McCain can't go too much longer. Corker is stepping down. Flake is stepping down. It's like a bunch of RINO lemmings... they just needed to be shown the cliff.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/356920-flake-drops-out-of-senate-race
QuoteSen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) will not run for reelection, The Arizona Republic reported Tuesday, a stunning decision that stems from his high-profile clash with President Trump.
The announcement caught Washington by surprise, even though Flake's repeated criticisms of Trump had thrown serious doubt on whether he could survive a primary challenge against former state Sen. Kelli Ward.
"There may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party," Flake told the paper.
Kudos to Steve Bannon. He scared the crap out of Flake and he does not even have a pair to run. I guess he wants to spend more time with his FAKE Family. Bannon now can focus on some other RINO? Suggestion Lyin Paul RYAN. :biggrin: :thumbsup: :smile:
This was a huge takedown...
Not so fast. All corker and flake have to do now is team with their buddy McCain and kill tax cuts and if that happens dems will own congress and thats the ball game. Senate and house will be democratic if tax cuts dont pass. If they dont pass this year Trump should run as an independent in 2020 and ask everyone voting for him not to cast a down ballot vote for any republican. That will kill the rep party and good riddance.
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Not so fast. All corker and flake have to do now is team with their buddy McCain and kill tax cuts and if that happens dems will own congress and thats the ball game. Senate and house will be democratic if tax cuts dont pass. If they dont pass this year Trump should run as an independent in 2020 and ask everyone voting for him not to cast a down ballot vote for any republican. That will kill the rep party and good riddance.
If they're not in the Senate then they have no say to what legislation is done.
Quote from: taxed on October 24, 2017, 12:53:39 PM
If they're not in the Senate then they have no say to what legislation is done.
They are in the senate thru next year and when dems take over the house and senate in 2018 then no republican will have any say on anything, including tea party reps. Biggest mistake the tea party ever made was staying within the rep party.
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:04:41 PM
They are in the senate thru next year and when dems take over the house and senate in 2018 then no republican will have any say on anything, including tea party reps. Biggest mistake the tea party ever made was staying within the rep party.
You say this bull shit as if there's some secret the rest of the country isn't privy to. Care to back up this shit with some actual proof, or numbers?
Not a request, this is a demand! Do not ignore me, I'm dead serious!
100% chance now dems control congress.
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:10:39 PM
100% chance now dems control congress.
I'm waiting impatiently.
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:04:41 PM
They are in the senate thru next year and when dems take over the house and senate in 2018 then no republican will have any say on anything, including tea party reps. Biggest mistake the tea party ever made was staying within the rep party.
I like the direction change... I'm not as hung up on deadlines.
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:10:39 PM
100% chance now dems control congress.
You're insane. You know that, right?
Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2017, 01:10:25 PM
You say this bull shit as if there's some secret the rest of the country isn't privy to. Care to back up this shit with some actual proof, or numbers?
Not a request, this is a demand! Do not ignore me, I'm dead serious!
Proof of what? I suppose you will demand everyone prove every opinion they have now. No need to fly off the handle because tax cuts arent going to happen now and the reps will lose the senate in a year they should have picked up 4 or 5 seats. By the way, what piece of conservative legislation has passed congress with REPS in CONTROL of congress. Squat.
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:15:10 PM
Proof of what? I suppose you will demand everyone prove every opinion they have now. No need to fly off the handle because tax cuts arent going to happen now and the reps will lose the senate in a year they should have picked up 4 or 5 seats. By the way, what piece of conservative legislation has passed congress with REPS in CONTROL of congress. Squat.
Appointing strong judges, slashing regs, squashing participation in scams like Paris Accord or the Iran deal.... who needs legislation!
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:15:10 PM
Proof of what? I suppose you will demand everyone prove every opinion they have now. No need to fly off the handle because tax cuts arent going to happen now and the reps will lose the senate in a year they should have picked up 4 or 5 seats. By the way, what piece of conservative legislation has passed congress with REPS in CONTROL of congress. Squat.
First off, what you Stated was not formulated as "opinion", that was stated as fact, as in 100%!
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:10:39 PM
100% chance now dems control congress.
What has tax cuts to do with anything? Congress hasn't done one damn thing but block Trump's agenda, and you see this as a bellwether for Dims gaining, umm, anything?
Not doing anything is good for the country, we don't like it when the scum produce anything!
What world are you living on? The base abandoned the Marxist party, they simply haven't the votes to do squat, aside from the fact they haven't changed their failing agenda, they're still running to the left with a split party three ways.
Read this and tell me how the Dim party has a "Snowflakes" chance in Hell of gaining a single seat. Seriously, read it and get back, to me and prove me wrong.
https://conservativehardliner.com/future-democrat-party-2018-and-beyond
This is turning into a nice rout of dems AND RINO's in 2018.
If Trump gets more and more pissed at the RINO's, and Bannon does the outside work, this could take on the gravity of the Reagan era.
Still have to be careful and steady. No time to think we have it made, because we never really do against dems + msm + rinos + hollyweird + communist academia. It's a miracle to be getting the upper hand, but the left has definitely stepped in the shit with antifa, NFL, Weinstein, maxine nancy killery etc.
Quote from: taxed on October 24, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
McCain can't go too much longer. Corker is stepping down. Flake is stepping down. It's like a bunch of RINO lemmings... they just needed to be shown the cliff.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/356920-flake-drops-out-of-senate-race
Great NEWS!!! The only way I think it can be improved upon, is their departure from office TODAY, and a replacement is appointed tomorrow morning.
Imagine AZ turning on a dime from Flake and McCain to 2 decent patriotic Americans. Crazy.
AL will be fun as hell with Moore.
Good times !
Quote from: Hoofer on October 24, 2017, 03:22:33 PM
Great NEWS!!! The only way I think it can be improved upon, is their departure from office TODAY, and a replacement is appointed tomorrow morning.
...and also, Thad Cochran is stepping down. Corker, McCain, Cochran, Flake...
Quote from: taxed on October 24, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
...and also, Thad Cochran is stepping down. Corker, McCain, Cochran, Flake...
At this rate, the RINO has already conceded majority status for the Establishment, leaving Conservatives to finally take over.
Quote from: AndyJackson on October 24, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
This is turning into a nice rout of dems AND RINO's in 2018.
If Trump gets more and more pissed at the RINO's, and Bannon does the outside work, this could take on the gravity of the Reagan era.
Still have to be careful and steady. No time to think we have it made, because we never really do against dems + msm + rinos + hollyweird + communist academia. It's a miracle to be getting the upper hand, but the left has definitely stepped in the shit with antifa, NFL, Weinstein, maxine nancy killery etc.
Can I add the National Felon League to the shit the LIBS,RINOS and DIMS step in? :sneaky: :sneaky:
Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
At this rate, the RINO has already conceded majority status for the Establishment, leaving Conservatives to finally take over.
It's amazing watching who's melting down as their system is getting squeezed...
Sorry overlook the NFL already in your post. My Bad :lol:
Quote from: nzone on October 24, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
Can I add the National Felon League to the shit the LIBS, RINOS and DIMS step in? :sneaky: :sneaky:
All the more reason to keep the Dems out of control - they'd BAIL out the NFL - they're "too big to fail!"
Quote from: taxed on October 24, 2017, 04:06:51 PM
It's amazing watching who's melting down as their system is getting squeezed...
What's the count of those who've announced they're running away scared, as opposed to how many seats we need to pick up?
I think we've hit the midway at this point, which, assuming no Establishment Marxists get elected in their place, we should hold a majority if I'm not mistaken.
This means a new Speaker, one Conservatives can work with and Trump will have actual good Bills to work with.
Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
What's the count of those who've announced they're running away scared, as opposed to how many seats we need to pick up?
I think we've hit the midway at this point, which, assuming no Establishment Marxists get elected in their place, we should hold a majority if I'm not mistaken.
This means a new Speaker, one Conservatives can work with and Trump will have actual good Bills to work with.
Trying to remember who said it, or where I heard it, years ago:
"You can send to Washington anyone you want, even elect the next President - we'll still be running this country."
When they reach the tipping point, they start bailing out like rats - not wanting to work in "THAT environment" anymore.
Trump needs someone who can get those appointees through, quickly. It'll bring that tipping point on, that much sooner.
Quote from: Hoofer on October 24, 2017, 04:36:00 PM
Trying to remember who said it, or where I heard it, years ago:
"You can send to Washington anyone you want, even elect the next President - we'll still be running this country."
When they reach the tipping point, they start bailing out like rats - not wanting to work in "THAT environment" anymore.
Trump needs someone who can get those appointees through, quickly. It'll bring that tipping point on, that much sooner.
Good point! We're seeing and hearing it from the departing RINO Scum already, like Flake whining about Trump and another parting idiot said the party was in serious trouble, though he was referring to Dims taking seats.
But we know that's not gonna happen in the atmosphere they, the leftists created around the country with the help of the gop'E sitting by quietly, through racial division, bashing law enforcement, NFL pissing off the country, and the list is endless.
The RINO is about to become extinct, but the thing about extinct species, they generally had something to offer and are generally missed once they're gone, but not with the leftist RINO, the country says good riddance!
Funny, even the pesky fly or mosquito still has something the world needs, not so with the RINO...
What a flake...
Quote from: taxed on October 24, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
...and also, Thad Cochran is stepping down. Corker, McCain, Cochran, Flake...
Oh no! I'm absolutely heart broken! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: nzone on October 24, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
Kudos to Steve Bannon. He scared the crap out of Flake and he does not even have a pair to run. I guess he wants to spend more time with his FAKE Family. Bannon now can focus on some other RINO? Suggestion Lyin Paul RYAN. :biggrin: :thumbsup: :smile:
No need to concentrate on the House. The "Freedom Caucus" has Ryan under control. The senate is a more target rich environment for RINO's.
Quote from: taxed on October 24, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
...and also, Thad Cochran is stepping down. Corker, McCain, Cochran, Flake...
I'll take my chances on the good folks in MS electing a conservative to replace. Cochran. He has been in office since 1976 and evolved into a GOPe stalwart though the years.
Quote from: supsalemgr on October 25, 2017, 04:22:55 AM
No need to concentrate on the House. The "Freedom Caucus" has Ryan under control. The senate is a more target rich environment for RINO's.
Then why did the "Freedom Caucas" Vote for RYAN as Speaker???? They are not who most think they are but they show well? :wub:
Quote from: nzone on October 25, 2017, 05:12:58 AM
Then why did the "Freedom Caucas" Vote for RYAN as Speaker???? They are not who most think they are but they show well? :wub:
I wasn't happy with that either, but the explanation did make sense, though they were lied to in the end and promises broken.
Keep in mind, the Freedom Caucus, by comparison, is small, but that will all change in 2018 as more and more join in after the defeat of the Establishment RINO.
Quote from: nzone on October 25, 2017, 05:12:58 AM
Then why did the "Freedom Caucas" Vote for RYAN as Speaker???? They are not who most think they are but they show well? :wub:
I agree with Solar's response.
Quote from: supsalemgr on October 25, 2017, 06:20:59 AM
I agree with Solar's response.
Yeah, here was just some of the lies. They were, at the time, in a lose-lose situation, so they did what was best for the party as a whole, show they were all on the same page.
Only to get screwed by the Establishment in the end.
QuoteAmong the things that Ryan promised the members were a return to regular order, changes to the steering committee that decides committee assignments centralizing power in the Speaker's office—Ryan even promised to give up the Speaker's five votes on the committee—and an end to retaliation against Republican members who vote their conscience.
He reiterated his promise made in the full GOP conference on Tuesday of no amnesty bill under President Obama—which conspicuously did not extend to the next president....
There were only two catches to Ryan's litany of promises: first, those present couldn't tell the public what just happened because, Ryan argued, it would infuriate the other side of the House GOP conference. And Ryan would get what he wanted with significant changes to a House rule .... That rule of course allows any member to offer a "motion to vacate the chair" as a privileged resolution—allowing members to, if a Speaker is out of control, as Boehner has been, remove a Speaker from power. Ryan wants to severely undercut the power of rank-and-file members to hold a Speaker accountable with a motion to vacate the chair....
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/supermajority_of_freedom_caucus_supporting_paul_ryan_is_neither_super_nor_free.html
Quote from: supsalemgr on October 25, 2017, 04:22:55 AM
No need to concentrate on the House. The "Freedom Caucus" has Ryan under control. The senate is a more target rich environment for RINO's.
Yes, SWAMP draining is needed big time in the Senate.
Quote from: Solar on October 25, 2017, 06:06:12 AM
I wasn't happy with that either, but the explanation did make sense, though they were lied to in the end and promises broken.
Keep in mind, the Freedom Caucus, by comparison, is small, but that will all change in 2018 as more and more join in after the defeat of the Establishment RINO.
You are 100 % right and hopefully that changes in 2018. However if RYAN is not defeated in his district and wants to be Speaker again IMO they 'Freedom Caucus" will not oppose and justify it somehow. Many said RYAN Lied to them before and he did. "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me". In my opinion they are "controlled opposition" and are allowed to vote and stand up to the others for show and the small things. When the RINOGOPe (RYAN) know they have the votes they let them yell and holler to look like their is opposition. However, when it counts they always fold and go with the RINOGOPe. Been watching them for a long time and it is the same thing every time. JMO :glare:
Quote from: nzone on October 25, 2017, 08:05:33 AM
You are 100 % right and hopefully that changes in 2018. However if RYAN is not defeated in his district and wants to be Speaker again IMO they 'Freedom Caucus" will not oppose and justify it somehow. Many said RYAN Lied to them before and he did. "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me". In my opinion they are "controlled opposition" and are allowed to vote and stand up to the others for show and the small things. When the RINOGOPe (RYAN) know they have the votes they let them yell and holler to look like their is opposition. However, when it counts they always fold and go with the RINOGOPe. Been watching them for a long time and it is the same thing every time. JMO :glare:
Thing is, we don't even have to defeat the Establishment, they're bailing as we speak, and this is only the first ripple of the Tsunami to come.
Quick read.
The Future Of The Democrat Party, 2018 and Beyond
https://conservativehardliner.com/future-democrat-party-2018-and-beyond
Quote from: Solar on October 25, 2017, 09:52:00 AM
Thing is, we don't even have to defeat the Establishment, they're bailing as we speak, and this is only the first ripple of the Tsunami to come.
Quick read.
The Future Of The Democrat Party, 2018 and Beyond
https://conservativehardliner.com/future-democrat-party-2018-and-beyond
All for that! Keep the good news coming and the bailing continues. :thumbup:
Quote from: nzone on October 25, 2017, 10:00:37 AM
All for that! Keep the good news coming and the bailing continues. :thumbup:
Most Dem's will not talk about this.
QuoteLet us not forget, the party lost over 1000 Legislative seats under the Marxist, and for good reason, the country is still majority Conservative. That's a serious mountain for the party to overcome, not to mention when one looks at the election of Trump, the only safe spaces left for the Dim party was along the coasts. The rest of the country voted Right.
More data on the RINO Flake...
http://theresurgent.com/useful-data-to-show-you-that-jeff-flake-beat-jeff-flake-bannon-and-trump-did-not-beat-him/
Quote from: taxed on October 25, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
More data on the RINO Flake...
http://theresurgent.com/useful-data-to-show-you-that-jeff-flake-beat-jeff-flake-bannon-and-trump-did-not-beat-him/
That's the thing, the Establishment is it's own worst enemy, as well as the nations Number One Enemy now, and that's why they're bailing the sinking ship. Flake was too far left for his constituency, he has only, but himself to blame.
Hell, the Establishment just had an 8-year preview of their own future watching the Dim party implode by moving too far left, and even though they saw it, they still insisted on funding all of the Marxists failed socialist programs.
These people are incorrigible, which is why so many are bailing now, knowing what the future holds for the establishment.
Quote from: nzone on October 25, 2017, 10:00:37 AM
All for that! Keep the good news coming and the bailing continues. :thumbup:
BTW Nzone, welcome to Conservative Political Forum! :smile:
Quote from: nzone on October 25, 2017, 10:00:37 AM
All for that! Keep the good news coming and the bailing continues. :thumbup:
Oh yeah, same here, welcome. We sometimes forget to welcome new members after a rash of Trolls, because by that time, all become suspect.
You can in on the end of a run of losers.
So welcome, glad to have you aboard.
Quote from: Solar on October 25, 2017, 10:54:10 AM
Oh yeah, same here, welcome. We sometimes forget to welcome new members after a rash of Trolls, because by that time, all become suspect.
You can in on the end of a run of losers.
So welcome, glad to have you aboard.
Boo left the screen door open again. :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on October 25, 2017, 10:58:06 AM
Boo left the screen door open again. :lol:
What screen door? I come in through the window...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on October 25, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
What screen door? I come in through the window...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on October 25, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
That's the thing, the Establishment is it's own worst enemy, as well as the nations Number One Enemy now, and that's why they're bailing the sinking ship. Flake was too far left for his constituency, he has only, but himself to blame.
Hell, the Establishment just had an 8-year preview of their own future watching the Dim party implode by moving too far left, and even though they saw it, they still insisted on funding all of the Marxists failed socialist programs.
These people are incorrigible, which is why so many are bailing now, knowing what the future holds for the establishment.
They use to call it, "working together, crossing party lines, bi-partisan cooperation, blah-blah-blah".
What you've just identified is the one-party system in DC, with a couple of outsider groups, TEA, Conservatives, Independents, Libertarians and Socialist-Communists (Bernie). The BIG party is the ESTABLISHMENT, comprised of Democrats & Republicans. Everyone else is unwelcome, boat-rocking, outsiders they're trying to keep at bay. I've thought about it a L-O-N-G time, why do supposedly good people go to Washington, and turn into these establishment hacks? Some of them sort of teeter on the fence (Marco Rubio), but we seem to lose the majority of them to the Establishment?
IMO, it boils down to the acquisition of power & the corrupting influence of the money associated with that power. If you want to go anywhere, do anything for an extended period of time, you'll realize quickly, get onboard early with the Establishment, or plan on fighting against 80% of the congress, as "they" marginalize you, the out-sider, kook, fanatic, extreme, fringe, etc..
Case in point, another Democrat flipped to the Republican party. Oh, his name escapes me... he wasn't doing a damn thing to distinguish himself/herself as a Republican, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist - nothing at all. Like a moth to a porch light, he/she saw the way to power is join the Establishment. We're going to call him/her a RINO. He/she is really the Establishment. :mad:
If there is one thing I'm see clearer and clearer each day, reading the wisdom of the standard bearers on this forum, all these little groups are just considered the "fringe groups" which are just outside of the Establishment... slowly trudging away from the Constitution. Republican, Democrat or Independent is irrelevant to the behemoth.
Quote from: Hoofer on October 26, 2017, 05:58:10 AM
They use to call it, "working together, crossing party lines, bi-partisan cooperation, blah-blah-blah".
Exactly Hoofer...
I'm not correcting you here, merely expanding on some points.
Remember, it was always one-sided the last 30 plus years, with the GOP capitulating to the demands of the left.
This really started with Nixon under the direction of Roger Aisles.
QuoteWhat you've just identified is the one-party system in DC, with a couple of outsider groups, TEA, Conservatives, Independents, Libertarians and Socialist-Communists (Bernie). The BIG party is the ESTABLISHMENT, comprised of Democrats & Republicans.
All by leftist design, when the left discovered inroads to the GOP by leveraging corporate power in the form of monied backers.
Now these very same leftist backers that brought the Dim party to the pinnacle of success for such a short time, moved into the GOP as the Establishment.
Yes, they destroyed the Dim party and are now doing the exact same thing to the leftist GOP. And By God, that's a damn good thing because their arrogant incompetence angers the base, who will be taking over the party.
QuoteEveryone else is unwelcome, boat-rocking, outsiders they're trying to keep at bay. I've thought about it a L-O-N-G time, why do supposedly good people go to Washington, and turn into these establishment hacks? Some of them sort of teeter on the fence (Marco Rubio), but we seem to lose the majority of them to the Establishment?
Actually, Rubio was one of these Establishment plants that ran on a TEA platform. But I know what you mean.
QuoteIMO, it boils down to the acquisition of power & the corrupting influence of the money associated with that power. If you want to go anywhere, do anything for an extended period of time, you'll realize quickly, get onboard early with the Establishment, or plan on fighting against 80% of the congress, as "they" marginalize you, the out-sider, kook, fanatic, extreme, fringe, etc..
Case in point, another Democrat flipped to the Republican party. Oh, his name escapes me... he wasn't doing a damn thing to distinguish himself/herself as a Republican, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist - nothing at all. Like a moth to a porch light, he/she saw the way to power is join the Establishment. We're going to call him/her a RINO. He/she is really the Establishment. :mad:
Yep, they pulled the same crap under Newt's leadership, but instead of telling the leftists to take a flying leap, the GOP embraced them with open arms, further watering down the party, as planned all along.
QuoteIf there is one thing I'm see clearer and clearer each day, reading the wisdom of the standard bearers on this forum, all these little groups are just considered the "fringe groups" which are just outside of the Establishment... slowly trudging away from the Constitution. Republican, Democrat or Independent is irrelevant to the behemoth.
But change is on the doorstep come Midterms. All those fringe groups on the Right have one thing in common, they despise Marxists, particularly the ones with an (R) next to their name.
Quote from: Solar on October 26, 2017, 06:28:50 AM
Actually, Rubio was one of these Establishment plants that ran on a TEA platform. But I know what you mean.
A bit of history, when Bob Corker was running initially, I was working in TN, and heard the Radio & TV ads - the guy sounded solid.
I regret a discussion with a co-worker, which I recommended Corker as someone who was not beholden to the beltway "system" and would represent the folks of the Volunteer State... boy, was I ever wrong - or should I say, "boy did he ever lie to us."
Quote from: ldub23 on October 24, 2017, 01:15:10 PM
Proof of what? I suppose you will demand everyone prove every opinion they have now. No need to fly off the handle because tax cuts arent going to happen now and the reps will lose the senate in a year they should have picked up 4 or 5 seats. By the way, what piece of conservative legislation has passed congress with REPS in CONTROL of congress. Squat.
Reply to post #13, or take a timeout. This is a debate forum, not Facebook for ignorant children!