Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
Not anymore, no. Many of those people who voted for socially conservative Democrats vote for socially conservative Republicans now.

What kind of a ignorant statement is that? Are you just making this s*** up as you go along? You can't just be saying stupid stuff and expect people to believe it and where's your proof?

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 02, 2020, 05:22:23 PM
come on now...you can admit it here..   It's not justice that is sought.  It's reparations, revenge, dropping the constitution and redoing it to accommodate those that believe they've been harmed in some way...even though 100% of them have  never been slaves and 100% have never owned slaves.    Rules are only for some people, not others...and if Joe Biden is elected, there's gonna be a cleansing of white conservatives/Christians...and I think you know that.   If you're interested in justice then ALL lives should matter.  If you're interested in justice then unborn and about to be born black babies should not be on the chopping block.  hmm?   If youj're interested in justice then the truth would have been told loud and clear now about Trayvon martin, Michael Brown and all the other young hoodlums that got themselves killed.    If you were interested in justice you wouldn't stand by as conservatives are cancelled on social media and university campuses.

So...are you asking if I'm interested in Justice? The answer is yes. And like I've said, I'm glad that we, as a nation, are moving more in that direction.

It's been a long road, but I think we might see the end of it in our lifetimes. I remember when we never thought we'd see a Black president. I remember when public opinion was agaisnt "Black Lives Matter", I remember when you couldn't be gay on TV, I remember when women weren't expected to have jobs.

Things are getting better. And for Blacks, it seems that things have accelerated. That is good.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
Not anymore, no. Many of those people who voted for socially conservative Democrats vote for socially conservative Republicans now.

We can't change who we've been as a nation. But we can steer our future in a more Just direction together. The proposal to make Juneteenth a Federal holiday is a nice token from the GOP. Hopefully both parties can continue to build on the positive energy since Mr. Floyd's death.

Pure BS! They have one, the Civil war is their monument of Freedom and celebration, they riot and loot and they keep tearing them down,, they have it better in this country than any place on earth.
This is not and never has been about oppression, this is about erasing DNC history and dividing Americans along race lines. How can you not see this?
Look back over the last 40 years, the left has made everything under the sun politically divisive. Are you really so brain-dead that you can't see it?

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:07:10 PM

We can't change who we've been as a nation. But we can steer our future in a more Just direction together. The proposal to make Juneteenth a Federal holiday is a nice token from the GOP. Hopefully both parties can continue to build on the positive energy since Mr. Floyd's death.

Why would we want to change what we've been as a nation? In your opinion what have we been that needs changing. Are you talking about Democrats here?

And just what are you talkin about positive energy? Are you talking about the destruction that the riots have caused is that what you call positive energy.

If you want to communicate and be understood quit talking in such generalities and be specific about what the hell you mean because nobody knows what you're talking about

What do you mean by more just Direction? More just according to who?

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 05:25:38 PM
What kind of a ignorant statement is that? Are you just making this s*** up as you go along? You can't just be saying stupid stuff and expect people to believe it and where's your proof?

Just look at the way southern conservatives switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican.

It's no coincidence that Cali switched from voting Republican to voting Democrat too.

But that's a digression. The great thing is that even in the South, the tides are changing and statues, flags, and policing methods are being updated.

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:39:19 PM

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

What an ignorant statement!
We did, we sacrificed thousands of lives to end it, and the day the war ended, was the day we reconciled our past mistakes!

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:39:19 PM
Just look at the way southern conservatives switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican.

It's no coincidence that Cali switched from voting Republican to voting Democrat too.

But that's a digression. The great thing is that even in the South, the tides are changing and statues, flags, and policing methods are being updated.

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

Joe, I'm not interested in your opinion. When you get some facts that you can reference try again. I don't believe anything you just posted not for a minute

And just for your information I don't need to reconcile my past about slavery because never in my life have I owned a Slave.
If you feel you have to reconcile for slavery be my guest but don't try to include me in your bullshit cuz I have nothing to reconcile for

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
Why would we want to change what we've been as a nation? In your opinion what have we been that needs changing. Are you talking about Democrats here?

And just what are you talkin about positive energy? Are you talking about the destruction that the riots have caused is that what you call positive energy.

If you want to communicate and be understood quit talking in such generalities and be specific about what the hell you mean because nobody knows what you're talking about

What do you mean by more just Direction? More just according to who?

We can't change who we've been. It is what it is. We can only reconcile with our original sin of Slavery. Which we're still doing, and I'm encouraging.

And I'm referring to positive legislative energy. It seems that both parties want to do things to progress., i.e. Police Reform.

Just according to us. Americans. Our principals. That All Men Are Created Equal and that this is the Land of Opportunity and that we can pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness

Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
Joe, I'm not interested in your opinion. When you get some facts that you can reference try again. I don't believe anything you just posted not for a minute

And just for your information I don't need to reconcile my past about slavery because never in my life have I owned a Slave.
If you feel you have to reconcile for slavery be my guest but don't try to include me in your bullshit cuz I have nothing to reconcile for

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
We can't change who we've been. It is what it is. We can only reconcile with our original sin of Slavery. Which we're still doing, and I'm encouraging.

And I'm referring to positive legislative energy. It seems that both parties want to do things to progress., i.e. Police Reform.

Just according to us. Americans. Our principals. That All Men Are Created Equal and that this is the Land of Opportunity and that we can pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness

That's complete BS from Joe the lying Troll. There was no original sin of slavery. You can't judge history on today's standards. I haven't owned any slaves and noone in my lifetime ever knew anyone that knew anyone that knew anyone who has owned slaves. Fuck you Joe the lying Troll.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:39:19 PM
Just look at the way southern conservatives switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican.

It's no coincidence that Cali switched from voting Republican to voting Democrat too.

But that's a digression. The great thing is that even in the South, the tides are changing and statues, flags, and policing methods are being updated.

We are reconciling with our past of Slavery in America

you can kiss southern ass boy.   Destroying your history is not moving forward..it is moving backward. Giving up our sovereignty to be like everyone else.   I don't want to be like everyone else.  I want one set of laws good enough for everyone.      I want black men to stop being disrespectful of the law and causing their own problems and blaming the police when they caused the escalation.  I want black and white women to stop running their ugly mouths and using the race card to get their way when THEY BROKE THE LAW.  ONE set of laws...remember.   

and just who the hell bud do you want dispensing justice?  Islamists in Minneapolis??  Antifa?  BLM??   We have a justice system.  STOP MESSING WITH IT.       You want to send social workers out of domestic violence calls??  well good luck wit dat.      WHAT is your method of justice......this is gonna be interesting

and deadly.

You talking all sweetness and light and like people are gonna be better when the police are gone and your side is dispensing justice.    Oh yeah.  I bet you can't wait for that.     it's all sweetness and light...and then the screaming and the shooting starts.

And you conservatives thought you'd never see THIS in your lifetimes.  This election is deadly serious.  These people CAN NOT be given any power...>They will kill us.

Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 02, 2020, 06:21:53 PM
you can kiss southern ass boy.   Destroying your history is not moving forward..it is moving backward. Giving up our sovereignty to be like everyone else.   I don't want to be like everyone else.  I want one set of laws good enough for everyone.      I want black men to stop being disrespectful of the law and causing their own problems and blaming the police when they caused the escalation.  I want black and white women to stop running their ugly mouths and using the race card to get their way when THEY BROKE THE LAW.  ONE set of laws...remember.   

and just who the hell bud do you want dispensing justice?  Islamists in Minneapolis??  Antifa?  BLM??   We have a justice system.  STOP MESSING WITH IT.       You want to send social workers out of domestic violence calls??  well good luck wit dat.      WHAT is your method of justice......this is gonna be interesting

and deadly.

You talking all sweetness and light and like people are gonna be better when the police are gone and your side is dispensing justice.    Oh yeah.  I bet you can't wait for that.     it's all sweetness and light...and then the screaming and the shooting starts.

Amen! He won't respond.

Here, in part, are the most blatant Communist achievements listed in that original list of 45 Goals.   Read this group very carefully...these are the most sweeping, revolutionary, devastating and deadly Goals on the list from 1963. 

Here we go...

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

11. Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.



THESE are the key Communist Goals on the list and demonstrate clearly how America has been subverted and torn apart from the inside out.  You can see the entire, original list of 45 down below...a list that was entered into the Congressional Record in 1963.    - Jeff Rense

Comment From Founders' America 

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12-7-2 Jeff...adding a couple of my own numbers...

46. Import anti-white racists from the Third World, via an open-borders policy, then force their integration to divide and conquer white Western civilization in North America.

47. Feminize men and disarm both the citizenry and military; especially disarm white males.

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https://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

be afraid. 

Quote from: Killer Clouds on July 02, 2020, 06:15:13 PM
That's complete BS from Joe the lying Troll. There was no original sin of slavery. You can't judge history on today's standards. I haven't owned any slaves and noone in my lifetime ever knew anyone that knew anyone that knew anyone who has owned slaves. Fuck you Joe the lying Troll.

I don't typically address you because you're disrespectful. But today's your lucky day.

Regarding the bolded, like I said here before, compromise after compromise doomed the Black experience in America.

This is from the original Declaration of Independence:

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.  This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.  Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce.  And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

and why it was removed:

reprobating the enslaving the inhabitants of Africa, was struck out in complaisance to South Carolina & Georgia who had never attempted to restrain the importation of slaves, and who on the contrary still wished to continue it. our Northern brethren also I believe felt a little tender under those censures; for tho' their people have very few slaves themselves yet they had been pretty considerable carriers of them to others.

We knew what we were choosing to do. This was after Slavery had already been abolished in England and Europe.

This response was for other readers. I likely won't address you again unless you're respectful.

Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 06:39:40 PM
I don't typically address you because you're disrespectful. But today's your lucky day.

Regarding the bolded, like I said here before, compromise after compromise doomed the Black experience in America.

This is from the original Declaration of Independence:

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.  This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.  Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce.  And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

and why it was removed:

reprobating the enslaving the inhabitants of Africa, was struck out in complaisance to South Carolina & Georgia who had never attempted to restrain the importation of slaves, and who on the contrary still wished to continue it. our Northern brethren also I believe felt a little tender under those censures; for tho' their people have very few slaves themselves yet they had been pretty considerable carriers of them to others.

We knew what we were choosing to do. This was after Slavery had already been abolished in England and Europe.

This response was for other readers. I likely won't address you again unless you're respectful.

You can kiss my ass. Fuck you and your respect. You don't deserve any respect because your a lying liberal  troll. You've been a troll since your first post and you continue to be a troll. You don't denie it because you know it's true.