Should Government Employees Be Allowed To Vote?

Started by kramarat, November 10, 2012, 06:46:59 AM

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kramarat

Quote from: mdgiles on November 10, 2012, 11:50:38 AM
No, make it 25 - that's the age you can get elected to the House. It's also about the age your auto insurance starts to go down. Maybe they know something. I remember when I was 18, I was stupid - and I was in the infantry, in a combat zone.

If it's the 18-25 year olds that decided the vote, (which I doubt), it's because Obama dangled the carrot of free education and forgiven student loans in their faces. He forgot to mention that they won't have jobs when they graduate.

Why attach an age to it? If we just stop letting stupid people vote, we'll never see another democrat in office. :biggrin:

Yawn

I linked the source.  If age doesn't matter, why not set it at 12?  8?  So,m as the old joke goes, it does matter, we're just debating the age.  18 is WAY too young unless you're a Demonrat politician looking to expand your base.

a777pilot

I would opine that the minimum age to vote ought be the same as the minimum age to hold office.  So in Federal/national elections that would be 25.  State and local elections would depend on the minimum age in those political arenas.
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kramarat

Quote from: Yawn on November 10, 2012, 11:58:20 AM
Did you read the source.  25 is the bare minimum when common sense begins to kick in

When does common sense kick in with the liberal?

I think the problem may be more societal than age related. I'm guessing that 18-25 year olds thought much differently before about 1920-1930. Of course most of them had been working hard from the time they were able.

valjean

Yes, government employees should be allowed to vote. Let's not forget that our military members are paid by the government as job and profession.

However I think public sector unions should be eliminated all together, if you get a government job, a job that is funded by tax payers, you have no right to demand more from taxpayers than they are willing to give especially when government workers possess far more benefits than someone working in the private sector.

Now government workers should be allowed to vote, but I honestly think that universal suffrage is showing its flaws now. I think it is completely immoral for people who do not pay taxes to vote themselves a bigger piece of the pie from someone else's labor, voting on things related to taxation ought to be limited to those who actually pay taxes. I would not say we need to restrict voting across the board, because citizenship entitles one to have a say in government, but this should be confined to things that do not involve other people's money. The very concept of the house of representatives is predicated on this idea; larger populations deserve more representation, since if they contribute most of the taxes they ought to appropriate most of the benefits of their taxes to higher population states. The same should ring true for individual voters in my opinion.

Yawn

Yeah, it's a pretty basic principle. Those who take from others shouldn't have a say in what you're gonna give.  Good lick stopping it though.  Since they CAN vote and they're a significant percentage of all working American, it'll never happen--only grow bigger until it all comes crashing down--then the riots and revolution begin.

kramarat

Obviously we won't be able to stop government employees, (not military), from voting. But something feels inherently wrong, when we have a government that continues to grow, and then the people that work within government are guaranteed to vote for the people that promise to grow it further.............democrats.

At some point the balance is going to shift, to where government employees and people that depend on government handouts are the majority. I think we may already be there. If that's the case, we're fooling ouselves to think that conservative, (limited government), candidates will ever win. It won't happen until we are crushed as a country.

mdgiles

Quote from: valjean on November 10, 2012, 01:23:29 PM
Yes, government employees should be allowed to vote. Let's not forget that our military members are paid by the government as job and profession.
There are many jobs in the "military". No one would dream of depriving a member of the combat arms of the franchise; but what about a clerk/typist at the Pentagon?
QuoteHowever I think public sector unions should be eliminated all together, if you get a government job, a job that is funded by tax payers, you have no right to demand more from taxpayers than they are willing to give especially when government workers possess far more benefits than someone working in the private sector.
It's not only a question of benefits, it's a question of whether government workers actually pay taxes at all. If you walk into the tax office and pay five thousand dollars in taxes, and then walk across the hallway and pick up a fifty thousand dollar paycheck, what exactly have you contributed?
QuoteNow government workers should be allowed to vote, but I honestly think that universal suffrage is showing its flaws now. I think it is completely immoral for people who do not pay taxes to vote themselves a bigger piece of the pie from someone else's labor, voting on things related to taxation ought to be limited to those who actually pay taxes. I would not say we need to restrict voting across the board, because citizenship entitles one to have a say in government, but this should be confined to things that do not involve other people's money. The very concept of the house of representatives is predicated on this idea; larger populations deserve more representation, since if they contribute most of the taxes they ought to appropriate most of the benefits of their taxes to higher population states. The same should ring true for individual voters in my opinion.
I sort of agree, in that I believe there should be a "property qualification" (or a taxpayer qualification) for the franchise. The only exception I would make is for actual combat veterans.
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kramarat

I never intended for the military to be part of the equation. Whether it's a typist or infantry, these are people that give up the rights of civilianhood, and volunteer to become government property. They are governerned by the UCMJ, and cannot protest or get up and quit if they don't like it.

Another option would be to get rid of government unions, and have all civilian employees work at military pay grades. The government would draw people that put country ahead of themselves.

The argument would be, (from the left), that only stupid people would want to work for government. I would disagree. Our military is filled with people that put country in front of paycheck. Plenty of them are highly intelligent as well. They are there because they want to be there.

For Liberty

Quote from: Yawn on November 10, 2012, 07:14:33 AM
NO!  I don't consider the military "government employees" in the traditional way.

I'd move the voting age up to 30.  We already know until about age 25, the brain isn't fully developed in the judgment centers. Source

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Quote from: For Liberty on November 11, 2012, 02:22:44 AM
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republicans2

As a federal employee, I can assure everyone that many vote conservative especially those in law enforcement.  Government employees did not out Obama over the top.  Most are located in Virginia and DC.  Fear mongering and ignorance was the key for the left.

kramarat

Quote from: republicans2 on November 11, 2012, 05:13:10 AM
As a federal employee, I can assure everyone that many vote conservative especially those in law enforcement.  Government employees did not out Obama over the top.  Most are located in Virginia and DC.  Fear mongering and ignorance was the key for the left.

That makes sense. Law enforcement is somewhat like a military command. They also get to deal with liberal policies on the street level. On the other hand, we have the teachers unions, etc. that are fully committed to democrats and keeping them in power. I personally think that it would be safe to assume that the majority of public employees lean democrat. I don't blame them either.

Sci Fi Fan

I agree that federal unions should be outlawed.

But denying them suffrage is voter suppression at its absolute worst; and now, you're not even trying to hide it.  By that logic, women should not be allowed to vote because they tend to lean Left.  Neither should minorities, or scientists, or intellectuals, or gays.

But wait!  We can do this both ways: obviously, religious leaders would vote for the candidate that wants to give  religion more authority in the state.  So they should not be allowed to vote.  Nor should big bankers, for obvious reasons.

Indeed, I've heard the claim that wellfare recipients should not be allowed to vote before.  The biggest welfare recipients in history are the big bankers in the recent bailout.  Or is it OK to get billions of dollars for your own crimes if you're rich?   :rolleyes: