RIP Tea Party, 3/23/2017 - GOP cancels RINOcare vote

Started by taxed, March 23, 2017, 03:38:20 PM

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mrconservative

Bravo to Mark Meadows, Louie Gohmert, Jim Jordan, Dave Brat and the rest of members of the House Freedom Caucus for standing up and saying No to this shit ass Obamacare 2.0 and refusing budge.
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zewazir

Quote from: taxed on March 24, 2017, 01:00:04 PM
Pulled...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/24/republicans-pull-health-care-bill-just-minutes-after-members-were-scheduled-to-vote-on-it/

Sorry RINOs... you can't hide behind Hussein anymore.
Good. Now let some real conservative work in the background over the next several months to bring about a plan to properly get rid of ACA. It will NOT be easy to get rid of without causing a lot of disruption in the entire healthcare industry. At this juncture, outright repeal will cause too much harm for the prog media to jump all over. Impossible to operate without screwing things up, impossible to repeal without screwing things up. Of course, it was designed to be that way. They also planned for ACA itself to ultimately fail, opening the door for full-on socialized health care nation wide.

What they did NOT plan for was a spoiler like Trump taking the White House over their beloved nether regions of a Marxist jenny.

I just hope Trump can reign in his ego enough to realize the true conservative of Congress have handed him the gift of time to do things right.

Gunbunny42

Quote from: zewazir on March 24, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Good. Now let some real conservative work in the background over the next several months to bring about a plan to properly get rid of ACA. It will NOT be easy to get rid of without causing a lot of disruption in the entire healthcare industry. At this juncture, outright repeal will cause too much harm for the prog media to jump all over. Impossible to operate without screwing things up, impossible to repeal without screwing things up. Of course, it was designed to be that way. They also planned for ACA itself to ultimately fail, opening the door for full-on socialized health care nation wide.

What they did NOT plan for was a spoiler like Trump taking the White House over their beloved nether regions of a Marxist jenny.

I just hope Trump can reign in his ego enough to realize the true conservative of Congress have handed him the gift of time to do things right.

With failure this time around, I can't see Obamacare getting repeal until after the 2018 mid terms.If Trump couldn't get the votes now he isn't going to suddenly have them in July or September, there's too many dems and rinos stinking up the place for that to happen.

walkstall

Quote from: Gunbunny42 on March 24, 2017, 03:19:23 PM
With failure this time around, I can't see Obamacare getting repeal until after the 2018 mid terms.If Trump couldn't get the votes now he isn't going to suddenly have them in July or September, there's too many dems and rinos stinking up the place for that to happen.


I look at it this way, time is on Trump side now as Congress have time to do it right.   
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Gunbunny42

Quote from: walkstall on March 24, 2017, 03:24:19 PM

I look at it this way, time is on Trump side now as Congress have time to do it right.

Your right, time isn't the issue. The issue is will Congress and Trump use it wisely? Hopefully this failure will let a fire on their behinds to get this repeal done right next time around.

taxed

The President after pulling the bill... I actually really like his vibe on this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNV_aXnw2qA
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topside

After reviewing what Trump said, three things stand out:

1) He's going to let Obamacare burn down some more - let the clock tick - until the people put more pressure on the Dims and other no votes.

2) What wasn't in the dialogue was notion of repealing Obamacare and letting the free market have it back. I'm pretty sure the problem is that a lot of people would lose their subsidized healthcare and those who worry more about votes than their duty to the republic won't ever go that way because it will potentially bang them up with many voters. Even if Trump has the Kahunas, the RINOs don't and Trump can't get the backing to repeal. So I don't see a path where that can happen.

3) Trump mentioned a three-phase approach was rendered and this vote was the first phase. Maybe I've been asleep at the wheel, but did anyone else hear any details of the other two phases? That was actually news to me - despite it's absence on any MSM fake news or other actual news / information sites.

Trump should set a bill / mandate that all of congress be on Obama Care - let them wallow in the same slop as the rest of us. Since they are so much behind it, they shouldn't mind. 

I couldn't even stand to watch Scott Pelley's shitty little grin tonight. I usually see what he has to say because he pretty much represents what's broken in the MSM and he's so transparent that it's an indicator of where the MSM is going. But I just couldn't take it tonight.


zewazir

Quote from: Gunbunny42 on March 24, 2017, 03:19:23 PM
With failure this time around, I can't see Obamacare getting repeal until after the 2018 mid terms.If Trump couldn't get the votes now he isn't going to suddenly have them in July or September, there's too many dems and rinos stinking up the place for that to happen.
The failure this time around was due to the "replacement" being way too much like what it was supposed to replace. The MISTAKE that led to the failure was trying to rush through unravelling the most convoluted, overly complicated, self-contradictory piece of crap to hit our law books since the creation of the IRS. Rather than admitting the process cannot be done quickly, and that fulfilling their pledge to rid us of ACA would take time and effort to do properly, they tried to pull a fast one (pun not intended) and got caught out by TEA-sponsored members of the congress.

The authors of ACA made sure that not only would it eventually fail utterly (with ideas of using the failure to implement full on socialized health care) but also that it would be impossible to just repeal without causing all kinds of troubles the progs could dance around like the mindless savages they are, crowing how the 'pubs broke health care.

We are just barely 3 months into Trump's administration. There is time to look at the situation, determine what parts can be outright repealed without harm, what parts have already cause enough damage they'll need to be carefully excised with temporary replacements or easements, and then figure out what can be done to actually address the problems with health care costs.

taxed

Quote from: topside on March 24, 2017, 04:31:15 PM
After reviewing what Trump said, three things stand out:

1) He's going to let Obamacare burn down some more - let the clock tick - until the people put more pressure on the Dims and other no votes.
When he says Democrats, I hear RINOs.  As 2018 approaches and the ACA scam gets worse, the pressure is applied to the RINOs.  On one side is the immovable wall of the Freedom Caucus, and on the other side is a closing wall of time, like in that scene in Star Wars when they're in that trash compactor.

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2) What wasn't in the dialogue was notion of repealing Obamacare and letting the free market have it back. I'm pretty sure the problem is that a lot of people would lose their subsidized healthcare and those who worry more about votes than their duty to the republic won't ever go that way because it will potentially bang them up with many voters. Even if Trump has the Kahunas, the RINOs don't and Trump can't get the backing to repeal. So I don't see a path where that can happen.
There are far more people against the ACA scam than for it.  None of these RINOs are worried about constituents.  They're worried about their donors and lobbyists that bribe and pay them off, or have video of them having sex with children, or whatever pickle they got themselves into. 

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3) Trump mentioned a three-phase approach was rendered and this vote was the first phase. Maybe I've been asleep at the wheel, but did anyone else hear any details of the other two phases? That was actually news to me - despite it's absence on any MSM fake news or other actual news / information sites.

Trump should set a bill / mandate that all of congress be on Obama Care - let them wallow in the same slop as the rest of us. Since they are so much behind it, they shouldn't mind. 
I'd love them to be subject to the same laws as they inflict upon us, but for this, the rage of the constituents will bring plenty of heat for the time being.
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Cryptic Bert

I don't see what the big deal is. A new bill can be introduced t any time and if it passes Trump will sign it. A bill rarely if ever passes as it was written Trump and Ryan didn't give the congress enough time to debate the bill. That is more Ryan's fault than Trumps because Ryan knows how the House works. He's the leader.

Gunbunny42

Quote from: zewazir on March 24, 2017, 04:40:56 PM
The failure this time around was due to the "replacement" being way too much like what it was supposed to replace. The MISTAKE that led to the failure was trying to rush through unravelling the most convoluted, overly complicated, self-contradictory piece of crap to hit our law books since the creation of the IRS. Rather than admitting the process cannot be done quickly, and that fulfilling their pledge to rid us of ACA would take time and effort to do properly, they tried to pull a fast one (pun not intended) and got caught out by TEA-sponsored members of the congress.

The authors of ACA made sure that not only would it eventually fail utterly (with ideas of using the failure to implement full on socialized health care) but also that it would be impossible to just repeal without causing all kinds of troubles the progs could dance around like the mindless savages they are, crowing how the 'pubs broke health care.

We are just barely 3 months into Trump's administration. There is time to look at the situation, determine what parts can be outright repealed without harm, what parts have already cause enough damage they'll need to be carefully excised with temporary replacements or easements, and then figure out what can be done to actually address the problems with health care costs.

As far as the rinos are concerned if they can't vote for a watered down version of obummercare then anything actually conservative is a nonstarter. There is still too many gutless suits with an R in front of their names for that, which is why 2018 will be our next best chance toward repealing it.

And frankly a plan on how to dismantle ACA with minimal harm should have been thought of a long time ago. The party shouldn't have waited until it was in power to come up with one, that was without a doubt a mistake that came back to haunt them.

taxed

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 24, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. A new bill can be introduced t any time and if it passes Trump will sign it. A bill rarely if ever passes as it was written Trump and Ryan didn't give the congress enough time to debate the bill. That is more Ryan's fault than Trumps because Ryan knows how the House works. He's the leader.

Exactly.  They have the luxury of knowing whatever they get to his desk will get signed, so it's 100% on Congress.
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quiller

Quote from: walkstall on March 24, 2017, 03:24:19 PM

I look at it this way, time is on Trump side now as Congress have time to do it right.

Goad the RINOs into a vote on a hasty patchwork of BS, watch it crash like a runaway planet and then let the despicable Ryan eat the vote (without catsup or other condiments).

Sit back grinning, watching the Democrat Lites tear themselves apart, as the party out of power sits back boiling in its own hate over things they cannot change.

THAT'S entertainment!  :thumbsup:


supsalemgr

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 24, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. A new bill can be introduced t any time and if it passes Trump will sign it. A bill rarely if ever passes as it was written Trump and Ryan didn't give the congress enough time to debate the bill. That is more Ryan's fault than Trumps because Ryan knows how the House works. He's the leader.

I believe Ryan was trying to pull a fast one and the Freedom Caucus called him on it. Trump should now embrace the FC as his name will not be on a failed replacement bill. The FC is the reason Trump will not be saddled with another failed plan.
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