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Just a few thoughts...

1525 the slave trade began in North America, becoming entrenched in the economy as deep as tea, tobacco, and cotton.

250 years later the colonies declared independence from Britain, finally forming a government Sept. 17 1787.

Even though slavery was a huge part of the economy, especially in the South, this new country chose to abolish the use of slaves 70 years later.  This, of course, was done by White men, and pit brother against brother in some cases. 

Today Blacks enjoy full rights that Whites do.  This does not deny predjudice, but we've made a lot of progress in spite of the Democrats efforts to hold them back.  I think we can pause a moment and give thanks for the courage of our fathers before us.

Quote from: Frenchconnection on June 27, 2020, 10:26:40 AM
Just a few thoughts...

1525 the slave trade began in North America, becoming entrenched in the economy as deep as tea, tobacco, and cotton.

250 years later the colonies declared independence from Britain, finally forming a government Sept. 17 1787.

Even though slavery was a huge part of the economy, especially in the South, this new country chose to abolish the use of slaves 70 years later.  This, of course, was done by White men, and pit brother against brother in some cases. 

Today Blacks enjoy full rights that Whites do.  This does not deny predjudice, but we've made a lot of progress in spite of the Democrats efforts to hold them back.  I think we can pause a moment and give thanks for the courage of our fathers before us.

For a person who grew up in the South during the 50's, it is tremendous progress. I never went to an integrated school through HS and saw the abomination of segregation. The progress is so gratifying to me.However, too many of our citizens do not understand the concept of equal opportunity and not guaranteed outcome. Socialism has a guaranteed outcome.

Quote from: supsalemgr on June 27, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
For a person who grew up in the South during the 50's, it is tremendous progress. I never went to an integrated school through HS and saw the abomination of segregation. The progress is so gratifying to me.However, too many of our citizens do not understand the concept of equal opportunity and not guaranteed outcome. Socialism has a guaranteed outcome.

History is in the past and cannot be changed. It is what it was. At this point in time and for a long time in the US slavery is history. Demonrats will always be a devisive victim religion. Until people accept the fact that we are all AMERICANS no matter the color of our skin or where our ancestors came from nothing will change. So many people worship Martin Luther King Jr. but they have no idea why other than he was a man with dark skin. They don't practice what he was trying to teach.

Quote from: supsalemgr on June 27, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
For a person who grew up in the South during the 50's, it is tremendous progress. I never went to an integrated school through HS and saw the abomination of segregation. The progress is so gratifying to me.However, too many of our citizens do not understand the concept of equal opportunity and not guaranteed outcome. Socialism has a guaranteed outcome.

Aside from the obvious fact that an overwhelming majority of whites were against forced desegregation, do you think all black community leaders were for forced desegregation?
I can tell you they were not.
I went to public HS in the early 70s and just a couple of years prior, the particular school I attended had a recent history of being like a war zone - race rioting. I graduated from that school and had far more friendships with blacks than whites. And this was during a time when the Black -P. Stone Nation was in power... some of whom I befriended. I learned then that when genuine friendships developed, all the race BS fell by the wayside. In fact, we'd all tell racial jokes that would crack us up. 'Being comfortable in your own skin', as the saying goes, is what it takes to develop true friendships. Trying to be some one you are not will bite you in the ass in the end. No one likes or respects a phony, regardless of skin color.

I do believe racism would not even be talked about if not for the democrats keeping it alive. The reason no democrats voted for the police reform bill is because this is a campaign issue for then, a way to raise money, not a problem that needs to be solved.

Quote from: Possum on June 27, 2020, 04:49:58 PM
I do believe racism would not even be talked about if not for the democrats keeping it alive. The reason no democrats voted for the police reform bill is because this is a campaign issue for then, a way to raise money, not a problem that needs to be solved.

Like the breast cancer donation industry, there will always be breast cancer, because a cure will kill an entire industry leech. The Dim party is that cancerous entity, they bleed the ignorant, and as long as there is money to be made, there will always be some form of division to capitalize on.

Quote from: Frenchconnection on June 27, 2020, 10:26:40 AM
Just a few thoughts...

1525 the slave trade began in North America, becoming entrenched in the economy as deep as tea, tobacco, and cotton.

250 years later the colonies declared independence from Britain, finally forming a government Sept. 17 1787.

Even though slavery was a huge part of the economy, especially in the South, this new country chose to abolish the use of slaves 70 years later.  This, of course, was done by White men, and pit brother against brother in some cases. 

Today Blacks enjoy full rights that Whites do.  This does not deny predjudice, but we've made a lot of progress in spite of the Democrats efforts to hold them back.  I think we can pause a moment and give thanks for the courage of our fathers before us.

The slave TRADE may have began in America by European colonists but the practise of slavery was well established by the Native americans who inhabited this country. The so called "Civilizations" of Meso America practised slavery and human sacrifice which apalled the Spainards.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on June 27, 2020, 06:26:20 PM

The slave TRADE may have began in America by European colonists but the practise of slavery was well established by the Native americans who inhabited this country. The so called "Civilizations" of Meso America practised slavery and human sacrifice which apalled the Spainards.

Been listening to Hotep Jesus?

Here's slavery in American you are not told much about. The Indians keeping slaves and trading in slaves. Olive Oatman's family were mostly killed, the kids then became slaves. How about some reparations for that? Lots of Indians had tattoos like this because it was a mark of slavery. Here sister died of starvation.

The only reason they keep bringing up slavery in the South is to agitate anti-Americanism. If it was really about slavery, they would bring this up too.

(https://exploringyourmind.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/olive-oatman.jpg)

(https://anamericanstream.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Oatman-Massacre-Site-Copy.jpg)

Quote from: Possum on June 27, 2020, 04:49:58 PM
I do believe racism would not even be talked about if not for the democrats keeping it alive. The reason no democrats voted for the police reform bill is because this is a campaign issue for then, a way to raise money, not a problem that needs to be solved.

More importantly, IMO, it is a topic of conversation that requires a forceful and direct rebuttal - refutation that 'pulls no punches!
Tell me, do you know of a conservative politician that Democrats fear will step up and confront them sufficiently about their race-baiting tactics for all America to see?  Neither do they. 

Quote from: Frenchconnection on June 28, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Been listening to Hotep Jesus?

Who is the hell is "Hotep Jesus"?.....I get my informatino from historical books, you should try reading such sometime, you might learn something

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on June 28, 2020, 07:07:35 PM

Who is the hell is "Hotep Jesus"?.....I get my informatino from historical books, you should try reading such sometime, you might learn something

Whoa, easy cowboy, cease fire.  Here's a link to Hotep Jesus (https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Hotep_Jesus) for you to understand what I was referencing.

Some from the link:

QuoteHe also claimed that black people were natives of America and were not brought over on slave ships, claiming that Africans from the Malian Empire had migrated along the ocean current to South America and North America during the 13th and 14th centuries. He also asked why schools did not teach students about black slaveowners (claiming that Native Americans were actually blacks); he also argued that it was not economically sound to argue that the majority of African-Americans were descended from slaves, believing that the majority of blacks were already in the Americas. He also said that he did not believe that Africans were brought over on slave ships, believing that the native (black) peoples on the Americas were slowly conquered from coast to coast and were gradually wiped out. Hotep Jesus also claimed that ancestry websites were inaccurate, as he refused to be classified by a European name such as "Angolan" or "Kenyan". He also claimed that saying that white people brought African slaves to America connoted that Africans could not have discovered America themselves and built their own boats; he believed that accepting the Atlantic slave trade meant erasing black achievement. While Rogan accepted that the Olmecs had African physical features, he questioned Hotep Jesus's logic in claiming that Africans made up the vast majority of native peoples.

Hotep Jesus then claimed that Rome was dependent on Africa for food, that the African Moors brought etiquette and running water to Europe (and told the native Spanish not to sleep in the barns with their animals), saved the white race from the Black Plague, and thus claimed that the Africans were superior enough to travel the globe as the source of food. He also insulted the Roman Empire as a "rudimentary" civilization and claimed that the Greek world looked up to Ancient Egypt as superior. He also claimed that, if Ancient Egypt had boats "before Europe was literate", they could have come to America and "set up shop"; he also used the Olmec heads to show the possibility that the Africans settled the Americas, believed that the serpent mound and the supposedly Egyptian artifacts found in Ohio and the discovery of Egyptian gold in the Grand Canyon signified Egyptian settlement there.

The end of the civil war ended in 1865, 154 years later and blacks are still bitching and moaning.   :glare:

Quote from: Mimsy on June 29, 2020, 09:58:49 AM
The end of the civil war ended in 1865, 154 years later and blacks are still bitching and moaning.   :glare:

So are you just going to ignore Jim Crow/Black Codes, constant lynchings, massacres, vote suppression, segregation, and systemic treatment as a 2nd class citizen?

I'd say Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans around 1970

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 01:12:09 PM
So are you just going to ignore Jim Crow/Black Codes, constant lynchings, massacres, vote suppression, segregation, and systemic treatment as a 2nd class citizen?

I'd say Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans around 1970

Gee, and which party do you suppose was responsible for all of that?

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2020, 01:23:22 PM
Gee, and which party do you suppose was responsible for all of that? (https://www.countable.us/articles/17557-fact-check-republicans-voted-civil-rights-act-percentage-democrats-did)

I'm glad you agree with me that 1970 is around when Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans.

Now, looking forward, I hope that we can come together as a country and progress on this issue.

This movement since George Floyd was killed has been great in the sense that we're addressing one of the worst parts of our history.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 01:52:39 PM


I'm glad you agree with me that 1970 is around when Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans.

Now, looking forward, I hope that we can come together as a country and progress on this issue.

This movement since George Floyd was killed has been great in the sense that we're addressing one of the worst parts of our history.

The only thing we agree on is the DNC is still exploiting and keeping the black family in chains.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 01:52:39 PM


I'm glad you agree with me that 1970 is around when Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans.

Now, looking forward, I hope that we can come together as a country and progress on this issue.

This movement since George Floyd was killed has been great in the sense that we're addressing one of the worst parts of our history.

And which part is that is that Joe the troll? Do you want to rewrite history based on today's standards?

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2020, 02:07:53 PM
The only thing we agree on is the DNC is still exploiting and keeping the black family in chains.

Ah, so do you agree with Mimsy? Do Blacks have no reason to bitch and moan because the Civil War ended in 1865?

Are you, too, going to minimize our history of Jim Crow/Black Codes, constant lynchings, massacres, vote suppression, segregation, and systemic treatment as a 2nd class citizens?

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 02:59:07 PM
Ah, so do you agree with Mimsy? Do Blacks have no reason to bitch and moan because the Civil War ended in 1865?

Are you, too, going to minimize our history of Jim Crow/Black Codes, constant lynchings, massacres, vote suppression, segregation, and systemic treatment as a 2nd class citizens?

All that is complete BS. It happened in the past. It's HISTORY. It isn't happening now. We've moved past that except for assholes like you Joe the troll that want to love in the past but by today's standards. You're the only one making yourself into an ignorant victim. Racist garbage like you should look in the mirror and check yourself before accusing others.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 02:59:07 PM
Ah, so do you agree with Mimsy? Do Blacks have no reason to bitch and moan because the Civil War ended in 1865?

Are you, too, going to minimize our history of Jim Crow/Black Codes, constant lynchings, massacres, vote suppression, segregation, and systemic treatment as a 2nd class citizens?

Our History? That is the history of the DNC! Are you denying it has always been the left that enslaved the black family?

You do know it was always the Republican party that came to the support of blacks, be it the Civil war, or the Civil Rights Act, the DNC has always been against freeing Blacks.

It's time for you to take a Real Civics/History Class?

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 01:52:39 PM


I'm glad you agree with me that 1970 is around when Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans.

Now, looking forward, I hope that we can come together as a country and progress on this issue.

This movement since George Floyd was killed has been great in the sense that we're addressing one of the worst parts of our history.

The only issue is the Democrats and the plantation that they continue to run

And if you don't agree with me you ain't white
The only white privilege I have is being called racist because of the color of my skin

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 01:52:39 PM




This movement since George Floyd was killed has been great in the sense that we're addressing one of the worst parts of our history.

The worst part of OUR HISTORY was from 1861 to 1865 when they killed off 25% of the male population over the issue of ending slavery. If these MARXIST scum have their way it looks like we might have to start shooting again to straighten their asses out.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 02:59:07 PM
Ah, so do you agree with Mimsy? Do Blacks have no reason to bitch and moan because the Civil War ended in 1865?

Are you, too, going to minimize our history of Jim Crow/Black Codes, constant lynchings, massacres, vote suppression, segregation, and systemic treatment as a 2nd class citizens?

You do realize you can not have this discussion without blaming the democratic party. The same democrat party who had the chance to vote for the police reform bill but did not, because they would rather have it as a campaign issue than help to solve the problem. Joe, do you get that? They could have voted to help cities with reform but they did not, they want it to campaign on. You also failed to mention L.B.J's destruction of the black family, another democrat policy. While you are at it, don't forget to mention which party blocked the civil rights bill. Damn Joe, want to have a discussion fine, but take a good hard look at history, YOU are the one trying to minimizing everything by failing to discuss which party was guilty of these actions. Are you proud of that?

Quote from: Dirtbomb on June 29, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
The only issue is the Democrats and the plantation that they continue to run

And if you don't agree with me you ain't white
The only white privilege I have is being called racist because of the color of my skin

At a time when violent radicals are attacking America and its institutions as fundamentally and irredeemably racist, Robin DiAngelo may well be the woman of the hour. A 63-year-old professor at the University of Washington in Seattle, she's a big name in multicultural education and in the burgeoning field of Whiteness Studies, which, unlike other identity-group "studies," exists not to exalt the group in question but to demonize it. In the words of National Post columnist Barbara Kay, Whiteness Studies teaches that to be white is to be "branded, literally in the flesh, with evidence of a kind of original sin. You can try to mitigate your evilness, but you can't eradicate it. The goal...is to entrench permanent race consciousness in everyone – eternal victimhood for non-whites, eternal guilt for whites."

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/if-youre-white-youre-racist-period-bruce-bawer/

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2020, 03:53:19 PM
Our History? That is the history of the DNC! Are you denying it has always been the left that enslaved the black family?

You do know it was always the Republican party that came to the support of blacks, be it the Civil war, or the Civil Rights Act, the DNC has always been against freeing Blacks.

It's time for you to take a Real Civics/History Class?

Yes, our history. You're an American too. Country over Party, my friend.

You continue to agree that Blacks have been enslaved in multiple ways. Like I said, the good thing about Mr. Floyd's murder is the fact that it's brought this conversation to the forefront of our society.

Major corporations are taking steps and donating funds to causes that will increase equity. Congress is working on legislation to improve policing nationwide, States and cities are taking down statues and revising their policing methods, even Mississippi is updating their flag, etc.

There seems to be an acceleration in the movement towards equity for Blacks.

Quote from: Possum on June 29, 2020, 04:11:44 PM
You do realize you can not have this discussion without blaming the democratic party. The same democrat party who had the chance to vote for the police reform bill but did not, because they would rather have it as a campaign issue than help to solve the problem. Joe, do you get that? They could have voted to help cities with reform but they did not, they want it to campaign on. You also failed to mention L.B.J's destruction of the black family, another democrat policy. While you are at it, don't forget to mention which party blocked the civil rights bill. Damn Joe, want to have a discussion fine, but take a good hard look at history, YOU are the one trying to minimizing everything by failing to discuss which party was guilty of these actions. Are you proud of that?

Of course. Democrats have a terrible history.

That doesn't change my position, though.

imo, Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans around 1970.

That's a shame.

What I'm proud of is our collective reaction to Mr. Floyd's murder and the movement that seems to have ignited in this country to address our history with Black Americans.

Quote from: Frenchconnection on June 29, 2020, 08:43:42 AM
Whoa, easy cowboy, cease fire.  understand what I was referencing.

You haven't earned a cease fire yet, coz your referencing this hotep guy infers my post was somewhere in tune with this nutjob who sounds like a cross between Farrakhan and The whacked out Reverend Wright.

Since you seem to be so dense let me spell it out for you so you can better understand.

My Motivation to refute all this crap about how "evil" America is because of slavery is that degenerate who calls himself our Virginia Senator; Timmy the boy Kaine, who recently stated that America created  slavery

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/democrat-senator-tim-kaine-us-didnt-inherit-slavery-anybody-created-video/
I was trying to point out how Slavery is one of mankinds oldest and most established practises.  No one race, no country ethic group is exempt from its past history.

Especially the Native Americans who still practised this AFTER the civil war.  Slavery existed in what would become know as  American long before the first European set foot on it. Blacks had nothing to do with such nor the moors or whomever nutbag Hotep or Idiot Kaine claim.

Man being the warlike and murderous creature he is bears the responsibility. Stronger tribes raid and conquer weaker tribes and seize captives and make them slaves....simple.  So it was on the African continent as it was in the America's and among the Toltecs, Aztecs and Inca's as well as the Mohawk, the Apache and the Cheyenne. All well documented in Historical account and record....not the product of some lunatics demented blatering.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 04:25:50 PM
Yes, our history. You're an American too. Country over Party, my friend.

You continue to agree that Blacks have been enslaved in multiple ways. Like I said, the good thing about Mr. Floyd's murder is the fact that it's brought this conversation to the forefront of our society.

Major corporations are taking steps and donating funds to causes that will increase equity. Congress is working on legislation to improve policing nationwide, States and cities are taking down statues and revising their policing methods, even Mississippi is updating their flag, etc.

There seems to be an acceleration in the movement towards equity for Blacks.

You are insinuating that both parties were guilty, they were not. Look at history and it is very plain which party was trying to keep racism alive. To not acknowledge that is lying to your self and to others. To fix a problem there needs to be open honest discussion, you liberals are not capable of that.

Quote from: Possum on June 29, 2020, 04:43:41 PM
You are insinuating that both parties were guilty, they were not. Look at history and it is very plain which party was trying to keep racism alive. To not acknowledge that is lying to your self and to others. To fix a problem there needs to be open honest discussion, you liberals are not capable of that.

No. I'm not insinuating that. Please don't address me as a partisan. I don't identify with a political party. (https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion) George Washington warned us about that.

I'm glad that you, too, view the American experience of Blacks as a problem.

Imo, compromise after compromise, in our history, has helped doom the Black experience in America.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 05:00:23 PM
No. I'm not insinuating that. Please don't address me as a partisan. I don't identify with a political party. (https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion) George Washington warned us about that.

I'm glad that you, too, view the American experience of Blacks as a problem.

Imo, compromise after compromise, in our history, has helped doom the Black experience in America.

He didn't associate you with a party Joe the Troll. He said you are a liberal and you are. You're also a liar and a racist POS.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 04:38:55 PM
Of course. Democrats have a terrible history.

That doesn't change my position, though.

imo, Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans around 1970.

That's a shame.

What I'm proud of is our collective reaction to Mr. Floyd's murder and the movement that seems to have ignited in this country to address our history with Black Americans.

"Democrats have a terrible history"?
That's like saying Stalin did some bad things! Wake the fuck up Joe, the DNC is guilty of murder, torture and, enslaving other humans unspeakable evils, and all you have to say is "Democrats have a terrible history"?

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 04:25:50 PM
Yes, our

Major corporations are taking steps and donating funds to causes that will increase equity.

WRONG!  They are donating to ACTBLUE, a Dem group who doles out the money.  BLM is short a lot of money that was donated to them because Actblue has distributed to Tides and others.


There seems to be an acceleration in the movement towards equity for Blacks.

WRONG!  There is an act but it's only do nothing grandstanding.  The inequity is not with race, but with class, and that NOBODY but Trump seems to want to fix.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 05:00:23 PM
No. I'm not insinuating that. Please don't address me as a partisan. I don't identify with a political party. (https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion) George Washington warned us about that.

I'm glad that you, too, view the American experience of Blacks as a problem.

Imo, compromise after compromise, in our history, has helped doom the Black experience in America.

Come on Joe, who caused that experience? The democrats? 

Quote from: Mimsy on June 29, 2020, 09:58:49 AM
The end of the civil war ended in 1865, 154 years later and blacks are still bitching and moaning.   :glare:

But the BLACKS never mentioned who started SLAVERY in the US. A Black named Anthony Johnson in Virginia won a case that he could own another BLACK slave. No one talks about who sold Blacks in Africa to the slave runners. HINT: It was not the Eskimos? They were prisoners that lost in the Black wars in Africa and if not SOLD would have been murdered.
Ask any BLACK or BLM member who Nicolas Augustine, William Ellison, Anthony Johnson, Joshua John Ward, Dilsey Pope, Jacob Gasken, Nat Butler, Justus Angel, C Richards, P.C. Richards, Pendarvis Family, Antoine Dubuclet were??? ALL Black slave owners in the Civil War period. Bet NOT ONE Black, BLM, Black Politican know who these people are. That is part of BLACK History in the US and that is NOT going to change :thumbdown: :wink:

Quote from: Possum on June 30, 2020, 03:30:55 AM
Come on Joe, who caused that experience? The democrats?

Yes, specifically those socially conservative southern Democrats.

But that's besides the point...what we have to do now is take this moment and run with it. Do as much as we can to reconcile with out past.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 01, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
Yes, specifically those socially conservative southern Democrats.

But that's besides the point...what we have to do now is take this moment and run with it. Do as much as we can to reconcile with out past.

Lets not forget, conservatives have always been against slavery as the founding fathers were, its part of the ideology. And also dont forget that progressivism, ie leftism, ie marxism, ie totalitarianism and athoritarianism, have always been evil and pushed big govt. There was no switch in the parties. Conservative long ago ceaced to mean "of the past" or "unchanging". Conservatism is the new experiment in world history, while leftism is the old failed way of doing things.

You might not be part of a party, but you certainly are on one side or the other regarding ideology and the culture war.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 01, 2020, 10:40:17 AM
Lets not forget, conservatives have always been against slavery as the founding fathers were, its part of the ideology. And also dont forget that progressivism, ie leftism, ie marxism, ie totalitarianism and athoritarianism, have always been evil and pushed big govt. There was no switch in the parties. Conservative long ago ceaced to mean "of the past" or "unchanging". Conservatism is the new experiment in world history, while leftism is the old failed way of doing things.

You might not be part of a party, but you certainly are on one side or the other regarding ideology and the culture war.

Joe the Troll is a liar. He's definitely a demonrat and that's how he votes.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 01, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
Yes, specifically those socially conservative southern Democrats.

No such animal!!!!

QuoteBut that's besides the point...what we have to do now is take this moment and run with it. Do as much as we can to reconcile with MY past.

FIFY
You libs have always been the racists, the fact that you support the party that still enslaves blacks and sells their aborted baby body parts speaks volumes abut who and what you are!

Quote from: T Hunt on July 01, 2020, 10:40:17 AM
Lets not forget, conservatives have always been against slavery as the founding fathers were, its part of the ideology. And also dont forget that progressivism, ie leftism, ie marxism, ie totalitarianism and athoritarianism, have always been evil and pushed big govt. There was no switch in the parties. Conservative long ago ceaced to mean "of the past" or "unchanging". Conservatism is the new experiment in world history, while leftism is the old failed way of doing things.

You might not be part of a party, but you certainly are on one side or the other regarding ideology and the culture war.

There was certainly a switch in who those southern conservative voters support.

But I try to refrain from being labeled, or labeling myself, as one political ideology or another because that leads to polarization.

Let me ask, what's the new definition of Conservatism to you?

Quote from: Solar on July 01, 2020, 12:07:05 PM
No such animal!!!!FIFY
You libs have always been the racists, the fact that you support the party that still enslaves blacks and sells their aborted baby body parts speaks volumes abut who and what you are!

Not anymore, no. Many of those people who voted for socially conservative Democrats vote for socially conservative Republicans now.

We can't change who we've been as a nation. But we can steer our future in a more Just direction together. The proposal to make Juneteenth a Federal holiday is a nice token from the GOP. Hopefully both parties can continue to build on the positive energy since Mr. Floyd's death.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:07:10 PM


a Federal holiday is a nice token from the GOP. Hopefully both parties can continue to build on the positive energy since Mr. Floyd's death.

George Floyd is nothing more than an convenient expendable forgettable opportunity to push their agenda.  IF you think otherwise you're either a moron a liar or both.

Schumer and Pelosi have already forgotten his name and called him George Kirby.  LOLOL   moronic left.

No country on the face of the earth has done more for the black man than THIS ONE.    We tore ourselves apart for 5 long years in order to secure their freedom..and men died. WHITE MEN...ON BOTH SIDES. 

and no country has been more unappreciated, vilified and slandered for it.

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 02, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
George Floyd is nothing more than an convenient expendable forgettable opportunity to push their agenda.  IF you think otherwise you're either a moron a liar or both.

Schumer and Pelosi have already forgotten his name and called him George Kirby.  LOLOL   moronic left.

If the agenda is Police Reform and his death was enough to get both parties to the negotiating table, it's a positive aspect from a negative situation.

It seems that we as Americans are finally trying to address our past, including how that past affects our present. These are good things.

Justice for all is a good thing.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:15:47 PM
If the agenda is Police Reform and his death was enough to get both parties to the negotiating table, it's a positive aspect from a negative situation.

It seems that we as Americans are finally trying to address our past, including how that past affects our present. These are good things.

Justice for all is a good thing.

come on now...you can admit it here..   It's not justice that is sought.  It's reparations, revenge, dropping the constitution and redoing it to accommodate those that believe they've been harmed in some way...even though 100% of them have  never been slaves and 100% have never owned slaves.    Rules are only for some people, not others...and if Joe Biden is elected, there's gonna be a cleansing of white conservatives/Christians...and I think you know that.   If you're interested in justice then ALL lives should matter.  If you're interested in justice then unborn and about to be born black babies should not be on the chopping block.  hmm?   If youj're interested in justice then the truth would have been told loud and clear now about Trayvon martin, Michael Brown and all the other young hoodlums that got themselves killed.    If you were interested in justice you wouldn't stand by as conservatives are cancelled on social media and university campuses. 

It's not justice you guys are after. 

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
Not anymore, no. Many of those people who voted for socially conservative Democrats vote for socially conservative Republicans now.

What kind of a ignorant statement is that? Are you just making this s*** up as you go along? You can't just be saying stupid stuff and expect people to believe it and where's your proof?

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 02, 2020, 05:22:23 PM
come on now...you can admit it here..   It's not justice that is sought.  It's reparations, revenge, dropping the constitution and redoing it to accommodate those that believe they've been harmed in some way...even though 100% of them have  never been slaves and 100% have never owned slaves.    Rules are only for some people, not others...and if Joe Biden is elected, there's gonna be a cleansing of white conservatives/Christians...and I think you know that.   If you're interested in justice then ALL lives should matter.  If you're interested in justice then unborn and about to be born black babies should not be on the chopping block.  hmm?   If youj're interested in justice then the truth would have been told loud and clear now about Trayvon martin, Michael Brown and all the other young hoodlums that got themselves killed.    If you were interested in justice you wouldn't stand by as conservatives are cancelled on social media and university campuses.

So...are you asking if I'm interested in Justice? The answer is yes. And like I've said, I'm glad that we, as a nation, are moving more in that direction.

It's been a long road, but I think we might see the end of it in our lifetimes. I remember when we never thought we'd see a Black president. I remember when public opinion was agaisnt "Black Lives Matter", I remember when you couldn't be gay on TV, I remember when women weren't expected to have jobs.

Things are getting better. And for Blacks, it seems that things have accelerated. That is good.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
Not anymore, no. Many of those people who voted for socially conservative Democrats vote for socially conservative Republicans now.

We can't change who we've been as a nation. But we can steer our future in a more Just direction together. The proposal to make Juneteenth a Federal holiday is a nice token from the GOP. Hopefully both parties can continue to build on the positive energy since Mr. Floyd's death.

Pure BS! They have one, the Civil war is their monument of Freedom and celebration, they riot and loot and they keep tearing them down,, they have it better in this country than any place on earth.
This is not and never has been about oppression, this is about erasing DNC history and dividing Americans along race lines. How can you not see this?
Look back over the last 40 years, the left has made everything under the sun politically divisive. Are you really so brain-dead that you can't see it?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:07:10 PM

We can't change who we've been as a nation. But we can steer our future in a more Just direction together. The proposal to make Juneteenth a Federal holiday is a nice token from the GOP. Hopefully both parties can continue to build on the positive energy since Mr. Floyd's death.

Why would we want to change what we've been as a nation? In your opinion what have we been that needs changing. Are you talking about Democrats here?

And just what are you talkin about positive energy? Are you talking about the destruction that the riots have caused is that what you call positive energy.

If you want to communicate and be understood quit talking in such generalities and be specific about what the hell you mean because nobody knows what you're talking about

What do you mean by more just Direction? More just according to who?

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 05:25:38 PM
What kind of a ignorant statement is that? Are you just making this s*** up as you go along? You can't just be saying stupid stuff and expect people to believe it and where's your proof?

Just look at the way southern conservatives switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican.

It's no coincidence that Cali switched from voting Republican to voting Democrat too.

But that's a digression. The great thing is that even in the South, the tides are changing and statues, flags, and policing methods are being updated.

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:39:19 PM

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

What an ignorant statement!
We did, we sacrificed thousands of lives to end it, and the day the war ended, was the day we reconciled our past mistakes!

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:39:19 PM
Just look at the way southern conservatives switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican.

It's no coincidence that Cali switched from voting Republican to voting Democrat too.

But that's a digression. The great thing is that even in the South, the tides are changing and statues, flags, and policing methods are being updated.

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

Joe, I'm not interested in your opinion. When you get some facts that you can reference try again. I don't believe anything you just posted not for a minute

And just for your information I don't need to reconcile my past about slavery because never in my life have I owned a Slave.
If you feel you have to reconcile for slavery be my guest but don't try to include me in your bullshit cuz I have nothing to reconcile for

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
Why would we want to change what we've been as a nation? In your opinion what have we been that needs changing. Are you talking about Democrats here?

And just what are you talkin about positive energy? Are you talking about the destruction that the riots have caused is that what you call positive energy.

If you want to communicate and be understood quit talking in such generalities and be specific about what the hell you mean because nobody knows what you're talking about

What do you mean by more just Direction? More just according to who?

We can't change who we've been. It is what it is. We can only reconcile with our original sin of Slavery. Which we're still doing, and I'm encouraging.

And I'm referring to positive legislative energy. It seems that both parties want to do things to progress., i.e. Police Reform.

Just according to us. Americans. Our principals. That All Men Are Created Equal and that this is the Land of Opportunity and that we can pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
Joe, I'm not interested in your opinion. When you get some facts that you can reference try again. I don't believe anything you just posted not for a minute

And just for your information I don't need to reconcile my past about slavery because never in my life have I owned a Slave.
If you feel you have to reconcile for slavery be my guest but don't try to include me in your bullshit cuz I have nothing to reconcile for

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
We can't change who we've been. It is what it is. We can only reconcile with our original sin of Slavery. Which we're still doing, and I'm encouraging.

And I'm referring to positive legislative energy. It seems that both parties want to do things to progress., i.e. Police Reform.

Just according to us. Americans. Our principals. That All Men Are Created Equal and that this is the Land of Opportunity and that we can pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness

That's complete BS from Joe the lying Troll. There was no original sin of slavery. You can't judge history on today's standards. I haven't owned any slaves and noone in my lifetime ever knew anyone that knew anyone that knew anyone who has owned slaves. Fuck you Joe the lying Troll.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:39:19 PM
Just look at the way southern conservatives switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican.

It's no coincidence that Cali switched from voting Republican to voting Democrat too.

But that's a digression. The great thing is that even in the South, the tides are changing and statues, flags, and policing methods are being updated.

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

you can kiss southern ass boy.   Destroying your history is not moving forward..it is moving backward. Giving up our sovereignty to be like everyone else.   I don't want to be like everyone else.  I want one set of laws good enough for everyone.      I want black men to stop being disrespectful of the law and causing their own problems and blaming the police when they caused the escalation.  I want black and white women to stop running their ugly mouths and using the race card to get their way when THEY BROKE THE LAW.  ONE set of laws...remember.   

and just who the hell bud do you want dispensing justice?  Islamists in Minneapolis??  Antifa?  BLM??   We have a justice system.  STOP MESSING WITH IT.       You want to send social workers out of domestic violence calls??  well good luck wit dat.      WHAT is your method of justice......this is gonna be interesting

and deadly.

You talking all sweetness and light and like people are gonna be better when the police are gone and your side is dispensing justice.    Oh yeah.  I bet you can't wait for that.     it's all sweetness and light...and then the screaming and the shooting starts.

And you conservatives thought you'd never see THIS in your lifetimes.  This election is deadly serious.  These people CAN NOT be given any power...>They will kill us.

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 02, 2020, 06:21:53 PM
you can kiss southern ass boy.   Destroying your history is not moving forward..it is moving backward. Giving up our sovereignty to be like everyone else.   I don't want to be like everyone else.  I want one set of laws good enough for everyone.      I want black men to stop being disrespectful of the law and causing their own problems and blaming the police when they caused the escalation.  I want black and white women to stop running their ugly mouths and using the race card to get their way when THEY BROKE THE LAW.  ONE set of laws...remember.   

and just who the hell bud do you want dispensing justice?  Islamists in Minneapolis??  Antifa?  BLM??   We have a justice system.  STOP MESSING WITH IT.       You want to send social workers out of domestic violence calls??  well good luck wit dat.      WHAT is your method of justice......this is gonna be interesting

and deadly.

You talking all sweetness and light and like people are gonna be better when the police are gone and your side is dispensing justice.    Oh yeah.  I bet you can't wait for that.     it's all sweetness and light...and then the screaming and the shooting starts.

Amen! He won't respond.

Here, in part, are the most blatant Communist achievements listed in that original list of 45 Goals.   Read this group very carefully...these are the most sweeping, revolutionary, devastating and deadly Goals on the list from 1963. 

Here we go...

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

11. Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.



THESE are the key Communist Goals on the list and demonstrate clearly how America has been subverted and torn apart from the inside out.  You can see the entire, original list of 45 down below...a list that was entered into the Congressional Record in 1963.    - Jeff Rense

Comment From Founders' America 

[email protected]

12-7-2 Jeff...adding a couple of my own numbers...

46. Import anti-white racists from the Third World, via an open-borders policy, then force their integration to divide and conquer white Western civilization in North America.

47. Feminize men and disarm both the citizenry and military; especially disarm white males.

~```
https://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

be afraid. 

Quote from: Killer Clouds on July 02, 2020, 06:15:13 PM
That's complete BS from Joe the lying Troll. There was no original sin of slavery. You can't judge history on today's standards. I haven't owned any slaves and noone in my lifetime ever knew anyone that knew anyone that knew anyone who has owned slaves. Fuck you Joe the lying Troll.

I don't typically address you because you're disrespectful. But today's your lucky day.

Regarding the bolded, like I said here before, compromise after compromise doomed the Black experience in America.

This is from the original Declaration of Independence: (https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/ruffdrft.html)

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.  This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.  Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce.  And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

and why it was removed: (http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/54)

reprobating the enslaving the inhabitants of Africa, was struck out in complaisance to South Carolina & Georgia who had never attempted to restrain the importation of slaves, and who on the contrary still wished to continue it. our Northern brethren also I believe felt a little tender under those censures; for tho' their people have very few slaves themselves yet they had been pretty considerable carriers of them to others.

We knew what we were choosing to do. This was after Slavery had already been abolished in England and Europe.

This response was for other readers. I likely won't address you again unless you're respectful.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 06:39:40 PM
I don't typically address you because you're disrespectful. But today's your lucky day.

Regarding the bolded, like I said here before, compromise after compromise doomed the Black experience in America.

This is from the original Declaration of Independence: (https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/ruffdrft.html)

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.  This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.  Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce.  And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

and why it was removed: (http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/54)

reprobating the enslaving the inhabitants of Africa, was struck out in complaisance to South Carolina & Georgia who had never attempted to restrain the importation of slaves, and who on the contrary still wished to continue it. our Northern brethren also I believe felt a little tender under those censures; for tho' their people have very few slaves themselves yet they had been pretty considerable carriers of them to others.

We knew what we were choosing to do. This was after Slavery had already been abolished in England and Europe.

This response was for other readers. I likely won't address you again unless you're respectful.

You can kiss my ass. Fuck you and your respect. You don't deserve any respect because your a lying liberal  troll. You've been a troll since your first post and you continue to be a troll. You don't denie it because you know it's true.

Joe butt packed,

Well then by all means let me show you some respect FO you you little twerp and the horse you rode in on

BWAHAHAHA LAUGHTER

I love that.  He wants you to be respectful to him while he plots and supports the eventual enslavement and probable genocide  of this nation and citizens to Marxist/socialist asshole progressive globalist radicals.

BE NICE YOU..PUT ON THAT MASK and GET ON THAT CATTLE CAR. 

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 02, 2020, 06:50:58 PM
I love that.  He wants you to be respectful to him while he plots and supports the eventual enslavement and probable genocide  of this nation and citizens to Marxist/socialist asshole progressive globalist radicals.

BE NICE YOU..PUT ON THAT MASK and GET ON THAT CATTLE CAR.

Yeah he's so stupid he doesn't realize that nobody respects him. Just because people are not an asshole like me doesn't equate to respect.

here's their idea.   Here's what they want.   Demowhack candidate says, 'Report Trump Supporters'.    Report them to whom???  the police?  they're defunding police...that leaves...who?  Antifa?  blm?  democrat special star chamber for conservative haters/trump deplorables? Minneapolis islamists??...the beheading division of the democrat party.   Read Revelation?   

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/democrat-congressional-candidate-report-trump-supporters.php

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
We can't change who we've been. It is what it is. We can only reconcile with our original sin of Slavery. Which we're still doing, and I'm encouraging.

And I'm referring to positive legislative energy. It seems that both parties want to do things to progress., i.e. Police Reform.

Just according to us. Americans. Our principals. That All Men Are Created Equal and that this is the Land of Opportunity and that we can pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness

What's this we shit? No one alive today owned slaves!

I'm just astonished at his view of History.
He says we as a nation, lumping everybody together not seeming to realize that there were two sides to the slavery issue. He doesn't want to acknowledge that not everyone in this country supported slavery. And not everyone in this country owned slaves. But at the same time he believes that all people should pay reparations. It's just an ignorant position. God decided a long time ago that the sons would no longer be responsible for the sins of the fathers, and the father's would no longer be responsible for the sins of the sons. Yet he thinks he knows better than God This country was never not divided. not everyone then, and none now, are responsible for slavery.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:15:47 PM
If the agenda is Police Reform and his death was enough to get both parties to the negotiating table, it's a positive aspect from a negative situation.

It seems that we as Americans are finally trying to address our past, including how that past affects our present. These are good things.

Justice for all is a good thing.

But the republicans had a bill, the democrats would not even discuss it. The bill gave the democrats 80% of what they were asking for, they would not even vote. The democrats see this as a campaign issue and are not looking for ways to get this solved. Using a dead man to get votes is pretty disgusting, don't you agree?

I propose a Bill be drawn up, that all Dims must pay reparations.

Hey, it's only fair, the Right has always been against slavery, even to date, no right winger owns a slave.
So it's only fair the party that perpetrated the abomination of slavery, finally pay what they owe for keeping blacks locked on the Marxist plantation to this very day.

Joe, I think everyone here wants a color blind society that treats all Americans equally. However, there is a difference between pandering to make one feel good and making actual substantive changes. Most Democrats/Liberals I know give great lip service to justice but have no idea about how to go about creating it. Talking just won't get it done and neither will demonizing people who have a different way of going about it.BLM and Antifa are communistic organizations that do not seek to improve the system, it is to destroy the system and those who support it, and create one in the image developed by Karl Marx

Quote from: MichaelJ on July 03, 2020, 10:14:25 AM
Joe, I think everyone here wants a color blind society that treats all Americans equally. However, there is a difference between pandering to make one feel good and making actual substantive changes. Most Democrats/Liberals I know give great lip service to justice but have no idea about how to go about creating it. Talking just won't get it done and neither will demonizing people who have a different way of going about it.BLM and Antifa are communistic organizations that do not seek to improve the system, it is to destroy the system and those who support it, and create one in the image developed by Karl Marx

They don't want the problem solved, they see their strength comes from a divided society. Don't believe it? Look at how the liberals treat a conservative black. 

Quote from: Possum on July 03, 2020, 03:56:37 AM
But the republicans had a bill, the democrats would not even discuss it. The bill gave the democrats 80% of what they were asking for, they would not even vote. The democrats see this as a campaign issue and are not looking for ways to get this solved. Using a dead man to get votes is pretty disgusting, don't you agree?

It would be except that the Democrats passed a Police Reform bill (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr7120).

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 07:20:33 PM
I'm just astonished at his view of History.
He says we as a nation, lumping everybody together not seeming to realize that there were two sides to the slavery issue. He doesn't want to acknowledge that not everyone in this country supported slavery. And not everyone in this country owned slaves. But at the same time he believes that all people should pay reparations. It's just an ignorant position. God decided a long time ago that the sons would no longer be responsible for the sins of the fathers, and the father's would no longer be responsible for the sins of the sons. Yet he thinks he knows better than God This country was never not divided. not everyone then, and none now, are responsible for slavery.

Not everyone supported slavery. Not everyone owned slaves. But collectively we have to deal with it because our American history reflects on our American lives today.

We don't live in a vacuum

Quote from: Solar on July 02, 2020, 07:07:01 PM
What's this we shit? No one alive today owned slaves!

No, but it's our American history. We still have to deal with it.

Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2020, 04:08:39 AM
I propose a Bill be drawn up, that all Dims must pay reparations.

Hey, it's only fair, the Right has always been against slavery, even to date, no right winger owns a slave.
So it's only fair the party that perpetrated the abomination of slavery, finally pay what they owe for keeping blacks locked on the Marxist plantation to this very day.

Hmm...not a terrible idea. I'd change that instead of repaying by Party, which is sloppy, the States of the former Confederacy should be made to pay.  It makes more logical sense since they lost the war to keep Slavery and were the ones to vote against almost every Civil Rights legislation.

Quote from: MichaelJ on July 03, 2020, 10:14:25 AM
Joe, I think everyone here wants a color blind society that treats all Americans equally. However, there is a difference between pandering to make one feel good and making actual substantive changes. Most Democrats/Liberals I know give great lip service to justice but have no idea about how to go about creating it. Talking just won't get it done and neither will demonizing people who have a different way of going about it.BLM and Antifa are communistic organizations that do not seek to improve the system, it is to destroy the system and those who support it, and create one in the image developed by Karl Marx

I don't disagree.

For the sake of this thread, what are some substantive changes/ideas that you may have or support?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 03, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
It would be except that the Democrats passed a Police Reform bill (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr7120).

https://newrepublic.com/article/158106/democrats-police-reform-bill
Like I said,  Using a dead man to get votes is pretty disgusting, don't you agree?

Quote from: Possum on July 03, 2020, 05:13:50 PM
https://newrepublic.com/article/158106/democrats-police-reform-bill
Like I said,  Using a dead man to get votes is pretty disgusting, don't you agree?

It is. Did any of them say why they wanted to continue negotiating the bill? That's what the vote was for, to end the negotiations.

I hope they have good reason. Maybe the Senate can just take up the bi-partisan House bill and move on with that...

Hopefully our legislators in the Senate can work this out.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 03, 2020, 05:08:05 PM
No, but it's our American history. We still have to deal with it.

Key word "American history", it's over, no one alive today is effected by it. Get over it!

Quote from: joesixpack on July 03, 2020, 05:08:13 PM
Hmm...not a terrible idea. I'd change that instead of repaying by Party, which is sloppy, the States of the former Confederacy should be made to pay.  It makes more logical sense since they lost the war to keep Slavery and were the ones to vote against almost every Civil Rights legislation.

WOW! That was stupid!!! The Confederacy paid with lives and livelihood, as well as having their currency killed. The price was paid, get over yourself!

Quote from: joesixpack on July 03, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
It is. Did any of them say why they wanted to continue negotiating the bill? That's what the vote was for, to end the negotiations.

I hope they have good reason. Maybe the Senate can just take up the bi-partisan House bill and move on with that...

Hopefully our legislators in the Senate can work this out.

The democrats could have worked thru differences, McConnell was willing to work on amendments, but they choose to keep it for a campaign issue. Pretty disgusting, but we are talking about pelosi. Don't think the senate will take it up, it does not address the issues.

Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
Key word "American history", it's over, no one alive today is effected by it. Get over it!

I'd say that the rain from yesterday effects my lawn today.

That's fine. We'll leave it at that if you don't think the past effects the future.

At least we agreed that it was around 1970 when Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans.

We can end our discussion on that consensus.

Quote from: Possum on July 03, 2020, 05:25:59 PM
The democrats could have worked thru differences, McConnell was willing to work on amendments, but they choose to keep it for a campaign issue. Pretty disgusting, but we are talking about pelosi. Don't think the senate will take it up, it does not address the issues.

McConnell voted to keep the discussions open along with the Dems.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s126

I think and hope they work this out eventually.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:32:52 PM
So...are you asking if I'm interested in Justice? The answer is yes. And like I've said, I'm glad that we, as a nation, are moving more in that direction.

It's been a long road, but I think we might see the end of it in our lifetimes. I remember when we never thought we'd see a Black president. I remember when public opinion was agaisnt "Black Lives Matter", I remember when you couldn't be gay on TV, I remember when women weren't expected to have jobs.

Things are getting better. And for Blacks, it seems that things have accelerated. That is good.

Sorry pal, but the justice (social) you/they seek is not real justice, but scraps from a table.  Instead of claiming it you wait for it to be given. 

Quote from: joesixpack on July 03, 2020, 05:27:13 PM
I'd say that the rain from yesterday effects my lawn today.

Wow, we're talking 150 years ago, did that rain affect your lawn as well? :lol: :lol: :lol:

QuoteThat's fine. We'll leave it at that if you don't think the past effects the future.

History is to be learned from, not used as a weapon for extortion! Grow up!

QuoteAt least we agreed that it was around 1970 when Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans.

Pure Bull Shit! Never put words in my mouth, we agreed upon nothing whatsoever!

QuoteWe can end our discussion on that consensus.

No son, you don't get to lie and run away!!!

Do you think it's OK to be charged the debt your great great father owed?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 03, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
It would be except that the Democrats passed a Police Reform bill (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr7120).

They knew the GOP would not touch their bill. Then would not even vote to debate Tim Scott's senate bill and he told them they were able to discuss any amendments.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 29, 2020, 01:52:39 PM


I'm glad you agree with me that 1970 is around when Blacks were somewhat allowed to be Americans.

Now, looking forward, I hope that we can come together as a country and progress on this issue.

This movement since George Floyd was killed has been great in the sense that we're addressing one of the worst parts of our history.

Why do you assume that "Blacks" were not capable of enjoying their citizenry as Americans?  I'm wondering how many blacks you've come to know on a personal level in your life? My life's experience tells me, black, white or whatever color in the rainbow you'd like to choose, you can't keep a good man down, no matter the opposition.
Do yourself a favor, and read some about black conservatives throughout American History.
"A good man often becomes a great man because of the opposition he faces."

Aside: Your application of the word "blacks" sounds somewhat like a projection of your own prejudices.

Quote from: WMK on July 04, 2020, 08:47:44 AM
Why do you assume that "Blacks" were not capable of enjoying their citizenry as Americans?  I'm wondering how many blacks you've come to know on a personal level in your life? My life's experience tells me, black, white or whatever color in the rainbow you'd like to choose, you can't keep a good man down, no matter the opposition.
Do yourself a favor, and read some about black conservatives throughout American History.
"A good man often becomes a great man because of the opposition he faces."

Aside: Your application of the word "blacks" sounds somewhat like a projection of your own prejudices.

Nailed it!!!
These libs see blacks as somehow inferior, that thy're incapable of bettering their lives unless the govt coddles them. That's the epitome of racism!
The only issue here is govt, Dims in particular, keeping them victims just like they do with every group under the sun.

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2020, 08:52:54 AM
Nailed it!!!
These libs see blacks as somehow inferior, that thy're incapable of bettering their lives unless the govt coddles them. That's the epitome of racism!
The only issue here is govt, Dims in particular, keeping them victims just like they do with every group under the sun.

Agreed. The demonrats have always been racists. They judge people by the color of their skin instead of by their character. Joe the Troll is the worst kind of racist.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on July 04, 2020, 09:51:21 AM
Agreed. The demonrats have always been racists. They judge people by the color of their skin instead of by their character. Joe the Troll is the worst kind of racist.

BINGO!!!

Quote from: WMK on July 04, 2020, 08:47:44 AM
Why do you assume that "Blacks" were not capable of enjoying their citizenry as Americans?  I'm wondering how many blacks you've come to know on a personal level in your life? My life's experience tells me, black, white or whatever color in the rainbow you'd like to choose, you can't keep a good man down, no matter the opposition.
Do yourself a favor, and read some about black conservatives throughout American History.
"A good man often becomes a great man because of the opposition he faces."

Aside: Your application of the word "blacks" sounds somewhat like a projection of your own prejudices.

Because Blacks have largely been unable to enjoy the freedoms and liberties that Whites have.

The Constitution didn't recognize Blacks as full human. It took a Civil War, 3 Amendments and a military occupation of the South for Blacks to start enjoying some American freedom.

We abandoned Reconstruction after 10 years, and Blacks were subjugated to 2nd class citizenship again via Black codes, Jim Crow, disenfranchisement, lynchings, massacres, segregation, etc. So much so that their escape from the South as political refugees is dubbed, The Great Migration.

There's more, but you get the picture. I'm not saying it was impossible to succeed. But those were certainly not obstacles faced by all Americans.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 04, 2020, 05:01:32 AM
They knew the GOP would not touch their bill. Then would not even vote to debate Tim Scott's senate bill and he told them they were able to discuss any amendments.

the Republicans voted to end the debate. The Democrats and McConnell voted to continue it.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s126

I hope that they figure it out and can reconcile with what the House passed.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
the Republicans voted to end the debate. The Democrats and McConnell voted to continue it.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s126

I hope that they figure it out and can reconcile with what the House passed.

The house passed more BS garbage that they knew would never make it past the senate. Even if it did it would be voted by the president. Again they have proven that they couldn't care less about the citizens of this country. Fuck you Joe the Troll. You're as bad if not worse than they are.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 12:29:56 PM
Because Blacks have largely been unable to enjoy the freedoms and liberties that Whites have.

The Constitution didn't recognize Blacks as full human. It took a Civil War, 3 Amendments and a military occupation of the South for Blacks to start enjoying some American freedom.

We abandoned Reconstruction after 10 years, and Blacks were subjugated to 2nd class citizenship again via Black codes, Jim Crow, disenfranchisement, lynchings, massacres, segregation, etc. So much so that their escape from the South as political refugees is dubbed, The Great Migration.

There's more, but you get the picture. I'm not saying it was impossible to succeed. But those were certainly not obstacles faced by all Americans.

are you stupid?    Look at what blacks are doing everyday.  we had a BLACK president for eightlong years.  LOOK at the number of black congressmen and senators.   LOOK at entertainment, media, sports, culture, music, business, education.  YOU NAME IT..   and you say they are discriminated against and held back??!!.    Here's what holds blacks back.  THE DAMN DEMOCRAT PARTY who only trots out this bilge every 4 years when they need a win.  They will drop black people the minute that Hispanics show themselves as a bigger pot to stir.   And that's happening now.

Blacks have problems?  yes...caused by the unrest encouraged by the left for the left's own purposes.   They encourage theft, looting, rioting, violence, violence against the police, dismissing the value of education and moral living, fatherless families, mothers who use abortion as a means of birth control and babies as a means of getting $$  from the government.  The left has virtually destroyed the black family and character.   

Democrat inspired POOR schools for blacks keep them more stupid than the white part of the population.  No ethics, morals, respect for law or GOD are taught.  Thank God for Good conservative black citizens who refuse to allow the gov't to destroy their kids and their families.

This makes for bad black politicians (as well as in other parts of society) who are entitled, angry, hatefilled for this nation, disrespectful, money grubbing corrupt, ignorant, unethical and immoral. They are the reason that many good moral educated, family oriented, America loving blacks are ignored as if they didn't exist.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
the Republicans voted to end the debate. The Democrats and McConnell voted to continue it.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s126

I hope that they figure it out and can reconcile with what the House passed.

I suggest you educate yourself to senate rules. It took 60 votes to begin debate.

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 04, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
are you stupid?    Look at what blacks are doing everyday.  we had a BLACK president for eightlong years.  LOOK at the number of black congressmen and senators.   LOOK at entertainment, media, sports, culture, music, business, education.  YOU NAME IT..   and you say they are discriminated against and held back??!!.    Here's what holds blacks back.  THE DAMN DEMOCRAT PARTY who only trots out this bilge every 4 years when they need a win.  They will drop black people the minute that Hispanics show themselves as a bigger pot to stir.   And that's happening now.

Blacks have problems?  yes...caused by the unrest encouraged by the left for the left's own purposes.   They encourage theft, looting, rioting, violence, violence against the police, dismissing the value of education and moral living, fatherless families, mothers who use abortion as a means of birth control and babies as a means of getting $$  from the government.  The left has virtually destroyed the black family and character.   

Democrat inspired POOR schools for blacks keep them more stupid than the white part of the population.  No ethics, morals, respect for law or GOD are taught.  Thank God for Good conservative black citizens who refuse to allow the gov't to destroy their kids and their families.

This makes for bad black politicians (as well as in other parts of society) who are entitled, angry, hatefilled for this nation, disrespectful, money grubbing corrupt, ignorant, unethical and immoral. They are the reason that many good moral educated, family oriented, America loving blacks are ignored as if they didn't exist.

In one breath, you praise our having a Black president, Black Congressmen and Senators, etc. And in the next breath, you blame Democrats.

Yet, our Black president, and 54 of our 56 Black congressional representatives are Democrats.

:confused:

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 04, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
I suggest you educate yourself to senate rules. It took 60 votes to begin debate.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s126

This was a vote on "cloture" in the Senate, which means to end debate so that an up-or-down vote can be taken. A vote in favor is a vote to end debate and move to a vote on the issue itself, while a vote against is a vote to prolong debate or to filibuster.

The vote was related to S. 3985.


https://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/cloture.htm

cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 12:29:56 PM
Because Blacks have largely been unable to enjoy the freedoms and liberties that Whites have.

The Constitution didn't recognize Blacks as full human. It took a Civil War, 3 Amendments and a military occupation of the South for Blacks to start enjoying some American freedom.

We abandoned Reconstruction after 10 years, and Blacks were subjugated to 2nd class citizenship again via Black codes, Jim Crow, disenfranchisement, lynchings, massacres, segregation, etc. So much so that their escape from the South as political refugees is dubbed, The Great Migration.

There's more, but you get the picture. I'm not saying it was impossible to succeed. But those were certainly not obstacles faced by all Americans.

Yet you refuse to recognize the party that's kept them from achieving their dreams. Wake up lib! This is all you party, the Right does not care about race or skin color!

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2020, 01:13:43 PM
Yet you refuse to recognize the party that's kept them from achieving their dreams. Wake up lib! This is all you party, the Right does not care about race or skin color!

I think part of the problem is liberals see "their democrat" party as being as liberal as they are. Because of that, they assume all republicans think alike. I do not think liberals see a difference between republicans and conservatives.

Probably got dropped on their head as babies.

Quote from: Possum on July 04, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
I think part of the problem is liberals see "their democrat" party as being as liberal as they are. Because of that, they assume all republicans think alike. I do not think liberals see a difference between republicans and conservatives.

Probably got dropped on their head as babies.

What do you suppose the doctors knew at the time? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2020, 01:13:43 PM
Yet you refuse to recognize the party that's kept them from achieving their dreams. Wake up lib! This is all you party, the Right does not care about race or skin color!

Post 26

Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 12:52:57 PM
In one breath, you praise our having a Black president, Black Congressmen and Senators, etc. And in the next breath, you blame Democrats.

Yet, our Black president, and 54 of our 56 Black congressional representatives are Democrats.

:confused:

that's right...so wut da hell are you complainin' about.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 03:37:17 PM
Post 26

Yet how quickly you glossed over my response. That is hardly a response to the brutality the DNC has inflicted on the people of this great Nation!


"Democrats have a terrible history"?
That's like saying Stalin did some bad things! Wake the fuck up Joe, the DNC is guilty of murder, torture and, enslaving other humans unspeakable evils, and all you have to say is "Democrats have a terrible history"?

The US has never had a black president Joe the lying troll.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on July 04, 2020, 06:46:29 PM
The US has never had a black president Joe the lying troll.

actually...you're right.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 12:55:26 PM
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s126

This was a vote on "cloture" in the Senate, which means to end debate so that an up-or-down vote can be taken. A vote in favor is a vote to end debate and move to a vote on the issue itself, while a vote against is a vote to prolong debate or to filibuster.

The vote was related to S. 3985.


https://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/cloture.htm

cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

Exactly. The GOP needed democrat votes to end the debate so the bill could be debated. It is very clear the democrats did not desire to go on record with a vote on Tim Scott's bill.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 05, 2020, 06:08:04 AM
Exactly. The GOP needed democrat votes to end the debate so the bill could be debated. It is very clear the democrats did not desire to go on record with a vote on Tim Scott's bill.

Indeed, I wondered back in post 76 what some of their reasons were. No one provided any quotes from the Senators in this thread. But I still believe that this will get done and paired with the paired with the House bill that has already passed.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 06:22:34 AM
Indeed, I wondered back in post 76 what some of their reasons were. No one provided any quotes from the Senators in this thread. But I still believe that this will get done and paired with the paired with the House bill that has already passed.

The house bill is garbage and you know it Joe the lying troll. The house bill does nothing other than promote the demonrat agenda and weaken this country. It's going nowhere in the senate.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 06:22:34 AM
Indeed, I wondered back in post 76 what some of their reasons were. No one provided any quotes from the Senators in this thread. But I still believe that this will get done and paired with the paired with the House bill that has already passed.

Do you not understand the GOP wanted a senate bill so they could debate with the house bill to come up with a compromise? It was the democrats who stopped this by not voting to end cloture.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 05, 2020, 08:23:12 AM
Do you not understand the GOP wanted a senate bill so they could debate with the house bill to come up with a compromise? It was the democrats who stopped this by not voting to end cloture.

Seems to me that they need to come together and hammer it out.

Senate Democrats, in a letter to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have unequivocally rejected further consideration of Republicans' police reform bill — legislation they think falls far short of the policy changes they'd like to see.

"We will not meet this moment by holding a floor vote on the JUSTICE Act, nor can we simply amend this bill, which is so threadbare and lacking in substance that it does not even provide a proper baseline for negotiations," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sens. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker write in the letter. "This bill is not salvageable and we need bipartisan talks to get to a constructive starting point."

https://www.booker.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Booker,%20Harris,%20Schumer%20Letter%20to%20McConnell.pdf

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 08:30:39 AM
Seems to me that they need to come together and hammer it out.

Senate Democrats, in a letter to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have unequivocally rejected further consideration of Republicans' police reform bill — legislation they think falls far short of the policy changes they'd like to see.

"We will not meet this moment by holding a floor vote on the JUSTICE Act, nor can we simply amend this bill, which is so threadbare and lacking in substance that it does not even provide a proper baseline for negotiations," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sens. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker write in the letter. "This bill is not salvageable and we need bipartisan talks to get to a constructive starting point."

https://www.booker.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Booker,%20Harris,%20Schumer%20Letter%20to%20McConnell.pdf

Joe...why don't you tell us what the democrats want in that bill.   Doyou know? 

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 05, 2020, 08:51:53 AM
Joe...why don't you tell us what the democrats want in that bill.   Doyou know?

Click the link I provided

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 08:30:39 AM
Seems to me that they need to come together and hammer it out.

Senate Democrats, in a letter to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have unequivocally rejected further consideration of Republicans' police reform bill — legislation they think falls far short of the policy changes they'd like to see.

"We will not meet this moment by holding a floor vote on the JUSTICE Act, nor can we simply amend this bill, which is so threadbare and lacking in substance that it does not even provide a proper baseline for negotiations," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sens. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker write in the letter. "This bill is not salvageable and we need bipartisan talks to get to a constructive starting point."

I agree. Why won't the democrats allow the process to begin?

https://www.booker.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Booker,%20Harris,%20Schumer%20Letter%20to%20McConnell.pdf

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 09:05:11 AM
Click the link I provided

The demonrats don't want to negotiate a bipartisan bill. They want it to be their way or no way. It's fucking braindead sheeple like you Joe the lying Troll that want to see the destruction of this country that back their bullshit.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on July 05, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
The demonrats don't want to negotiate a bipartisan bill. They want it to be their way or no way. It's fucking braindead sheeple like you Joe the lying Troll that want to see the destruction of this country that back their bullshit.

I agree the democrats want it their way. However, another reason is they are cowards to vote on the issue. If they have to even vote on the house democrat bill they will be voting against the police. They realize that will kill them with beloved independents and the suburbs.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 09:05:11 AM
Click the link I provided

yeah...read that...but from past history,,,all the fine words from democrats don't mean a fig.    What they say and what they really want...and even what their words are to media....are NOT what all the flowery words in that letter say.

They want total control over the whole thing.  I suspect that much of that they are asking for is already on the books...seems to me to be so.   

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 08:30:39 AM
Seems to me that they need to come together and hammer it out.

Senate Democrats, in a letter to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have unequivocally rejected further consideration of Republicans' police reform bill — legislation they think falls far short of the policy changes they'd like to see.

"We will not meet this moment by holding a floor vote on the JUSTICE Act, nor can we simply amend this bill, which is so threadbare and lacking in substance that it does not even provide a proper baseline for negotiations," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sens. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker write in the letter. "This bill is not salvageable and we need bipartisan talks to get to a constructive starting point."

https://www.booker.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Booker,%20Harris,%20Schumer%20Letter%20to%20McConnell.pdf

Why do you think the federal government needs to step in? These cases have all occurred where the liberals have been in charge for a very long time. Are they doing it all wrong? Do the liberals running these cities not care about brutality of their own police departments? Can the liberals not correct their own mess? You do realize the chief of police in all of these cities are hand picked by the liberal councils and mayors? So Joe, tell us, why do they have these problems?

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
Why do you think the federal government needs to step in? These cases have all occurred where the liberals have been in charge for a very long time. Are they doing it all wrong? Do the liberals running these cities not care about brutality of their own police departments? Can the liberals not correct their own mess? You do realize the chief of police in all of these cities are hand picked by the liberal councils and mayors? So Joe, tell us, why do they have these problems?

I think it's evident that nationwide, Police seem to lack training and accountability. That's why Congress has decided to step in.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
I think it's evident that nationwide, Police seem to lack training and accountability. That's why Congress has decided to step in.

It seems you're full of shit as usual Joe the lying Troll. The problem lies with the mayor's and city councils that are predominantly demonrats. Not to mention the corrupt demonrat judges and prosecutors. Pull your head out of your ass or take your BS somewhere else Joe the lying Troll.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
I think it's evident that nationwide, Police seem to lack training and accountability. That's why Congress has decided to step in.

Why is it only happening in liberal run towns?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
I think it's evident that nationwide, Police seem to lack training and accountability. That's why Congress has decided to step in.

And what states and cities are having the majority of the problems?

Why do you ignore the truth, the truth that these are all failed leftist strongholds. These people are appointed by the left, they're trained by the left, they have to enforce laws in the most corrupt cities in the Nation.
Then when something goes wrong they instantly blame the police? How about you actually look at the root of the problem, failed leftist social programs that created the blight.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 01:38:41 PM
Why is it only happening in liberal run towns?

What is: "it"? And do you have a database or list of places where "it" is happening?

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 01:40:22 PM
And what states and cities are having the majority of the problems?

Why do you ignore the truth, the truth that these are all failed leftist strongholds. These people are appointed by the left, they're trained by the left, they have to enforce laws in the most corrupt cities in the Nation.
Then when something goes wrong they instantly blame the police? How about you actually look at the root of the problem, failed leftist social programs that created the blight.

Racism is the root. That's why I've been saying that Mr. Floyd's death was good because it has started a movement it seems to deal with it.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:43:27 PM
Racism is the root. That's why I've been saying that Mr. Floyd's death was good because it has started a movement it seems to deal with it.

Now we're getting somewhere...
And which party perpetrates racial issues?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:43:27 PM
Racism is the root. That's why I've been saying that Mr. Floyd's death was good because it has started a movement it seems to deal with it.

Was Mr. Floyd's death the result of racism or bad training?

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 01:48:10 PM
Was Mr. Floyd's death the result of racism or bad training?

Does it have to be one or the other?

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
Now we're getting somewhere...
And which party perpetrates racial issues?

Racism isn't exclusive to political party. But it appears that both are trying to help now.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Does it have to be one or the other?

I am asking what caused his death, you insinuated it was cause by racism, is that true?

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 01:47:29 PM
Now we're getting somewhere...
And which party perpetrates racial issues?

Obummer amplified whatever racism was there and the demonrat party continues to feed the fire. The demonrat party is backing the racist terrorists BLM. The demonrat party is and has always been the racist party and uses it to control it's braindead sheeple. Idiots like Joe the lying Troll are too stupid to see it .

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
I am asking what caused his death, you insinuated it was cause by racism, is that true?

I said that his death started a movement to deal with racism. Is that not what we've seen?

Even to the point where pro-sports teams are changing their logos?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:56:57 PM
I said that his death started a movement to deal with racism. Is that not what we've seen?

Even to the point where pro-sports teams are changing their logos?

I see where his death caused a lot of looting and rioting and destroying peoples lives, is that how you deal with racism?

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
I see where his death caused a lot of looting and rioting and destroying peoples lives, is that how you deal with racism?

It's one way to draw attention to an issue. Congress and even states (changing flags, removing confederate symbols) seem to have taken notice.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 02:14:01 PM
It's one way to draw attention to an issue. Congress and even states (changing flags, removing confederate symbols) seem to have taken notice.

Do you think looting and burning down buildings will change someone's mind? Why would they loot and burn in their own neighborhood, are they racist?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 02:14:01 PM
It's one way to draw attention to an issue. Congress and even states (changing flags, removing confederate symbols) seem to have taken notice.

yeah...we're taking notice.   Let's see how you like it in the long run.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 02:22:26 PM
Do you think looting and burning down buildings will change someone's mind? Why would they loot and burn in their own neighborhood, are they racist?

I don't know if it will. I don't know that they were. But go on...what point are you trying to make?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 02:27:24 PM
I don't know if it will. I don't know that they were. But go on...what point are you trying to make?

Don't know if burning and looting will change anyone's mind? Do you think looting is the best way to fight racism? Why does the looting happen where liberals are running the cities? Why can the liberals not clean up their own problems???

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 02:31:24 PM
Don't know if burning and looting will change anyone's mind? Do you think looting is the best way to fight racism? Why does the looting happen where liberals are running the cities? Why can the liberals not clean up their own problems???

I'm waiting for you to get to the point...

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 02:34:02 PM
I'm waiting for you to get to the point...

Why can the liberals not clean up their mess? Why so much brutality in liberal cities? Why do they need the federal government to show them how to do it? They have been running these cities for years. I'm guessing you asking "get to the point" is just another way of saying you do not have a clue.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 01:48:10 PM
Was Mr. Floyd's death the result of racism or bad training?

Personal actions.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 02:39:03 PM
Why can the liberals not clean up their mess? Why so much brutality in liberal cities? Why do they need the federal government to show them how to do it? They have been running these cities for years. I'm guessing you asking "get to the point" is just another way of saying you do not have a clue.

No no...I want you to get to the point because I'm not going to answer random questions.

If you were really cared about those things you would look them up, explain why you think they're so, and actually make a point.

Or is it that you don't know?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 05, 2020, 02:45:35 PM
Personal actions.

x1

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 02:45:51 PM
No no...I want you to get to the point because I'm not going to answer random questions.

If you were really cared about those things you would look them up, explain why you think they're so, and actually make a point.

Or is it that you don't know?

The point is you're too stupid to understand what is going on and can't answer a simple question. Your BS is asinine Joe the lying Troll. If you had the intelligence you were born with you would realize every time you post it just shows how arrogant and stupid you are. You should have an adult explain this stuff to you kid.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 02:45:51 PM
No no...I want you to get to the point because I'm not going to answer random questions.

If you were really cared about those things you would look them up, explain why you think they're so, and actually make a point.

Or is it that you don't know?

They are not random. I am asking your opinion on them. I guessing if these brutalities happened in a conservative city, people would say the conservatives were to blame, that this is what they teach. If you don't like the discussion, don't answer back, pretty simple ain't it.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 02:59:11 PM
They are not random. I am asking your opinion on them. I guessing if these brutalities happened in a conservative city, people would say the conservatives were to blame, that this is what they teach. If you don't like the discussion, don't answer back, pretty simple ain't it.

Ah, so the point that you were trying to make was is that you think there's a double standard in how the media would have covered these cases of bad policing?

I don't know if that would be the case.

The good thing is that if Congress can agree on this legislation, conservative, as well as liberal areas will be covered.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
Ah, so the point that you were trying to make was is that you think there's a double standard in how the media would have covered these cases of bad policing?

I don't know if that would be the case.

The good thing is that if Congress can agree on this legislation, conservative, as well as liberal areas will be covered.

Congress will not agree on the utopian BS that the demonrats are trying to push Joe the lying Troll. The conservatives understand it would destroy the country. Proof of that is in every city and state run by the demonrat party that sheeple like you live in.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
Ah, so the point that you were trying to make was is that you think there's a double standard in how the media would have covered these cases of bad policing?

I don't know if that would be the case.

The good thing is that if Congress can agree on this legislation, conservative, as well as liberal areas will be covered.

I wasn't even talking about the media. I can make up my own mind if looting and burning are the right way to get problems solved. They are not. You can not justify destroying other people property. I am not sure you agree. I asked you this question


"I see where his death caused a lot of looting and rioting and destroying peoples lives, is that how you deal with racism?"

Here is how you responded

"It's one way to draw attention to an issue."

So if I have an disagreement, can I burn your house down?
If I do not like the load music coming from your house, can I burn your house down?
People's lives are being destroyed and all you can say is "It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
These people who have had their lives destroyed were the neighbors of many of these looters, and what do we hear? "It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
This attitude is the EXACT reason all the rioting occurs in liberal run hell holes. Liberals have no morals. Your answer was exactly what I expect from a liberal.

Now Joe, do you get my point?

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 03:59:48 PM
I wasn't even talking about the media. I can make up my own mind if looting and burning are the right way to get problems solved. They are not. You can not justify destroying other people property. I am not sure you agree. I asked you this question


"I see where his death caused a lot of looting and rioting and destroying peoples lives, is that how you deal with racism?"

Here is how you responded

"It's one way to draw attention to an issue."

So if I have an disagreement, can I burn your house down?
If I do not like the load music coming from your house, can I burn your house down?
People's lives are being destroyed and all you can say is "It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
These people who have had their lives destroyed were the neighbors of many of these looters, and what do we hear? "It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
This attitude is the EXACT reason all the rioting occurs in liberal run hell holes. Liberal have no morals. Your answer was exactly what I expect from a liberal.

Now Joe, do you get my point?

Maybe you should burn his house down. He still wouldn't understand but he might FEEL the pain of others. You can't try to appeal to his intelligence because he doesn't have any.
By the way Possum your point was perfectly clear from the beginning.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on July 05, 2020, 04:08:42 PM
Maybe you should burn his house down. He still wouldn't understand but he might FEEL the pain of others. You can't try to appeal to his intelligence because he doesn't have any.
By the way Possum your point was perfectly clear from the beginning.

Thanks. My head hurts from beating it against the wall.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 03:59:48 PM
I wasn't even talking about the media. I can make up my own mind if looting and burning are the right way to get problems solved. They are not. You can not justify destroying other people property. I am not sure you agree. I asked you this question


"I see where his death caused a lot of looting and rioting and destroying peoples lives, is that how you deal with racism?"

Here is how you responded

"It's one way to draw attention to an issue."

So if I have an disagreement, can I burn your house down?
If I do not like the load music coming from your house, can I burn your house down?
People's lives are being destroyed and all you can say is "It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
These people who have had their lives destroyed were the neighbors of many of these looters, and what do we hear? "It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
This attitude is the EXACT reason all the rioting occurs in liberal run hell holes. Liberal have no morals. Your answer was exactly what I expect from a liberal.

Now Joe, do you get my point?

So your point is that looting is bad and not how you deal with racism? I agree.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 04:10:28 PM
So your point is that looting is bad and not how you deal with racism? I agree.

You just have proven my point Joe the lying Troll.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 04:10:28 PM
So your point is that looting is bad and not how you deal with racism? I agree.

Maybe you need to read it again.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 04:20:33 PM
Maybe you need to read it again.

Maybe I don't get it...

That's fine.

You want to summarize your overall thoughts on Slavery & America for the reading public?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 04:28:37 PM
Maybe I don't get it...

That's fine.

You want to summarize your overall thoughts on Slavery & America for the reading public?

Joe:  Do you believe we have a great foundation which to continue building this country on? 

Quote from: Frenchconnection on July 05, 2020, 04:34:11 PM
Joe:  Do you believe we have a great foundation which to continue building this country on?

Yes. We must continue our great progress. I've said that a few times in this thread.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 04:35:35 PM
Yes. We must continue our great progress. I've said that a few times in this thread.

He means before you guys started destroying public property, vandalizing, looting, attacking cops, burning businesses, taking over city blocks and setting up lawless zones in the name of ....George Kirby......that's what he means Joe.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:51:22 PM
Racism isn't exclusive to political party. But it appears that both are trying to help now.

YES IT IS!!! The DNC Owns racism!! It is their history they're trying to erase by allowing BLM a Marxist movement free rein to run rampant in Blue cities, while destroying statues!
How is that not exclusive to one party?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 05, 2020, 02:45:35 PM
Personal actions.

Agree!!! :thumbup:

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 04:28:37 PM
Maybe I don't get it...

That's fine.

You want to summarize your overall thoughts on Slavery & America for the reading public?

Joe, when Floyd was murdered, for once the nation was united. Everyone knew what happened was wrong and justice would prevail, the guilty would be punished. If there was ever the opportunity to bring people together as AMERICANS that was it.
That was not allowed to happen. For anyone, to be part of this great nation, they must believe in the justice system, that did not happen. We do not need gangs of citizens to destroy at will before even giving our system a chance to work. You have claimed ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." THAT is one wrong answer. Looting, and rioting get other people killed, property and lives ruined, it is NOT ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." Rioting and looting divide this country, they do not bring it together, doubt me, gun sales set a new record last month, people are scared. Where as the citizens of this great nation were backing our system to see justice done, now many want to see the looters arrested and jailed. As for Floyd, unfortunately he is now an afterthought. Instead of the focus being on him and justice served, we are focused on the crime wave that only liberals can support because ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
  Either we are a nation of laws or everyone will be free to break them. You can not justify all the crime that is now taking place with ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." without opening up yourself to the next person who does not agree with you. Is it perfect, nothing is, but acts of violence against innocent people will not bring about justice. Why is the rioting in liberal cities, because they believe like you, ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue.". Never mind all the lives destroyed, after all ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." Well, it don't work. The same police departments the liberals are hell bent to destroy, are the same ones needed if justice in the Floyd case is to be served, the same ones the liberal mayors and councilmen have to count on to protect them. The same ones you would call if someone is trying to harm your loved ones.

Now Joe do you get it. Your answer "It's one way to draw attention to an issue." is part of the problem, your way of thinking can never be part of the solution. 

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 04:43:03 PM
YES IT IS!!! The DNC Owns racism!! It is their history they're trying to erase by allowing BLM a Marxist movement free rein to run rampant in Blue cities, while destroying statues!
How is that not exclusive to one party?

You sound ridiculous about the statues. The overwhelmingly Republican voters of the South are the ones who claim that those statues are their personal heritage.

Democrats have a racist history. Racism is bad. Racism isn't bound by party.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 05:00:17 PM
You sound ridiculous about the statues. The overwhelmingly Republican voters of the South are the ones who claim that those statues are their personal heritage.

Wrong Joe, all statues belong to this great Nation, Pubs are trying to preserve history, the DNC wants to erase it. Are you denying this truth?

QuoteDemocrats have a racist history. Racism is bad. Racism isn't bound by party.

LOL! In one breath you admit the DNC is racist, then obfuscate by claiming it isn't exclusive to one party.
I suggest you study history, it doesn't lie!

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 04:58:50 PM
Joe, when Floyd was murdered, for once the nation was united. Everyone knew what happened was wrong and justice would prevail, the guilty would be punished. If there was ever the opportunity to bring people together as AMERICANS that was it.
That was not allowed to happen. For anyone, to be part of this great nation, they must believe in the justice system, that did not happen. We do not need gangs of citizens to destroy at will before even giving our system a chance to work. You have claimed ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." THAT is one wrong answer. Looting, and rioting get other people killed, property and lives ruined, it is NOT ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." Rioting and looting divide this country, they do not bring it together, doubt me, gun sales set a new record last month, people are scared. Where as the citizens of this great nation were backing our system to see justice done, now many want to see the looters arrested and jailed. As for Floyd, unfortunately he is now an afterthought. Instead of the focus being on him and justice served, we are focused on the crime wave that only liberals can support because ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue."
  Either we are a nation of laws or everyone will be free to break them. You can not justify all the crime that is now taking place with ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." without opening up yourself to the next person who does not agree with you. Is it perfect, nothing is, but acts of violence against innocent people will not bring about justice. Why is the rioting in liberal cities, because they believe like you, ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue.". Never mind all the lives destroyed, after all ""It's one way to draw attention to an issue." Well, it don't work. The same police departments the liberals are hell bent to destroy, are the same ones needed if justice in the Floyd case is to be served, the same ones the liberal mayors and councilmen have to count on to protect them. The same ones you would call if someone is trying to harm your loved ones.

Now Joe do you get it. Your answer "It's one way to draw attention to an issue." is part of the problem, your way of thinking can never be part of the solution.

That may be your opinion and mine, but it certainly is a way to draw attention to an issue.

When the Sons of Liberty threw that cargo overboard, it was certainly a way to draw attention to an issue.

The fact is, there was truly, minimal looting and rioting given the THOUSANDS of protests, with MILLIONS of people we've had over the last few months.

Here are the ones from this weekend:

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1279537439376379905

The movement continues...

You can back the system to see justice done AND want to see the looters jailed and arrested. There isn't a contradiction there.

The nation is still united for Justice. Be that against the bad police officers, or the looters.

Mr. Floyd's murder is certainly still important because our current political climate is shaped by it. This election is about the social unrest since Mr. Floyd was killed and the Pandemic. Those are the big stories.

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 05:05:10 PM
Wrong Joe, all statues belong to this great Nation, Pubs are trying to preserve history, the DNC wants to erase it. Are you denying this truth?


LOL! In one breath you admit the DNC is racist, then obfuscate by claiming it isn't exclusive to one party.
I suggest you study history, it doesn't lie!

The history will can be preserved in a museum. We're not throwing them in the trash.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 05:16:38 PM
That may be your opinion and mine, but it certainly is a way to draw attention to an issue.

Joe, when you used that answer you used it as a way to justify the action. The same old " the end justifies the means" crap that you liberals like to use. It don't work. People were killed, and you are trying to justify that by saying it was not that bad considering. Property and lives ruined but "it was not that bad considering. You will not change, your too damn liberal. And no, we do NOT have the same opinion on this matter, I can see NO justification for committing the crime wave that has happened, even if it did draw attention to an issue. Hell Joe, the American public was already draw to the "issue" and were united on justice being served. But the American people are not united and are not backing the criminals that are now tearing down parts of this country. That is not how you solve a problem.

Not even going to ask if you get it now, because you don't and never will.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 05:25:00 PM
The history will can be preserved in a museum. We're not throwing them in the trash.

Yes, you guys are. You guys are destroying those statues, which is basically throwing them in the trash.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 05:32:45 PM
Joe, when you used that answer you used it as a way to justify the action. The same old " the end justifies the means" crap that you liberals like to use. It don't work. People were killed, and you are trying to justify that by saying it was not that bad considering. Property and lives ruined but "it was not that bad considering. You will not change, your too damn liberal. And no, we do NOT have the same opinion on this matter, I can see NO justification for committing the crime wave that has happened, even if it did draw attention to an issue. Hell Joe, the American public was already draw to the "issue" and were united on justice being served. But the American people are not united and are not backing the criminals that are now tearing down parts of this country. That is not how you solve a problem.

Not even going to ask if you get it now, because you don't and never will.

Libs are the epitome of cognitive dissonance. They know it's wrong, but they refuse to acknowledge it.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 05:32:45 PM
Joe, when you used that answer you used it as a way to justify the action. The same old " the end justifies the means" crap that you liberals like to use. It don't work. People were killed, and you are trying to justify that by saying it was not that bad considering. Property and lives ruined but "it was not that bad considering. You will not change, your too damn liberal. And no, we do NOT have the same opinion on this matter, I can see NO justification for committing the crime wave that has happened, even if it did draw attention to an issue. Hell Joe, the American public was already draw to the "issue" and were united on justice being served. But the American people are not united and are not backing the criminals that are now tearing down parts of this country. That is not how you solve a problem.

Not even going to ask if you get it now, because you don't and never will.

You really love to disagree with me for no reason. I agree with you.

But I'm not naive. You can't expect everyone in the world to react to everything in the world the same way you would. I don't.

When a Black family moved to an all white suburb, not everyone treated them right.

(https://erenow.net/modern/color-of-law-forgotten-history/color-of-law-forgotten-history.files/image019.jpg)
https://erenow.net/modern/color-of-law-forgotten-history/10.php

As a matter of fact, many treated them poorly and threatened them. But it's expected that people will react differently.

What we hope is that Justice prevails in the end. Be that looters going to jail (many have), or terrorist neighbors going to jail(none did).

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 05:42:47 PM
You really love to disagree with me for no reason. I agree with you.

But I'm not naive. You can't expect everyone in the world to react to everything in the world the same way you would. I don't.

When a Black family moved to an all white suburb, no Democrat treated them right.

FIFY

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 05:25:00 PM
The history will can be preserved in a museum. We're not throwing them in the trash.

No, they bust them up, throw some in rivers, others abused with acid and spray paint. Is that "Trashing" them? You are one odd person!

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 06:09:38 PM
No, they bust them up, throw some in rivers, others abused with acid and spray paint. Is that "Trashing" them? You are one odd person!

I wonder if he's related to Greta Thornburg?

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 06:09:38 PM
No, they bust them up, throw some in rivers, others abused with acid and spray paint. Is that "Trashing" them? You are one odd person!

That's what vandals do. I was talking about our local governments removing them, i.e. Jacksonville, New Orleans, Nortfolk, etc.

There's no freakin' slavery in America today and hasn't been for over 150 years.   YOU FOOLS.   You won't mention anything about the slavery that goes on in the Islamic world and Africa.   THAT"s where people are being sold in slave markets...they're tortured, starved...even CRUCIFIED, raped, murdered.   YOU Leftist IDIOTS, YOU LEFTIST IGNORAMUSES,  YOU LEFTIST HYPOCRITES.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/black_lives_matter_protests_claim_two_more_lives_over_the_weekend.html

QuoteIf Mayor Bottoms cherished hopes of becoming Biden's Veep pick, she had better put those hopes in a memory box and put the box in the back of her closet. Her policies giving license to the activists have been disastrous for Atlanta, something else that the Times avoids covering.

I can not imagine the pain her parents are going thru, her father said it best, ""They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own... You killed a child."
 

  Again, even if the riots bring attention to a issue, which was already all over the news, had already united the American public against the crime, more hate and violence and destruction will not bring about unity, or peace, or justice. To think otherwise is just lying to yourself and others. Wake up liberals, people are dying out there.

Quote from: Possum on July 06, 2020, 04:09:56 AM
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/black_lives_matter_protests_claim_two_more_lives_over_the_weekend.html

I can not imagine the pain her parents are going thru, her father said it best, ""They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own... You killed a child."
 

  Again, even if the riots bring attention to a issue, which was already all over the news, had already united the American public against the crime, more hate and violence and destruction will not bring about unity, or peace, or justice. To think otherwise is just lying to yourself and others. Wake up liberals, people are dying out there.

I disagree on the justice. The threat of social unrest to that scale can cause government action in order to avoid it.

Maybe if there were riots and looting for Breonna Taylor, her killers would be in jail or charged.

Maybe the threat of the riots is what made Minnesota hold Floyd's killers to some account so quickly.

Riots are not good. But you can't act as if the threat of violence doesn't make people act.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 01:40:49 PM
What is: "it"? And do you have a database or list of places where "it" is happening?

Let me make it easier for you. Tell us the GOP run cities with these issues.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 04:22:17 AM
I disagree on the justice. The threat of social unrest to that scale can cause government action in order to avoid it.

Maybe if there were riots and looting for Breonna Taylor, her killers would be in jail or charged.

Maybe the threat of the riots is what made Minnesota hold Floyd's killers to some account so quickly.

Riots are not good. But you can't act as if the threat of violence doesn't make people act.

Joe, your justification of the violence is sicking. Maybe you can convince yourself on the great benefits of the violence that uncontrolled riots cause, but decent law abiding citizens, the ones who build this country not tear it down will never agree with you. Your justification of the violence is just copying the talking points of the damn liberals who are in favor of the destruction if it gets Trump out of office.
  This was an innocent child, eight years old. Your whole damn statement is exactly what is wrong with this country.
  It was never the threat of violence that made the American people see what happened to Floyd was wrong, it was their decency and morals that made them see it was wrong, something you with your liberal brand and all liberals will never understand.
The killers of this little girl will be brought to justice, and not because of the threat of more violence as you suggest but because this is a nation of laws, a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values, something else you will never understand because morals are the natural enemy of the liberal way of thinking.
Joe, you have no social redeeming values if you can see any good coming out of the killing of a child. I pity you.

 

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 05, 2020, 06:20:23 PM
I wonder if he's related to Greta Thornburg?

Yeah, the smart one in the family? :lol:

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2020, 04:35:29 AM
Let me make it easier for you. Tell us the GOP run cities with these issues.

What do you mean "these" issues?

What issues specifically do you think are limited to, what I suppose you mean, cities with Democratic mayors?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 08:10:51 PM
That's what vandals do. I was talking about our local governments removing them, i.e. Jacksonville, New Orleans, Nortfolk, etc.

Which in it's own right is still vandalism. These statues honor the memory and passions of the day. They stand as testament to the past so people will question the past, good and bad, they are our history, the entire Nations history.
Now do you get why the DNC wants them removed?

Quote from: Possum on July 06, 2020, 04:42:04 AM
Joe, your justification of the violence is sicking. Maybe you can convince yourself on the great benefits of the violence that uncontrolled riots cause, but decent law abiding citizens, the ones who build this country not tear it down will never agree with you. Your justification of the violence is just copying the talking points of the damn liberals who are in favor of the destruction if it gets Trump out of office.
  This was an innocent child, eight years old. Your whole damn statement is exactly what is wrong with this country.
  It was never the threat of violence that made the American people see what happened to Floyd was wrong, it was their decency and morals that made them see it was wrong, something you with your liberal brand and all liberals will never understand.
The killers of this little girl will be brought to justice, and not because of the threat of more violence as you suggest but because this is a nation of laws, a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values, something else you will never understand because morals are the natural enemy of the liberal way of thinking.
Joe, you have no social redeeming values if you can see any good coming out of the killing of a child. I pity you.

Again, it was riots and violence that helped create America. It was violence that helped free the Slaves. It was riots and violence that drove Blacks out of the South. It was riots and violence that helped get Civil Rights Legislation passed.

We agree that violence and riots are bad. In a perfect world, Justice would have already prevailed. But we don't live in a perfect world.

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2020, 04:53:02 AM
Which in it's own right is still vandalism. These statues honor the memory and passions of the day. They stand as testament to the past so people will question the past, good and bad, they are our history, the entire Nations history.
Now do you get why the DNC wants them removed?

Except that those statues were put up nearly 100 years later to celebrate the traitorous Confederates to went to war with America.

They can be removed and we can continue to teach the history. We've learned all about the Civil War w/o having a Confederate statue in our town.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2020, 04:35:29 AM
Let me make it easier for you. Tell us the GOP run cities with these issues.

He refuses to make the connection because he'd have to admit the systemic racism in the DNC party.

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2020, 05:04:17 AM
He refuses to make the connection because he'd have to admit the systemic racism in the DNC party.

Democrats own racism. But it's not exclusive to them.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 04:48:55 AM
What do you mean "these" issues?

What issues specifically do you think are limited to, what I suppose you mean, cities with Democratic mayors?

Stop it troll. You know exactly what we are discussing and you are just dodging. You are fortunate Solar still allows you to troll.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 04:58:33 AM
Again, it was riots and violence that helped create America. It was violence that helped free the Slaves. It was riots and violence that drove Blacks out of the South. It was riots and violence that helped get Civil Rights Legislation passed.

We agree that violence and riots are bad. In a perfect world, Justice would have already prevailed. But we don't live in a perfect world.

Only a very sick person can compare the violence against innocent people by antifa and blm, the killing of children to the American revolution. Joe, you are that sick person.

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2020, 05:04:17 AM
He refuses to make the connection because he'd have to admit the systemic racism in the DNC party.

He is like a little child who resorts to "what did you mean" in the middle of the conversation.  :lol: :lol:

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 05:06:01 AM
Democrats own racism. But it's not exclusive to them.

Really? Then show me one shit hole GOP state suffering the riots as the DNC run states.

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2020, 05:27:35 AM
Really? Then show me one shit hole GOP state suffering the riots as the DNC run states.

Are you insinuating that there is no racism in States with a GOP Governor?

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2020, 05:13:40 AM
Stop it troll. You know exactly what we are discussing and you are just dodging. You are fortunate Solar still allows you to troll.

Time and time again I've misunderstood where posters are coming from or leading me with the questions. So I ask for clarity.

Just a few posts up, Solar was talking about protestors destroying statues and I thought we were talking about local governments doing it.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 05:45:46 AM
Are you insinuating that there is no racism in States with a GOP Governor?

I'm saying, prove the blatant racism the DNC shows to the world. You can't because Conservatives are by nature, inclusive!!!
You've been here how long and haven't noticed this yet?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 05:45:52 AM
Time and time again I've misunderstood where posters are coming from or leading me with the questions. So I ask for clarity.

Just a few posts up, Solar was talking about protestors destroying statues and I thought we were talking about local governments doing it.

Playing stupid is not much of a defense. How is it everyone else can understand what is being talked about but you?

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2020, 05:48:36 AM
I'm saying, prove the blatant racism the DNC shows to the world. You can't because Conservatives are by nature, inclusive!!!
You've been here how long and haven't noticed this yet?

This isn't stormfront. I've never accused anyone here of being racist. I've never accused the GOP or the Dems of it either. Racism doesn't care about political party.

If you want to focus on party, you may, and I'll acknowledge when someone of a party does something racist. But neither the Dems of the GOP have racist party platforms.

You're so caught up in your political identity that you'd rather argue about the Parties then actually fight the racism.

Quote from: Possum on July 06, 2020, 06:00:40 AM
Playing stupid is not much of a defense. How is it everyone else can understand what is being talked about but you?

I don't know that everyone can. But I can't. And if we're conversing, and I ask for clarification on a question I'm asked, it'd be nice to receive it so that I can answer and we can move forward with our conversation.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 06:00:45 AM
This isn't stormfront. I've never accused anyone here of being racist. I've never accused the GOP or the Dems of it either. Racism doesn't care about political party.

If you want to focus on party, you may, and I'll acknowledge when someone of a party does something racist. But neither the Dems of the GOP have racist party platforms.

You're so caught up in your political identity that you'd rather argue about the Parties then actually fight the racism.

You're an Idiot! I never said you claimed we were racist, I simply explained, that the Far Right of the party is the Conservative base, and this base does not see color, race or ethnicity, we see like minded individuals who share the Founding ideals of this great nation!

It is the left who wants to destroy, while the Right wants to preserve our heritage. Now which party is using race to achieve said goals?

I am new here but I would like to ask Joe if the violence in Chicago is moving the nation forward or is that violence okay because it is black on black. If it is not okay then. What is all the violence in Chicago proving. If you over look the killing of blacks by blacks and blacks on white and only demonstrate and riot when there is a white on black then you contribute to the devision of the country. Don't get me wrong I think what happened to George Floyd was wrong.

Quote from: DeeDee on July 06, 2020, 08:44:40 AM
I am new here but I would like to ask Joe if the violence in Chicago is moving the nation forward or is that violence okay because it is black on black. If it is not okay then. What is all the violence in Chicago proving. If you over look the killing of blacks by blacks and blacks on white and only demonstrate and riot when there is a white on black then you contribute to the devision of the country. Don't get me wrong I think what happened to George Floyd was wrong.

Joe is taking a 3 day nap for playing games rather than participating in honest debate.

Though Joe already answered your query. He claimed riots, looting and destroying DNC history was opening dialogue, or something to that effect. Yeah, he's a troll, but we keep him around so everyone can see just how racist the left truly is.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 06, 2020, 06:00:45 AM
This isn't stormfront. I've never accused anyone here of being racist. I've never accused the GOP or the Dems of it either. Racism doesn't care about political party.

If you want to focus on party, you may, and I'll acknowledge when someone of a party does something racist. But neither the Dems of the GOP have racist party platforms.

You're so caught up in your political identity that you'd rather argue about the Parties then actually fight the racism.

There'd probably not be an issue with racism if the democrats would stop pushing the idea. The Kenyan Prince set race relations back decades.  He knew what  he was doing.

Quote from: DeeDee on July 06, 2020, 08:44:40 AM
I am new here but I would like to ask Joe if the violence in Chicago is moving the nation forward or is that violence okay because it is black on black. If it is not okay then. What is all the violence in Chicago proving. If you over look the killing of blacks by blacks and blacks on white and only demonstrate and riot when there is a white on black then you contribute to the devision of the country. Don't get me wrong I think what happened to George Floyd was wrong.

Welcome to the forum. If and when Joe comes back you will fond he does not answer questions.