Should Government Employees Be Allowed To Vote?

Started by kramarat, November 10, 2012, 06:46:59 AM

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mdgiles

QuoteOoohhhh, semantics whoring, are we?  Fine.  People who represent us are supposed to be the cream of the crop, not a hockey mom who makes up words.
Back when we were still paying attention to his theories; we would have referred to that as a "Freudian slip". These days we just refer to it as a gaffe - when someone accidentally tells the truth. That ruling versus representing slip of yours, pretty much reveals your mindset. Statist to the core!  :mad:
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

kramarat

QuotePeople who represent us are supposed to be the cream of the crop, not a hockey mom who makes up words.

I don't want to bust your bubble, but we just re-elected a pot smoking community organizer that was raised outside the US, worships communists and their sympathizers, has all of his school and other records sealed, used his position in government to write and sell books, rather than doing his job, and who's single greatest achievement as president was orchestrating the single largest tax increase in history, with Obamacare. I'll take a hockey mom.

mdgiles

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 02:51:23 PM
I don't want to bust your bubble, but we just re-elected a pot smoking community organizer that was raised outside the US, worships communists and their sympathizers, has all of his school and other records sealed, used his position in government to write and sell books, rather than doing his job, and who's single greatest achievement as president was orchestrating the single largest tax increase in history, with Obamacare. I'll take a hockey mom.
His every word just drips contempt for anyone he doesn't consider to be his "intellectual" equal does he.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

walkstall

Quote from: mdgiles on November 11, 2012, 02:53:57 PM
His every word just drips contempt for anyone he doesn't consider to be his "intellectual" equal does he.

It must be difficult talking to normal people.   :rolleyes:
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Darth Fife

Quote from: kramarat on November 10, 2012, 06:46:59 AM
We've got a total of over 22 million state and federal government workers. My guess is that they vote for the party that promises to grow government and give them more money. The bulk of them are unionized.

http://www.businessinsider.com/look-how-many-government-workers-weve-fired-since-2009-2012-6

Here's my point. Whenever a private company holds a contest, it is forbidden by law for the employees of that company to participate. The reason is obvious. It prevents the employees of that company from influencing the outcome of the contest, or skewing the results to benefit a family member, etc. In fact, the family members of company employees are also forbidden from entering the contests.

Why should we allow 22 million people that work within the company and have a vested interest in a democrat outcome, to participate in political contests? The very same government has made it illegal in the private sector, because they know it is not fair.

First, I would ban all public sector employee unions.

Second, no one who had not served in the military would be allowed to vote in Federal elections. State and local elections would be up to the state.

Third, people who are participating in Federal Entitlement Programs would be ineligible to vote, if such income exceeds more that 1/3 of their total income.

Finally, at each polling place there would be a simple 10 question test. You need to get a 70% or above to be allowed to vote. There are far too many idiots, on both the Republican and Democrat sides, who don't have the slightest idea of what is going on - they really should not be allowed to vote.


walkstall

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 11, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
First, I would ban all public sector employee unions.

Second, no one who had not served in the military would be allowed to vote in Federal elections. State and local elections would be up to the state.Third, people who are participating in Federal Entitlement Programs would be ineligible to vote, if such income exceeds more that 1/3 of their total income.

Finally, at each polling place there would be a simple 10 question test. You need to get a 70% or above to be allowed to vote. There are far too many idiots, on both the Republican and Democrat sides, who don't have the slightest idea of what is going on - they really should not be allowed to vote.

Hmm... one of my brothers was 4 F the Navy, Army or Marines would not take him.  Each one said no.   Just saying..............
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Darth Fife

Quote from: walkstall on November 11, 2012, 04:34:39 PM
Hmm... one of my brothers was 4 F the Navy, Army or Marines would not take him.  Each one said no.   Just saying..............

Where I was coming from with that is that one of the biggest things that the Federal Government does is send the military out to fight our wars. I feel that the people elected to make that decision, should only be elected by people who have actually been in the military.

Of course, this goes hand in hand with reducing the size of the Federal Government to the absolute minimum size required to fulfill its obligation under the Constitution.


kramarat

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 11, 2012, 04:41:12 PM
Where I was coming from with that is that one of the biggest things that the Federal Government does is send the military out to fight our wars. I feel that the people elected to make that decision, should only be elected by people who have actually been in the military.

Of course, this goes hand in hand with reducing the size of the Federal Government to the absolute minimum size required to fulfill its obligation under the Constitution.

That doesn't sound right either. It would unfairly bias the party that promised to grow the military, give massive pay increases, etc., which would be the republicans. We would end up with a bunch of repulican money wasters in there, and a military that was twice the size that we need.

My primary beef, is that the government has become so massive, that it's civilian employees can sway entire elections toward big government candidates, which we just witnessed with the Obama re-election. And yes, that also includes the people that are getting a free government ride. By handing out all of these entitlements, we are screwing the people that are genuinely sick and poor, and really need help.

walkstall

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 11, 2012, 04:41:12 PM
Where I was coming from with that is that one of the biggest things that the Federal Government does is send the military out to fight our wars. I feel that the people elected to make that decision, should only be elected by people who have actually been in the military.
Of course, this goes hand in hand with reducing the size of the Federal Government to the absolute minimum size required to fulfill its obligation under the Constitution.

For it to be that way every man or woman should be able to enlist.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Darth Fife

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
That doesn't sound right either. It would unfairly bias the party that promised to grow the military, give massive pay increases, etc., which would be the republicans. We would end up with a bunch of repulican money wasters in there, and a military that was twice the size that we need.

My primary beef, is that the government has become so massive, that it's civilian employees can sway entire elections toward big government candidates, which we just witnessed with the Obama re-election. And yes, that also includes the people that are getting a free government ride. By handing out all of these entitlements, we are screwing the people that are genuinely sick and poor, and really need help.

It's not perfect, but, at least IMHO, its no worse than allowing a bunch of welfare queens decide who gets to be president!


kramarat

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 11, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
It's not perfect, but, at least IMHO, its no worse than allowing a bunch of welfare queens decide who gets to be president!

Agreed, but it probably doesn't matter.

If we see a continued expansion of government, and government entitlement programs like welfare, foodstamps, Obamaphones.................and even SSI disability, (which has skyrocketed under Obama), I think we are facing a very real possibility that we won't see a republican in the oval office for a long, long time. We are looking at tens of millions of people that are not effected by a bad economy. Whether they work for government, or get a free check every month, their pay is safe.......and they vote.

mdgiles

Quote from: kramarat on November 12, 2012, 04:20:41 AM
Agreed, but it probably doesn't matter.

If we see a continued expansion of government, and government entitlement programs like welfare, foodstamps, Obamaphones.................and even SSI disability, (which has skyrocketed under Obama), I think we are facing a very real possibility that we won't see a republican in the oval office for a long, long time. We are looking at tens of millions of people that are not effected by a bad economy. Whether they work for government, or get a free check every month, their pay is safe.......and they vote.
When the collapse comes, what are the takers going to do? The idea of doing something - besides asking for continued handouts - never occurs to them. Greece is the coming model, where the people simply refuse to face the reality of no more free cheese. They riot in the streets demanding, that the nanny state continue. IMHO, I see a new set of "Colonels" in their future. I see police states in a whole lot of futures, it's the only way to keep the leeches in line.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

TowardLiberty

Everyone should be allowed to vote, but at the same time, everyone should be allowed to opt out of what the majority ends up voting for?

Dont like the war on drugs or Social Security?

Opt out and dont subject yourself to these programs and taxes....

I dont see another way of saving the political process.

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 02:51:23 PM
I don't want to bust your bubble, but we just re-elected a pot smoking

Red herring.  Nothing to do with intelligence.

Quotecommunity organizer

Red herring.  Nothing to do with intelligence.

Quotethat was raised outside the US,

Red herring.  Nothing to do with intelligence (and quite false).

Quoteworships communists

Anyone who thinks Obama is a communist has absolutely no idea what a communistic state actually is like.

Quotehas all of his school and other records sealed,

You do realize that none of this is supposed to be public, right?

Quoteused his position in government to write and sell books, rather than doing his job,

Black and white fallacy.  One does not exclude the other.

Quoteand who's single greatest achievement as president was orchestrating the single largest tax increase in history, with Obamacare.

I'd love to see your statistics.


QuoteI'll take a hockey mom.

Because a hockey mom is qualified to handle complex economic, political and social issues on a daily bases, when campaigning nearly collapsed her.   :rolleyes:

kramarat

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Red herring.  Nothing to do with intelligence.

Red herring.  Nothing to do with intelligence.

Red herring.  Nothing to do with intelligence (and quite false).

Anyone who thinks Obama is a communist has absolutely no idea what a communistic state actually is like.

You do realize that none of this is supposed to be public, right?

Black and white fallacy.  One does not exclude the other.

I'd love to see your statistics.


Because a hockey mom is qualified to handle complex economic, political and social issues on a daily bases, when campaigning nearly collapsed her.   :rolleyes:

Good thinking, boy genius!

Elect the president based on intelligence, and no one below a certain IQ gets to vote. Perfect!

That would eliminate 90% of the people that voted for Obama. Damn you're smart.

Smart people use intelligence, huh?

Remember your video, homey? :lol:

Brilliant!!!!!!

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