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Title: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:03:20 AM
Immediately following the election, President Obama's Environmental Protection Agency plans a spate of new anti-coal regulation that will virtually grind the industry to a standstill. According to the Washington Examiner:
To the libs....
I'm curious, while the rest of us pay out the ass for energy and the left gives subsidies to those that claim poverty, which is how socialists work.
Will this play a part in how you might vote in the Mid Term elections in two years?

President Obama's Environmental Protection Agency has devoted an unprecedented number of bureaucrats to finalizing new anti-coal regulations that are set to be released at the end of November, according to a source inside the EPA.
More than 50 EPA staff are now crashing to finish greenhouse gas emission standards that would essentially ban all construction of new coal-fired power plants. Never before have so many EPA resources been devoted to a single regulation. The independent and non-partisan Manhattan Institute estimates that the EPA's greenhouse gas coal regulation will cost the U.S. economy $700 billion.

    Titled "A Look Ahead to EPA Regulations for 2013: Numerous Obama EPA Rules Placed on Hold Until After the Election Spell Doom For Jobs and Economic Growth", it lists and describes new rules concocted over the past year ranging from additional restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions, tougher water guidelines and tightening of the ozone standard. Taken together, they will further drive up pump prices, impose construction bans on local communities, and cripple oil, natural gas and coal production.
As the Washington Post notes, the report puts a spotlight back on the Obama EPA which has earned a "reputation for Abuse", serving as a stark reminder that "President Obama has presided over a green team administration that works every day to "crucify" oil and gas companies and make sure that "...if you want to build a coal plant you got a big problem."
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2012/08/23/the-real-reason-obamas-epa-targets-oil-coal-and-natural-gas (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2012/08/23/the-real-reason-obamas-epa-targets-oil-coal-and-natural-gas)
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 08:13:34 AM
QuoteWill this play a part in how you might vote in the Mid Term elections in two years?

I will still vote for the most conservative Republican available. There is no other choice.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:16:08 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 08:13:34 AM
I will still vote for the most conservative Republican available. There is no other choice.
Same here, but I'm wondering how the libs will feel once they see their bills increase across the board, from food, gas, electricity to everything else.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
Barack Obama may consider introducing a tax on carbon emissions to help cut the U.S. budget deficit after winning a second term as president, according to HSBC Holdings Plc.

A tax starting at $20 a metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalent and rising at about 6 percent a year could raise $154 billion by 2021, Nick Robins, an analyst at the bank in London, said today in an e-mailed research note, citing Congressional Research Service estimates. "Applied to the Congressional Budget Office's 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022," Robins said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/obama-may-levy-carbon-tax-to-cut-the-u-s-deficit-hsbc-says.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/obama-may-levy-carbon-tax-to-cut-the-u-s-deficit-hsbc-says.html)
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Spatbat on November 07, 2012, 08:35:09 AM
Good news. It is important to slowly wean ourselves off coal/oil towards renewable energy.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 08:38:57 AM
WHY? We have an abundant supply able to last centuries.  Why should your electric bill rise 300% or more for your leftist CO2 mythology?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
Quote from: Spatbat on November 07, 2012, 08:35:09 AM
Good news. It is important to slowly wean ourselves off coal/oil towards renewable energy.
You do realize that tax will be passed onto the end user, you and I.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: kramarat on November 07, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:03:20 AM
Immediately following the election, President Obama's Environmental Protection Agency plans a spate of new anti-coal regulation that will virtually grind the industry to a standstill. According to the Washington Examiner:
To the libs....
I'm curious, while the rest of us pay out the ass for energy and the left gives subsidies to those that claim poverty, which is how socialists work.
Will this play a part in how you might vote in the Mid Term elections in two years?

President Obama's Environmental Protection Agency has devoted an unprecedented number of bureaucrats to finalizing new anti-coal regulations that are set to be released at the end of November, according to a source inside the EPA.
More than 50 EPA staff are now crashing to finish greenhouse gas emission standards that would essentially ban all construction of new coal-fired power plants. Never before have so many EPA resources been devoted to a single regulation. The independent and non-partisan Manhattan Institute estimates that the EPA's greenhouse gas coal regulation will cost the U.S. economy $700 billion.

    Titled "A Look Ahead to EPA Regulations for 2013: Numerous Obama EPA Rules Placed on Hold Until After the Election Spell Doom For Jobs and Economic Growth", it lists and describes new rules concocted over the past year ranging from additional restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions, tougher water guidelines and tightening of the ozone standard. Taken together, they will further drive up pump prices, impose construction bans on local communities, and cripple oil, natural gas and coal production.
As the Washington Post notes, the report puts a spotlight back on the Obama EPA which has earned a "reputation for Abuse", serving as a stark reminder that "President Obama has presided over a green team administration that works every day to "crucify" oil and gas companies and make sure that "...if you want to build a coal plant you got a big problem."
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2012/08/23/the-real-reason-obamas-epa-targets-oil-coal-and-natural-gas (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2012/08/23/the-real-reason-obamas-epa-targets-oil-coal-and-natural-gas)

That's a good piece, but I don't know if it reflects the attitude of US News and World Report. I had subscribed to them for years, but quit when they embraced the leftist agenda.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 09:17:43 AM
Solar, that link didn't seem to mention many things the EPA has done, nor could I find much elsewhere on the internet. It seems just to be predicting what Obama may do in the future.

Although, I did find this news article about Obama and energy.Stating that American drilling for oil has increased in the last 4 years. Even Mitt said so !


"The facts show, and President Barack Obama and his Republican challenger Mitt Romney agree, that U.S. production of oil and gas has increased over the past four years."

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/fact-check-oil-gas/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/fact-check-oil-gas/index.html)

Although Romney obviously said it wasn't because of Obama's policies.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 09:20:55 AM
EPA Arrogance under Obama
EPA Official Compares Agency Enforcement to Roman Crucifictions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfh4uCSbo4g#ws)
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 07, 2012, 08:51:02 AM
That's a good piece, but I don't know if it reflects the attitude of US News and World Report. I had subscribed to them for years, but quit when they embraced the leftist agenda.
To be honest, it's more of a compilation of several sites, I just chose this one because they had a bit more to say on the subject.
What is more important, is the agenda exposed, his plan to balance the budget on the backs of the American taxpayer.
I expect to see energy literally triple in this country, if not quadruple...

Consider this, if we pay 3, 5 7 times more for energy, green energy will suddenly look appealing.
Do you see a plan fomenting?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: mdgiles on November 07, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
You do realize that tax will be passed onto the end user, you and I.
You may be speaking to one of those people who believes energy is produced by the outlet on the wall. You know, one of those people who wants everyone to drive an electric car, but who doesn't want any new power plants built.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 07, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
You may be speaking to one of those people who believes energy is produced by the outlet on the wall. You know, one of those people who wants everyone to drive an electric car, but who doesn't want any new power plants built.
Libs never understand that everything has it's limitations.

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_niBNxmTvMiE%2FRur3xfORS_I%2FAAAAAAAAAL8%2FKuSouVjzeqA%2Fs400%2FNo%2BCommon%2BSense.jpg&hash=5b4bf97e52921bacd22edc1f15ef76524c79c315)
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 05:23:18 PM
Quote from: Spatbat on November 07, 2012, 08:35:09 AM
Good news. It is important to slowly wean ourselves off coal/oil towards renewable energy.

What renewable energy is viable?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
Barack Obama may consider introducing a tax on carbon emissions to help cut the U.S. budget deficit after winning a second term as president, according to HSBC Holdings Plc.

A tax starting at $20 a metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalent and rising at about 6 percent a year could raise $154 billion by 2021, Nick Robins, an analyst at the bank in London, said today in an e-mailed research note, citing Congressional Research Service estimates. "Applied to the Congressional Budget Office's 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022," Robins said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/obama-may-levy-carbon-tax-to-cut-the-u-s-deficit-hsbc-says.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/obama-may-levy-carbon-tax-to-cut-the-u-s-deficit-hsbc-says.html)

$154 billion over 9 years?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 07, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
$154 billion over 9 years?
All to be passed on to the consumer as a tax.
But I'm sure it will somehow be Bush's fault.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 07, 2012, 06:54:36 PM
99% of climatologists, with thousands of hours of work experience and professional degrees in the field, support Obama's climate stance.

You = uneducated ignoramus.

Analogy: you walking into a Harvard open heart surgeon with three decades of experience and telling him/her to step out of the way, you've got this, 'cause they've all got it wrong! 
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 07, 2012, 06:54:36 PM
99% of climatologists, with thousands of hours of work experience and professional degrees in the field, support Obama's climate stance.

You = uneducated ignoramus.

Analogy: you walking into a Harvard open heart surgeon with three decades of experience and telling him/her to step out of the way, you've got this, 'cause they've all got it wrong!
I've warned you about name calling, do it again, and it will be the last time.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
All to be passed on to the consumer as a tax.
But I'm sure it will somehow be Bush's fault.
That 154 billion won't even cover the interest...
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 07, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
That 154 billion won't even cover the interest...
Good point, especially at a trillion per year of new debt under Husein.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 07, 2012, 08:46:02 PM
What does energy look like under Obama...

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-Dr Watt
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: walkstall on November 07, 2012, 09:00:03 PM
Quote from: Dr_Watt on November 07, 2012, 08:46:02 PM
What does energy look like under Obama...

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-Dr Watt


I think that is a little advanced event for b o.   :lol:
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Energy production in America  has increased under Obama ...

Has the election changed anything for this forum ? know we had about 1 day where everyone was laid back but it seems to be back to normal now.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 07, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Energy production in America  has increased under Obama ...


Oh, that would explain the $2.00 a gallon gas... :rolleyes:

-Dr Watt
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Energy production in America  has increased under Obama ...

Has the election changed anything for this forum ? know we had about 1 day where everyone was laid back but it seems to be back to normal now.

Because of private wells and public permits approved by the Bush Administration.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Grrrr !!! You have no idea how the world oil price works. It has very little to do with energy production in the United States.

Domestic production has increased under Obama. It's just a fact.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 07, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Grrrr !!! You have no idea how the world oil price works. It has very little to do with energy production in the United States.

Domestic production has increased under in spite of Obama. It's just a fact.

Fixed it for ya!

-Dr Watt
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 10:14:32 PM
No. My statement is 100% accurate. Domestic energy production has increased under Obama.

Quoteecause of private wells and public permits approved by the Bush Administration.

Perhaps. I don't know for sure but I would believe that.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Grrrr !!! You have no idea how the world oil price works. It has very little to do with energy production in the United States.

Domestic production has increased under Obama. It's just a fact.

Learn to read. That is not being disputed. Production is up in spite of him. Not because of him. That is a fact.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 10:47:43 PM
He must really suck at trying to harm domestic energy production than.

Either that or you are wrong in your assessment that his administration is trying to increase oil prices and decrease domestic production.

I wonder which one it is.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 11:11:02 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 10:47:43 PM
He must really suck at trying to harm domestic energy production than.

Either that or you are wrong in your assessment that his administration is trying to increase oil prices and decrease domestic production.

I wonder which one it is.
Who are you responding to?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Both you and Dr Watt.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 11:35:54 PM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Both you and Dr Watt.
Using the quote function would help.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: walkstall on November 08, 2012, 05:30:45 AM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Energy production in America  has increased under Obama ...  Has the election changed anything for this forum ? know we had about 1 day where everyone was laid back but it seems to be back to normal now.

Yep.. I have about 300 wind turbines within about 30 miles of me all around.  All I see at the most is about 30 turning 95 % of the time.  You have to love b o taxes at work.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2012, 06:48:09 AM
Quote from: redlom xof on November 07, 2012, 10:47:43 PM
He must really suck at trying to harm domestic energy production than.

Either that or you are wrong in your assessment that his administration is trying to increase oil prices and decrease domestic production.

I wonder which one it is.
Why do you think I posted this thread?
It is for that exact reason he is imposing a huge tax on carbon based energy, because he can't touch private production till he changes the laws.
If I can't stop them, I'll tax the Hell out of them!
Think Coal, and how he claimed he planned on bankrupting the industry.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: keyboarder on November 08, 2012, 06:58:47 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
I've warned you about name calling, do it again, and it will be the last time.


Thank you Solar!!!!!!!
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
I've warned you about name calling, do it again, and it will be the last time.

Quick question: does "dumb-shit" count? 

Second quick question: do you care to actually respond to my point?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 01:01:34 PM
Quick question: does "dumb-shit" count? 

Second quick question: do you care to actually respond to my point?
As I said before, this topic has been beaten like a dead horse.
But you claim 99% adhere to the aspect that AGW is real but a closer look at the numbers exposes a huge flaw in the need to change human behavior at the risk of destroying our economy.
That flaw is a one degree rise in temp over a 100 year span, a negligible number at that, so sure, why not agree, what could possibly be the consequene of not agreeing?
Well, how about losing all funding and a destroyed carreer?

EPA Chief Vows to Probe E-mail Threatening to
'Destroy' Career of Climate Skeptic



During today's hearing, Senator James Inhofe (R-OK), Ranking Member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, confronted Stephen Johnson, Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), with a threatening e-mail from a group of which EPA is currently a member. The e-mail threatens to "destroy" the career of a climate skeptic. Michael T. Eckhart, president of the environmental group the American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE), wrote in an email on July 13, 2007 to Marlo Lewis, senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI):

"It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar. If you produce one more editorial against climate change, I will launch a campaign against your professional integrity. I will call you a liar and charlatan to the Harvard community of which you and I are members. I will call you out as a man who has been bought by Corporate America. Go ahead, guy. Take me on."
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=04373015-802A-23AD-4BF9-C3F02278F4CF (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=04373015-802A-23AD-4BF9-C3F02278F4CF)
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 01:20:32 PM
As I said before, this topic has been beaten like a dead horse.
But you claim 99% adhere to the aspect that AGW is real but a closer look at the numbers exposes a huge flaw in the need to change human behavior at the risk of destroying our economy.
That flaw is a one degree rise in temp over a 100 year span, a negligible number at that, so sure, why not agree, what could possibly be the consequene of not agreeing?
Well, how about losing all funding and a destroyed carreer?

EPA Chief Vows to Probe E-mail Threatening to
'Destroy' Career of Climate Skeptic



During today's hearing, Senator James Inhofe (R-OK), Ranking Member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, confronted Stephen Johnson, Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), with a threatening e-mail from a group of which EPA is currently a member. The e-mail threatens to "destroy" the career of a climate skeptic. Michael T. Eckhart, president of the environmental group the American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE), wrote in an email on July 13, 2007 to Marlo Lewis, senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI):

"It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar. If you produce one more editorial against climate change, I will launch a campaign against your professional integrity. I will call you a liar and charlatan to the Harvard community of which you and I are members. I will call you out as a man who has been bought by Corporate America. Go ahead, guy. Take me on."
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=04373015-802A-23AD-4BF9-C3F02278F4CF (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=04373015-802A-23AD-4BF9-C3F02278F4CF)

Is NASA in on this conspiracy?  NASA has openly supported global warming theory.  So have dozens of reputable scientific organizations, many (unlike NASA) private.

You do realize that the conspiracy you are proposing would make the 911-truther-conspiracy look like a schoolyard prank, right?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Is NASA in on this conspiracy?  NASA has openly supported global warming theory.  So have dozens of reputable scientific organizations, many (unlike NASA) private.

You do realize that the conspiracy you are proposing would make the 911-truther-conspiracy look like a schoolyard prank, right?
I see, you can't refute what I said so you claim it's a conspiracy.
Oh, and NASA is a govt agency, one at the disposal of the current leadership.
However:

Washington DC: NASA warming scientist James Hansen, one of former Vice President Al Gore's closest allies in the promotion of man-made global warming fears, is being publicly rebuked by his former supervisor at NASA.

Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist Dr. John S. Theon, the former supervisor of James Hansen, NASA's vocal man-made global warming fears soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that Hansen "embarrassed NASA" with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen was "was never muzzled."  Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of international scientists abandoning the promotion of anthropogenic global warming fears.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320 (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320)
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: mdgiles on November 13, 2012, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Is NASA in on this conspiracy?  NASA has openly supported global warming theory.  So have dozens of reputable scientific organizations, many (unlike NASA) private.

You do realize that the conspiracy you are proposing would make the 911-truther-conspiracy look like a schoolyard prank, right?
Fascinating how you continue to make the same logical fallacies, like the appeal to conventional wisdom. I'll bet that if you had been around five hundred years ago, you would have been in favor of declaring Copernicus a heretic. After all, conventional Ptolemaic science had "proved" the earth was the center of the universe. If you actually understood science, you'd understand that it is often the rogue outsider who makes the correct discoveries - Einstein or Wegener or Darwin/Wallace for example.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
Only a complete moron would still believe in AGW -- even after Climate-gate.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Yawn on November 13, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
The world is on the WARMING SIDE of the end of the last ice age.  Thank God for that.  I, for one, hope to see the world become a TROPICAL world like it was during the age of the dinosaurs.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
Only a complete moron would still believe in AGW -- even after Climate-gate.
There's a reason it's no longer in the news, it's no longer warming.
So much for computer models. :laugh:
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 02:09:44 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
There's a reason it's no longer in the news, it's no longer warming.
So much for computer models. :laugh:

We should just ban carbon all together.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 02:09:44 PM
We should just ban carbon all together.
We should sue Mother Nature...
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 02:12:45 PM
We should sue Mother Nature...

Ultimately, she is responsible for this.  Maybe we should also sue the trees for contributing to the carbon dioxide demand?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
Ultimately, she is responsible for this.  Maybe we should also sue the trees for contributing to the carbon dioxide demand?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Punish the user.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
I see, you can't refute what I said so you claim it's a conspiracy.
Oh, and NASA is a govt agency, one at the disposal of the current leadership.
However:

Washington DC: NASA warming scientist James Hansen, one of former Vice President Al Gore's closest allies in the promotion of man-made global warming fears, is being publicly rebuked by his former supervisor at NASA.

Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist Dr. John S. Theon, the former supervisor of James Hansen, NASA's vocal man-made global warming fears soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that Hansen "embarrassed NASA" with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen was "was never muzzled."  Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of international scientists abandoning the promotion of anthropogenic global warming fears.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320 (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320)

No.  You see, you're citing individual cases of global warming skeptics.

The fact is that every reputable scientific organization on Earth agrees that there is man-made global warming.

Just like how every reputable historical textbook on Earth agrees that Julius Caesar really existed.  I could probably find lone examples of qualified dissenters, but that doesn't prove anything at all.

I don't think you properly understand basic statistics.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
No.  You see, you're citing individual cases of global warming skeptics.

The fact is that every reputable scientific organization on Earth agrees that there is man-made global warming.

Just like how every reputable historical textbook on Earth agrees that Julius Caesar really existed.  I could probably find lone examples of qualified dissenters, but that doesn't prove anything at all.

I don't think you properly understand basic statistics.

Wrong!!!
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 03:38:33 PM
Wrong!!!

http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html (http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html)

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Scientific Consensus on Global Warming

Scientific societies and scientists have released statements and studies showing the growing consensus on climate change science. A common objection to taking action to reduce our heat-trapping emissions has been uncertainty within the scientific community on whether or not global warming is happening and if it is caused by humans. However, there is now an overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is indeed happening and humans are contributing to it. Below are links to documents and statements attesting to this consensus.

Scientific Societies

    Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

    "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (October, 2009)

    American Meteorological Society: Climate Change: An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society

    "Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change." (February 2007)

    American Physical Society: Statement on Climate Change

    "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (November 2007)

    American Geophysical Union: Human Impacts on Climate

    "The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted December 2003, Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007)

    American Association for the Advancement of Science: AAAS Board Statement on Climate Change

    "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (December 2006)

    Geological Society of America: Global Climate Change

    "The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth's climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries."  (October 2006)

    American Chemical Society: Statement on Global Climate Change

    "There is now general agreement among scientific experts that the recent warming trend is real (and particularly strong within the past 20 years), that most of the observed warming is likely due to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, and that climate change could have serious adverse effects by the end of this century." (July 2004)

National Science Academies

    U.S. National Academy of Sciences: Understanding and Responding to Climate Change (pdf)

    "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)

    International academies: Joint science academies' statement: Global response to climate change (pdf)

    "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world's climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring." (2005, 11 national academies of science)

    International academies: The Science of Climate Change

    "Despite increasing consensus on the science underpinning predictions of global climate change, doubts have been expressed recently about the need to mitigate the risks posed by global climate change. We do not consider such doubts justified." (2001, 16 national academies of science)

Research

    National Research Council of the National Academies, America's Climate Choices

    "Most of the recent warming can be attributed to fossil fuel burning and other human activities that release carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere." America's Climate Choices, Advancing the Science of Climate Change, 2010

    U.S. Climate Change Research Program, Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States (2009)

    "Global warming is unequivocal and primarily human-induced. Global temperature has increased over the past 50 years. This observed increase is due primarily to human-induced emissions of heat-trapping gases."

    Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Peter T. Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman

    "It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes."

    Doran surveyed 10,257 Earth scientists. Thirty percent responded to the survey which asked: 1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant? and 2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

    Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Naomi Oreskes

    "Oreskes analyzed 928 abstracts published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and listed in the ISI database with the keywords 'climate change.'... Of all the papers, 75 percent either explicitly or implicitly accepted the consensus view that global warming is happening and humans are contributing to it; 25 percent dealt with methods or ancient climates, taking no position on current anthropogenic [human-caused] climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position." 

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

    Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis, IPCC, 2007. Contribution of Working Group I to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [Solomon, S., D. Qin, M. Manning, Z. Chen, M. Marquis, K.B. Averyt, M.Tignor and H.L. Miller (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, NY, USA.

    "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level"

    "Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."

    IPCC defines "very likely" as greater than 90% probability of occurrence.

Sign-on Statements

    The Importance of Science in Addressing Climate Change: Scientists' letter to the U.S. Congress. Statement signed by 18 scientists.
    "We want to assure you that the science is strong and that there is nothing abstract about the risks facing our Nation." (2011)

    Climate Change and the Integrity of Science
    Signed by 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences. "... For a problem as potentially catastrophic as climate change, taking no action poses a dangerous risk for our planet. ... The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. ...Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation." (2010)

    U.S. Scientists and Economists' Call for Swift and Deep Cuts in Greenhouse Gas Emissions

    "We call on our nation's leaders to swiftly establish and implement policies to bring about deep reductions in heat-trapping emissions. The strength of the science on climate change compels us to warn the nation about the growing risk of irreversible consequences as global average temperatures continue to increase over pre-industrial levels (i.e. prior to 1860). As temperatures rise further, the scope and severity of global warming impacts will continue to accelerate." (2008)

    Increase Your Leadership on Global Warming: A Letter from California Scientists

    "If emissions continue unabated, the serious consequences of a changing climate for California are likely to include a striking increase in extreme heat and heat-related mortality, significant reductions in Sierra snowpack with severe impacts on water supply, mounting challenges to agricultural production, and sea-level rise leading to more widespread erosion of California's beaches and coastline." (2005)


These are professionals.  You wouldn't question a surgeon when he's doing heart surgery on a loved one, would you?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:41:21 PM
http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html (http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html)

These are professionals.  You wouldn't question a surgeon when he's doing heart surgery on a loved one, would you?

They aren't professionals.  Try again.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
They aren't professionals.  Try again.

:lol:

The National Research Council of the National Academies isn't professional?
The American Meteorological Society isn't professional?
The American Association for the Advancement of Science isn't professional?
NASA isn't professional?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
:lol:

The National Research Council of the National Academies isn't professional?
Nope.

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The American Meteorological Society isn't professional?
Try harder.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2010/02/01/meteorologists-reject-uns-global-warming-claims (http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2010/02/01/meteorologists-reject-uns-global-warming-claims)

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The American Association for the Advancement of Science isn't professional?
NASA isn't professional?

NASA engineers and scientists don't support global warming.  Your other organizations are liberal scams who have no relevance to society.  If you want to understand something, find someone in the private sector whose livelihood depends on being right.

You really are bad at this.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
The American Association of Petroleum Geologists.

The latest to support the theory.

I love how you ignore the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the world's largest scientific society and an international, non-profit organization.

That's right, non-profit.  Where's the money to gain from supporting a hoax?

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Your entire argument is predicated on the paranoid assumption that the entire scientific community is out to get you and has a liberal agenda.  Just like how you thought that the poll analysts were all bi-oops, that didn't work, did it?
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
The American Association of Petroleum Geologists.

The latest to support the theory.

I love how you ignore the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the world's largest scientific society and an international, non-profit organization.

That's right, non-profit.  Where's the money to gain from supporting a hoax?

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Your entire argument is predicated on the paranoid assumption that the entire scientific community is out to get you and has a liberal agenda.  Just like how you thought that the poll analysts were all bi-oops, that didn't work, did it?

Nope.  Your entire argument is you believe it because some liberal wack job organizations support it.  You need to do better than that.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:11:10 PM
Nope.  Your entire argument is you believe it because some liberal wack job organizations support it.  You need to do better than that.

Show me where NASA (read: not individual members, but the entire society) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science have demonstrated "liberal wack job" symptoms.

Because it seems to me that you've oddly labeled the most reputable scientific organizations in the world (including non-profit organizations) to be against your party; that's not a good sign for your party.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
Show me where NASA (read: not individual members, but the entire society) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science have demonstrated "liberal wack job" symptoms.

Wrong.  Smart people don't believe fallacies and scams:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-global-warming-letter-astronauts_n_1418017.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-global-warming-letter-astronauts_n_1418017.html)


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Because it seems to me that you've oddly labeled the most reputable scientific organizations in the world (including non-profit organizations) to be against your party; that's not a good sign for your party.
Wrong.  No one serious believes in global warming, and you have yet to show otherwise.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
No.  You see, you're citing individual cases of global warming skeptics.

The fact is that every reputable scientific organization on Earth agrees that there is man-made global warming.

Just like how every reputable historical textbook on Earth agrees that Julius Caesar really existed.  I could probably find lone examples of qualified dissenters, but that doesn't prove anything at all.

I don't think you properly understand basic statistics.
WRONG!!!!
I gave you unequivocal proof of threats against those that go against the consensus.
What you fail to understand, is the UN sponsored a group of scientists in one field, a field that is still in it's infancy compared to all other fields, to prove AGW.
That is not how science works, nor do you use models to prove a hypothesis, you use modeling to test theory, not prove it.

You are so out of your element in this arena, it's the reason I didn't want to even acknowledge your idiotic claims.
Like I said, this horse is dead, only a complete idiot still swallows the whole idea that man is going to heat the earth beyond existence.
One degree in 100 years is within statistical norms, fluctuating temps is and has always been the norm for the earth.
Now cooling, that would be something to actually worry about, but that claim fell flat on it's face in the 70s, another ridiculous claim by your vaunted climate, so called scientists.

Did you ever wonder why there were more scientists screaming against the claims of these idiots?
It's because they knew the science was flawed, there are far more scientists against the claim of AGW.
a 2008 canvass of more than 51,000 Canadian scientists revealed 68% disagree that global warming science is "settled."
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=D466FD3D-802A-23AD-4352-774ED30A148F (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=D466FD3D-802A-23AD-4352-774ED30A148F)
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:18:37 PM
Wrong.  Smart people don't believe fallacies and scams:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-global-warming-letter-astronauts_n_1418017.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-global-warming-letter-astronauts_n_1418017.html)

Did you even bother to read the article, or did you just do a quick google search of something that might deflect my position?

No scam was proven.  No fallacy detected.  A group of ex-employees simply stated that they disagree with NASA's stance; no reasons given.

And I don't know you think astronauts count as professionals in the field of climate science.


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Wrong.  No one serious believes in global warming, and you have yet to show otherwise.

On the contrary, I have such a mountain of evidence, I can literally throw names out for ten pages and still have plenty of ammunition left.

Stephen Hawkings.  Michio Kaku.  Both have stated that global warming is man-made.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
Did you even bother to read the article, or did you just do a quick google search of something that might deflect my position?

No scam was proven.  No fallacy detected.  A group of ex-employees simply stated that they disagree with NASA's stance; no reasons given.

And I don't know you think astronauts count as professionals in the field of climate science.


On the contrary, I have such a mountain of evidence, I can literally throw names out for ten pages and still have plenty of ammunition left.

Stephen Hawkings.  Michio Kaku.  Both have stated that global warming is man-made.

Sci Fi, you have yet to prove actual scientists and climatologists believe in AGW.  You can show government and university funded idiots believe in it, but not anyone serious.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
Sci Fi, you have yet to prove actual scientists and climatologists believe in AGW.  You can show government and university funded idiots believe in it, but not anyone serious.

This is what happens when you quote my entire post as though it were one rigid argument, and respond to it in kind.

I've provided two.  Stephen Hawkings and Michio Kaku.  Maybe you've heard of them.  I can provide tons more, but let's start simple.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
This is what happens when you quote my entire post as though it were one rigid argument, and respond to it in kind.

I've provided two.  Stephen Hawkings and
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/ (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/)

QuoteMichio Kaku.  Maybe you've heard of them.
Sure I've heard of him.  He's a leftist lib.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/14/nobel-prize-winning-physicist-resigns-from-top-physics-group-over-global/ (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/14/nobel-prize-winning-physicist-resigns-from-top-physics-group-over-global/)

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I can provide tons more, but let's start simple.
Good. Keep posting them.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:54:40 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 04:43:30 PM
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/ (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/)

Stephen Hawkings vs random US physics professor!  Great job, Taxed.

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Sure I've heard of him.  He's a leftist lib.

Almost all scientists are liberals, Taxed.  Get used to it.  Kaku is also one of the most esteemed living scientists.  I suppose we should dismiss his contributions to string theory out of hand because he's a "leftist lib", eh?   :rolleyes:

Now, will you cut the Ad Hominems and post something substantive?


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More:

Carl Sagan
Neil Degrasse Tyson

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You seem to think that the scientists are the ones injecting politics into the sciences.  They're not.  You see, your denial-movement against global warming mirrors the relativity-denial movement heavily.  It's politically orientated.  You can't understand that politics do not determine what is right and wrong in the hard sciences.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 05:03:54 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:54:40 PM
Stephen Hawkings vs random US physics professor!  Great job, Taxed.

Almost all scientists are liberals, Taxed.  Get used to it.  Kaku is also one of the most esteemed living scientists.  I suppose we should dismiss his contributions to string theory out of hand because he's a "leftist lib", eh?   :rolleyes:

Now, will you cut the Ad Hominems and post something substantive?


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More:

Carl Sagan
Neil Degrasse Tyson

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You seem to think that the scientists are the ones injecting politics into the sciences.  They're not.  You see, your denial-movement against global warming mirrors the relativity-denial movement heavily.  It's politically orientated.  You can't understand that politics do not determine what is right and wrong in the hard sciences.

It's a scam, plain and simple.  You accept and bite down hard on fraud.  I don't.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 05:03:54 PM
It's a scam, plain and simple.

:lol:

So after I cite Hawkings, Kaku, Sagan, and some of the most influential scientists of the 20th/21st century, you resort to a silly one liner.

Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 05:55:22 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
:lol:

So after I cite Hawkings, Kaku, Sagan, and some of the most influential scientists of the 20th/21st century, you resort to a silly one liner.

You didn't cite anything.  Also, you avoided Solar's response.

The fact is, you believe in absurdity, like the Polar Bears are dying, Co2 is a pollutant, and the ice caps are melting.  You can't get any dumber.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 05:55:22 PM
You didn't cite anything.  Also, you avoided Solar's response.

The fact is, you believe in absurdity, like the Polar Bears are dying, Co2 is a pollutant, and the ice caps are melting.  You can't get any dumber.

I'll relay that to Stephen Hawkings now.  He clearly can't get any dumber.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Darth Fife on November 13, 2012, 06:23:26 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
:lol:

So after I cite Hawkings, Kaku, Sagan, and some of the most influential scientists of the 20th/21st century, you resort to a silly one liner.

The only reference that I give any credibility to is the AMS (American Meteorological Society). Maybe I'm biased because I used to be a member.  :tounge:

However, viewing the whole statement (available on their website) the background is very interesting...

This statement provides a brief overview of how and why global climate has changed over the past century and will continue to change in the future. It is based on the peer-reviewed scientific literature and is consistent with the vast weight of current scientific understanding as expressed in assessments and reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and the U.S. Global Change Research Program. Although the statement has been drafted in the context of concerns in the United States, the underlying issues are inherently global in nature.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is a puppet of the U.N. They were basically told to produce research to back up the U.N. claims of Global Warming.

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences based its data and claims of Global Warming on data provided by Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia - commonly referred to as Climategate. Perhaps you've heard of it?

As for the U.S. Global Change Research Program, it can hardly be called objective as in its very mission statement it assumes that Global Climate Change is man made.

The entire AMS statement can be viewed at their website:

http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2012climatechange.html (http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2012climatechange.html)

Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 13, 2012, 06:23:26 PM
The only reference that I give any credibility to is the AMS (American Meteorological Society). Maybe I'm biased because I used to be a member.  :tounge:

However, viewing the whole statement (available on their website) the background is very interesting...

This statement provides a brief overview of how and why global climate has changed over the past century and will continue to change in the future. It is based on the peer-reviewed scientific literature and is consistent with the vast weight of current scientific understanding as expressed in assessments and reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and the U.S. Global Change Research Program. Although the statement has been drafted in the context of concerns in the United States, the underlying issues are inherently global in nature.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is a puppet of the U.N. They were basically told to produce research to back up the U.N. claims of Global Warming.

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences based its data and claims of Global Warming on data provided by Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia - commonly referred to as Climategate. Perhaps you've heard of it?

As for the U.S. Global Change Research Program, it can hardly be called objective as in its very mission statement it assumes that Global Climate Change is man made.

The entire AMS statement can be viewed at their website:

http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2012climatechange.html (http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2012climatechange.html)
Excellent! But don't expect an intelligent response, he's in retreat mode.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Excellent! But don't expect an intelligent response, he's in retreat mode.

If it doesn't involve copying and pasting links to liberal propaganda sources, he has a hard time.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2012, 07:00:13 PM
If it doesn't involve copying and pasting links to liberal propaganda sources, he has a hard time.
I'm pretty much done with the troll, he can't debate actual facts, and when confronted with the truth, he either runs away or deflects and says some off the wall statement that has absolutely no meaning to anyone, in hopes of baffling  them into submission.
It's the tactic of an ignorant debater.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Yawn on November 13, 2012, 07:54:16 PM
He's a time waster. Better to focus on the open minded and motivating them to participate in 2014 and 2016.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 13, 2012, 07:56:03 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
I'm pretty much done with the troll, he can't debate actual facts, and when confronted with the truth, he either runs away or deflects and says some off the wall statement that has absolutely no meaning to anyone, in hopes of baffling  them into submission.
It's the tactic of an ignorant debater.

He is very easily influenced by frauds and imbeciles that he refers to as "Professor" or "Teacher".
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Solar on November 13, 2012, 07:57:25 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 13, 2012, 07:54:16 PM
He's a time waster. Better to focus on the open minded and motivating them to participate in 2014 and 2016.
I agree, we need to focus on facts, people come here for the content, but with a lost cause cluttering the forum, people have trouble cutting through the crap.
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 13, 2012, 08:18:49 PM
So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein.....

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Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Darth Fife on November 13, 2012, 08:26:12 PM
I love the coal powered car in the second picture!

(Think about it! How is the electricity to charge the car's batteries generated?)

Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: walkstall on November 13, 2012, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 13, 2012, 08:26:12 PM
I love the coal powered car in the second picture!

(Think about it! How is the electricity to charge the car's batteries generated?)


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Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 13, 2012, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 13, 2012, 08:26:12 PM
I love the coal powered car in the second picture!

(Think about it! How is the electricity to charge the car's batteries generated?)

I know. They never think anything through.  It reminds me of a story I read in the paper a few years ago. Paul McCartney is a big environmentalist. He won an award for his efforts. They gave him a big fancy car. Flew it from Japan to his home in Ireland. No carbon footprint there :rolleyes:
Title: Re: So What Does Energy Look Like Under Husein
Post by: taxed on November 14, 2012, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 13, 2012, 08:35:26 PM
I know. They never think anything through.  It reminds me of a story I read in the paper a few years ago. Paul McCartney is a big environmentalist. He won an award for his efforts. They gave him a big fancy car. Flew it from Japan to his home in Ireland. No carbon footprint there :rolleyes:

It is basically a religion.  They believe in it, even with no proof.  They just have faith.