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Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« on: November 26, 2018, 09:37:42 AM »
WTF Putin, are you looking to get your ass handed to you?
We don't need war to bring Russia to its knees, and if he keeps this shit up, he may find his country on the verge of bankruptcy.

The tense tug-of-war between Russia and Ukraine escalated Monday, a day after three Ukrainian naval vessels were reportedly fired at and then captured by Russian coast guard ships – actions denounced by the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations as “outrageous” and a "provocation."

Nikki Haley, speaking at an emergency UN Security Council meeting Monday, said Russia’s reported actions in the Kerch Strait were an “outrageous violation of sovereign Ukrainian territory” and marked “yet another reckless Russian escalation.”

"[It's] an arrogant act that the international community must condemn," she added. "The United States will continue to stand with the people of Ukraine."

Haley’s comments come a day after a clash between the two contentious neighbors that began after the Ukrainian navy claimed a Russian coast guard vessel rammed a tugboat that was transporting artillery boats from Odessa on the Black Bea to Mariupol in the Sea of Azov, via the Kerch Strait.

The attack further escalated tensions between the two nations, which have been locked in a stalemate since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea.

"We consider it as an act of aggression against our state and a very serious threat," Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said earlier Monday. "Unfortunately, there are no 'red lines' for the Russian Federation."

Poroshenko on Monday demanded Russia immediately release the sailors and ship seized, before signing a decree to introduce martial law across the country. Initially, he sought it for 60 days but later halved his proposal to 30 days in an apparent concession to opponents.

In a slew of Twitter posts, Poroshenko appeared to say that as “president and Supreme Commander” he has imposed martial law throughout the country, effective Wednesday.

“The introduction of martial law does not involve measures related to limiting the rights and freedoms of citizens or the introduction of censorship,” he said on Twitter.

The emergency measures, if approved, include a partial mobilization, a strengthening of the country’s air defense as well as a plethora of vaguely worded steps such as the “strengthening” of anti-terrorism measures and “information security.”

The clash Sunday began after the Ukrainian navy claimed a Russian coast guard vessel rammed a tugboat that was transporting artillery boats from Odessa on the Black Bea to Mariupol in the Sea of Azov, via the Kerch Strait.

“Russian coast guard vessels…carried out openly aggressive actions against Ukrainian navy ships,” the Ukrainian navy said in a statement, adding the tugboat’s engine, hull, side railing, and a lifeboat were damaged.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-ukraine-tensions-escalate-after-naval-vessel-fracas-haley-calls-it-a-provocation
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Re: Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2018, 09:41:39 AM »
I hope we do not get involved.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2018, 10:05:52 AM »
I hope we do not get involved.
We're NATO, but I don't see a military escalation, I see trade suffering and Russia can't run that risk, he knows Trump means business, and knows business and has the ability to bring severe pressure against Russia if he deems it necessary.
I think Putin will play diplomat and claim good faith and release these boats, knowing the world just wants it to go away. For him to dig in his heels would be stupid, but he's playing a bargaining chip for more concessions, and will most likely get a portion of what he wants.
I don't know what it is he's up to in the big scheme of things, but he's a smart guy and I don't think he'll push Trump too far on this.

The question is, how long will this event last? I think it will end quietly over the next two weeks, but a lot of it is up to Ukrainian President Poroshenko who is running for reelection and suffering low approval numbers.
He needs a huge win in this and needs to come out looking strong. Too many variables involved.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2018, 11:24:36 AM »
We're NATO, but I don't see a military escalation, I see trade suffering and Russia can't run that risk, he knows Trump means business, and knows business and has the ability to bring severe pressure against Russia if he deems it necessary.
I think Putin will play diplomat and claim good faith and release these boats, knowing the world just wants it to go away. For him to dig in his heels would be stupid, but he's playing a bargaining chip for more concessions, and will most likely get a portion of what he wants.
I don't know what it is he's up to in the big scheme of things, but he's a smart guy and I don't think he'll push Trump too far on this.

The question is, how long will this event last? I think it will end quietly over the next two weeks, but a lot of it is up to Ukrainian President Poroshenko who is running for reelection and suffering low approval numbers.
He needs a huge win in this and needs to come out looking strong. Too many variables involved.

Trump can bring Russia to its knees without firing a shot just like Reagan did. Trump cannot only put the economic squeeze on Russia, but anyone doing business with them. He is not afraid to do this either.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2018, 12:02:04 PM »
Trump can bring Russia to its knees without firing a shot just like Reagan did. Trump cannot only put the economic squeeze on Russia, but anyone doing business with them. He is not afraid to do this either.

Here's some of my concern: Think of Trump as a bull.. (not hard).. then consider all those lances that have been poked at him as picadors.. https://www.thefreedictionary.com/picador  - inevitably there will be weakening.... inevitably.

Surely Trump is unique and possesses incredible powers, but he is only human after all and like all humans, he can sustain just_so_much.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2018, 12:25:09 PM »
Here's some of my concern: Think of Trump as a bull.. (not hard).. then consider all those lances that have been poked at him as picadors.. https://www.thefreedictionary.com/picador  - inevitably there will be weakening.... inevitably.

Surely Trump is unique and possesses incredible powers, but he is only human after all and like all humans, he can sustain just_so_much.
It's been two years now and the attacks on Trump have been relentless from the left and he has not faltered yet, so I don't see it taking a toll on the man and his mission.
Trump is most definitely a special kind of man for this moment in time, a Patriot that believes God is on his side.
I don't know how many out there can grasp this point, but having a belief that God is guiding you, is an amazing gift, one most will never understand.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2018, 01:52:20 PM »
It's been two years now and the attacks on Trump have been relentless from the left and he has not faltered yet, so I don't see it taking a toll on the man and his mission.
Trump is most definitely a special kind of man for this moment in time, a Patriot that believes God is on his side.
I don't know how many out there can grasp this point, but having a belief that God is guiding you, is an amazing gift, one most will never understand.

I like your view.... your 'take'.

We all need to pray for that man.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine tensions escalate after naval vessel fracas
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2018, 01:58:01 PM »
I like your view.... your 'take'.

We all need to pray for that man.
BINGO! We are his army, it is up to us to defend him the best we can.
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