Shocking Facts about Thomas Jefferson

Started by doublejm1, April 02, 2013, 08:28:10 PM

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Phillip

Quote from: pisskop on April 03, 2013, 07:15:18 AM
I want to see his sources.  Let him come back and defend his integrity.  Too often the universities encourage this baseless drivel and gross scandel meant to shake our (youth's) faith in the government.  Follow your heart (and your *p*eers) is the mantra of the college professor.

Clearly it was meant to envoke a reaction.



His "sources" consist of a single book. I've never written a paper that only had one source [Even in undergrad].


It should also be noted it's April and this article was written on February 18th, 2013. I seriously doubt a paper of this length was given a month and a half time before you turn in.

AndyJackson

Blueridge troll alert.  Or Bluenose, or Bluegill, or Blueballs, or whatever that was.

This is like the guys who think it's oh-so-intelligent to trash Christianity based on the Old Testament, Crusades, and KNights Templar........while making excuses for the current day muslim violence, planned genocide against Israel, and current genocide among themselves.

I guess this is what's become of the 15-25 demographic, nothing but snarky-smarmy-bitchy nonsense.  And it's their truth, never to be altered or relented.

mdgiles

Like many of the Founding Fathers, Jefferson knew slavery was wrong - he just didn't know what to do about it. He once described slavery as: "Like having a wolf by the ears, you can't hold on forever and you can't let it go". And look at the blood spilled to finally settle the question. As for his beliefs about the power of the government; The Lousiana Purchase was simply too good a deal to let go. Doubling the size of the country AND gaining the mouth of the Mississippi! And if I remember correctly Congress wasn't in session when Napoleon made the offer.
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supsalemgr

Quote from: mdgiles on April 03, 2013, 11:46:17 AM
Like many of the Founding Fathers, Jefferson knew slavery was wrong - he just didn't know what to do about it. He once described slavery as: "Like having a wolf by the ears, you can't hold on forever and you can't let it go". And look at the blood spilled to finally settle the question. As for his beliefs about the power of the government; The Lousiana Purchase was simply too good a deal to let go. Doubling the size of the country AND gaining the mouth of the Mississippi! And if I remember correctly Congress wasn't in session when Napoleon made the offer.

TJ was a brilliant man. I truly enjoyed my tour of Monticello. He was certainly ahead of his time. Our lib friends, on the hand, feel his thoughts are out moded.
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AndyJackson

The story of Jefferson & Monticello, and Washington & Mt. Vernon, is pretty neat.

They apparently were competetive on some level with the development of their little worlds, which are really quite close to each other.

Monticello was centered around a really cool house full of inventions, gadgets, nifty little spaces, etc.....while Mt. Vernon was centered around grounds, landscape, and gardens.

But both just amazing, and a tribute to the guys who created America.  True giants in their vocations, avocations, and even hobbies  !

JustKari

I find it rather ironic that with our forefathers, liberals are quick to point out who they associated with and their lifestyle, but try to bring up Obama's friends and associates and suddenly those things are not relevant.  So, are friends and associates meaningful or not?

Byteryder

Quote from: doublejm1 on April 02, 2013, 08:28:10 PM
Hey guys. First time poster and history geek here.

I was asked to write an essay on any president for my college American History class. I chose one of my favorite presidents -- Thomas Jefferson -- and centered it on the various contradictions that continue to mar his legacy to this day: http://socyberty.com/history/six-shocking-facts-about-thomas-jefferson/

I wanted to see what you guys think. Were you already aware of these facts before reading the article? Do you think anything should be changed/added?  Do you find these to be truly shocking facts about Thomas Jefferson?

I still have a couple of days before this is due.

Thanks.


"Considering I love to learn new things and always dreamed of being a writer, I can certainly draw parallels between Jefferson and myself."

I'd drop that line.  It is not about Jefferson, it is about you, and could be viewed as self-serving.

Otherwise, the piece demonstrates that the are no Absolutes.  Even for the likes of Jefferson.  As much as there will be some that will rise to the contrary, all ethics and morals ar situational.


TboneAgain

Quote from: mdgiles on April 03, 2013, 11:46:17 AM
Like many of the Founding Fathers, Jefferson knew slavery was wrong - he just didn't know what to do about it. He once described slavery as: "Like having a wolf by the ears, you can't hold on forever and you can't let it go". And look at the blood spilled to finally settle the question. As for his beliefs about the power of the government; The Lousiana Purchase was simply too good a deal to let go. Doubling the size of the country AND gaining the mouth of the Mississippi! And if I remember correctly Congress wasn't in session when Napoleon made the offer.

I suspected you were older than that tin-type photo you stuck up...  :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:

Let's see, that puts you back to 1804 or thereabouts, yes?
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TboneAgain

Oh, and her name was Hemings. Sarah "Sally" Hemings. [/nitpick]
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quiller

Quote from: Byteryder on April 03, 2013, 03:52:22 PM

"Considering I love to learn new things and always dreamed of being a writer, I can certainly draw parallels between Jefferson and myself."

I'd drop that line.  It is not about Jefferson, it is about you, and could be viewed as self-serving.

Otherwise, the piece demonstrates that the are no Absolutes.  Even for the likes of Jefferson.  As much as there will be some that will rise to the contrary, all ethics and morals ar situational.

At the risk of being self-serving, a few visual aids for this lad's epic display of third-rate research.....



At the present, Janet Napolitano is stonewalling Congress over the feds buying up all the available ammunition in America. At the present, attorney general Eric Holder remains the only AG to ever be indicted for contempt of Congress --- and yet still serves in his job. Now the presence of armed and unarmed surveillance drones is being stepped up, in a move that concerns even the normally-placid ACLU.



He can cut White House tours for civic-minded schoolkids but can't resist renting the entire four-star Taj Mahal Hilton for his entourage, or spend millions on vacations which taxpayers must pay for (as far as security and housing of security are concerned). Thus far he has taken one vacation per month. Does this mean Obama works harder than Jefferson and needs more time away, or he's less competent than Jefferson and needs the room to hide?

I'll let that slave-schtupping Virginian get the last word....


AndyJackson

haha, the comparison of one's self to Thomas Jefferson always points to a legit character.....

and I woulda given Prince Fielder a run for his money if I hadn't quit the game in little league.....

doublejm1

Thanks for the comments, even though some were rather harsh.  :blush:

My goal was not to write a "bash Jefferson" article. If you sense that was my aim in writing this article, I do apologize. But notice I credit Jefferson at different points in the article (shrewd politician, etc.) Like every other politician, Jefferson had flaws and strengths.

Shooterman

Quote from: doublejm1 on August 08, 2013, 03:31:43 PM
Thanks for the comments, even though some were rather harsh.  :blush:

My goal was not to write a "bash Jefferson" article. If you sense that was my aim in writing this article, I do apologize. But notice I credit Jefferson at different points in the article (shrewd politician, etc.) Like every other politician, Jefferson had flaws and strengths.

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Quote from: doublejm1 on August 08, 2013, 03:31:43 PM
Thanks for the comments, even though some were rather harsh.  :blush:

My goal was not to write a "bash Jefferson" article. If you sense that was my aim in writing this article, I do apologize. But notice I credit Jefferson at different points in the article (shrewd politician, etc.) Like every other politician, Jefferson had flaws and strengths.

#1 -   Delivering the State of the Union address in person had nothign to do with Jefferson being "shy".  Most original states of the union were delivered in writing. It was not until the progressivist Woodrow Wilson that  State of the Union addresses really began to be habitually delivered in person to a Joint Session of Congress.

#2 - While acquiring territory, i.e. the Louisiana Purchase,  may not be  an authority given to the President directly, it is surely an understood power of Congress, and an effective choice of the Executive (particularly if it involves avoiding near-future war with other nations).  More territory does not necessarily mean bigger government.

Surely the Founders did not view that the Country must remain solely as the 13 original colonies, and 13 huddled stars in a lonely field of blue on the flag.

#3 -   You cannot address Jefferson's "indulging" whithout addressing the fact that Jefferson was among a few of the founders who did not get the distinct difference between the American Revolution and the French Revolution.  The American Revolution did not "indulge" the whim of populist demand, particularly when it meant giving up the terms of a Civil Society. whereas the French Revolution did so, and this resulted in the hangings and decapitations, and the violent pendulum swings from one faction to another.  Jefferson's inability to make this distinction involving the importance of a foundation in Civil Society almost resulted in Jefferson being thrown in the Bastille, or getting him killed.   

Jefferson's mistake, and even blindness about the French Revolution is seen today in this administration's blindness about the Middle East and supporting the "Arab Spring" and more recent populist problems in Egypt.   Both in Revolutionary France, and today's Middle East, without first a foundation in a Civil Society, then the result of "democracy" can only be a populist elected tyranny and dictatorship, which is what Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were in Egypt, and what the French Revolution was in France.

#4 - Your claim that Jefferson did not practice what he preached when it came to race and the question of slavery.  This statement comes from your obvious youth and naivete.     You recognize that Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, but then you proceed to ignore it, just as many contemporary progressives.

The Declaration declares all mean to be created equal.  It does not give the government, nor the Constitution itself the authority to dictate that equality, to change the terms of society. Had the Constitution done so, those Founders would have created the very sort of government which they fought against Britain and King George to reject, in which government can dictate the terms of Society. 

Any government that can unilaterally dictate the terms of society, or engage in "Social Engineering",  can also unilaterally dictate the enslavement of mankind.   

To no surprise, the very involvement of the government in dictating "rights" after the Civil War, has led to the government dictating that it has de facto ownership of each and every American citizen, via ObamaCare.  And this is something that is grossly unconstitutional, and deliberately nowhere in the federal government's legitimate authority.

Also Jefferson didn't simply  just back the extension of slavery into Missouri, not any more so than by the 3/5ths clause was only viewing blacks as 3/5th of a person!  The Missouri Compromise was in order to find a compromise in agreement for the nation to not  imbalance it in the legislature, and thereby promote rejection of the further increase of the country's size.  Jefferson was not promoting slavery by allowing it into Missouri.

5 - Jefferson did not simply just hate political parties, but believed that those parties should not replace the interest of the nation, and the principles of the Constitution, with their own ideology.