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Title: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: garyjones027 on February 26, 2018, 01:08:09 PM
The two party system has failed the USA.  I think USA should be a one party right country so we do not have to worry about liberalism ideology and the dems no more.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: garyjones027 on February 26, 2018, 01:08:09 PM
The two party system has failed the USA.  I think USA should be a one party right country so we do not have to worry about liberalism ideology and the dems no more.
Food for thought: Imagine a true, three party system, where the left is divided by two.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: AndyJackson on February 26, 2018, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: garyjones027 on February 26, 2018, 01:08:09 PM
The two party system has failed the USA.  I think USA should be a one party right country so we do not have to worry about liberalism ideology and the dems no more.
Original liberalism was an acceptable foil to too much political power or unquestionable authority.

But then they went down the path of destroying America, dismantling the constitution, and embracing all the uncontrolled power that they originally helped to temper.  They were taken over by the morbidly stupid who believed every prospective dictator.

Hopefully the liberal party, whatever the name would be, gets restored to reason and lawfulness.

I think the country needs a soft sympathetic party, along with a logical taskmaster party, just like kids need a mom and dad.  Back and forth between those 2 outlooks isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Sauce on February 26, 2018, 01:37:41 PM
heh...I hate to say it but I agree with wackadoo Kasich in that I see a multi-party system happening eventually.

Dems split 2 or 3 ways and conservatives spilt from the GOP.

Not really what I advocate but it seems like that is where we are headed
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2018, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: Sauce on February 26, 2018, 01:37:41 PM
heh...I hate to say it but I agree with wackadoo Kasich in that I see a multi-party system happening eventually.

Dems split 2 or 3 ways and conservatives spilt from the GOP.

Not really what I advocate but it seems like that is where we are headed
I don't see the GOP splitting, I see us, TEA taking it over.
Hell, at least 20 plus RINO are not running for reelection, and it's all because of the Conservative base is sick to death of these leftists.
If, we were to split the party, all the money would go to the GOP because of their crony connections, so we have no choice but to stand and fight.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: garyjones027 on February 26, 2018, 02:21:21 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
Food for thought: Imagine a true, three party system, where the left is divided by two.

This actually exists in Canada: the Liberal Party and the New Democratic Party.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Possum on February 26, 2018, 02:31:52 PM
We already have too many parties to count. They just do not get enough votes to matter and probably never will. About all I ever see them becoming is  spoiler. I believe a one party system is called a dictatorship, which will happen if the liberals could ever get their way.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2018, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: garyjones027 on February 26, 2018, 02:21:21 PM
This actually exists in Canada: the Liberal Party and the New Democratic Party.
What I want to see, is a split between the Marxist Dim party and the moderates, which is technically occurring at the moment, where much of the base moved to the Green party, others to the gOP to vote for Trump, but suffice it to say, the Dim party you see today, is dead and buried.
You can't run a campaign on hate for America, illegals, and division.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 26, 2018, 05:04:13 PM
We have been a one party system for a long time. There is little difference between democrats and republicans.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: walkstall on February 26, 2018, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2018, 05:04:13 PM
We have been a one party system for a long time. There is little difference between democrats and republicans.


Yep!!  Just the letter D and R.  The C (Conservative) are working hard to clean out the RINO's in the R.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 26, 2018, 06:56:16 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 26, 2018, 06:04:55 PM

Yep!!  Just the letter D and R.  The C (Conservative) are working hard to clean out the RINO's in the R.

A sort of free market laxative...
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2018, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2018, 06:56:16 PM
A sort of free market laxative...
Enema with a firehose.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: walkstall on February 26, 2018, 07:22:01 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2018, 06:56:16 PM
A sort of free market laxative...

Don't forget to clean your feet before coming into the house.  You know how mom gets.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 26, 2018, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2018, 07:14:32 PM
Enema with a firehose.

Ooh that'll make your eyes water.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2018, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2018, 07:30:40 PM
Ooh that'll make your eyes water.
And come out your nose as well :biggrin:
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Walter Josh on February 26, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2018, 05:04:13 PM
We have been a one party system for a long time. There is little difference between democrats and republicans.
On the mark.
Ironically our original Conservative Party was the Agrarian Rural Democrats of Rutledge, Jefferson, Madison and Calhoun; unfortunately fatally tarred by slavery and destroyed by the Civil War.
The GOP, starting w/Fremont in 1856 has never, ever been a party of conservative principle; even for a day!
It started as a northern anti-slavery party then morphing w/the mercantile class. As the industrial revolution gathered momentum it became a corporate party where it remains today.
A reflection from the ancients:
Aristotle argued that Monarchy was the best form of government for the development of culture/society; while Plato asserted that a Republic of wise oligarchs was superior.
Now if we could only find either??????
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: SueAnn on February 27, 2018, 12:19:25 AM
Sadly I believe the corruption is so bad is our country we have already become a one party system.  That is why Trump is fighting a losing battle. 
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2018, 03:29:41 AM
Quote from: Walter Josh on February 26, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
On the mark.
Ironically our original Conservative Party was the Agrarian Rural Democrats of Rutledge, Jefferson, Madison and Calhoun; unfortunately fatally tarred by slavery and destroyed by the Civil War.
The GOP, starting w/Fremont in 1856 has never, ever been a party of conservative principle; even for a day!
It started as a northern anti-slavery party then morphing w/the mercantile class. As the industrial revolution gathered momentum it became a corporate party where it remains today.
A reflection from the ancients:
Aristotle argued that Monarchy was the best form of government for the development of culture/society; while Plato asserted that a Republic of wise oligarchs was superior.
Now if we could only find either??????
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Walter Josh on February 27, 2018, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: SueAnn on February 27, 2018, 12:19:25 AM
Sadly I believe the corruption is so bad is our country we have already become a one party system.  That is why Trump is fighting a losing battle.
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Agree, yet believe it's far worse than corruption. Consider the following:
Our first 5 Presidents were; Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
Our last 5 are; Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump.
Now compare and contrast these two lineups.
What does it say about the attributes, behaviors and values a majority of voters accept in our Presidents???

Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: wally on February 27, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: garyjones027 on February 26, 2018, 01:08:09 PM
The two party system has failed the USA.  I think USA should be a one party right country so we do not have to worry about liberalism ideology and the dems no more.
Obama attempted to create a perpetual one party system.

I think if the two party system fails, we are quite more likely to see four parties in the near future.  Each of the two parties are divided between two political wings that have difficulty getting on the same page to get anything done.

I don't like the idea of a one party system for the simple reason that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: supsalemgr on February 27, 2018, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: wally on February 27, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Obama attempted to create a perpetual one party system.

I think if the two party system fails, we are quite more likely to see four parties in the near future.  Each of the two parties are divided between two political wings that have difficulty getting on the same page to get anything done.

I don't like the idea of a one party system for the simple reason that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".


Right on Wally. A one party system is step one to a dictator.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: wally on February 27, 2018, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 27, 2018, 12:38:36 PM
Right on Wally. A one party system is step one to a dictator.
Obama attempted to do what Nixon had attempted to do.  This can't be done legally.  There are far too many checks and balances.  It is pretty scary though, how close Obama and Hillary came with the assistance of such powerful forces as the media, Hollywood (movies and tv's are chocked full of their Leftist crap) and the swamp creatures of the Deep State.

Someone mouthing the words of any political ideology doesn't mean that they can be trusted with complete unchallenged power.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Walter Josh on February 27, 2018, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 27, 2018, 12:38:36 PM
Right on Wally. A one party system is step one to a dictator.
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Indeed it's what the Chinese People are about to experience, yet again.
Given their history of despotic Emperors and strong men such as
Sun-yat-sen, Chiang and Mao, apparently they hardly care.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: wally on February 27, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Obama attempted to create a perpetual one party system.

I think if the two party system fails, we are quite more likely to see four parties in the near future.  Each of the two parties are divided between two political wings that have difficulty getting on the same page to get anything done.

I don't like the idea of a one party system for the simple reason that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".


Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time. 
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: taxed on February 27, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: SueAnn on February 27, 2018, 12:19:25 AM
Sadly I believe the corruption is so bad is our country we have already become a one party system.  That is why Trump is fighting a losing battle.

I saw this today:

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.pdf

Looks like he's winning to me...
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 27, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
I saw this today:

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.pdf

Looks like he's winning to me...

Wow!  9.11 MB of data. 
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: wally on February 27, 2018, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:23:35 PM

Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time.
I didn't want to see the internet regulated, just like I thought that FISA and 702's are necessary for our security.  The bad side of human nature (power corrupts) has me thinking that perhaps this may become necessary.  We simply can't trust people not to act in their own self interests and not for the good of our nation.  Too damn bad.  Too much freedom for a few 'trusted' individuals always seems to result in far less freedom for the rest of us.  If they have the freedom to be corrupt, then they will be.  It reminds me of the oxymoron  "legal ethics"  versus Reagan's "trust but verify".  A small cabal of powerful people can not go unchecked.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: AndyJackson on February 27, 2018, 03:14:30 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:23:35 PM

Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time.
It's funny, I keep hearing from the left that is quite amused by the censorship and abuse of leftist social media.......... "they're private companies who can do whatever they want".

Well that's fine and dandy, but once they gather so much power that they've monopolized a segment of society / communications / etc.... that's why we have monopoly / anti-trust laws, for the govt to break them up back to where they aren't running roughshod over the citizens.  Especially when it can be shown that they are using their product / power to attack a certain segment of society.

Especially when the left has deemed bakeries "a public utility" that can't deny anybody a gay cake.  Funny how they don't give the bakery the same "private" protections.
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: Walter Josh on February 27, 2018, 08:46:11 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:23:35 PM

Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time.
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Comment is spot on and reminds of Adam Smith's 250 year old observation, in paraphrase.
"Whenever business/corporate types privately gather for any reason, their purpose immediately
shifts to a conspiracy to maximize their own interests at the expense of the public interest."
Our Silicon Valley hustlers are the soul mates of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Harriman, Vanderbilt, Whitney and the rest, of more than a century ago.
And nobody should be the least bit surprised!
Title: Re: Should the USA become a one party country?
Post by: SueAnn on February 28, 2018, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 27, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
I saw this today:

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.pdf

Looks like he's winning to me...
Thank you, Taxed.  If this is what I think it is I think it needs its own thread.  Can we discuss it, please?