If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.

Quote from: ford on September 16, 2017, 07:45:46 AM
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.

Yeah, human nature, meet reality. Welcome to the forum.

Orwell is starting to look like an optimist.

Quote from: voter on August 17, 2017, 06:57:11 AM
Rule by Brute Force: The True Nature of Government

http://gilmermirror.com/view/full_story/27358123/article-Rule-by-Brute-Force--The-True-Nature-of-Government

Governance, whether in the form of Monarchy, Oligarchy or Republic, involves the structuring of culture/society voluntarily agreed/accepted by the people governed.
That has been the the case since the Sumerians of the Fertile Crescent in 3500 BC, to the present.
Does that imply that governance, through history, has been a manifestation of heaven on earth? Hardly!
Man is not a perfectible creature and perfection is not possible in this world, as conservatives understand.
Nevertheless your assertion; "the true nature of government is rule by brute force", is beyond preposterous.
The Greeks and Romans, as well as all the rest of us; get the governance we deserve and tolerate!!!.

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 17, 2017, 08:55:55 PM
Governance, whether in the form of Monarchy, Oligarchy or Republic, involves the structuring of culture/society voluntarily agreed/accepted by the people governed.
That has been the the case since the Sumerians of the Fertile Crescent in 3500 BC, to the present.
Does that imply that governance, through history, has been a manifestation of heaven on earth? Hardly!
Man is not a perfectible creature and perfection is not possible in this world, as conservatives understand.
Nevertheless your assertion; "the true nature of government is rule by brute force", is beyond preposterous.
The Greeks and Romans, as well as all the rest of us; get the governance we deserve and tolerate!!!.

Governance and government are not the same thing, though they are related... but you should already know that. No one in this thread has mentioned governance until you just did. Are you seeking to confuse or conflate the two terms? Doing that wouldn't be a good idea.

If you want to discuss the nature and history of governance, as opposed to the more concise and limited subject of government, perhaps you should consider originating your own thread, instead of trying to hijack and sidetrack this one.

Quote from: TboneAgain on September 17, 2017, 09:47:13 PM
Governance and government are not the same thing, though they are related... but you should already know that. No one in this thread has mentioned governance until you just did. Are you seeking to confuse or conflate the two terms? Doing that wouldn't be a good idea.

If you want to discuss the nature and history of governance, as opposed to the more concise and limited subject of government, perhaps you should consider originating your own thread, instead of trying to hijack and sidetrack this one.

I politely but firmly requested you to ignore my posts, move along w/o notice and I would joyously reciprocate.
I've kept my word, but like Dr. Strangelove, you're obviously incapable; addicted to interfering w/others ideas and thoughts while adding zero.
LORD HAVE MERCY!!!!!
I've
But like Dr Strangelove you;'re compulsion to  incapable of doing that

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 18, 2017, 11:00:41 AM
I politely but firmly requested you to ignore my posts, move along w/o notice and I would joyously reciprocate.
I've kept my word, but like Dr. Strangelove, you're obviously incapable; addicted to interfering w/others ideas and thoughts while adding zero.
LORD HAVE MERCY!!!!!
I've
But like Dr Strangelove you;'re compulsion to  incapable of doing that

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  Your posts are open to scrutiny.  You don't get to post something stupid and then go run under your desk and hide.  This isn't academia.  If you think what you post may be challenged and cause your feelings to be hurt, then save yourself the PTSD and just don't post it.

(I didn't read your posts -- I just caught this part and saw T shred you the other day)

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 18, 2017, 11:00:41 AM
I politely but firmly requested you to ignore my posts, move along w/o notice and I would joyously reciprocate.
I've kept my word, but like Dr. Strangelove, you're obviously incapable; addicted to interfering w/others ideas and thoughts while adding zero.
LORD HAVE MERCY!!!!!
I've
But like Dr Strangelove you;'re compulsion to  incapable of doing that

If you can not handle his feed back, (opinions) then do not read them.   You are on a real Conservative Political Forum, not a safe zone posting PC forum.

Quote from: walkstall on September 18, 2017, 11:14:09 AM

If you can not handle his feed back, (opinions) then do not read them.   You are on a real Conservative Political Forum, not a safe zone forum.

I was going to offer him our designated safe space, but I forgot we turned it into a storage room...

Quote from: taxed on September 18, 2017, 11:15:29 AM
I was going to offer him our designated safe space, but I forgot we turned it into a storage room...

Sorry, I thought that was the outhouse!

Quote from: walkstall on September 18, 2017, 11:14:09 AM

If you can not handle his feed back, (opinions) then do not read them.   You are on a real Conservative Political Forum, not a safe zone posting PC forum.

Thanks for the admonition which I'll heed.

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 18, 2017, 11:00:41 AM
I politely but firmly requested you to ignore my posts, move along w/o notice and I would joyously reciprocate.
I've kept my word, but like Dr. Strangelove, you're obviously incapable; addicted to interfering w/others ideas and thoughts while adding zero.
LORD HAVE MERCY!!!!!
I've
But like Dr Strangelove you;'re compulsion to  incapable of doing that

You do not set the rules for this forum. If you can't take any disagreement feel free to leave.

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 18, 2017, 11:54:19 AM
Thanks for the admonition which I'll heed.

You are not the first one and I am sure you will not be the last one.

Governance is to government as general science is to quantum mechanics or as the field of medicine is to eye surgery.  In all these cases, the latter is a small subset of the former. It's macro vs. micro. That is the bone I was gnawing on.

We don't pick on a thread 17 posts in and begin expounding on the history of the universe when the original subject was the funny-looking apple you got off your tree yesterday or why your puppy has a wart on its tail.

Walter Josh, if you don't know the difference between governance and government, I'd suggest you take a short vacation and do a little reading. If you think we don't know the difference, you're in for a rough ride.

Quote from: tac on September 18, 2017, 11:49:37 AM
Sorry, I thought that was the outhouse!