RIP Tea Party, 3/23/2017 - GOP cancels RINOcare vote

Started by taxed, March 23, 2017, 03:38:20 PM

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mrconservative

So now Trump is telling the GOP that if they don't vote tomorrow and pass the bill as is, he will keep Obamacare.

Apparently if all else fails for Trump, try strong armed ultimatums.
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taxed

Quote from: mrconservative on March 23, 2017, 07:16:13 PM
So now Trump is telling the GOP that if they don't vote tomorrow and pass the bill as is, he will keep Obamacare.

Apparently if all else fails for Trump, try strong armed ultimatums.

I like it.  It puts pressure on the RINOs.  The conservatives aren't (hopefully) budging until the bill repeals the bill.  The RINOs need to go to their lobbyists and donors and beg for some wiggle room.
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Cryptic Bert

Apparently changes were made but it isn't enough. Let it die and let's have the freedom caucus put together a proper bill.  It will get done because very soon the projections for next years premium increases will be released and that will put tremendous pressure on the GOP.

ldub23

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Quote from: taxed on March 23, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
This very same bill?

Whatever bill they end  up voting for today. I dont like the bill but  i have  no confidence  in the freedom caucus. Afterall, they had a chance to deny Ryan the speakers job but  caved.

Bronx

Quote from: s3779m on March 23, 2017, 05:51:43 PM
What is hilarious is all the dims who voted against this bill. Hate to tell them this but that bill was the best they would have got, it now has to try to get tea on board and for a dead movement they are pretty strong.

That's the part that worries me the most. Ryan going to the dems and expressing just that. They jump on board and leave the Conservatives out in the cold standing alone. Ryan can pin his healthcare Bill as one that was bipartisan. Passed by both republicans and democrats.

The only folks that hate Conservatives more then the democrats are the republican rinos.
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Quote from: ldub23 on March 24, 2017, 03:31:17 AM
Whatever bill they end  up voting for today. I dont like the bill but  i have  no confidence  in the freedom caucus. Afterall, they had a chance to deny Ryan the speakers job but  caved.

White House officials said late Thursday President Trump wants the House to vote Friday on the legislation to begin dismantling ObamaCare, and if it fails, he is "done with health care," and ready to move on to tax reform, a source told Fox News.

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Quote from: Bronx on March 24, 2017, 05:54:16 AM
That's the part that worries me the most. Ryan going to the dems and expressing just that. They jump on board and leave the Conservatives out in the cold standing alone. Ryan can pin his healthcare Bill as one that was bipartisan. Passed by both republicans and democrats.

The only folks that hate Conservatives more then the democrats are the republican rinos.
Strange things can happen, and it would be really off the wall strange if the dims would join with Trump to get this passed. Maybe Trump could promise to leave it named obamacare, that might get a few votes. One factor I find alarming, Trump seems more willing to consult and try to win the support from dims rather than Tea.

Dubinsky

Here's what I find ironic. Trump ran as an outsider.  Then when it comes to one of the two main cornerstones of what he ran on...he leaves it up to Ryan, the insider's insider to get it done.  :wink: We can get into strategies and whose to blame but that stands out to me for my two cents.

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Quote from: Dubinsky on March 24, 2017, 09:54:18 AM
Here's what I find ironic. Trump ran as an outsider.  Then when it comes to one of the two main cornerstones of what he ran on...he leaves it up to Ryan, the insider's insider to get it done.  :wink: We can get into strategies and whose to blame but that stands out to me for my two cents.
Trump is unable to enact laws, that has to go through Congress.  The president can influence a bill and has veto power, but creating a bill is a no-no.

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Quote from: Thinker on March 24, 2017, 10:45:14 AM
Trump is unable to enact laws, that has to go through Congress.  The president can influence a bill and has veto power, but creating a bill is a no-no.

I understand that he can not and the role of Congress. My point was that leading up to his inauguration he certainly must have spoken to Ryan.  Some "message" had to get through to Ryan on what was desired on the president's part. This bill appears to be something hastily thrown together by Ryan and Co, no matter what he says. It's as if he got out his crayons and crossed out what he didn't like and colored in what he wanted, not what the public or Trump wanted. To this moment I still don't believe Trumps knows what is or isn't in the bill or if he even understands it. IMHO. I may be in the minority but I put this more on Ryan than Trump....and I'm no died-hard Trump supporter. Either way this has been handled horribly.

Perhaps this explains some of how I see it better than I.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/24/15039664/paul-ryan-donald-trump-ahca

taxed

Quote from: ldub23 on March 24, 2017, 03:31:17 AM
Whatever bill they end  up voting for today. I dont like the bill but  i have  no confidence  in the freedom caucus. Afterall, they had a chance to deny Ryan the speakers job but  caved.

Can you post the role call that gave Ryan the speakership please?
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taxed

Quote from: Dubinsky on March 24, 2017, 09:54:18 AM
Here's what I find ironic. Trump ran as an outsider.  Then when it comes to one of the two main cornerstones of what he ran on...he leaves it up to Ryan, the insider's insider to get it done.  :wink: We can get into strategies and whose to blame but that stands out to me for my two cents.

When it fails, who takes the fall?  It exposes the RINOs even more.  The Freedom Caucus conservatives are safe and held their ground and the President can just say "my pen is waiting... someone get a repeal bill to my desk".  Plus after it fails, 2018 is looming and that will increase pressure on the squishy RINOs.
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zewazir

Frankly, I did not expect O-care to be tackled this early in the game.

The law in place is a convoluted, invasive, insidious, maze of regulations, requirements, mandates and oversights making a total mess of the health insurance industry. And it has been screwing things up for 7 full years as of yesterday. The idea that it could be simply repealed without looking out for, and mitigating the consequences is naive at best, massively dangerous at worst.

IMO, ACA was deliberately designed to be difficult to dismantle once put in place - just as it was deliberately designed to ultimately fail. We have the legislative equivalent of one of those "art" kinetic sculptures whose intent is to self-destruct once put in motion.

For another analogy, it's a legislative game of Jenga, where the left and right blocks have been removed from the third layer up. One wrong move and the whole thing falls down - with the republicans and Trump holding the blame bag at the end. (The media will make damned sure of that!!) It's an issue that should have been planned out with the knowledge it would take a rather significant amount of time to plan which aspects can be repealed and in what order, which need to be mitigated before being repealed, and which should be replaced with something that actually does the job of helping those who genuinely need help.

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Quote from: Bronx on March 24, 2017, 05:54:16 AM
That's the part that worries me the most. Ryan going to the dems and expressing just that. They jump on board and leave the Conservatives out in the cold standing alone. Ryan can pin his healthcare Bill as one that was bipartisan. Passed by both republicans and democrats.

The only folks that hate Conservatives more then the democrats are the republican rinos.

I just do not see the democrats helping at all to ditch Obamacare even though this bill apparently is window dressing as far as repeal is concerned..
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