Sessions: Restore federal asset seizures

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Billy's bayonet

Quote from: TboneAgain on September 22, 2017, 02:11:45 PM


The WaPo may not be your source of choice, but the exact same story was reported in at least ten other journals, including Fox News here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/20/has-asset-forfeiture-gone-too-far-truck-seizure-case-sparks-outrage-call-for-change.html You can also check out Forbes here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2017/09/13/border-agents-seized-american-citizens-truck-never-charged-him-with-a-crime/#1bb62fa57a04


The WAPO doesn't give a flying burrito about the 2nd amend, the Constitution or American Citizens. They are setting you up with this sob story with 2nd amend overtones. They know damn good and well that Sessions is in the process of declaring all out war on the scum from across the southern border, MS-13 and the cartels. The entire leftist cabal is on it's ear knowing that blood money and other assets from their darling illegal alien groups who GIVE THEM GENEROUS CAMPAIGN DONATIONS UNDER THE TABLE are on the line and maybe, just maybe some of these dummy shell corporations and offshore boiler rooms might take a hit and they might be exposed for what they are no more Dinero to buy votes with

Personally I'd seize every asset from every illegal alien and throw their asses out of Our Country without a penny, then militarize the border with the money and other assets seized.
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One thing people are forgetting. That stupid law Congress passed without any public input in 1953, the 100 mile Constitution Free Zone.
Though really not quite free, border patrol has certain freedoms where crossing the border is concerned.

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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 22, 2017, 05:58:27 PM
I harken back to my Halcyon days of yore when I seized many an asset from a Drug dealers network. One of my prize confiscation's was a pair of BMW's owned by "the Mom's" who was the real driving force behind the operation of a genuine drug dealing family...heroin.  Sweet ol' church going Mom who never had so much as a traffic ticket.  She ordered a girlfriend of Sonny boy killed because she had the audacity to ask her for $200 for an abortion, when refused Mom speculated she might rat to the cops soooooo.....one of the teenage sociopaths in the organization  Moms affectionately called "my grand baby" beat her to death with a baseball bat and dumped her body off the Suitland parkway, Made Mom's very happy no doubt.

Now why da PO-lices pickin' on that Ol' Woman?

I can give you about a dozen or so other examples of asset forfeiture, many automobiles driven around by drug dealers who never had any sort of record,said vehicles never actually hauled the drugs, which brings the whole other issue of surrogate purchases and ownership, very common among criminals, organized crime etc etc.

Here is another kicker, many times you have to give those assets back if you cannot prove so and so owns it, thats why the surrogate purchases,(Dis my cousins car)  OR if there is a big note usually the cops don't file for a Forfeiture coz the Judge won't award the asset if the BANK owns it, it goes down as a "repo".

So Dude here is "clean"...?   Maybe, Maybe not.  Going back and forth across the border with a $60,000 truck, Hmmmmm, not illegal but then again The case hasn't gone to court yet, when it does any intell report will outline the probable cause, then it is up to a judge. All within the confines of the 4th and due process.

There are no charges whatsoever against this man. The case hasn't gone to court yet, and it never will, because there IS NO CASE against this guy. He has been charged with NOTHING. The government has had TWO YEARS to come up with something against this guy, and it has bupkis.

Is attempting to drive across the Mexican border in a $60,000 truck now a crime? Sad to say, a fancy new F-250 actually does cost sixty grand.  If YOU were the driver of a new F-250, would YOU expect to be detained, questioned, searched, bullied, deprived of your property? Would YOU think it was all OK because, you know, drugs and stuff?

You're advocating the rule of border cops, and abandoning the rule of law. You may catch more drug dealers that way, but you'll also catch people like me and you and everybody else who likes nice trucks every time.

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Billy's bayonet

T Bone if I had a $60,000 truck the last thing I'd do is drive it to Mexico, WOULD YOU? And if I was stupid enough to do that I'd damn sure be certain I had nothing it in like loose rounds or loose joints. Then again I'm probably not in EPIC (El Paso Information Center) which would not give any LEO cause to pull me over and subject me to such scrutiny.
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WHEN A WRONG IS UNAVENGED THE HEAVENS LOOK DOWN ON US IN SHAME

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Walter Josh

Quote from: ford on September 16, 2017, 11:15:03 AM
Americans used to believe in freedom.

Ford, an observation.
Well at least you got in about 6 words before the usual hit and run.
In fairness, any 'newbie' deserves a chance to be heard.
But predictably, your introduction speaks volumes about the posse of schmucks who infest the site; whose relentless posture is intolerance.
While the site leader is an earnest, even handed, fair minded and hard working guy who posts some 100X daily, he is surrounded by a gaggle of jackasses w/the perpetual rag on, since pre-school, over anything and everything that does not conform to their biases. Consequently they are compulsively hostile, humorless and hollow.
Case in point. Some weeks ago, I labeled American Economist Fisher, a Nobel Laureate; confusing him w/Norwegian Frisch. The error was clearly mine yet the reaction was apoplectic from some self important doofus labeled boner or blather or some such. The sturm und drang prolly reached the FBI.
The point is, nothing will change so free yourself and flee since 'newbies' are perceived as dangerous to the established order and needy of close monitoring till they conform.
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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 23, 2017, 06:24:54 AM
T Bone if I had a $60,000 truck the last thing I'd do is drive it to Mexico, WOULD YOU? And if I was stupid enough to do that I'd damn sure be certain I had nothing it in like loose rounds or loose joints. Then again I'm probably not in EPIC (El Paso Information Center) which would not give any LEO cause to pull me over and subject me to such scrutiny.

I'm not saying that driving his new truck to the border was the smartest thing the guy ever did, given the circumstances on the ground. But having a few loose rounds in the truck is NOT a crime on either side of the border, as long as there is no corresponding firearm present. This is precisely why the guy has never been charged with a crime -- he didn't commit one.

What is this "EPIC" of which you speak? Is that some sort of database? Do you know with certainty this guy was listed on this database? If so, do you know why? If you have some sort of inside info, it'd be nice if you'd share it with the rest of us.

Based on everything I've read about this case, the guy was arrested for driving a nice truck while being Hispanic. And that, my friend, is bullshit. Arrests for driving a nice truck while being Caucasian are the very next step. Are you willing to take that step?

The taxpayers are eventually going to take it up the ass -- again -- for the actions of one Border Patrol agent who should still be in his momma's basement. The civil suit will be in the millions, and the guy (and his gut-sucking lawyers) will win it hands down. It's a Fourth Amendment gimme.
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TboneAgain

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 23, 2017, 11:12:12 AM
Ford, an observation.
Well at least you got in about 6 words before the usual hit and run.
In fairness, any 'newbie' deserves a chance to be heard.
But predictably, your introduction speaks volumes about the posse of schmucks who infest the site; whose relentless posture is intolerance.
While the site leader is an earnest, even handed, fair minded and hard working guy who posts some 100X daily, he is surrounded by a gaggle of jackasses w/the perpetual rag on, since pre-school, over anything and everything that does not conform to their biases. Consequently they are compulsively hostile, humorless and hollow.
Case in point. Some weeks ago, I labeled American Economist Fisher, a Nobel Laureate; confusing him w/Norwegian Frisch. The error was clearly mine yet the reaction was apoplectic from some self important doofus labeled boner or blather or some such. The sturm und drang prolly reached the FBI.
The point is, nothing will change so free yourself and flee since 'newbies' are perceived as dangerous to the established order and needy of close monitoring till they conform.
Like Dracula's Igor; "It's what they do."

Ford, a welcome and an invitation.

Free and open thought, good ideas, clear thinking, conservative principles, accurate accountings of history, open-mindedness, wholesome values, positive attitudes are all welcome and encouraged here. You are too new for most of us to form an opinion about you. (Forget the Leftist bullshit about being "non-judgmental." Everybody judges everybody else every single day. I have been judged here by my peers for many years now, and you will be too, as long as you stay. As Igor said, "It's what they do.")

We thrive on positive thinking. We look for solutions, instead of dwelling on problems. We are of the school that values teaching the man to fish instead of giving him a fish.

But be warned! We hold you to your words. We demand that you back up what you say. We expect that you have your own opinions, but we insist that you back them up with something approaching logic. If you present a stand that you believe is fact, we will want to see your evidence. If you have none, we will crucify you, as some folks have discovered to their intense displeasure.

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walkstall

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 23, 2017, 11:12:12 AM
Ford, an observation.
Well at least you got in about 6 words before the usual hit and run.
In fairness, any 'newbie' deserves a chance to be heard.
But predictably, your introduction speaks volumes about the posse of schmucks who infest the site; whose relentless posture is intolerance.
While the site leader is an earnest, even handed, fair minded and hard working guy who posts some 100X daily, he is surrounded by a gaggle of jackasses w/the perpetual rag on, since pre-school, over anything and everything that does not conform to their biases. Consequently they are compulsively hostile, humorless and hollow.
Case in point. Some weeks ago, I labeled American Economist Fisher, a Nobel Laureate; confusing him w/Norwegian Frisch. The error was clearly mine yet the reaction was apoplectic from some self important doofus labeled boner or blather or some such. The sturm und drang prolly reached the FBI.
The point is, nothing will change so free yourself and flee since 'newbies' are perceived as dangerous to the established order and needy of close monitoring till they conform.
Like Dracula's Igor; "It's what they do."


Walter Josh
IF you can not handle feedback then don't let the door hit you in the ass.  This is from just one of the "gaggle of jackasses" that let you post on this adult board.  Now be a "man" and take the feedback like a "man."

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Solar

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 23, 2017, 11:12:12 AM
Ford, an observation.
Well at least you got in about 6 words before the usual hit and run.
In fairness, any 'newbie' deserves a chance to be heard.
But predictably, your introduction speaks volumes about the posse of schmucks who infest the site; whose relentless posture is intolerance.
While the site leader is an earnest, even handed, fair minded and hard working guy who posts some 100X daily, he is surrounded by a gaggle of jackasses w/the perpetual rag on, since pre-school, over anything and everything that does not conform to their biases. Consequently they are compulsively hostile, humorless and hollow.
Case in point. Some weeks ago, I labeled American Economist Fisher, a Nobel Laureate; confusing him w/Norwegian Frisch. The error was clearly mine yet the reaction was apoplectic from some self important doofus labeled boner or blather or some such. The sturm und drang prolly reached the FBI.
The point is, nothing will change so free yourself and flee since 'newbies' are perceived as dangerous to the established order and needy of close monitoring till they conform.
Like Dracula's Igor; "It's what they do."
Hey Walt, just so you know, not one of his post were his own, he merely copy the words of others without accreditation and was warned several times again since the last time he was booted, to not do it again.
He did and was banished from the forum for copyright violations.
Had he simply credited the original author, this would not have been an issue. That, and the fact he'd start threads and never once respond to posts, and if he did, it was done with a stolen quote, unaccredited.
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Quote from: Walter Josh on September 23, 2017, 11:12:12 AM
Ford, an observation.
Well at least you got in about 6 words before the usual hit and run.
In fairness, any 'newbie' deserves a chance to be heard.
But predictably, your introduction speaks volumes about the posse of schmucks who infest the site; whose relentless posture is intolerance.
While the site leader is an earnest, even handed, fair minded and hard working guy who posts some 100X daily, he is surrounded by a gaggle of jackasses w/the perpetual rag on, since pre-school, over anything and everything that does not conform to their biases. Consequently they are compulsively hostile, humorless and hollow.
Case in point. Some weeks ago, I labeled American Economist Fisher, a Nobel Laureate; confusing him w/Norwegian Frisch. The error was clearly mine yet the reaction was apoplectic from some self important doofus labeled boner or blather or some such. The sturm und drang prolly reached the FBI.
The point is, nothing will change so free yourself and flee since 'newbies' are perceived as dangerous to the established order and needy of close monitoring till they conform.
Like Dracula's Igor; "It's what they do."

Gee Walter ... it seems by your commentary that you don't like this forum, nor the people in it ... so...why oh why, do you then continue to post here?  Interesting that you decided to insinuate what I think of 'newbies'.  I welcome them, but those that post in here just to stir the pot with nothing more than a bunch of talking points that they think is going to upset the apple cart don't contribute squat to the forum; though initially I find them quite entertaining and at times humorous, after awhile become nothing more than an annoyance.
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Quote from: Walter Josh on September 23, 2017, 11:12:12 AM

Case in point. Some weeks ago, I labeled American Economist Fisher, a Nobel Laureate; confusing him w/Norwegian Frisch. The error was clearly mine yet the reaction was apoplectic from some self important doofus labeled boner or blather or some such. The sturm und drang prolly reached the FBI.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm the "doofus," y'all.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This bonehead "confused" an American economist named Irving Fisher with a Norwegian economist named Ragnar Anton Kittil Frisch. Really. We're supposed to believe this.

Being a doofus, of course, I make mistakes like that all the time. Just the other day, I got ol' Josef Stalin mixed up with Sir Henry M. Stanley, the Scottish bloke who chased around Africa looking for Dr. Livingstone (I presume). Then there was the time I got Enrico Fermi mixed up with Geraldine Ferraro.... But I don't want to go there.
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Billy's bayonet

Quote from: TboneAgain on September 23, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
I'm not saying that driving his new truck to the border was the smartest thing the guy ever did, given the circumstances on the ground. But having a few loose rounds in the truck is NOT a crime on either side of the border, as long as there is no corresponding firearm present.

Based on everything I've read about this case, the guy was arrested for driving a nice truck while being Hispanic. And that, my friend, is bullshit. Arrests for driving a nice truck while being Caucasian are the very next step. Are you willing to take that step?

Wrong, crossing the border into Mexico or vice versa with guns, ammunition or other CONTRABAND is indeed illegal, yes even a few bullets, so yes, he did technically commit a crime. There are also signs up everywhere that tell you this, in english and Spanish.

So "He's arrested for Being Hispanic and driving a nice truck"....that is what your Boy Obamao would have said when he was a big time Chicago lawyer getting street thugs and criminals released, that was his schtick, He was "Profiled" Oh dear me!

Once again, neither of us really knows the real story here, YES, I'm siding with Law Enforcement AND I ALWAYS WILL because I've been so many times in the same position as whatever example is and I understand how things work and you don't. If you want to try the case in the court of public opinion what defense do you offer other than gut EMOTION?

I RELY ON FACTS..... I would want to see the reports from the officers WHY DID THEY STOP THIS GUY AND SEARCH HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE, why single him out when hundreds are crossing the border? Even at the Border they have to be selective and they still need PROBABLE CAUSE for a search. Did a drug dog alert? ( dogs will alert even when there are no drugs as the odor lingers) Did they have PRIOR INFORMATION from some source such as EPIC, ie he is a TARGET Or a figure in an ongoing investigation....did the alert come from an INFORMANT?  Did they have knowledge from another agency such as DEA?

So until the case GOES BEFORE A JUDGE in an ASSET FORFEITURE HEARING when the reasons for the initial seizure come to light I'll reserve my judgement and side with Law Enforcement.

WHat would be your tone if we find this guy is one of the many cartel hitmen operating in the USA and is identified as thus on BOTH sides of the border, that's how he got the money to pay $60.000 cash for that shiny new truck, he ditched the gun before crossing the border but forgot a few rounds. 
Evil operates best when under a disguise

WHEN A CRIME GOES UNPUNISHED THE WORLD IS UNBALANCED

WHEN A WRONG IS UNAVENGED THE HEAVENS LOOK DOWN ON US IN SHAME

IMPEACH BIDEN

colt4

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Quote from: colt4 on September 25, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
The U.S. Constitution may be flawed, but it's a whole lot better than what we have now.

Where, specifically?
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Quote from: colt4 on September 25, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
The U.S. Constitution may be flawed, but it's a whole lot better than what we have now.
:biggrin:  :huh:
It's currently flawed? Yet it's better than what we have now?
I don't follow.
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