By a Conservative.
I don't know if you caught it, but yesterday and today he told a couple of callers not to call themselves Conservatives because he claims "Conservative" is toxic, that we shouldn't identify ourselves as Conservatives, that we should call ourselves "Problem Solvers".
Yes, this from the guy that said he never claimed to be a Conservative, so why in the Hell would we want to take advice from a RINO?
Yeah, Rush has been a great spokesman for the Right, but this shit galls the Hell out of me, and this guy really ripped Rush's ass good. That could very easily have been me, had I gotten through, I'm just glad someone got through and straightened his ass out!
Quote from: Solar on November 29, 2018, 11:59:27 AM
By a Conservative.
I don't know if you caught it, but yesterday and today he told a couple of callers not to call themselves Conservatives because he claims "Conservative" is toxic, that we shouldn't identify ourselves as Conservatives, that we should call ourselves "Problem Solvers".
Yes, this from the guy that said he never claimed to be a Conservative, so why in the Hell would we want to take advice from a RINO?
Yeah, Rush has been a great spokesman for the Right, but this shit galls the Hell out of me, and this guy really ripped Rush's ass good. That could very easily have been me, had I gotten through, I'm just glad someone got through and straightened his ass out!
I think you got 'had' there, Solar old sod. I would bet you my last wooden nickle Rush was 'puttin' us on' with that suggestion. Ya know, sarcasm, ironic humor?
Remember, euphemisms and false flags are the left's best word-type weapons. They would behead you and tell all the world they cured your dandruff. Ya, I think that was Rush's try at showing all concerned he was also up to playing that game.
I could be wrong, but it would be the very first time. :wink:
Quote from: Belenus on November 29, 2018, 12:23:20 PM
I think you got 'had' there, Solar old sod. I would bet you my last wooden nickle Rush was 'puttin' us on' with that suggestion. Ya know, sarcasm, ironic humor?
Remember, euphemisms and false flags are the left's best word-type weapons. They would behead you and tell all the world they cured your dandruff. Ya, I think that was Rush's try at showing all concerned he was also up to playing that game.
I could be wrong, but it would be the very first time. :wink:
You didn't hear it did you? I assure you, he was very serious in what he said. His problem is, he is not a Conservative, so he couldn't possibly understand what it means to be one, but what he does know, is the GOP tried to usurp the term to get elected, (we all saw it and it pissed us off) what he doesn't understand, is the media allowed the RINO to use it and used it against them.
But for Conservatives, nothing has changed, we're still proud and will stand our ground, in-spite of anything a faux Con says.
He claimed that if we didn't label ourselves as Conservatives, we'd have a better chance at getting our points across, and yes, there is a tiny bit of truth in that, just like when a moron admits to being a lib, they instantly handicap themselves.
Difference is, when we say we're True Conservatives, the lib knows instantly they're at an intellectual disadvantage and go on the attack because they can't defend a single Lib cause, which is fine and why I love them posting here, it affords us a unique opportunity to prove why Conservatism is the only answer and the reason this Nation has been so successful.
I know Rush very well, heard his very first ever radio show in Sacramento and have listened ever since with the exception of the previous year when he was campaigning for Trump.
Quote from: Solar on November 29, 2018, 12:44:29 PM
You didn't hear it did you? I assure you, he was very serious in what he said. His problem is, he is not a Conservative, so he couldn't possibly understand what it means to be one, but what he does know, is the GOP tried to usurp the term to get elected, (we all saw it and it pissed us off) what he doesn't understand, is the media allowed the RINO to use it and used it against them.
But for Conservatives, nothing has changed, we're still proud and will stand our ground, in-spite of anything a faux Con says.
He claimed that if we didn't label ourselves as Conservatives, we'd have a better chance at getting our points across, and yes, there is a tiny bit of truth in that, just like when a moron admits to being a lib, they instantly handicap themselves.
Difference is, when we say we're True Conservatives, the lib knows instantly they're at an intellectual disadvantage and go on the attack because they can't defend a single Lib cause, which is fine and why I love them posting here, it affords us a unique opportunity to prove why Conservatism is the only answer and the reason this Nation has been so successful.
I know Rush very well, heard his very first ever radio show in Sacramento and have listened ever since with the exception of the previous year when he was campaigning for Trump.
Dunno. Like you I have followed Rush for some time and, frankly, thinking of him as anything but conservative seems bizarre.... unreal actually.
I still think that in this case, he was 'funnin' us all and at the same time calling attention to the weird left's use of weird language and the application of flexible definitions as they are wont to do.
But, I could be wrong.
Quote from: Belenus on November 29, 2018, 12:23:20 PM
I think you got 'had' there, Solar old sod. I would bet you my last wooden nickle Rush was 'puttin' us on' with that suggestion. Ya know, sarcasm, ironic humor?
Remember, euphemisms and false flags are the left's best word-type weapons. They would behead you and tell all the world they cured your dandruff. Ya, I think that was Rush's try at showing all concerned he was also up to playing that game.
I suggest using tear gas on Solar.
:ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung:
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 29, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
I suggest using tear gas on Solar.
Or..... maybe not... :ohmy:
:ttoung: :ttoung: :ttoung:
Or..... maybe not... :ohmy:
Quote from: Belenus on November 29, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
Dunno. Like you I have followed Rush for some time and, frankly, thinking of him as anything but conservative seems bizarre.... unreal actually.
I still think that in this case, he was 'funnin' us all and at the same time calling attention to the weird left's use of weird language and the application of flexible definitions as they are wont to do.
But, I could be wrong.
Actually, Rush did state very clearly to a caller who was pissed, that he wasn't doing more to support Cruz because he was the only Conservative running at the time, this was early on, when Mitten was still in.
Rush said very clearly before going to a commercial break,
"I never claimed to be a Conservative", yet now, he wraps himself in the label just two years later? All because McCONnel tried to usurp the Conservative movement.
Believe me, I don't forget shit like this. But don't get me wrong, I still like and listen to Rush, I'm just not a blind ditto head that waits on his every word.
I do believe Rush is connected and gets all the GOP talking points ahead of time, and this is bad if you don't have a True Conservative filter built in.
He also said recently, that the Pubs that dropped out of running for reelection believed the hype, that because it was Trump's White House, that they were certain they didn't have a chance of winning because of Trump, so they retired. Let that sink in, essentially, he said, they didn't run because Trump was toxic. That's true if you're a leftist,. So why didn't Rush know this was bullshit? Because he gets his talking points directly from the gop'E/FOX etc. and a lot of their internal polls.
Now tell me, does that sound like something a Conservative would say? Let me point out, all, ALL but one was a leftist RINO, 17 in all?) only one was a Conservative and another was a (C) rated Pub(?) they all dropped out because they knew they didn't have a snowflakes chance in Hell of getting reelected. They were right about one thing, Trump had coalesced the base and they knew it meant death for their RINO asses.
So why would Rush say that? Because he didn't see them as RINO, he only saw Pubs.
It was us Conservatives that beat the shit out of these RINO, so much so, their internal polling told them that Conservatives were pissed and wouldn't be reelecting RINO. The election proved this out.
Like I said, I like Rush, but I'm smart enough to not lean on his every word, because he isn't a real Conservative, he may be a Patriot, but he's not a Conservative.
I did a write up on this awhile back, how Roger Ailes, the man behind the scenes, leader of the RINO establishment gave Rush his start in radio, the same guy that made FOX what it is today, a voice of the Establishment GOP.
You listened to a different Rush than i did before the election. I turned him off because he kept dropping snide hints bashing Trump. He Only got on board the Trump train when it was over against Cruz.
As far as what the thread is about Rush wouldnt have allowed his ass to be chewed out unless its a put on.
https://www.newsmax.com/Headline/rush-limbaugh-supports-ted-cruz-president/2016/02/10/id/713757/
With conservatives across the country facing a critical decision whether to back Donald Trump, top radio talker Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday that true conservatives have no choice but to vote for Ted Cruz.
Limbaugh told his radio audience, "If conservatism is your bag, if conservatism is the dominating factor in how you vote, there is no other choice for you in this campaign than Ted Cruz...."
"Limbaugh gave his powerful imprimatur to Cruz by adding, "This [Ted Cruz] is the closest in our lifetimes we have ever been to Ronald Reagan."
Read Newsmax: Limbaugh: Cruz 'Has Got to Be Your Guy' – 'Closest to Reagan' | Newsmax.com"
Quote from: ldub23 on November 29, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
You listened to a different Rush than i did before the election. I turned him off because he kept dropping snide hints bashing Trump. He Only got on board the Trump train when it was over against Cruz.
As far as what the thread is about Rush wouldnt have allowed his ass to be chewed out unless its a put on.
I don't know what you listened to, but Rush has a decades long relationship with Trump, they're golfing buddies, and has never spoken an ill word against Trump.
As to the caller, check out his podcast for today, the caller was real, maybe he lied to Snerdley to get on the air, but Rush let him say his piece. Rush was in no position to refute this guys words because the guy was Right in claiming Rush was conceding to the left over using the term Conservative.
Listen to it yourself, I'm sure it's already posted.
A reflection.
Sadly the label Conservative has become a cliche' abused by media assholes especially on FOX.
The concept was born in Athenian Greece from the likes of Pericles and Plato; built on
a series of core principles; none of which will ever be uttered on tee-vee.
I didn;t hear this one but I was listening to Rush yesterday driving around and what he said really pissed me off. He was discussing some college workshop in which the students were asked why they support conservative or leftist issues and specifically the 2nd amendt.
It seems one of the students says his support for the 2nd amendt stemmed from going hunting with his Grandfather was the basis of it.
Rush went off, the gist of his rant was "we" should Never say that our support for the 2nd started with hunting
because the left hates hunting (True) and they have no sentiment for Grandparents (True). Saying such just gives the left more ammunition etc etc, we should be more careful about what we say and perhaps "disguise" ourselves to not appear as "rednecks" who go out shooting deer etc etc etc.
So in essence we are supposed to lie and disguise who we are and why we support conservative issues?
No, part of being a conservative is we tell the truth and we be honest about what we beleive in and WHY.
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 29, 2018, 07:53:29 PM
A reflection.
Sadly the label Conservative has become a cliche' abused by media assholes especially on FOX.
The concept was born in Athenian Greece from the likes of Pericles and Plato; built on
a series of core principles; none of which will ever be uttered on tee-vee.
Exactly Walter!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 30, 2018, 03:49:45 AM
I didn;t hear this one but I was listening to Rush yesterday driving around and what he said really pissed me off. He was discussing some college workshop in which the students were asked why they support conservative or leftist issues and specifically the 2nd amendt.
It seems one of the students says his support for the 2nd amendt stemmed from going hunting with his Grandfather was the basis of it.
Rush went off, the gist of his rant was "we" should Never say that our support for the 2nd started with hunting
because the left hates hunting (True) and they have no sentiment for Grandparents (True). Saying such just gives the left more ammunition etc etc, we should be more careful about what we say and perhaps "disguise" ourselves to not appear as "rednecks" who go out shooting deer etc etc etc.
So in essence we are supposed to lie and disguise who we are and why we support conservative issues?
No, part of being a conservative is we tell the truth and we be honest about what we beleive in and WHY.
Thanks for the reminder.
I forgot about that one, and yes, that was part of what the caller was pissed about, Rush telling Conservatives to hide.
It appears to be a recurring theme with him, as if he wants to stifle the base so as to protect the GOP.
Rush just readdressed Leo's call yesterday and wanted to expand on what he had said yesterday. (evidence Rush knows he stepped in it)
So how does Rush explain it away? He claims our use of the term "Classic Liberal" is stupid because no one knows what that means.
I guess in Rush's mind, we're supposed to stop educating everyone, roll over and STFU?
If Leo didn't get the best of Rush in his rant, why is Rush bringing it back up again? Because of posts like this and a flood of emails from Conservatives, that's why.
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2018, 11:57:43 AM
Rush just readdressed Leo's call yesterday and wanted to expand on what he had said yesterday. (evidence Rush knows he stepped in it)
So how does Rush explain it away? He claims our use of the term "Classic Liberal" is stupid because no one knows what that means.
I guess in Rush's mind, we're supposed to stop educating everyone, roll over and STFU?
If Leo didn't get the best of Rush in his rant, why is Rush bringing it back up again? Because of posts like this and a flood of emails from Conservatives, that's why.
Rush is not always 100% Right.
He's a human being, ok ?
But attacking him is just wrong.
Let him be.
Quote from: Rotwang on November 30, 2018, 07:48:36 PM
Rush is not always 100% Right.
He's a human being, ok ?
But attacking him is just wrong.
Let him be.
WTF? Setting his ass straight is our obligation! If you want to construe it as an attack, that's your prerogative, but unless we stand for Conservatism, the left will win, it really is that simple!
He may "Feel" caving to the left is fine, that's what the RINO have been doing for decades, but if you have noticed, it was the Conservative base that gave the Senate a solid majority and kicked the RINO out of Congress.
No, when Rush tells his audience not to identify as Conservatives, that's just downright stupid and unacceptable. I would expect any one of you to call me out if I pulled the same stupid stunt.
Can you imagine me changing the name of the forum so as not to upset the left?
We could call it Problemsolversforum.com... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2018, 08:17:30 PM
WTF? Setting his ass straight is our obligation! If you want to construe it as an attack, that's your prerogative, but unless we stand for Conservatism, the left will win, it really is that simple!
He may "Feel" caving to the left is fine, that's what the RINO have been doing for decades, but if you have noticed, it was the Conservative base that gave the Senate a solid majority and kicked the RINO out of Congress.
No, when Rush tells his audience not to identify as Conservatives, that's just downright stupid and unacceptable. I would expect any one of you to call me out if I pulled the same stupid stunt.
Can you imagine me changing the name of the forum so as not to upset the left?
We could call it Problemsolversforum.com... :rolleyes:
This has been a very interesting exchange.
We have seen a conservative attack a conservative. That's something one would never see done with the progressives and their cloaked democrat communists.
Like I said- interesting.
Quote from: Rotwang on November 30, 2018, 07:48:36 PM
Rush is not always 100% Right.
He's a human being, ok ?
But attacking him is just wrong.
Let him be.
Quote from: Belenus on November 30, 2018, 11:41:31 PM
This has been a very interesting exchange.
We have seen a conservative attack a conservative. That's something one would never see done with the progressives and their cloaked democrat communists.
Like I said- interesting.
Conservatives will kill each other in primaries, but become useless when needed. That's why we have been losing in the past. We need to stick together.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on November 30, 2018, 11:58:57 PM
Conservatives will kill each other in primaries, but become useless when needed. That's why we have been losing in the past. We need to stick together.
Not at the cost of Conservatism, or you have lost before you started.
Happily, I have no dog in this hunt anymore - I quit listening to all the talking heads, to include Limbaugh over McCain't in 07. What they did to Duncan Hunter in that election was the final straw.
Ain't been back, and won't be back. *SPIT*
Quote from: Belenus on November 30, 2018, 11:41:31 PM
This has been a very interesting exchange.
We have seen a conservative attack a conservative. That's something one would never see done with the progressives and their cloaked democrat communists.
Like I said- interesting.
That's the problem, even Rush himself stated he wasn't a Conservative, so when one of these so called spokes people make an asinine statement as he did, he gets called on it.
That goes for anyone that tries to takeover the movement or tries to quell our voice or morph our ideals in any manner, they're going to get their ass kicked hard.
This is the guy that calls himself the "Doctor of Democracy", think about that, then ask yourself, would a Conservative even utter the word "Democracy"? Of Course not, we're a damned Republic.
Maybe you guys should tune in and quit the knee-jerking defense of the guy and start calling these people out when they say this kind of bull shit?
Why is it everyone is willing to ignore these little incursions into our movement? Remember how we all once were forced to back McStain because he had an (R) next to his name?
There's a reason this forum is called Conservative, and not Problem Solver forum, as Rush wants us to call ourselves. What's next, the "Kinder Gentler" Right?
Oh wait, Bush tried that shit and look where it got us.
For those of you who think I'm making shit up, or don't know what I'm talking about? Give me a little credit, this is what I now do for a living, pushing the Conservative agenda, and when I see it under attack, I fight back!
Tell me, how do you suppose Rush was able to predict the 2018 election more than a year prior?
Answer"
Because Rush is privy to Establishment GOP Internal polling information, that's why! "Don't doubt me on this folks" :rolleyes:
"I'm gonna go on record December 22, 2017: Based on all that is known now, the Republican Party is not gonna lose control of the House, they're not gonna lose control of the Senate — and, in fact, the Democrats may lose even more seats in the Senate. "
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/12/22/rush-prediction-republicans-will-hold-house-and-senate-in-2018/
Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2018, 07:22:43 AM
For those of you who think I'm making shit up, or don't know what I'm talking about? Give me a little credit, this is what I now do for a living, pushing the Conservative agenda, and when I see it under attack, I fight back!
Tell me, how do you suppose Rush was able to predict the 2018 election more than a year prior?
Answer"
Because Rush is privy to Establishment GOP Internal polling information, that's why! "Don't doubt me on this folks" :rolleyes:
"I'm gonna go on record December 22, 2017: Based on all that is known now, the Republican Party is not gonna lose control of the House, they're not gonna lose control of the Senate — and, in fact, the Democrats may lose even more seats in the Senate. "
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/12/22/rush-prediction-republicans-will-hold-house-and-senate-in-2018/
(https://i.imgur.com/IWwCg4j.jpg)
Quote from: Rotwang on December 03, 2018, 01:50:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IWwCg4j.jpg)
How is it you're missing the point in all of this? Rush still spins for the GOP, if he didn't, he would no longer be privileged to insider information.
Like I said, I still like Rush, but I listen the way he taught me over all these decades, with a skeptical ear. Sure, he does a great job of bashing the left, but he soft gloves RINO, otherwise he'd be preaching revolt and demanding the Con step down and start naming names. But he doesn't.
All I'm saying, is read between the lines when listening to him and Hannity, the only one I trust out there is Levin 99% of the time.
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
How is it you're missing the point in all of this? Rush still spins for the GOP, if he didn't, he would no longer be privileged to insider information.
Like I said, I still like Rush, but I listen the way he taught me over all these decades, with a skeptical ear. Sure, he does a great job of bashing the left, but he soft gloves RINO, otherwise he'd be preaching revolt and demanding the Con step down and start naming names. But he doesn't.
All I'm saying, is read between the lines when listening to him and Hannity, the only one I trust out there is Levin 99% of the time.
Absolutely !
None of us should blindly follow anyone.
Not Rush, not Hannity, not Nobody.
Blind acceptance is for Dems.
So yeah, we're holding hands here. Like Reagan, I do tend to get defensive of 80% friends.
And I especially defend those that I DO DISAGREE with 20% of the time.
I tend to see Rush much the same way Solar does. IMHO he served his useful purpose and while he is still worth a listen, without getting into specifics, he always strikes me as squishy for lack of a better word. He has plenty of self praise but when he 's pushed to take a stand against the RINOs he always seems to hedge with caveats. Again he may still be the # 1 radio talk show but for me I take what he says with a grain salt. Hannity is too redundant. Levin seems to give the best take" on things.
Quote from: Abe on December 05, 2018, 04:34:23 AM
I tend to see Rush much the same way Solar does. IMHO he served his useful purpose and while he is still worth a listen, without getting into specifics, he always strikes me as squishy for lack of a better word. He has plenty of self praise but when he 's pushed to take a stand against the RINOs he always seems to hedge with caveats. Again he may still be the # 1 radio talk show but for me I take what he says with a grain salt. Hannity is too redundant. Levin seems to give the best take" on things.
Bingo! He never ever seals the deal in the end, like a fence sitter throwing poo at both sides,, drives me nuts.
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2018, 05:53:49 AM
Bingo! He never ever seals the deal in the end, like a fence sitter throwing poo at both sides,, drives me nuts.
Exactly. That is why what you posted caught my eye because I try to listen everyday if possible and there is always that "but" with him. He would have us believe that he is the staunchest conservative around but his words tend to tell a different story. Whenever a hard position is required, I always come away feeling that his position was as hard as soft ice cream. He's part of the establishment but pretends to be otherwise clearly to retain his listeners. I won't say his day has come and gone but his methods of combating the opposition has long since passed. I think there are a few more relevant pundits that are worth a listen. I personally like Levin even when he's off the rails. Probabay like him best when he is ranting. :laugh:
Are you saying that Rush never claimed to be a Conservative?
Quote from: Solar on November 29, 2018, 11:59:27 AM
By a Conservative.
I don't know if you caught it, but yesterday and today he told a couple of callers not to call themselves Conservatives because he claims "Conservative" is toxic, that we shouldn't identify ourselves as Conservatives, that we should call ourselves "Problem Solvers".
Yes, this from the guy that said he never claimed to be a Conservative, so why in the Hell would we want to take advice from a RINO?
Yeah, Rush has been a great spokesman for the Right, but this shit galls the Hell out of me, and this guy really ripped Rush's ass good. That could very easily have been me, had I gotten through, I'm just glad someone got through and straightened his ass out!
Quote from: Abe on December 05, 2018, 06:10:41 AM
Exactly. That is why what you posted caught my eye because I try to listen everyday if possible and there is always that "but" with him. He would have us believe that he is the staunchest conservative around but his words tend to tell a different story. Whenever a hard position is required, I always come away feeling that his position was as hard as soft ice cream. He's part of the establishment but pretends to be otherwise clearly to retain his listeners. I won't say his day has come and gone but his methods of combating the opposition has long since passed. I think there are a few more relevant pundits that are worth a listen. I personally like Levin even when he's off the rails. Probabay like him best when he is ranting. :laugh:
:biggrin:
I know what you mean, Mark isn't as bad as Savage, but at least Mark has his values grounded in our founding Documents when he goes on a rant. "I'll be right back after this break". :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2018, 06:31:47 AM
:biggrin:
I know what you mean, Mark isn't as bad as Savage, but at least Mark has his values grounded in our founding Documents when he goes on a rant. "I'll be right back after this break". :biggrin:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Billiejeens on December 05, 2018, 06:24:11 AM
Are you saying that Rush never claimed to be a Conservative?
Yes! He actually stated, "I never claimed to be a Conservative".
Here's the transcript of what Rush said. Maybe now you'll understand why I took him to task over something he has absolutely no clue about.
The fact that he "Feels" a need to expand on it in a column exposes just how much backlash he received over his stupidity.
"The word 'conservative' or 'conservatism' has, as a brand, been destroyed. I see evidence of it every day when I endeavor to read things in non-conservative media and elsewhere. And it's shocking. It is literally shocking. And it's beyond my ability to comprehend what people out there, particularly college students, literally think when they hear the word 'conservative,'" Rush Limbaugh told his 14 million listeners, suggesting a moratorium on the "conservative" label because so many people are conditioned to shut down with alarm when they encounter the dreaded conservative.
"My thought is to stop using the term. Stop describing yourself as a conservative, proudly or otherwise. Don't label yourself at all," he advised. "If instead of being seen as a conservative because you never identify yourself as such, you instead focus on solving problems. The left is obsessed with problems. They genuinely don't solve them.
"I never said back down, and I never said not to get in their face. I simply said do not use a term to describe yourself that makes it impossible to have any kind of solution with these people. That's all. I'm not saying don't be a conservative," he told an irate caller.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/29/inside-the-beltway-critics-out-to-destroy-the-cons/