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Title: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 05:21:20 AM
And you can thank the Union...

Twinkies Maker Hostess Going Out of Business
"We deeply regret the necessity of today's decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike," CEO says


"We deeply regret the necessity of today's decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike," Hostess CEO Gregory F. Rayburn said in announcing that the firm had filed a motion with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court to shutter its business. "Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders."

Hostess Brands Inc. had warned employees that it would file to unwind its business and sell off assets if plant operations didn't return to normal levels by 5 p.m. Thursday. In announcing its decision, Hostess said its wind down would mean the closure of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes and 570 bakery outlet stores in the United States.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html)
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 05:46:45 AM
It's a government/union conspiracy to keep the masses from storing food that could last forever!

Tomato Vs. Twinkie Time Lapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=588hZ-kU10U#ws)
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 05:47:47 AM
The unions really showed them who's boss. Way to go. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 05:50:22 AM
Seriously though, this is how ONE product from ONE company can lead to a loss of THOUSANDS of supporting jobs.  Liberals will not see the connection between Obama's policies and mass unemployment that's coming

QuoteHostess said its wind down would mean the closure of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes and 570 bakery outlet stores in the United States.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 05:52:10 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 05:47:47 AM
The unions really showed them who's boss. Way to go. :thumbup:
And they used the best marksman to shoot themselves squarely in the foot....
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: JustKari on November 16, 2012, 05:53:18 AM
A friend of mine posted about this a Facebook and one of her lib friends replied "It's a great day for the health of Americas youth.". The snarky part of me wanted to reply, "yes, a food corporation should go out of business to prevent you from having to say no to your kids."  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 06:00:04 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2012, 05:52:10 AM
And they used the best marksman to shoot themselves squarely in the foot....

One word......................GREECE.

It's only a matter of time until these union members take to the streets. It's either that, or get rid of the unions.

There are millions of Americans that would be happy to have a job that paid $13-$15 an hour............with or without benefits. Unfortunately, with Obamacare in the mix, even this will be impossible. Closing down will be the only option left for many companies. This is just the tip of the iceberg. It looks a lot like the iceberg that sunk the unsinkable Titanic. :scared:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: JustKari on November 16, 2012, 06:02:56 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 06:00:04 AM
One word......................GREECE.

It's only a matter of time until these union members take to the streets. It's either that, or get rid of the unions.

There are millions of Americans that would be happy to have a job that paid $13-$15 an hour............with or without benefits. Unfortunately, with Obamacare in the mix, even this will be impossible. Closing down will be the only option left for many companies. This is just the tip of the iceberg. It looks a lot like the iceberg that sunk the unsinkable Titanic. :scared:

America is a lot like the Titanic, except on November 6, America voted to back up and hit the iceberg again for good measure.   :sad:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 06:13:39 AM

About 35 years ago I was working for a private investigative company, I got a call from the Sacramento branch of Hostess, they had a serious theft issue.
After reviewing to situation, the only avenue was to go under cover, the guy in charge said I needed another option, there was no way to get me inside, I questioned why, he said the Union needed to approve any new hires.
I said have me come in as mechanical upgrade specialist, he said they have that covered as well, janitor I said? Covered.
Point is, they could not create a way to even get me in the facility without involving the union.

It's sad when the parasite has the last word on what it's host does.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 06:18:18 AM
Refuse a 8% pay cut, so now they take a 100% pay cut.  These idiots will never find jobs today that will pay that well again.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 06:21:06 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 06:18:18 AM
Refuse a 8% pay cut, so now they take a 100% pay cut.  These idiots will never find jobs today that will pay that well again.

They won't find jobs, period. I wonder if union dues is automatically deducted from unemployment checks? It should be.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 08:27:07 AM
They're just an evil corporation that needed to be brought down as example to other greedy corporate entities.

Hows that Just the facts mamm, that about cover it? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: taxed on November 16, 2012, 09:41:39 AM
Wow.

I think I see the game plan.  Unions squeeze the company, the start to fold, and Hussein comes in with a bailout to save the day.  They may let Hostess go down, but this seems like it's going to be the new squeeze play.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 16, 2012, 05:21:20 AM
And you can thank the Union...

Twinkies Maker Hostess Going Out of Business
"We deeply regret the necessity of today's decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike," CEO says


"We deeply regret the necessity of today's decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike," Hostess CEO Gregory F. Rayburn said in announcing that the firm had filed a motion with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court to shutter its business. "Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders."

Hostess Brands Inc. had warned employees that it would file to unwind its business and sell off assets if plant operations didn't return to normal levels by 5 p.m. Thursday. In announcing its decision, Hostess said its wind down would mean the closure of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes and 570 bakery outlet stores in the United States.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html)

So, I guess the only place you'll be able to find Twinkies now is in San Francisco... :laugh:

Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: taxed on November 16, 2012, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:46:12 AM


So, I guess the only place you'll be able to find Twinkies now is in San Francisco... :laugh:

...and I don't think you want THAT type of cream filling!
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: taxed on November 16, 2012, 09:47:02 AM
...and I don't think you want THAT type of cream filling!

Ewwwww...
Title: Obama to the Rescue!
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
Obama to the Rescue!

A new White House petition wants President Obama to nationalize ( and the Left tells us he's not a Socialist  :lol:) the "Twinkie industry," saving the popular junk food from possible extinction.

"We the undersigned, hereby request Barack Obama to immediately Nationalize the Twinkie industry and prevent our nation from losing her sweet creamy center," a petition on the White House "We the People" website requests.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/petition-wants-obama-to-save-twinkies-149789.html (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/petition-wants-obama-to-save-twinkies-149789.html)
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 16, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
State controlled Twinkies...

We are pathetic.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 12:32:18 PM
Am I wrong? It looks like OBAMA created a petition that HE wants you to sign giving him authority to take over the twinkie industry.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 12:32:18 PM
Am I wrong? It looks like OBAMA created a petition that HE wants you to sign giving him authority to take over the twinkie industry.
It certainly looks that way since "We The People" website is controlled by the WH, and they are the ones sponsoring the petition.
But I imagine anyone can start any kind of petition they want.
I wonder if I could start one asking for Husein's resignation, and how long it would stay up, or even post?
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 01:20:06 PM
 :thumbsup:  Great idea! If you don't do it, I'll try later this evening.

I stopped to by gas this afternoon, and bought a twinkie--first one I've had in decades.
Title: Re: Obama to the Rescue!
Post by: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
Obama to the Rescue!

A new White House petition wants President Obama to nationalize ( and the Left tells us he's not a Socialist  :lol:) the "Twinkie industry," saving the popular junk food from possible extinction.

"We the undersigned, hereby request Barack Obama to immediately Nationalize the Twinkie industry and prevent our nation from losing her sweet creamy center," a petition on the White House "We the People" website requests.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/petition-wants-obama-to-save-twinkies-149789.html (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/petition-wants-obama-to-save-twinkies-149789.html)

I'm sorry, Mr. President, but nationalizing the snack food industry, like nationalizing 2/3rd of the automobile industry is not among the enumerated powers granted to you by the Constitution of the United States.

Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 01:20:06 PM
:thumbsup:  Great idea! If you don't do it, I'll try later this evening.

I stopped to by gas this afternoon, and bought a twinkie--first one I've had in decades.
Go ahead, then post it as breaking news here with a link, then submit it to Drudge. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 16, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
Well if Obama does nationalize, and your Twinkies start to taste funny; that's because they'll now be made with gluten free whole grains, and filled with fat free soya filling! Yum!  :blink:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
There is already a petition to impeach the Chosen One.  I know it won't go anywhere, but the voices need to be out there.  MILLIONS should sign it.  Without signatures, he can claim his "mandate."  Let the world know we oppose him. I just did.  Here's the link:

http://wh.gov/9ymN

You will have to create a user account, but please don't let that stop you.  Remember John Hancock?  If you want, just create a new gmail or yahoo or mail.com address (I did).  It takes 5 minutes but it's well worth it.  Spread the link around -- EVERYWHERE!

It's already over 30k.

Quote"There, I guess King George will be able to read that.--John Hancock (Remark on signing American Declaration of Independence)"
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
There is already a petition to impeach the Chosen One.  I know it won't go anywhere, but the voices need to be out there.  MILLIONS should sign it.  Without signatures, he can claim his "mandate."  Let the world know we oppose him. I just did.  Here's the link:

http://wh.gov/9ymN

You will have to create a user account, but please don't let that stop you.  Remember John Hancock?  If you want, just create a new gmail or yahoo or mail.com address (I did).  It takes 5 minutes but it's well worth it.  Spread the link around -- EVERYWHERE!

It's already over 30k.

Let's see... Add my name to a White House database made up of all the people who want Obama impeached?

Why do I think that isn't really a smart thing to do?

Am I paranoid - yes.

If you're not paranoid you're not paying attention!
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
There is already a petition to impeach the Chosen One.  I know it won't go anywhere, but the voices need to be out there.  MILLIONS should sign it.  Without signatures, he can claim his "mandate."  Let the world know we oppose him. I just did.  Here's the link:

http://wh.gov/9ymN

You will have to create a user account, but please don't let that stop you.  Remember John Hancock?  If you want, just create a new gmail or yahoo or mail.com address (I did).  It takes 5 minutes but it's well worth it.  Spread the link around -- EVERYWHERE!

It's already over 30k.
Excellent! Already have one from signing other petitions.
Feel free to start a new thread on Impeach Obama and post the link.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 02:47:19 PM
Let's see... Add my name to a White House database made up of all the people who want Obama impeached?

Why do I think that isn't really a smart thing to do?

Am I paranoid - yes.

If you're not paranoid you're not paying attention!

Sad.  Just sad.  I "worry" (I really don't) more about angering Muslims with my avatar.  :lol:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: BILLY Defiant on November 16, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
Twinkies are done for if Doomberg has anything to say about it...they go the way of the 16 Oz coke.

We're so beyond stupid.....

Billy
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 16, 2012, 03:05:03 PM
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 16, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
Twinkies are done for if Doomberg has anything to say about it...they go the way of the 16 Oz coke.

We're so beyond stupid.....


Billy
:laugh:
Sad/Funny but true...
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: keyboarder on November 16, 2012, 06:15:55 PM
I didn't watch stupid Big Bird and i couldn't stand those gritty, sugary twinkies or those gummy cup cakes.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 08:28:24 PM
Twinkies are sugary (in a good way), but not gritty.  I will miss them--even though I had my first one today, in decades.  I HATE what the Teamsters did to this company.  There were a few who wanted to work, but the bullying of these thugs prevented them, and now everybody loses! :cursing:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 17, 2012, 05:32:09 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 08:28:24 PM
Twinkies are sugary (in a good way), but not gritty.  I will miss them--even though I had my first one today, in decades.  I HATE what the Teamsters did to this company.  There were a few who wanted to work, but the bullying of these thugs prevented them, and now everybody loses! :cursing:

I'm going to buy about 3 boxes, considering they can survive a nuclear holocaust, they should be fresh in 20 years when I put them on Craigslist.
Those dying for a Twinkie will pay anything. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 05:52:28 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2012, 05:32:09 AM
I'm going to buy about 3 boxes, considering they can survive a nuclear holocaust, they should be fresh in 20 years when I put them on Craigslist.
Those dying for a Twinkie will pay anything. :biggrin:
Never did like Twinkies, but I would devour whole boxes of Zingers!
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 17, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 05:52:28 AM
Never did like Twinkies, but I would devour whole boxes of Zingers!
Same here, as a kid I loved them, but my teen tears wanted nothing to do with them, but chocolate? :drool:

Notice how the libs have avoided this thread?
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 09:52:03 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
Same here, as a kid I loved them, but my teen tears wanted nothing to do with them, but chocolate? :drool:

Notice how the libs have avoided this thread?
How do they declare their love of the junk food, with out bad mouthing their beloved unions?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Elfie on November 17, 2012, 10:21:12 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 17, 2012, 09:52:03 AM
How do they declare their love of the junk food, with out bad mouthing their beloved unions?  :laugh:
lolol,,, that would mean they would have to admit that they do actually kill off businesses and jobs to... Keep payin the dues,,,, yea yeaaaaaaaa.   Isnt Wonderbread gonna be part of this closure also? Ricky Bobby types are gonna be real mad about that...
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: JustKari on November 17, 2012, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
Same here, as a kid I loved them, but my teen tears wanted nothing to do with them, but chocolate? :drool:

Notice how the libs have avoided this thread?

Anyone else see the tragic irony in the fact that pot was made legal in two states and hostess went down the tubes within two weeks time?  :toungsmile:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: taxed on November 17, 2012, 12:00:35 PM
Congratulations to the union employees on their victory over Hostess!  You guys really showed them!!
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 17, 2012, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: JustKari on November 17, 2012, 11:51:56 AM
Anyone else see the tragic irony in the fact that pot was made legal in two states and hostess went down the tubes within two weeks time?  :toungsmile:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Well played....
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: JustKari on November 17, 2012, 11:51:56 AM
Anyone else see the tragic irony in the fact that pot was made legal in two states and hostess went down the tubes within two weeks time?  :toungsmile:

I didn't see it.

That is too funny. :lol:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 07:43:06 AM
Quote from: JustKari on November 17, 2012, 11:51:56 AM
Anyone else see the tragic irony in the fact that pot was made legal in two states and hostess went down the tubes within two weeks time?  :toungsmile:
Yeah, Hostess was about to make a big comeback............and they missed it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 18, 2012, 09:03:22 AM
George Will, today, says someone will buy the company in bankruptcy and start over with as non-union workforce in another state.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 18, 2012, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 18, 2012, 09:03:22 AM
George Will, today, says someone will buy the company in bankruptcy and start over with as non-union workforce in another state.
I think he might be right, everything I've read about this points toward a possible buyout of certain brands, including Twinkie.
The CEO said he was hopeful, but said with a snack mkt over saturated with competition, he didn't hold out much hope.

One bright side in all of this, is the striking workers most likely won't be able to draw unemployment bennies, the union will have to cough up that money. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 18, 2012, 09:03:22 AM
George Will, today, says someone will buy the company in bankruptcy and start over with as non-union workforce in another state.

Or the different units will be sold individually. The plant in NC is closing, but NC is a right to work state. Once the bankruptcy is complete, somebody could have this plant up and running the next day, with no union involvement.

Whether Obama and the unions like it or not, as jobs become more and more scarce, I think we are going to see a continuing decline in union membership and control. The union workers are not going to sit back and watch their jobs evaporate and companies continue to close because they can no longer afford to pay them fat pensions. From the workers standpoint, it doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 09:14:44 AM
Or the different units will be sold individually. The plant in NC is closing, but NC is a right to work state. Once the bankruptcy is complete, somebody could have this plant up and running the next day, with no union involvement.

Whether Obama and the unions like it or not, as jobs become more and more scarce, I think we are going to see a continuing decline in union membership and control. The union workers are not going to sit back and watch their jobs evaporate and companies continue to close because they can no longer afford to pay them fat pensions. From the workers standpoint, it doesn't make any sense.
You're assuming that they won't just believe they have enough political pull to either, make the companies continue to pay, or use tax dollars to keep the plants going. The one big fact at the center of industrialized assembly line labor, which none  of the unions never seem to recognize; is that it was designed for unskilled labor. ANYONE with a bare minimum of training can do it. That's the weakness at the heart of unions in those industries. The interesting thing is, that over the years, as the companies have tried to change the work rules; to make the jobs more complex, more difficult - and less mind numbingly boring - the unions have fought them tooth and nail. They forced the workers to be human robots - that often end up being replaced by real robots.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 10:56:06 AM
You're assuming that they won't just believe they have enough political pull to either, make the companies continue to pay, or use tax dollars to keep the plants going. The one big fact at the center of industrialized assembly line labor, which none  of the unions never seem to recognize; is that it was designed for unskilled labor. ANYONE with a bare minimum of training can do it. That's the weakness at the heart of unions in those industries. The interesting thing is, that over the years, as the companies have tried to change the work rules; to make the jobs more complex, more difficult - and less mind numbingly boring - the unions have fought them tooth and nail. They forced the workers to be human robots - that often end up being replaced by real robots.

I don't think any of them have enough political pull to force companies to continue to pay.............especially if the companies have to operate at negative profit. They'll just close.

I think at some point, people are just going to have to get used to the fact that some jobs don't pay very well. Nor are the companies responsible for paying low skilled labor the same wages as highly skilled labor. Rather than going on strike, they should be taking courses that will make them more valuable to future employers.

I see that Walmart employees are planning a Black Friday strike...................they want more.

I don't get it. I'm sure that their compensation was explained to them before they took the jobs, but they hired on anyway, and now want more stuff than what they signed up for.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Murph on November 18, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
What the left wnts to see everybody doing come 2016:
Talking on Obamaphone
Driving Obamacar
Getting Obama-medication
Eating Obamatwinky
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 12:03:43 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 11:56:40 AM
I don't think any of them have enough political pull to force companies to continue to pay.............especially if the companies have to operate at negative profit. They'll just close.

I think at some point, people are just going to have to get used to the fact that some jobs don't pay very well. Nor are the companies responsible for paying low skilled labor the same wages as highly skilled labor. Rather than going on strike, they should be taking courses that will make them more valuable to future employers.

I see that Walmart employees are planning a Black Friday strike...................they want more.

I don't get it. I'm sure that their compensation was explained to them before they took the jobs, but they hired on anyway, and now want more stuff than what they signed up for.
Because their unions have feed them the line for 80 years that they could always get them more. Unfortunately for them, the special circumstances that occurred after the WW2 made that lie seem reasonable. And the workers have simply refused to recognize that times have changed.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 12:03:43 PM
Because their unions have feed them the line for 80 years that they could always get them more. Unfortunately for them, the special circumstances that occurred after the WW2 made that lie seem reasonable. And the workers have simply refused to recognize that times have changed.

I know people that have done very, very well working within unions.

One guy is an electrician. He retired at about 50. He's loaded. Last year, he and his wife went on an African safari. This year they are up in Canada on an all inclusive moose hunting trip. In between, they go on long range fishing trips down in Mexico, South America, etc.

I'm happy for him, but holy cow. He was just a regular electrician........pulling wires and stuff. It's no wonder that everything in the US is so expensive. :scared:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 18, 2012, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 12:14:04 PM
I know people that have done very, very well working within unions.

One guy is an electrician. He retired at about 50. He's loaded. Last year, he and his wife went on an African safari. This year they are up in Canada on an all inclusive moose hunting trip. In between, they go on long range fishing trips down in Mexico, South America, etc.

I'm happy for him, but holy cow. He was just a regular electrician........pulling wires and stuff. It's no wonder that everything in the US is so expensive. :scared:
LOL!!!
I have a similar story, one of my customers has a million dollar property with 7000 sq' home, swimming pool indoors, heated of course, bought a 20 thousand dollar solar water pumping system from me for his lake.

I asked how he acquired such a nice piece, he said he pulled wire as an electrician for the state of Ca. :scared:

The guy was no electrician, believe me, he was a glorified wire puller, basically a laborer, but this state is so screwed up that the guy got way overpaid.
His story is repeated throughout the state.
And people wonder why were broke? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 18, 2012, 12:27:50 PM
LOL!!!
I have a similar story, one of my customers has a million dollar property with 7000 sq' home, swimming pool indoors, heated of course, bought a 20 thousand dollar solar water pumping system from me for his lake.

I asked how he acquired such a nice piece, he said he pulled wire as an electrician for the state of Ca. :scared:

The guy was no electrician, believe me, he was a glorified wire puller, basically a laborer, but this state is so screwed up that the guy got way overpaid.
His story is repeated throughout the state.
And people wonder why were broke? :rolleyes:

I have a cousin up in Mich who's ex husband worked for GM. Not a real bright guy. He worked the line doing something like installing glove compartments. Same deal.
He's probably been retired for 20 years, and from what I hear, he is flush with piles of money, big house, the whole 9 yards. It must be nice. I can't blame them for not wanting to give up the lifestyle.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 18, 2012, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 01:20:19 PM
I have a cousin up in Mich who's ex husband worked for GM. Not a real bright guy. He worked the line doing something like installing glove compartments. Same deal.
He's probably been retired for 20 years, and from what I hear, he is flush with piles of money, big house, the whole 9 yards. It must be nice. I can't blame them for not wanting to give up the lifestyle.
I don't fault them in the least, they are merely a symptom of the disease infecting America, Unions!
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 18, 2012, 01:20:19 PM
I have a cousin up in Mich who's ex husband worked for GM. Not a real bright guy. He worked the line doing something like installing glove compartments. Same deal.
He's probably been retired for 20 years, and from what I hear, he is flush with piles of money, big house, the whole 9 yards. It must be nice. I can't blame them for not wanting to give up the lifestyle.
One of the reasons GM can't get out of the hole is that they are paying more in labor costs to retirees, than they are to their current workforce. And short of going bankrupt, which cancels the contracts, there's nothing they can do about it. They could replace their entire workforce with robots tomorrow, and they still couldn't get out from under those old contracts.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 18, 2012, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 18, 2012, 04:44:29 PM
One of the reasons GM can't get out of the hole is that they are paying more in labor costs to retirees, than they are to their current workforce. And short of going bankrupt, which cancels the contracts, there's nothing they can do about it. They could replace their entire workforce with robots tomorrow, and they still couldn't get out from under those old contracts.
That is the biggest failure of the bailouts. They never address the actual problem. We used to have a booming steal industry but the unions killed it.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: taxed on November 18, 2012, 11:56:21 PM
Where is Harry........  I need someone to hold me......
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 19, 2012, 06:02:42 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 18, 2012, 07:53:08 PM
That is the biggest failure of the bailouts. They never address the actual problem. We used to have a booming steal industry but the unions killed it.
That's the facts, yet the left has taught an entirely new generation that is was evil corporations and crony Capitalism that was to blame.
And these idiots believe it, even Trumka played that very card the other day, he said Twinkie failed because of Bain style crony capitalism.

How can we win, when we have fools that actually believe that bull shit?
The more ignorant masses the left pumps out of the school system, the more ground we lose.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 19, 2012, 06:47:42 AM

Mexican Twinkies and non union workers?
As long as it's made in the US....

But the big question is whether the same problems that haunted Hostess – high sugar prices tied to US trade tariffs, changing consumer tastes, and union pushback against labor concessions – will squeeze whatever profit is left in the brands.

Especially if a Mexican buyer is involved, production may go the way of the Brach's and Fannie May candy concerns: south of the border. With US sugar tariffs set artificially high to protect Florida sugar-growing concerns, a non-unionized shop with access to lower-priced sugar in Mexico could be the Twinkie lifeline, economists suggest.

On the other hand, if Hostess' problem is its legacy delivery system, which is what University of Maryland economist Peter Morici suspects, Bimbo may be able to squeeze profits out of the supply chain while still making Twinkies in the US, albeit probably not in union shops.

"It may well be that other US producers step into the void and expand their US production, in which case the Hostess liquidation might not be a total loss," says Chris Edwards, an economist with the conservative Cato Institute.

For now, the future of 18,500 Hostess jobs are up in the air, and many may never return. As for the Twinkie? It looks like it actually is indestructible.
http://news.yahoo.com/twinkie-return-mexican-expat-180426682.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CfcOqpQgngARuLQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/twinkie-return-mexican-expat-180426682.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CfcOqpQgngARuLQtDMD)
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 19, 2012, 06:47:42 AM
Mexican Twinkies and non union workers?
As long as it's made in the US....

But the big question is whether the same problems that haunted Hostess – high sugar prices tied to US trade tariffs, changing consumer tastes, and union pushback against labor concessions – will squeeze whatever profit is left in the brands.

Especially if a Mexican buyer is involved, production may go the way of the Brach's and Fannie May candy concerns: south of the border. With US sugar tariffs set artificially high to protect Florida sugar-growing concerns, a non-unionized shop with access to lower-priced sugar in Mexico could be the Twinkie lifeline, economists suggest.

On the other hand, if Hostess' problem is its legacy delivery system, which is what University of Maryland economist Peter Morici suspects, Bimbo may be able to squeeze profits out of the supply chain while still making Twinkies in the US, albeit probably not in union shops.

"It may well be that other US producers step into the void and expand their US production, in which case the Hostess liquidation might not be a total loss," says Chris Edwards, an economist with the conservative Cato Institute.

For now, the future of 18,500 Hostess jobs are up in the air, and many may never return. As for the Twinkie? It looks like it actually is indestructible.
http://news.yahoo.com/twinkie-return-mexican-expat-180426682.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CfcOqpQgngARuLQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/twinkie-return-mexican-expat-180426682.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CfcOqpQgngARuLQtDMD)

They should be in a Union Hall looking for a Union hand out as there should be no unemployment checks for them.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 19, 2012, 09:12:16 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 08:30:28 AM
They should be in a Union Hall looking for a Union hand out as there should be no unemployment checks for them.
Most states have laws against striking and drawing unemployment, so yes, they will be tapping the union funds. :laugh:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: walkstall on November 19, 2012, 09:27:28 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 19, 2012, 09:12:16 AM
Most states have laws against striking and drawing unemployment, so yes, they will be tapping the union funds. :laugh:


Sorry
They gave it all to the executive board and the Dem's.  :ohmy:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: jksr1 on November 20, 2012, 04:49:56 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 08:28:24 PM
Twinkies are sugary (in a good way), but not gritty.  I will miss them--even though I had my first one today, in decades.  I HATE what the Teamsters did to this company.  There were a few who wanted to work, but the bullying of these thugs prevented them, and now everybody loses! :cursing:
You mean what the CEOs did to the company. Just saying.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 20, 2012, 05:22:24 AM
Quote from: jksr1 on November 20, 2012, 04:49:56 AM
You mean what the CEOs did to the company. Just saying.
If by that, you mean letting the union dictate terms, you would be correct.
This is what happens when business can't keep unions inline.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: JustKari on November 20, 2012, 09:18:32 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 20, 2012, 05:22:24 AM
If by that, you mean letting the union dictate terms, you would be correct.
This is what happens when business can't keep unions inline.
Exactly, two unions were in play here (I know, can you imagine paying two sets of dues, etc., no wonder why they were looking for more money) the employees union had come to an agreement already, it was the bakers union that refused to budge.  The workers were told that if they did not return to work by 5pm on Thursday, Hostess would close.  The union advised that Hostess was bluffing, they were wrong.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: walkstall on November 20, 2012, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: JustKari on November 20, 2012, 09:18:32 AM
Exactly, two unions were in play here (I know, can you imagine paying two sets of dues, etc., no wonder why they were looking for more money) the employees union had come to an agreement already, it was the bakers union that refused to budge.  The workers were told that if they did not return to work by 5pm on Thursday, Hostess would close.  The union advised that Hostess was bluffing, they were wrong.

Just a heads up.  You do not pay two sets of dues.  You only pay for your union.
Some shop have 3 or 4 unions.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 20, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Amazing isn't it. After all this time, unionized workers can't seem to get it through their heads that the reason they have a job and receive a paycheck, is because of the business. Which makes the survival of the business far more important than the survival of the union. Yet over and over again, you see them back the union, screw over the business, and then stand there with stupid looks on their faces when "all of a sudden" they're unemployed. Here's a thought experiment for every union worker out there. The Union disappears tomorrow morning; do you still have a job? Now flip the switch, the business disappears tomorrow morning; do you still have a job? If they're so stupid they don't recognize that then, the hell with them!
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 20, 2012, 09:47:32 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 20, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Amazing isn't it. After all this time, unionized workers can't seem to get it through their heads that the reason they have a job and receive a paycheck, is because of the business. Which makes the survival of the business far more important than the survival of the union. Yet over and over again, you see them back the union, screw over the business, and then stand there with stupid looks on their faces when "all of a sudden" they're unemployed. Here's a thought experiment for every union worker out there. The Union disappears tomorrow morning; do you still have a job? Now flip the switch, the business disappears tomorrow morning; do you still have a job? If they're so stupid they don't recognize that then, the hell with them!

The attitude of the workers here in NC, is that they won. I don't understand it. :confused:

http://video.nbc17.com/v/66698872/hostess-workers-happy-after-rocky-mount-plant-closes.htm?q=hostess (http://video.nbc17.com/v/66698872/hostess-workers-happy-after-rocky-mount-plant-closes.htm?q=hostess)
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 20, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 20, 2012, 09:47:32 AM
The attitude of the workers here in NC, is that they won. I don't understand it. :confused:

http://video.nbc17.com/v/66698872/hostess-workers-happy-after-rocky-mount-plant-closes.htm?q=hostess (http://video.nbc17.com/v/66698872/hostess-workers-happy-after-rocky-mount-plant-closes.htm?q=hostess)
They think "someone" will come along, buy up the business, and reopen the plant. The steel workers in the Midwest, and the textile workers in the South, are also still waiting for the plants to reopen/sarc.   :confused:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 20, 2012, 11:47:13 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 20, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
They think "someone" will come along, buy up the business, and reopen the plant. The steel workers in the Midwest, and the textile workers in the South, are also still waiting for the plants to reopen/sarc.   :confused:

Yeah. They're gonna be waiting a long time.
The guy they just re-elected has promised to punish producers, punish businesses with Obamacare, raise corporate taxes...............

Nobody in their right minds would open a business right now. Bimbo might buy Hostess and move all manufacturing to Mexico, but that won't help the union workers.

Speaking of which, can you even imagine the outrage from the left, if some rich, conservative white dude owned a company called Bimbo. :ohmy: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: JustKari on November 21, 2012, 08:15:59 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 20, 2012, 09:30:39 AM
Just a heads up.  You do not pay two sets of dues.  You only pay for your union.
Some shop have 3 or 4 unions.

I am not questioning whether you are right (tone can be difficult), how are the dues distributed to make it worthwhile for either/both union(s)?
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 21, 2012, 08:30:10 AM
You guys are gonna like this one. :thumbsup:

I've been arguing this Hostess thing on FB with some lib friends of mine.

I thought my goose was cooked when I saw this posted this morning...........by a lib female.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/ (http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/)

I decided to look up the filthy, greedy venture capital firm.

It's run by a democrat. :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/tag/ripplewood-holdings/ (http://management.fortune.cnn.com/tag/ripplewood-holdings/)

The FB thread has gone silent. :ohmy:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: walkstall on November 21, 2012, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: JustKari on November 21, 2012, 08:15:59 AM
I am not questioning whether you are right (tone can be difficult), how are the dues distributed to make it worthwhile for either/both union(s)?

You can have more then one labor union working in one shop.

If your a Baker you pay the Bakers union.

If your a Truck driver you pay the Truck drivers union.

If your a Electrician then you pay the Electricians union.

This way your not allowed to do the other persons work.

In a no-union shop I could do all the above jobs. 
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 21, 2012, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 21, 2012, 08:30:10 AM
You guys are gonna like this one. :thumbsup:

I've been arguing this Hostess thing on FB with some lib friends of mine.

I thought my goose was cooked when I saw this posted this morning...........by a lib female.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/ (http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/)

I decided to look up the filthy, greedy venture capital firm.

It's run by a democrat. :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/tag/ripplewood-holdings/ (http://management.fortune.cnn.com/tag/ripplewood-holdings/)

The FB thread has gone silent. :ohmy:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gold! Pure Gold!
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: JustKari on November 21, 2012, 10:11:39 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 21, 2012, 08:50:35 AM
You can have more then one labor union working in one shop.

If your a Baker you pay the Bakers union.

If your a Truck driver you pay the Truck drivers union.

If your a Electrician then you pay the Electricians union.

This way your not allowed to do the other persons work.

In a no-union shop I could do all the above jobs.

Ah, clear as an azure blue sky, can you tell I have never worked in a union? 
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 21, 2012, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: JustKari on November 21, 2012, 10:11:39 AM
Ah, clear as an azure blue sky, can you tell I have never worked in a union?
It's why when something is spilled in a union shop and the janitor, or PC speak (maintenance guy) is off, the spill sits until management cleans it up.
I know that sounds weird, but you hear it all the time in a union shop "Ain't my job".
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: walkstall on November 21, 2012, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2012, 10:35:50 AM
It's why when something is spilled in a union shop and the janitor, or PC speak (maintenance guy) is off, the spill sits until management cleans it up.
I know that sounds weird, but you hear it all the time in a union shop "Ain't my job".

Hmm... Maintenance Engineer if you please.  :lol: That way you have to pay she/he even more money.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: rocca on November 21, 2012, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 21, 2012, 08:30:10 AM
You guys are gonna like this one. :thumbsup:

I've been arguing this Hostess thing on FB with some lib friends of mine.

I thought my goose was cooked when I saw this posted this morning...........by a lib female.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/ (http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/)

I decided to look up the filthy, greedy venture capital firm.

It's run by a democrat. :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/tag/ripplewood-holdings/ (http://management.fortune.cnn.com/tag/ripplewood-holdings/)

The FB thread has gone silent. :ohmy:

hmmmm..... maybe they should have Bain rescue the company instead of Ripplewood  :wink:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 21, 2012, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: rocca on November 21, 2012, 12:40:10 PM
hmmmm..... maybe they should have Bain rescue the company instead of Ripplewood  :wink:

It sure would have made a better story for the lib media. I'm also sure that it's very upsetting for them when they slip up and do some honest reporting.

A classic case of shooting first and aiming later. The idiot reporter wrote a hit piece on the right, without bothering to research who ran Ripplewood. Morons. :lol: :lol: :lol:

My lib FB friend picked it up like a piece of freshly killed meat and ran with it. Snapping her was fun. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 21, 2012, 01:31:24 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 21, 2012, 01:09:46 PM
It sure would have made a better story for the lib media. I'm also sure that it's very upsetting for them when they slip up and do some honest reporting.

A classic case of shooting first and aiming later. The idiot reporter wrote a hit piece on the right, without bothering to research who ran Ripplewood. Morons. :lol: :lol: :lol:

My lib FB friend picked it up like a piece of freshly killed meat and ran with it. Snapping her was fun. :biggrin:
Libs are such tools, you can't help but laugh at their expense.
It's like when they claim we need to build hydrogen powered cars, but then slap them upside the head for wanting to kill our energy infrastructure that creates the electricity that makes hydrogen. :laugh:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: elmerfudd on November 23, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
What sterling managers Hostess must have had.  Standing around, wringing their hands helplessly while voting themselves big bonuses as they waited on the union to tell them what to do. 

Any time a company goes belly up, it's management's fault.  Not a labor union's.  Look at UPS and the Teamsters.  UPS is very profitable for one reason.  Good management.  Not absence of (or weakness of) a labor union. 
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 23, 2012, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 23, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
What sterling managers Hostess must have had.  Standing around, wringing their hands helplessly while voting themselves big bonuses as they waited on the union to tell them what to do. 

Any time a company goes belly up, it's management's fault.  Not a labor union's.  Look at UPS and the Teamsters.  UPS is very profitable for one reason.  Good management.  Not absence of (or weakness of) a labor union.
Yet you completely overlook competition?

Bottom line is unions shot themselves in the foot and have only themselves to blame for job loss.
It was the tiny Bakers union that killed 90% of the jobs that depended on Hostess.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 23, 2012, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 23, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
What sterling managers Hostess must have had.  Standing around, wringing their hands helplessly while voting themselves big bonuses as they waited on the union to tell them what to do. 

Any time a company goes belly up, it's management's fault.  Not a labor union's.  Look at UPS and the Teamsters.  UPS is very profitable for one reason.  Good management.  Not absence of (or weakness of) a labor union.

You read my links right?

With the help of Dick Gephart, (democrat member of congress turned lobbyist), a democrat venture capitalist bought the company out of bankruptcy. He also installed Gephart's democrat son as a member on the board of directors for $100,000 a year.

Your facts might be close, but make sure to include the fact that the who's who of what brought down the company were democrats. We wouldn't want anybody to get the wrong impression and blame it on the right.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Solar on November 23, 2012, 09:31:02 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 23, 2012, 09:29:16 AM
You read my links right?

With the help of Dick Gephart, (democrat member of congress turned lobbyist), a democrat venture capitalist bought the company out of bankruptcy. He also installed Gephart's democrat son as a member on the board of directors for $100,000 a year.

Your facts might be close, but make sure to include the fact that the who's who of what brought down the company were democrats. We wouldn't want anybody to get the wrong impression and blame it on the right.
Now that's just inconvenient. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: mdgiles on November 23, 2012, 10:57:11 AM
Now if I were one of those conspiracy types, I'd figure that Gephart got his union buddies to drive the company under so his Democrat friends could buy it dirt cheap - oh, and give his kid a job. The payoff is, when it get's restructured everybody's head is on the block - except the bakers union.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 23, 2012, 12:36:44 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on November 23, 2012, 10:57:11 AM
Now if I were one of those conspiracy types, I'd figure that Gephart got his union buddies to drive the company under so his Democrat friends could buy it dirt cheap - oh, and give his kid a job. The payoff is, when it get's restructured everybody's head is on the block - except the bakers union.

I wonder if we should start a thread about how Harry Reid became a very wealthy man while earning a senators salary. Apparently, being a senator, and working part time to secure real estate deals for federal land, pays pretty well.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 26, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
This just dawned on me today. Didn't Michelle Obama ban these snacks from all public schools? :blink:
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 03:16:17 PM
I know you're sort of kidding, but how does this woman have ANY power over such things?  It seems she is able to apply pressure to the school system and even stores. Why is that?  How does this woman get away with this sort of national meddling?
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: kramarat on November 26, 2012, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 03:16:17 PM
I know you're sort of kidding, but how does this woman have ANY power over such things?  It seems she is able to apply pressure to the school system and even stores. Why is that?  How does this woman get away with this sort of national meddling?

Not kidding at all.

http://www.slashfood.com/2011/04/12/public-school-bans-lunches-from-home/ (http://www.slashfood.com/2011/04/12/public-school-bans-lunches-from-home/)

I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I think that since schools receive federal funds to hand out "free" lunches, Michelle Obama, through the FDA and USDA, have implemented a banning of bagged lunches, and an edict that forces kids to eat what's served in the cafeteria. This is going on across the country.

I'm sure you heard of the little girl in NC that was sent home.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/)
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: rich_t on November 26, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 03:16:17 PM
I know you're sort of kidding, but how does this woman have ANY power over such things?  It seems she is able to apply pressure to the school system and even stores. Why is that?  How does this woman get away with this sort of national meddling?

She be the First Wookie.
Title: Re: Say Goodbye To Twinkie
Post by: Yawn on November 26, 2012, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: kramarat on November 26, 2012, 03:56:59 PM
Not kidding at all.

http://www.slashfood.com/2011/04/12/public-school-bans-lunches-from-home/ (http://www.slashfood.com/2011/04/12/public-school-bans-lunches-from-home/)

I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I think that since schools receive federal funds to hand out "free" lunches, Michelle Obama, through the FDA and USDA, have implemented a banning of bagged lunches, and an edict that forces kids to eat what's served in the cafeteria. This is going on across the country.

I'm sure you heard of the little girl in NC that was sent home.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/n-c-food-inspector-sends-girls-lunch-home-after-determining-its-not-healthy-enough/)

Does anybody care that this woman wasn't elected to anything?  All of these bureaucracies need to be gutted, but few Republicans are even up to it.  If Ron Paul would just do these things I would vote for him.  If he ran on this sort of thing instead of all the kook social issues, he would have gotten a lot more support.

End the EPA. End the NEA. Greatly restrict the FDA. Give them NO powers that belong to the Legislative branch.