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The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« on: March 12, 2017, 04:47:18 PM »
1. Tort reform:

a. Put limits on the amounts for which medical practitioners can be sued for malpractice.

b. Change the standard of proof required to win a malpractice suit
from "missed the diagnosis, even though it's astronomically rare"
to "failed to comply with normally accepted standards of practice."

2. Include a "right to try" provision - allow terminally ill patients to volunteer to try new remedies.

3. Increase freedom for nutritionists, naturopathic practitioners, etc.
Break the drug companies DEATH GRIP (and I meant to use that term!)
on the approval of remedies.
Many remedies are banned because they ARE safe and effective! 
Much more so than the drug companies' poisons!

4. Make it illegal for drug companies to give bonuses, gifts, vacations, etc. to reward doctors
for overprescribing the companies' drugs,
and for prescribing the new, expensive drugs when old, common drugs will work just fine.

5. Abolish all requirements of what health insurance must cover. 
Don't make men buy pregnancy insurance!
Let all insurance companies offer budget plans for budget customers.

6. Give individuals a 100% tax deduction for health insurance premiums,
whether they buy as individuals or through associations.
Employers already get that deduction when they pay premiums for employees. 
Let individuals have the same deduction.

7. Require that health insurance be portable from one employer to another.
Ban the rejection of an insurance customer for a "pre-existing condition"
if the customer was already covered by health insurance at a previous job.

The insurance industry might want to set up some sort of "pool coverage" for such cases,
or handle it like they handle very large policies, like Lloyd's of London.
The insurance company hires a group of insurance companies
to insure the policy they issue to their customer.

8. Improve the curriculum at medical schools.
They have been corrupted by drug companies.
They teach only how to treat illness using the companies' products.
Have the schools teach nutrition and health maintenance.
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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2017, 08:55:46 PM »
1. Tort reform:

a. Put limits on the amounts for which medical practitioners can be sued for malpractice.

b. Change the standard of proof required to win a malpractice suit
from "missed the diagnosis, even though it's astronomically rare"
to "failed to comply with normally accepted standards of practice."

2. Include a "right to try" provision - allow terminally ill patients to volunteer to try new remedies.

3. Increase freedom for nutritionists, naturopathic practitioners, etc.
Break the drug companies DEATH GRIP (and I meant to use that term!)
on the approval of remedies.
Many remedies are banned because they ARE safe and effective! 
Much more so than the drug companies' poisons!

4. Make it illegal for drug companies to give bonuses, gifts, vacations, etc. to reward doctors
for overprescribing the companies' drugs,
and for prescribing the new, expensive drugs when old, common drugs will work just fine.

5. Abolish all requirements of what health insurance must cover. 
Don't make men buy pregnancy insurance!
Let all insurance companies offer budget plans for budget customers.

6. Give individuals a 100% tax deduction for health insurance premiums,
whether they buy as individuals or through associations.
Employers already get that deduction when they pay premiums for employees. 
Let individuals have the same deduction.

7. Require that health insurance be portable from one employer to another.
Ban the rejection of an insurance customer for a "pre-existing condition"
if the customer was already covered by health insurance at a previous job.

The insurance industry might want to set up some sort of "pool coverage" for such cases,
or handle it like they handle very large policies, like Lloyd's of London.
The insurance company hires a group of insurance companies
to insure the policy they issue to their customer.

8. Improve the curriculum at medical schools.
They have been corrupted by drug companies.
They teach only how to treat illness using the companies' products.
Have the schools teach nutrition and health maintenance.

Now this is good stuff! :thumbsup:


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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2017, 11:00:50 PM »
Here's another idea:

9. Put working hour restrictions on doctors and other medical personnel
similar to those for truck drivers.
Don't let hospitals make doctors work 24 hour shifts!

Seriously!  Sometimes hospitals do that!
They're ASKING for mistakes to be made!

Allow the restrictions to be waived for disaster response activities.

Allow doctors and other medical personnel to work part time
when they're elderly.
That would relieve some of the personnel shortage.
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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 03:08:02 AM »
most of all....Extend ACROSS STATE LINES ESPECIALLY BORDER OR TRI STATE AREAS!!!!!!!!
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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 07:25:57 AM »


a. Put limits on the amounts for which medical practitioners can be sued for malpractice.



I respectfully disagree big time. Doctors need to be held accountable for their actions plan and simple.  The only way to do that is in the court of law. Way to many of them get away from being sued. Way to many my friend.

Here in Georgia you can't sue a doctor no matter what if you don't have another doctor saying their is malpractice. 99% of the time other doctors will not see you for fear of the liability. They are afraid they will be dragged into court.

It's almost impossible to sue for malpractice which in return gives a license to incompetent doctors to acted in a reckless manner. Not only should they be sued for huge amounts they should be put in prison.

Also it's so damn hard to sue doctors that lawyers charge 50% if the case goes to trail. So IMO you can knock #2 off your list. Other wise i'm with you.
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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2017, 10:10:42 AM »
I respectfully disagree big time. Doctors need to be held accountable for their actions plan and simple.  The only way to do that is in the court of law. Way to many of them get away from being sued. Way to many my friend.

Here in Georgia you can't sue a doctor no matter what if you don't have another doctor saying their is malpractice. 99% of the time other doctors will not see you for fear of the liability. They are afraid they will be dragged into court.

It's almost impossible to sue for malpractice which in return gives a license to incompetent doctors to acted in a reckless manner. Not only should they be sued for huge amounts they should be put in prison.

Also it's so damn hard to sue doctors that lawyers charge 50% if the case goes to trail. So IMO you can knock #2 off your list. Other wise i'm with you.
What do all these difficulties with mounting a malpractice lawsuit (in Georgia) have to do with limiting how much one can sue for?  If the system in place makes it difficult or impossible to file a malpractice suit because the victim cannot get corroborating testimony from other doctors, where is the difference whether they are suing for ten thousand or ten million? Seems to me your problems in Georgia have less to do with the size of awards, and more to do with other obstacles put in place. Also, if a doctor's actions were, indeed, "reckless" such that the idea slamming them with a huge monetary penalty seems justified, perhaps tort reform could/should include modifications to reckless endangerment laws so they CAN be held criminally, as well as civilly responsible.

Bottom line is, no matter how much some doctors need to be "held accountable" (and there are many such out there, I will in no way deny), malpractice awards have gotten out of hand. Most specialists are paying more in malpractice insurance than any five of us make annually. Wonder why a cardiac surgeon charges $500 for a 10 minute follow-up visit to a patient? They have these HUGE bills to pay, because malpractice insurance companies find themselves shelling out ridiculous amounts to cover lawsuits. Curb the size of awards, malpractice insurance comes down as a result, which means lower costs to medical providers which they then pass on to the patients - which, in turn means lower health insurance costs for everyone.

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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2017, 12:28:11 PM »
What do all these difficulties with mounting a malpractice lawsuit (in Georgia) have to do with limiting how much one can sue for?  If the system in place makes it difficult or impossible to file a malpractice suit because the victim cannot get corroborating testimony from other doctors, where is the difference whether they are suing for ten thousand or ten million? Seems to me your problems in Georgia have less to do with the size of awards, and more to do with other obstacles put in place. Also, if a doctor's actions were, indeed, "reckless" such that the idea slamming them with a huge monetary penalty seems justified, perhaps tort reform could/should include modifications to reckless endangerment laws so they CAN be held criminally, as well as civilly responsible.

Bottom line is, no matter how much some doctors need to be "held accountable" (and there are many such out there, I will in no way deny), malpractice awards have gotten out of hand. Most specialists are paying more in malpractice insurance than any five of us make annually. Wonder why a cardiac surgeon charges $500 for a 10 minute follow-up visit to a patient? They have these HUGE bills to pay, because malpractice insurance companies find themselves shelling out ridiculous amounts to cover lawsuits. Curb the size of awards, malpractice insurance comes down as a result, which means lower costs to medical providers which they then pass on to the patients - which, in turn means lower health insurance costs for everyone.

Well my point is if you can get a malpractice law case to the courts how the hell are you going to award a judgement from the courts.....?

Now to address the award. If the doctor takes  away your the ability for you earn a living wage they should be paying out millions and millions of dollars for their neglect.
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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 03:26:09 PM »
1. Tort reform:

a. Put limits on the amounts for which medical practitioners can be sued for malpractice.

b. Change the standard of proof required to win a malpractice suit
from "missed the diagnosis, even though it's astronomically rare"
to "failed to comply with normally accepted standards of practice."

2. Include a "right to try" provision - allow terminally ill patients to volunteer to try new remedies.

3. Increase freedom for nutritionists, naturopathic practitioners, etc.
Break the drug companies DEATH GRIP (and I meant to use that term!)
on the approval of remedies.
Many remedies are banned because they ARE safe and effective! 
Much more so than the drug companies' poisons!

4. Make it illegal for drug companies to give bonuses, gifts, vacations, etc. to reward doctors
for overprescribing the companies' drugs,
and for prescribing the new, expensive drugs when old, common drugs will work just fine.

5. Abolish all requirements of what health insurance must cover. 
Don't make men buy pregnancy insurance!
Let all insurance companies offer budget plans for budget customers.

6. Give individuals a 100% tax deduction for health insurance premiums,
whether they buy as individuals or through associations.
Employers already get that deduction when they pay premiums for employees. 
Let individuals have the same deduction.

7. Require that health insurance be portable from one employer to another.
Ban the rejection of an insurance customer for a "pre-existing condition"
if the customer was already covered by health insurance at a previous job.

The insurance industry might want to set up some sort of "pool coverage" for such cases,
or handle it like they handle very large policies, like Lloyd's of London.
The insurance company hires a group of insurance companies
to insure the policy they issue to their customer.

8. Improve the curriculum at medical schools.
They have been corrupted by drug companies.
They teach only how to treat illness using the companies' products.
Have the schools teach nutrition and health maintenance.

This is why i oppose the Ryan plan now. Alot  of this stuff is supposed to get done  in the 2nd and 3rd wave, which will of  course never  happen.

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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 05:43:20 PM »
I respectfully disagree big time. Doctors need to be held accountable for their actions plan and simple.  The only way to do that is in the court of law. Way to many of them get away from being sued. Way to many my friend.

Here in Georgia you can't sue a doctor no matter what if you don't have another doctor saying their is malpractice. 99% of the time other doctors will not see you for fear of the liability. They are afraid they will be dragged into court.

It's almost impossible to sue for malpractice which in return gives a license to incompetent doctors to acted in a reckless manner. Not only should they be sued for huge amounts they should be put in prison.

Also it's so damn hard to sue doctors that lawyers charge 50% if the case goes to trail. So IMO you can knock #2 off your list. Other wise i'm with you.

About ten or fifteen years ago, Ohio tried to pass a bill to limit lawsuit awards.
The bill set the limits too low, and did not pass.
The bill had a limit for a half million dollars for loss of life.
If the limit was more like five million, I could have agreed with it.

Georgia has some very "pro vested interest" laws.
A realtor friend of mine move to Georgia.
She told me that, in Georgia,
you could buy a house,
make every mortgage payment for thirty years,
be late on the last payment,
and the bank could foreclose on your house
and not give you one cent for the equity you put in.
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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2017, 06:13:05 PM »
This is why i oppose the Ryan plan now. Alot  of this stuff is supposed to get done  in the 2nd and 3rd wave, which will of  course never  happen.
I understand they may have a real problem in the next committee with 7 conservative 3 from the freedom caucus! 4 republican no votes with the dims and the bill will die! Will they have the balls to go against the leadership? :popcorn: :popcorn:

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Re: The health care bill NEEDS to have...
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2017, 07:01:20 PM »
I understand they may have a real problem in the next committee with 7 conservative 3 from the freedom caucus! 4 republican no votes with the dims and the bill will die! Will they have the balls to go against the leadership? :popcorn: :popcorn:
I'm loving this because, for the RINO, it's come down to a representation of their power in the party, if they lose this, the Conservative Caucus will go in for the kill and the RINO know it.
They crossed Trump and Trump knows where his allies are at the moment and it's not with the Marxist Establishment.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2017, 07:07:25 PM »
I'm loving this because, for the RINO, it's come down to a representation of their power in the party, if they lose this, the Conservative Caucus will go in for the kill and the RINO know it.
They crossed Trump and Trump knows where his allies are at the moment and it's not with the Marxist Establishment.
The health care bill NEEDS to have...the government not involved, state or federal.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2017, 07:39:03 PM »
The health care bill NEEDS to have...the government not involved, state or federal.
Actually the correct answer is. There should be no bill whatsoeve, let the POS die on the vine and stay the Hell out of the private sector.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2017, 03:03:16 PM »
Well my point is if you can get a malpractice law case to the courts how the hell are you going to award a judgement from the courts.....?

Now to address the award. If the doctor takes  away your the ability for you earn a living wage they should be paying out millions and millions of dollars for their neglect.
Sometimes it isn't neglect. Sometimes - no matter what we've come ro expect of modern medicine - it's simply an adverse outcome.
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