Trump says he signed it because of national security concerns and will never do it again which is BS because the same concerns will exist the next time.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 23, 2018, 05:17:04 PM
Trump says he signed it because of national security concerns and will never do it again which is BS because the same concerns will exist the next time.

Im getting tired of hearing Reps on tv saying  it was a horrible  bill but they had  no choice because we need to bust the budget for the  military. Force the dems to shut down the govt for  damn once. Trump would have gained alot  of support from the base with a veto. Instead, alot  of conservatives arent going to vote in Nov. Trump just signed his own impeachment.

Quote from: ldub23 on March 23, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
Im getting tired of hearing Reps on tv saying  it was a horrible  bill but they had  no choice because we need to bust the budget for the  military. Force the dems to shut down the govt for  damn once. Trump would have gained alot  of support from the base with a veto. Instead, alot  of conservatives arent going to vote in Nov. Trump just signed his own impeachment.

Well said.

Quote from: cubs2016 on March 23, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
Solar, there is more to it than that.  There just has to be.  Something has happened to force him to cave to Schumer and Pelosi.  He could have shut the fing government down and no one would have suffered for it; actually could have blamed the dems for it, but he simply didn't.  I have an awful fear of what is going on behind the scenes - things from which we cannot recover our Constitutional Republic.

After watching Trump for a year, I've come to a wait and see kind of approach. What other card is about to drop?
Trump has amazed with his masterful skill of manipulation, and even though he signed this POS, it's still a drop in the bucket of nearly 200 trillion in unfunded debt.
I'll wait and see what the coming weeks have to produce, Trump didn't do this to only have his base turn on him, I think he has another huge card to play, one that will make everyone forget what just happened.

Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
After watching Trump for a year, I've come to a wait and see kind of approach. What other card is about to drop?
Trump has amazed with his masterful skill of manipulation, and even though he signed this POS, it's still a drop in the bucket of nearly 200 trillion in unfunded debt.
I'll wait and see what the coming weeks have to produce, Trump didn't do this to only have his base turn on him, I think he has another huge card to play, one that will make everyone forget what just happened.

I'm trying to remain positive as well, thinking perhaps a compromise back channel on "something"

Could this massive defense spending have something to do with Bolton? WHat the hell is in the works?" NORK's?
Iran?

A "trade"...I'll sign Dem pork budget in exchange for Hillary and a bunch of Obamao admin indictments....such a deal!

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 05:59:21 PM
I'm trying to remain positive as well, thinking perhaps a compromise back channel on "something"

Could this massive defense spending have something to do with Bolton? WHat the hell is in the works?" NORK's?
Iran?

A "trade"...I'll sign Dem pork budget in exchange for Hillary and a bunch of Obamao admin indictments....such a deal!

Same here. Though I think its China, NK is a mere afterthought in the big scheme of things.
I think Trump's Tariffs and smacking China is a way of crippling their military build up, they need us like a man needs air and without us and our dollars, they can't expand.
Add to that Trump's restoration of our military not seen since Reagan, puts us on a level leaps and bounds over China, in essence, he just kneecapped China's military growth and their design on Taiwan and trade routes in the South China Sea.

Now China will be forced into serious concessions, we're done playing the patsy to the rest of the world.

Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 06:15:16 PM
Same here. Though I think its China, NK is a mere afterthought in the big scheme of things.
I think Trump's Tariffs and smacking China is a way of crippling their military build up, they need us like a man needs air and without us and our dollars, they can't expand.
Add to that Trump's restoration of our military not seen since Reagan, puts us on a level leaps and bounds over China, in essence, he just kneecapped China's military growth and their design on Taiwan and trade routes in the South China Sea.

Now China will be forced into serious concessions, we're done playing the patsy to the rest of the world.

.

Could be Trump is forcing China to choose....their economy or North Korea???????

Those greedy,ursurous, money grubbing commies would sell their Mothers to the devil for a penny

Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 06:15:16 PM
Same here. Though I think its China, NK is a mere afterthought in the big scheme of things.
I think Trump's Tariffs and smacking China is a way of crippling their military build up, they need us like a man needs air and without us and our dollars, they can't expand.
Add to that Trump's restoration of our military not seen since Reagan, puts us on a level leaps and bounds over China, in essence, he just kneecapped China's military growth and their design on Taiwan and trade routes in the South China Sea.

Now China will be forced into serious concessions, we're done playing the patsy to the rest of the world.

The real world is a BITCH when you run out of making excuses. Just got fooled again. He will never finish his First term and the UNIPARTY are laughing there ass off about now. They have him by the BALLS and will squeeze harder in the months or come while they succeed in losing the mid terms. The IMPEACHMENT documents are already typed up. I guess the 4D chess playing better start kicking in soon 

I guess we will see if defense contractor  votes equal all the  people who dont show  up in Nov.

Quote from: nzone on March 23, 2018, 07:03:46 PM
The real world is a BITCH when you run out of making excuses. Just got fooled again. He will never finish his First term and the UNIPARTY are laughing there ass off about now. They have him by the BALLS and will squeeze harder in the months or come while they succeed in losing the mid terms. The IMPEACHMENT documents are already typed up. I guess the 4D chess playing better start kicking in soon 

I fail to understand your glee in all of this, or is it you've already sided with the left and see some shining light on the horizon that they have a tiny glimmer of hope in destroying the country?
I myself actually get it, I see the big picture, I get it that without a strong US, the world will fall to communism, but I guess you're fine with that. Obviously.

Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
After watching Trump for a year, I've come to a wait and see kind of approach. What other card is about to drop?
Trump has amazed with his masterful skill of manipulation, and even though he signed this POS, it's still a drop in the bucket of nearly 200 trillion in unfunded debt.
I'll wait and see what the coming weeks have to produce, Trump didn't do this to only have his base turn on him, I think he has another huge card to play, one that will make everyone forget what just happened.

I have to admit I don't have your optimism. Turnout is the key in mid term elections and conservatives might stay home in November. With that said Trump's ego might save the day. When he realizes how the media and the democrats are portraying this he'll go all scorched earth. That is why he was elected.

On a side not this abortion of a bill shows us we have a long way to go before the party is purged of spineless RINOS.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 23, 2018, 07:42:10 PM
I have to admit I don't have your optimism. Turnout is the key in mid term elections and conservatives might stay home in November. With that said Trump's ego might save the day. When he realizes how the media and the democrats are portraying this he'll go all scorched earth. That is why he was elected.

On a side not this abortion of a bill shows us we have a long way to go before the party is purged of spineless RINOS.

I wouldn't call it optimism, rather just looking at from a reality standpoint.

Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 08:30:50 PM
I wouldn't call it optimism, rather just looking at from a reality standpoint.

Trump got rolled. I don't think he really understood DC. He just got slapped in the face. This could be a good thing. Based on Trumps history he's going to napalm the DNC.

I hope.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 23, 2018, 08:42:00 PM
Trump got rolled. I don't think he really understood DC. He just got slapped in the face. This could be a good thing. Based on Trumps history he's going to napalm the DNC.

I hope.

I hope he bombs the gop'E. I've no doubt they explained just how they planned to damage him over a govt shutdown, so hopefully, lesson learned.

Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 08:45:04 PM
I hope he bombs the gop'E. I've no doubt they explained just how they planned to damage him over a govt shutdown, so hopefully, lesson learned.

First he needs to put Lindsey Graham in a cold shower because this bill gave Graham a raging mega boner. Graham wants to invade everybody.