
Simply meeting with terrorists does not by itself equal "treason".
Said in a whiney voice by dayton3-------- Guys....guys...simply meeting with terrorists does not by itself equal "treason".... I mean it!
Pence elaborates.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/pence-welcomes-efforts-by-lawmakers-to-object-to-electoral-college-votes-on-jan-6-report_3641319.html
Quote from: yrunvs on January 02, 2021, 05:51:59 PM
Pence elaborates.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/pence-welcomes-efforts-by-lawmakers-to-object-to-electoral-college-votes-on-jan-6-report_3641319.html
Pence and Cruz are just going through the motions. Indicating they are willing to fight for President Trump when they are really only trying to placate Trump supporters in order to preserve their own political viability for the future.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 06:33:10 PM
Pence and Cruz are just going through the motions. Indicating they are willing to fight for President Trump when they are really only trying to placate Trump supporters in order to preserve their own political viability for the future.
According to your 'logic' all of trumps people are really RINOs in disguise and that trump doesnt care about his base but himself. Thats called TDS.
Quote from: T Hunt on January 02, 2021, 09:31:31 PM
According to your 'logic' all of trumps people are really RINOs in disguise and that trump doesnt care about his base but himself. Thats called TDS.
President Donald Trump did some good things as president. I can name them if you like.
But in my opinion he does not care about anyone but himself. He never has.
Don't know why you and others here keep forgetting that I voted for Trump and supported him for his entire time. I can provide links to other political websites where I've posted all that time if you don't believe me (same username by the way).
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:07:06 PM
President Donald Trump did some good things as president. I can name them if you like.
But in my opinion he does not care about anyone but himself. He never has.
Don't know why you and others here keep forgetting that I voted for Trump and supported him for his entire time. I can provide links to other political websites where I've posted all that time if you don't believe me (same username by the way).
Give us an example of him only caring about himself.
Quote from: taxed on January 02, 2021, 10:20:42 PM
Give us an example of him only caring about himself.
His current obsession with staying in office despite the damage this could be doing to the Republican hopes of retaining control of the Senate.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:32:06 PM
His current obsession with staying in office despite the damage this could be doing to the Republican hopes of retaining control of the Senate.
That's a lie.
Last chance, give an example of him only caring about himself. You have four years to pull from.
Quote from: taxed on January 02, 2021, 10:45:01 PM
That's a lie.
Last chance, give an example of him only caring about himself. You have four years to pull from.
You are dead set on banning me aren't you?
What's wrong @Solar isn't man enough to do his own dirty work.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:46:57 PM
You are dead set on banning me aren't you?
What's wrong @Solar isn't man enough to do his own dirty work.
Don't pout. Just post an example of him only caring about himself.
Quote from: taxed on January 02, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
Don't pout. Just post an example of him only caring about himself.
Prove I lied in the post above. If you really are a competent administrator you can't simply dismiss a claim as a "lie".
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:52:15 PM
Prove I lied in the post above. If you really are a competent administrator you can't simply dismiss a claim as a "lie".
Sure I can. Not allowing a president to be seated by a fraudulent election is not someone only caring about himself. The thing is you guys aren't smart enough to pull off such an operation.
Therefore, post an example of Trump only caring about himself.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:46:57 PM
You are dead set on banning me aren't you?
What's wrong @Solar isn't man enough to do his own dirty work.
You forget that taxed is also a Admin. Taxed is the one calling you out.
Quote from: taxed on January 02, 2021, 10:55:37 PM
Sure I can. Not allowing a president to be seated by a fraudulent election is not someone only caring about himself. The thing is you guys aren't smart enough to pull off such an operation.
Therefore, post an example of Trump only caring about himself.
What is this "you guys"? I voted for Donald Trump and I've defended him for the last four years. I can post links to four other political discussion boards to support this.
And unless President Trump can PROVE fraud in this election then it isn't a fraudulent election. And each Trump lawsuit has been rejected by the courts.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
What is this "you guys"? I voted for Donald Trump and I've defended him for the last four years. I can post links to four other political discussion boards to support this.
You're a liar.
Quote
And unless President Trump can PROVE fraud in this election then it isn't a fraudulent election. And each Trump lawsuit has been rejected by the courts.
The courts are compromised. This exposure of these judges is another benefit to your coup attempt.
Quote from: taxed on January 02, 2021, 11:07:57 PM
No.
Afraid obviously You demand I prove something but you will not. Thus you are an abuser of your power.
Disgusting.
How will you react when Joe Biden becomes president in 17 days? I've come to accept it. I really have no idea how some of you here are going to react though.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 11:10:45 PM
Afraid obviously You demand I prove something but you will not. Thus you are an abuser of your power.
Disgusting.
How will you react when Joe Biden becomes president in 17 days? I've come to accept it. I really have no idea how some of you here are going to react though.
He won't become President. Only stupid people think he will.
Quote from: T Hunt on January 02, 2021, 09:31:31 PM
According to your 'logic' all of trumps people are really RINOs in disguise and that trump doesnt care about his base but himself. Thats called TDS.
He's a flaming liberal who claims to have voted for Trump. I do not think he knew what a conservative was until he joined this forum.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:46:57 PM
You are dead set on banning me aren't you?
What's wrong @Solar isn't man enough to do his own dirty work.
You're an idiot! I don't want you banned just because of your TDS, I want you to see the light, that we won and why the Marxists will be going to prison.
I want you to grasp the severity of what this nation faced and Trump being a patriot, put this Nation before himself.
I'm a patriot as are many on this forum, we remember JFK saying "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
Yes, as youth in America, that rang true and deep within what we believe, and that's Trump, he knows the preservation of this Nation is bigger than any one man.
Trump is not selfish, he is doing Gods work! He gave up a life of fortune in order to save us from the evils of Marxism. How is it you can't see this? The guy even donates his entire paycheck to charity.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
What is this "you guys"? I voted for Donald Trump and I've defended him for the last four years. I can post links to four other political discussion boards to support this.
And unless President Trump can PROVE fraud in this election then it isn't a fraudulent election. And each Trump lawsuit has been rejected by the courts.
Sorry but thats not how it works. Biden has to PROVE he won, and with all the hard evidence of millions of fake votes there is nothing you can do to remove trump. He won in a landslide you just need to deal with that.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 11:10:45 PM
Afraid obviously You demand I prove something but you will not. Thus you are an abuser of your power.
Disgusting.
How will you react when Joe Biden becomes president in 17 days? I've come to accept it. I really have no idea how some of you here are going to react though.
So you accept america as communist?
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 11:07:37 PM
Prove it.
ok
QuoteAnd unless President Trump can PROVE fraud in this election then it isn't a fraudulent election. And each Trump lawsuit has been rejected by the courts.
There you go. You lied.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:46:57 PM
You are dead set on banning me aren't you?
What's wrong @Solar isn't man enough to do his own dirty work.
You seem dead set on parroting the fake news lies. Why is that?
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:32:06 PM
His current obsession with staying in office despite the damage this could be doing to the Republican hopes of retaining control of the Senate.
How is that selfish when he has proven the election was stolen? Wldnt it be selfish to just allow the rigged elections?
You cant be a conservative and not think trump won in a landslide after all the evidence proving it.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:07:06 PM
President Donald Trump did some good things as president. I can name them if you like.
But in my opinion he does not care about anyone but himself. He never has.
Don't know why you and others here keep forgetting that I voted for Trump and supported him for his entire time. I can provide links to other political websites where I've posted all that time if you don't believe me (same username by the way).
So you support him but then say he doesnt care about anyone but himself? Those are two opposing ideas, you cannot hold both. Thus you are a hypocrite.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
What is this "you guys"? I voted for Donald Trump and I've defended him for the last four years. I can post links to four other political discussion boards to support this.
And unless President Trump can PROVE fraud in this election then it isn't a fraudulent election. And each Trump lawsuit has been rejected by the courts.
You just said he only looks out for himself. That doesnt sound like you defending him.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 10:07:06 PM
President Donald Trump did some good things as president. I can name them if you like.
But in my opinion he does not care about anyone but himself. He never has.
Don't know why you and others here keep forgetting that I voted for Trump and supported him for his entire time. I can provide links to other political websites where I've posted all that time if you don't believe me (same username by the way).
So to quote YOUR words, President Trump "did some good things but in my opinion he does not care about anyone but himself." So I guess "doing some good things" for everyone else did something for him? So why did he do "some good things"? How did it help him? Since you seem to hold the opinion that he only cared about himself. If you actually voted for President Trump but, believe that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, WHY would you vote for him? Maybe YOU voted for him because YOU only care about yourself! Could it be that you only voted for President Trump (IF you voted for President Trump), because you were concerned about yourself? Come to think about it, even your posting here is all about yourself and your self interests. Maybe YOU don't care about anyone else except yourself? See how that works?
Quote from: RV on January 03, 2021, 02:52:47 PM
So to quote YOUR words, President Trump "did some good things but in my opinion he does not care about anyone but himself." So I guess "doing some good things" for everyone else did something for him? So why did he do "some good things"? How did it help him? Since you seem to hold the opinion that he only cared about himself. If you actually voted for President Trump but, believe that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, WHY would you vote for him? Maybe YOU voted for him because YOU only care about yourself! Could it be that you only voted for President Trump (IF you voted for President Trump), because you were concerned about yourself? Come to think about it, even your posting here is all about yourself and your self interests. Maybe YOU don't care about anyone else except yourself? See how that works?
Concise observation.
Quote from: T Hunt on January 03, 2021, 02:39:07 PM
You just said he only looks out for himself. That doesnt sound like you defending him.
I've defended him based on the policies he has promoted. I loathe him personally.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
I will freely admit that I've always liked the Bush family. For George H.W. Bush to this day. I mean come on George H.W. Bush didn't have to go join the Navy and become a combat pilot in World War Two. He lied about his age to do so. To me that shows a noble spirit of self sacrifice and commitment to public service.
Yes he did have to join the military. That was how you advanced your polcat career. I will say he was slightly better than his dick wad son. But no, the Bushes have proven themselves for the pieces of shit they are. RINO all the way. Had Texas been a blue state, those bastards would have run as democraps.
Quote from: Pop Daddy on January 03, 2021, 05:00:53 PM
Yes he did have to join the military. That was how you advanced your polcat career. I will say he was slightly better than his dick wad son. But no, the Bushes have proven themselves for the pieces of shit they are. RINO all the way. Had Texas been a blue state, those bastards would have run as democraps.
I really doubt George H.W. Bush was thinking about a political career while he was a TEENAGER.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 03, 2021, 05:08:54 PM
I really doubt George H.W. Bush was thinking about a political career while he was a TEENAGER.
Then you don't understand the Bush Dynasty.
Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2021, 05:17:35 PM
Then you don't understand the Bush Dynasty.
And you do? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 03, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
I've defended him based on the policies he has promoted. I loathe him personally.
So in other words, you claim to have voted for someone you "loathe"? Hmmmm, you didn't care about America, Americans nor the country? You voted for Donald Trump though you claim to "loathe" him? That does NOT sound like you were voting your conscience, your "morals", your "values" nor your "standards". In short, you are stating that you vote based upon "policies" which you apparently do not agree with?
You're one of those people who state that they hate the murder of infants yourself but, if others want to slaughter infants you have no problem with it...
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 02, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
What is this "you guys"? I voted for Donald Trump and I've defended him for the last four years. I can post links to four other political discussion boards to support this.
And unless President Trump can PROVE fraud in this election then it isn't a fraudulent election. And each Trump lawsuit has been rejected by the courts.
Honest to God, stop. What part of the proof already shown do you not believe? Mail in ballots with no folds or creases is not enough? More votes than registered voters? Dead voters? Pretty sure more votes than registered voters is PROOF.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 03, 2021, 05:21:02 PM
And you do? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yes! You could find out with a simple search.
Quote from: RV on January 03, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
In short, you are stating that you vote based upon "policies" which you apparently do not agree with?
I would say I agree with most of the policies President Trump has pursued. For examples:
1) His appointment of conservative judges to the federal and Supreme Court.
2) His increases in military spending
3) His efforts to stop illegal immigration.
4) His efforts to defend Christians.
5) His trade war with China. It was high time to make an effort to hold China accountable for unfair trade practices.
6) His efforts to promote peace between various Middle Eastern nations and Israel. Really think Kushner did a good job on this front.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 03, 2021, 06:38:43 PM
I would say I agree with most of the policies President Trump has pursued. For examples:
1) His appointment of conservative judges to the federal and Supreme Court.
2) His increases in military spending
3) His efforts to stop illegal immigration.
4) His efforts to defend Christians.
5) His trade war with China. It was high time to make an effort to hold China accountable for unfair trade practices.
6) His efforts to promote peace between various Middle Eastern nations and Israel. Really think Kushner did a good job on this front.
Okay, so what "policies" do you not agree with and how do you know that he has "policies" that you don't agree with?
Quote from: RV on January 03, 2021, 07:35:45 PM
Okay, so what "policies" do you not agree with and how do you know that he has "policies" that you don't agree with?
His Tweets, Orange Man Bad. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: RV on January 03, 2021, 07:35:45 PM
Okay, so what "policies" do you not agree with and how do you know that he has "policies" that you don't agree with?
1) I don't like is friendly interactions with the dictators of North Korea and Russia.
2) I wish he had done more, (a lot more) to fight the increasing federal budget deficits.
3) I'm against removing or threatening to remove U.S. troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:11:24 AM
1) I don't like is friendly interactions with the dictators of North Korea and Russia.
2) I wish he had done more, (a lot more) to fight the increasing federal budget deficits.
3) I'm against removing or threatening to remove U.S. troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan.
It's obvious you do not understand politics in the least. I'd explain, but if you haven't gotten it by now, you probably never will.
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2021, 06:25:45 AM
It's obvious you do not understand politics in the least. I'd explain, but if you haven't gotten it by now, you probably never will.
If you're going to point out that federal spending bills must start out in the House then I'm fully aware of that. Presidents still have a great deal of influence over federal spending though.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:40:06 AM
If you're going to point out that federal spending bills must start out in the House then I'm fully aware of that. Presidents still have a great deal of influence over federal spending though.
No, it's not that at all. Has NK Kim threatened the US lately? Trump has boxed Putin in, but you watch FUX, so you'd never hear a peep on the reality of the situation.
And Germany has been screwing us for decades, they shirked their duty to pay for NATO, they made a deal with Russia over LNG, after decades of our protecting their asses from the Russians.
If they want our troops, let them pay for them and NATO support as well. I could go on for days, but this is basic shit you should already be aware of, but for whatever reason, you insist on staying ignorant.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:40:06 AM
If you're going to point out that federal spending bills must start out in the House then I'm fully aware of that. Presidents still have a great deal of influence over federal spending though.
Not when most of congress has TDS and refused to work with trump. Thats on them, not trump.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:11:24 AM
1) I don't like is friendly interactions with the dictators of North Korea and Russia.
2) I wish he had done more, (a lot more) to fight the increasing federal budget deficits.
3) I'm against removing or threatening to remove U.S. troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan.
There is no reason to have thousands of troops in Germany. Germany is perfectly capable of building a military to protect its borders. Also, deployment of troops has advanced so far since WW II that on site American troops are no longer necessary.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 04, 2021, 07:39:30 AM
There is no reason to have thousands of troops in Germany. Germany is perfectly capable of building a military to protect its borders. Also, deployment of troops has advanced so far since WW II that on site American troops are no longer necessary.
1) Our troops in Germany are not there to protect Germany.
2) Overseas bases are now even more important as the U.S. has LESS airlift and sea lift capability that it did a few decades ago.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:11:24 AM
1) I don't like is friendly interactions with the dictators of North Korea and Russia.
2) I wish he had done more, (a lot more) to fight the increasing federal budget deficits.
3) I'm against removing or threatening to remove U.S. troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan.
First off, I noticed that you listed several things that you liked and agreed with President Trump on. You only listed three things that you claim to not agree with. I also did not see where you got your information from, the liberal lying media?
Secondly what would you like the President to do, NOT have "friendly interactions" with dictators? Maybe get into a war with them? Would you be happier and more agreeable then?
Thirdly, the President is trying to save the country money, (you claim to care about the deficit yet, criticize the President for trying to save money?).
Fourth and final comment. President Trump will "do more" to fight the growing and huge deficit but, again he has had widespread opposition to everything he has done or said. YOU criticize him for trying to trim the military while politicians and the media spin EVERYTHING he does or says into something "bad" or negative. As I've said many times, President Trump cannot win no matter what he does or says.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 07:48:21 AM
1) Our troops in Germany are not there to protect Germany.
Then why are they stationed there? I was stationed on the NK DMZ, was I there to protect NK or SK?
Quote2) Overseas bases are now even more important as the U.S. has LESS airlift and sea lift capability that it did a few decades ago.
Completely irrelevant! Tech is changing faster than we can build ships, drones are the future, sadly.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 07:48:21 AM
1) Our troops in Germany are not there to protect Germany.
2) Overseas bases are now even more important as the U.S. has LESS airlift and sea lift capability that it did a few decades ago.
Are you not aware our big presence in Germany was established to provide a defense from Russia? So why in your view are they still there in such large numbers?
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:11:24 AM
1) I don't like is friendly interactions with the dictators of North Korea and Russia.
2) I wish he had done more, (a lot more) to fight the increasing federal budget deficits.
3) I'm against removing or threatening to remove U.S. troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan.
Russia is a perfect example that you watch CCP Media, it was all a lie.
Speaking on January 1st on the network's New Day program, Zakaria described the Trump administration's conduct with Russia as "tough," noting the various actions taken by the president in the country:
"You know, the dirty little secret about the Trump administration was that while Donald Trump had clearly had a kind of soft spot for Putin, the Trump Administration was pretty tough on the Russians. They armed Ukraine, they armed the Poles. They extended NATO operations and exercises in ways that even the Obama Administration had not done. They maintained the sanctions."
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/cnn-trump-tough-on-russia/
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:11:24 AM
1) I don't like is friendly interactions with the dictators of North Korea and Russia.
2) I wish he had done more, (a lot more) to fight the increasing federal budget deficits.
3) I'm against removing or threatening to remove U.S. troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan.
1. It's called knowing your enemy. It was a brilliant move by a president who thinks outside the box. I would have done the exact same thing.
2. The House and Senate controls the budget. What decreases in spending bills were sent to the president? Hell, Congress can't even deliver a budget bill on time. The economy had to be ignited before decreasing government size could be accomplished. I bet we would have seem cuts in Trump's second term if not for the China virus.
3. As a veteran, I applaud the president for bringing our troops home. He values the lives of our soldiers over trying to patrol the world. Promise kept.
President Trump accomplished more than I expected while under constant harassment by democrats using the DOJ, FBI and CIA. Just securing the southern border won him reelection in my book.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:11:24 AM
1) I don't like is friendly interactions with the dictators of North Korea and Russia.
2) I wish he had done more, (a lot more) to fight the increasing federal budget deficits.
3) I'm against removing or threatening to remove U.S. troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan.
1. So you would perfer remaining on a war footing with the insane lunatics running N Korea firing missiles all over the fkg place rather than initiating friendly interactions....? I see. :huh: Trump should have gotten the nobel peace prize for his work in NORK
2. Eliminating/reducing foreign aide doesnt count? Whose social security check should we pull to give more $$ to Sudan or outer Slobovia?
3. So you want US Troops to continue to engage in fruitless and COSTLY endeavors in third world shitholes Like Ghanny
and acting like the world police But you want a reduced federal budget....make up your mind
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2021, 08:01:11 AM
Then why are they stationed there? I was stationed on the NK DMZ, was I there to protect NK or SK?
Completely irrelevant! Tech is changing faster than we can build ships, drones are the future, sadly.
Drones are useful but can't remotely replace manned platforms in large scale combat. An expert on drone technology in Foreign Policy magazine agreed with me on this.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 04, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
1. So you would perfer remaining on a war footing with the insane lunatics running N Korea firing missiles all over the fkg place rather than initiating friendly interactions....? I see. :huh: Trump should have gotten the nobel peace prize for his work in NORK
2. Eliminating/reducing foreign aide doesnt count? Whose social security check should we pull to give more $$ to Sudan or outer Slobovia?
3. So you want US Troops to continue to engage in fruitless and COSTLY endeavors in third world shitholes Like Ghanny
and acting like the world police But you want a reduced federal budget....make up your mind
I want reduced DOMESTIC spending. I want increased defense spending. And the U.S. and the world both benefit from the greater U.S. presence overseas.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 11:14:16 AM
Drones are useful but can't remotely replace manned platforms in large scale combat. An expert on drone technology in Foreign Policy magazine agreed with me on this.
Your expert is an idiot!
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/12/darpa-gremlin-drone-tests.html
(https://www.nextbigfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/drone_swarm.jpg)
DARPA has launched the Gremlins program. Named for the imaginary, mischievous imps that became the good luck charms of many British pilots during World War II, the program envisions launching groups of UASs from existing large aircraft such as bombers or transport aircraft—as well as from fighters and other small, fixed-wing platforms—while those planes are out of range of adversary defenses. When the gremlins complete their mission, a C-130 transport aircraft would retrieve them in the air and carry them home, where ground crews would prepare them for their next use within 24 hours. (DARPA illustration)
https://sociable.co/technology/darpa-predict-future-ai/
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2021, 11:41:33 AM
Your expert is an idiot!
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/12/darpa-gremlin-drone-tests.html
(https://www.nextbigfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/drone_swarm.jpg)
DARPA has launched the Gremlins program. Named for the imaginary, mischievous imps that became the good luck charms of many British pilots during World War II, the program envisions launching groups of UASs from existing large aircraft such as bombers or transport aircraft—as well as from fighters and other small, fixed-wing platforms—while those planes are out of range of adversary defenses. When the gremlins complete their mission, a C-130 transport aircraft would retrieve them in the air and carry them home, where ground crews would prepare them for their next use within 24 hours. (DARPA illustration)
https://sociable.co/technology/darpa-predict-future-ai/
Just because you are a DAV doesn't make you an expert on the subject.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 11:50:48 AM
Just because you are a DAV doesn't make you an expert on the subject.
I also own one of the top drones on the Mkt, and follow tech like a rabid dog on the prowl.
Wars will not be fought in the conventional sense historically, they'll be fought thousands of miles away in sealed bunkers with people on a joystick sitting at a computer.
We're already there, all the drones we send out are remote controlled with AI backup. The latest fighter jet is a drone with AI. Your friend is an idiot, you can tell him I said so!
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
I also own one of the top drones on the Mkt, and follow tech like a rabid dog on the prowl.
Wars will not be fought in the conventional sense historically, they'll be fought thousands of miles away in sealed bunkers with people on a joystick sitting at a computer.
We're already there, all the drones we send out are remote controlled with AI backup. The latest fighter jet is a drone with AI. Your friend is an idiot, you can tell him I said so!
I don't have any friends. Don't know whom you are referring to.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 02:25:14 PM
I don't have any friends. Don't know whom you are referring to.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ya know, that's just sad...
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2021, 02:30:07 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ya know, that's just sad...
Not really. I've had friends before. Just general situation makes me bereft of them currently. I had as many as three good friends at one of my most recent jobs but they and I moved on to other places.
And to me when someone is no longer part of your daily life they aren't friends anymore.
Once you hit 30 you have no friends only acquaintances.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 02:25:14 PM
I don't have any friends. Don't know whom you are referring to.
From 75% of your post I can understand why. :popcorn:
Quote from: walkstall on January 04, 2021, 04:06:00 PM
From 75% of your post I can understand why. :popcorn:
Care to explain that?
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 04:18:37 PM
Care to explain that?
Your the one with out friends. Could be your way of think about Politics. Hell I am almost 100 years old and have many friends yet. I know Dem's that even like me. :lol:
Quote from: yrunvs on January 04, 2021, 03:41:43 PM
Once you hit 30 you have no friends only acquaintances.
My wife is my best friend.
Quote from: walkstall on January 04, 2021, 04:39:40 PM
Your the one with out friends. Could be your way of think about Politics. Hell I am almost 100 years old and have many friends yet. I know Dem's that even like me. :lol:
Politics almost never comes up with people I know.
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2021, 05:36:00 PM
My wife is my best friend.
I don't count someone as a "friend" if you're having sex with them.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
I don't count someone as a "friend" if you're having sex with them.
There's really nothing we agree on. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 04, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
I don't count someone as a "friend" if you're having sex with them.
You can't have a closer friend, dummy! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2021, 05:19:16 AM
You can't have a closer friend, dummy!
It's different. Sex changes things.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 05, 2021, 05:20:19 AM
It's different. Sex changes things.
Yes, it emboldens and enforces ones friendship. You really need a friend badly!
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2021, 05:22:23 AM
Yes, it emboldens and enforces ones friendship. You really need a friend badly!
Well I do have my wife of nearly 23 years.
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 05, 2021, 05:47:31 AM
Well I do have my wife of nearly 23 years.
Too bad you don't consider her your best friend.
Quote from: Solar on January 05, 2021, 05:58:49 AM
Too bad you don't consider her your best friend.
I feel sorry for his wife! To stay with someone that long and never be considered a friend, a best friend, etc. is very telling.
Quote from: RV on January 05, 2021, 06:33:52 AM
I feel sorry for his wife! To stay with someone that long and never be considered a friend, a best friend, etc. is very telling.
Yeah, thought the same...
Quote from: Dayton3 on January 05, 2021, 05:47:31 AM
Well I do have my wife of nearly 23 years.
Hell I have friends longer then that. But I been married to my best friend for 54 years.
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2021, 11:41:33 AM
Your expert is an idiot!
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/12/darpa-gremlin-drone-tests.html
(https://www.nextbigfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/drone_swarm.jpg)
DARPA has launched the Gremlins program. Named for the imaginary, mischievous imps that became the good luck charms of many British pilots during World War II, the program envisions launching groups of UASs from existing large aircraft such as bombers or transport aircraft—as well as from fighters and other small, fixed-wing platforms—while those planes are out of range of adversary defenses. When the gremlins complete their mission, a C-130 transport aircraft would retrieve them in the air and carry them home, where ground crews would prepare them for their next use within 24 hours. (DARPA illustration)
https://sociable.co/technology/darpa-predict-future-ai/
Wow, thats really cool!
Quote from: T Hunt on January 05, 2021, 08:51:27 AM
Wow, thats really cool!
Yep, the future is here. :thumbup: