Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2018, 05:04:13 PM
We have been a one party system for a long time. There is little difference between democrats and republicans.

On the mark.
Ironically our original Conservative Party was the Agrarian Rural Democrats of Rutledge, Jefferson, Madison and Calhoun; unfortunately fatally tarred by slavery and destroyed by the Civil War.
The GOP, starting w/Fremont in 1856 has never, ever been a party of conservative principle; even for a day!
It started as a northern anti-slavery party then morphing w/the mercantile class. As the industrial revolution gathered momentum it became a corporate party where it remains today.
A reflection from the ancients:
Aristotle argued that Monarchy was the best form of government for the development of culture/society; while Plato asserted that a Republic of wise oligarchs was superior.
Now if we could only find either??????

Sadly I believe the corruption is so bad is our country we have already become a one party system.  That is why Trump is fighting a losing battle. 

Quote from: Walter Josh on February 26, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
On the mark.
Ironically our original Conservative Party was the Agrarian Rural Democrats of Rutledge, Jefferson, Madison and Calhoun; unfortunately fatally tarred by slavery and destroyed by the Civil War.
The GOP, starting w/Fremont in 1856 has never, ever been a party of conservative principle; even for a day!
It started as a northern anti-slavery party then morphing w/the mercantile class. As the industrial revolution gathered momentum it became a corporate party where it remains today.
A reflection from the ancients:
Aristotle argued that Monarchy was the best form of government for the development of culture/society; while Plato asserted that a Republic of wise oligarchs was superior.
Now if we could only find either??????

Quote from: SueAnn on February 27, 2018, 12:19:25 AM
Sadly I believe the corruption is so bad is our country we have already become a one party system.  That is why Trump is fighting a losing battle.

--------------------------------
Agree, yet believe it's far worse than corruption. Consider the following:
Our first 5 Presidents were; Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
Our last 5 are; Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump.
Now compare and contrast these two lineups.
What does it say about the attributes, behaviors and values a majority of voters accept in our Presidents???

Quote from: garyjones027 on February 26, 2018, 01:08:09 PM
The two party system has failed the USA.  I think USA should be a one party right country so we do not have to worry about liberalism ideology and the dems no more.

Obama attempted to create a perpetual one party system.

I think if the two party system fails, we are quite more likely to see four parties in the near future.  Each of the two parties are divided between two political wings that have difficulty getting on the same page to get anything done.

I don't like the idea of a one party system for the simple reason that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Quote from: wally on February 27, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Obama attempted to create a perpetual one party system.

I think if the two party system fails, we are quite more likely to see four parties in the near future.  Each of the two parties are divided between two political wings that have difficulty getting on the same page to get anything done.

I don't like the idea of a one party system for the simple reason that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Right on Wally. A one party system is step one to a dictator.

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 27, 2018, 12:38:36 PM
Right on Wally. A one party system is step one to a dictator.

Obama attempted to do what Nixon had attempted to do.  This can't be done legally.  There are far too many checks and balances.  It is pretty scary though, how close Obama and Hillary came with the assistance of such powerful forces as the media, Hollywood (movies and tv's are chocked full of their Leftist crap) and the swamp creatures of the Deep State.

Someone mouthing the words of any political ideology doesn't mean that they can be trusted with complete unchallenged power.

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 27, 2018, 12:38:36 PM
Right on Wally. A one party system is step one to a dictator.

-------------------------
Indeed it's what the Chinese People are about to experience, yet again.
Given their history of despotic Emperors and strong men such as
Sun-yat-sen, Chiang and Mao, apparently they hardly care.

Quote from: wally on February 27, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Obama attempted to create a perpetual one party system.

I think if the two party system fails, we are quite more likely to see four parties in the near future.  Each of the two parties are divided between two political wings that have difficulty getting on the same page to get anything done.

I don't like the idea of a one party system for the simple reason that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time. 

Quote from: SueAnn on February 27, 2018, 12:19:25 AM
Sadly I believe the corruption is so bad is our country we have already become a one party system.  That is why Trump is fighting a losing battle.

I saw this today:

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.pdf

Looks like he's winning to me...

Quote from: taxed on February 27, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
I saw this today:

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.pdf

Looks like he's winning to me...

Wow!  9.11 MB of data. 

Quote from: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:23:35 PM

Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time.

I didn't want to see the internet regulated, just like I thought that FISA and 702's are necessary for our security.  The bad side of human nature (power corrupts) has me thinking that perhaps this may become necessary.  We simply can't trust people not to act in their own self interests and not for the good of our nation.  Too damn bad.  Too much freedom for a few 'trusted' individuals always seems to result in far less freedom for the rest of us.  If they have the freedom to be corrupt, then they will be.  It reminds me of the oxymoron  "legal ethics"  versus Reagan's "trust but verify".  A small cabal of powerful people can not go unchecked.

Quote from: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:23:35 PM

Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time.

It's funny, I keep hearing from the left that is quite amused by the censorship and abuse of leftist social media.......... "they're private companies who can do whatever they want".

Well that's fine and dandy, but once they gather so much power that they've monopolized a segment of society / communications / etc.... that's why we have monopoly / anti-trust laws, for the govt to break them up back to where they aren't running roughshod over the citizens.  Especially when it can be shown that they are using their product / power to attack a certain segment of society.

Especially when the left has deemed bakeries "a public utility" that can't deny anybody a gay cake.  Funny how they don't give the bakery the same "private" protections.

Quote from: walkstall on February 27, 2018, 01:23:35 PM

Right now Facebook, Google and Youtub are working very hard at controlling what is being said by one party.  Talk about power corrupting absolutely, I do hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time.

------------------
Comment is spot on and reminds of Adam Smith's 250 year old observation, in paraphrase.
"Whenever business/corporate types privately gather for any reason, their purpose immediately
shifts to a conspiracy to maximize their own interests at the expense of the public interest."
Our Silicon Valley hustlers are the soul mates of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Harriman, Vanderbilt, Whitney and the rest, of more than a century ago.
And nobody should be the least bit surprised!

Quote from: taxed on February 27, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
I saw this today:

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.pdf

Looks like he's winning to me...

Thank you, Taxed.  If this is what I think it is I think it needs its own thread.  Can we discuss it, please?