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Title: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.

I would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.

The U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker's party.

If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.

If the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.

You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don't care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.

Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It's your revolting choice.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.

No one is forced to join the military.

QuoteI would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.
The gop'E is leftist, have you not been paying attention?

QuoteThe U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker's party.
If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.


So a 24th, Third party is going to do what?

QuoteIf the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.

You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don't care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.

Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It's your revolting choice.

Regards
DL

And still, the world flocks to our doors for freedom. Why is that?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 04, 2017, 01:40:10 PM

And still, the world flocks to our doors for freedom. Why is that?

Look again to where the majority of refugees go.

You talk a free line but do not walk your talk.

Your oligarch owners will not allow it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:49:25 PM
Look again to where the majority of refugees go.

You talk a free line but do not walk your talk.

Your oligarch owners will not allow it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Regards
DL

Your article's title:
"US is an oligarchy, not a democracy"

Oh, Good God, that made zero sense, and the title screams ignorance of our Republic Representative govt, not a Freakin Democracy, like failed that of your European style socialism. Fabian Socialism, to be exact!
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 04, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
Your article's title:
"US is an oligarchy, not a democracy"

Oh, Good God, that made zero sense, and the title screams ignorance of our Republic Representative govt, not a Freakin Democracy, like failed that of your European style socialism. Fabian Socialism, to be exact!

If you do not want to admit that it is money and those that have it that run your government, I am not surprised.

Reality escapes many.

This belies your view.

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
If you do not want to admit that it is money and those that have it that run your government, I am not surprised.

Reality escapes many.

This belies your view.

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27
So you actually think the US is the only country run by the rich?
Fool, every nation on earth is driven by money, that's life.
Do you deny European style, failed socialism, isn't driven by money?

At least the US has a Bill of Rights, all you have is...umm, failed socialism.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 04, 2017, 02:09:45 PM
So you actually think the US is the only country run by the rich?
Fool, every nation on earth is driven by money, that's life.
Do you deny European style, failed socialism, isn't driven by money?

At least the US has a Bill of Rights, all you have is...umm, failed socialism.

I agree that the oligarchs run the whole world.

You like to throw so many labels around that I do not know where you are coming from.

Regardless, your workers are not being represented by either your right or left and that is why the middle has to be strengthened.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:14:36 PM
I agree that the oligarchs run the whole world.

You like to throw so many labels around that I do not know where you are coming from.

Regardless, your workers are not being represented by either your right or left and that is why the middle has to be strengthened.

Regards
DL
As I suspected, you have no idea what ideology is running your country, or should I say, Ruining?

If you had even the slightest clue where you were posting, you'd never have entered. We are TEA Conservatives, Classic Liberals, in the image of our Founders, the base of America, and American Ideals, the very people trying to boot Marxists from both party's.

You aren't dealing with idiot Millennial kids, most of us remember a freer America, where one vote used to count, long before the monied interests of crony capitalists took over both party's.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 02:28:06 PM
Anyone else want to bat the little leftist around, I have some pressing issues down at the campsite, like taking a nap.
I'll be back in a bit, don't want to waste the last day of the Marxist holiday Ya know. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: walkstall on September 04, 2017, 02:32:36 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
If you do not want to admit that it is money and those that have it that run your government, I am not surprised.

Reality escapes many.

This belies your view.

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27


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Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 04, 2017, 02:21:44 PM
As I suspected, you have no idea what ideology is running your country, or should I say, Ruining?

If you had even the slightest clue where you were posting, you'd never have entered. We are TEA Conservatives, Classic Liberals, in the image of our Founders, the base of America, and American Ideals, the very people trying to boot Marxists from both party's.

You aren't dealing with idiot Millennial kids, most of us remember a freer America, where one vote used to count, long before the monied interests of crony capitalists took over both party's.

Liberal and conservative at the same time. Right and left wing. Way to go. :lol: :lol:

I too remember a different America and think a third party would bring back some of the old thinking. Most who write of such a time say we can never go back but the polarizing of today is not the same as the cooperation of yesteryear.

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Sauce on September 04, 2017, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Liberal and conservative at the same time. Right and left wing. Way to go. :lol: :lol:


If this where the Gong Show every member of this forum would be fighting each other to be the one to gong you off the forum..ERRR, stage.

Look up Classical Liberalism, then petition to come back on the show....ERR, forum.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Liberal and conservative at the same time. Right and left wing. Way to go. :lol: :lol:

I too remember a different America and think a third party would bring back some of the old thinking. Most who write of such a time say we can never go back but the polarizing of today is not the same as the cooperation of yesteryear.
What a freakin moron!
Take the time to learn the difference before posting evidence of your ignorance.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Sauce on September 04, 2017, 03:13:05 PM
If this where the Gong Show every member of this forum would be fighting each other to be the one to gong you off the forum..ERRR, stage.

Look up Classical Liberalism, then petition to come back on the show....ERR, forum.
I hate booting the ignorant, in hopes that we can in some way enlighten them, just a teeny bit.
Hell, he didn't even know his own political system is based in Fabian Socialism. Why do these morons post before reading some of the posts on this forum?
He'd have quickly discovered we are leaps and bounds beyond his limited education level, which is evidenced in his every post.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 04, 2017, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.

I would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.

The U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker's party.

If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.

If the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.

You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don't care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.

Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It's your revolting choice.

Regards
DL

Assuming a viable third party was established, how exactly would that "bring to heel" the rich?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Possum on September 04, 2017, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 04, 2017, 05:30:09 PM
Assuming a viable third party was established, how exactly would that "bring to heel" the rich?
Good question. Glad you asked it, I wasn't sure how to ask. In the 50+ years I have been watching politics I have seen many third party give it a try to gain leverage. But I don't know if they "bring to heel" the rich. Hell, I don't even know what "bring to heel" means, rich or otherwise. If it happens, how will we know? Sure hope Gnostic stays around awhile to help us out.

Gnostic, hope you don't mind just the first name basis, I feel we know you already. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 04, 2017, 05:30:09 PM
Assuming a viable third party was established, how exactly would that "bring to heel" the rich?
LOL!!! That'll show em, we'll split the vote even further, allowing them to continue to hold one party hostage.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
Quote from: s3779m on September 04, 2017, 05:38:46 PM
Good question. Glad you asked it, I wasn't sure how to ask. In the 50+ years I have been watching politics I have seen many third party give it a try to gain leverage. But I don't know if they "bring to heel" the rich. Hell, I don't even know what "bring to heel" means, rich or otherwise. If it happens, how will we know? Sure hope Gnostic stays around awhile to help us out.

Gnostic, hope you don't mind just the first name basis, I feel we know you already. :lol: :lol:
Of course we do, I take a gnostic every morning after my first cup of coffee, then wipe with his cousin, the atheist.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 04, 2017, 06:41:00 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.

I would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.

The U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker's party.

If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.

If the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.

You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don't care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.

Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It's your revolting choice.

Regards
DL

What we have here is a gallon of generalization mixed with few hand fulls of cliches and a whole lot of talking points.

So, this new fancy third party that has come to power, what do they do? If rich people are the problem (what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich) what do we do about them? Shoot them? Limit how much money they can make? Outlaw them? What legislation are you proposing? You are long on Bernie Sanders hysterics  and short on specifics.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: walkstall on September 04, 2017, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 04, 2017, 06:41:00 PM
What we have here is a gallon of generalization mixed with few hand fulls of cliches and a whole lot of talking points.

So, this new fancy third party that has come to power, what do they do? If rich people are the problem (what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich) what do we do about them? Shoot them? Limit how much money they can make? Outlaw them? What legislation are you proposing? You are long on Bernie Sanders hysterics  and short on specifics.


Quote(what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich)

Hmm..  My BIL went for his first gun permit, they ask him why, he said he carry's a lot of money.  They ask him how much :lol: he said 10.00$.  They said that not much money.  He look at them and said when 10.00$ is all you have that a hell a lot of money.   They gave him his permit.   :lol:   Rich is in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 04, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.

I would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.

The U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker's party.

If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.

If the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.

You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don't care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.

Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It's your revolting choice.

Regards
DL

A humble observation.
When politically charged topics are introduced, suggest authors be required to define their terms.
For example, Oligarchy was introduced undefined; and a predictable urinary contest immediately commenced.
Oligarchy (from Greek) is rule/command in the hands of the few; which was the norm in Greece and Rome.
But why among them???
Because these Ancients knew in their soul that Men were NOT equal and NEVER could be, as our Creator imprinted each of us w/differentiating attitudes, behaviors, impulses and traits, (from Plato), the astonishing miracle of Creation. This is the catalyst for Man's creativity.
As such, they accepted the rule of the wise who had demonstrated a record of achievement and held them accountable.
Some 2000 years later, the French insisted the Greeks got it all wrong, the former conjuring up their asinine notion of "egalitarianism" ; which underpins virtually all current political thought, be it on the left or right!!!!!


Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 04, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
A humble observation.
When politically charged topics are introduced, suggest authors be required to define their terms.
For example, Oligarchy was introduced undefined; and a predictable urinary contest immediately commenced.
Oligarchy (from Greek) is rule/command in the hands of the few; which was the norm in Greece and Rome.
But why among them???
Because these Ancients knew in their soul that Men were NOT equal and NEVER could be, as our Creator imprinted each of us w/differentiating attitudes, behaviors, impulses and traits, (from Plato), the astonishing miracle of Creation. This is the catalyst for Man's creativity.
As such, they accepted the rule of the wise who had demonstrated a record of achievement and held them accountable.
Some 2000 years later, the French insisted the Greeks got it all wrong, the former conjuring up their asinine notion of "egalitarianism" ; which underpins virtually all current political thought, be it on the left or right!!!!!
So you're saying our Founders were wrong when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? :wink:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,"
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 04, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 04, 2017, 08:01:28 PM
So you're saying our Founders were wrong when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? :wink:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,"

I'm saying that Jefferson was both a Founder as well a great and wise Man; yet at his core he was a Politician, strongly influenced by the Enlightenment.
He was a Minister, then later Sec'y of State to the Revolutionary Gov't in Paris, for some 6 years, and remained a vocal supporter of the ideas of the French Revolution, throughout his life.
He can hardly hold a candle to Plato, one of the pillars of Western Civilization.
That Men are not created equal is self-evident from history.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 05, 2017, 02:24:38 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:33:24 PM


Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It's your revolting choice.

Regards
DL


Who are "the rich" going to start a nuclear war with?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 06:58:37 AM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 04, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
I'm saying that Jefferson was both a Founder as well a great and wise Man; yet at his core he was a Politician, strongly influenced by the Enlightenment.
He was a Minister, then later Sec'y of State to the Revolutionary Gov't in Paris, for some 6 years, and remained a vocal supporter of the ideas of the French Revolution, throughout his life.
He can hardly hold a candle to Plato, one of the pillars of Western Civilization.
That Men are not created equal is self-evident from history.

Jefferson, in his own right, towers over Plato as a leader in 'our modern day revolution' where helping create arguably, one of the greatest working documents/governments in history and unleashing the greatest Nation on earth.

Plato: "Our object in the construction of the State is the greatest happiness of the whole, and not that of any one class."
It would appear you may have misunderstood what Plato was saying?

Socrates mentored Plato, Plato went on to mentor others, Jefferson's life is a culmination of historical events that came well after the great philosophers, where he experienced and gleaned knowledge not yet experienced in Plato' times.

So no, you don't believe that all are equal under the law?
It appears you are confusing God Given Rights, with abilities.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 04, 2017, 05:30:09 PM
Assuming a viable third party was established, how exactly would that "bring to heel" the rich?

By just talking about how the rest of us are basically screwed by the current system which has become immora and looks more like slavery than a sharing of profits and resourcesl.

Do you see this graph as moral or something else?

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: s3779m on September 04, 2017, 05:38:46 PM
Good question. Glad you asked it, I wasn't sure how to ask. In the 50+ years I have been watching politics I have seen many third party give it a try to gain leverage. But I don't know if they "bring to heel" the rich. Hell, I don't even know what "bring to heel" means, rich or otherwise. If it happens, how will we know? Sure hope Gnostic stays around awhile to help us out.

Gnostic, hope you don't mind just the first name basis, I feel we know you already. :lol: :lol:

No problem.

Bring to heel, in this case, means having the hockey stick graph I put above become more equitable than what it is with the rich being heavily favored while the rest go begging.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 04, 2017, 06:41:00 PM

So, this new fancy third party that has come to power, what do they do? If rich people are the problem (what is "rich"? you haven't bothered to define rich) what do we do about them? Shoot them? Limit how much money they can make? Outlaw them? What legislation are you proposing? You are long on Bernie Sanders hysterics  and short on specifics.

If I have to define rich for you, a well defined term, then I do not think we will chat much.

You seem to want to accomplish wealth redistribution with force instead of legislation.

That is not what I would do.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/richest-62-people-money-poorest-50-article-1.2500284

Given the above article, do you think redistribution is a good thing?

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 04, 2017, 07:47:14 PM
A humble observation.
When politically charged topics are introduced, suggest authors be required to define their terms.
For example, Oligarchy was introduced undefined; and a predictable urinary contest immediately commenced.
Oligarchy (from Greek) is rule/command in the hands of the few; which was the norm in Greece and Rome.
But why among them???
Because these Ancients knew in their soul that Men were NOT equal and NEVER could be, as our Creator imprinted each of us w/differentiating attitudes, behaviors, impulses and traits, (from Plato), the astonishing miracle of Creation. This is the catalyst for Man's creativity.
As such, they accepted the rule of the wise who had demonstrated a record of achievement and held them accountable.
Some 2000 years later, the French insisted the Greeks got it all wrong, the former conjuring up their asinine notion of "egalitarianism" ; which underpins virtually all current political thought, be it on the left or right!!!!!

In philosophy, the definition of terms happens after the dialog, not before.

General acceptance of terms is a prerequisite to a profitable dialog.

As to egalitarian or communistic leanings, I know of no political party that is promoting a flat socio economic demographic pyramid. We all live in pyramidal hierarchical demographys.

No one wants to change that to a flat one.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 09:46:32 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
By just talking about how the rest of us are basically screwed by the current system which has become immora and looks more like slavery than a sharing of profits and resourcesl.

Do you see this graph as moral or something else?

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Regards
DL

TEA took down the Dim party in 2010, 2014, 2016 and about to take over the gop'E in 2018, and you are somehow fooled into believing a 3rd party, err make that, 24th, 3rd party attempt is somehow going to become viable, how?
Let me clue you in on a few issues that need solving first. All the corporate money pushes the party with the best chance for power, secondly, you need to draw all the Conservatives to this new party, the leaders of the Conservative caucus must first abandon the GOP, or no one is going to abandon the party, they'll stick with the likes of Cruz, Gohmert, Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, etc, too many to list.
https://www.conservativereview.com/top-25-conservatives

Point is, all another 3rd party movement would accomplish, is allowing the leftist to further entrench themselves into a single party, while splitting the base support in another failed direction.

TEA, We, are but a few votes shy of stealing the House from the RINO Marxists.
Think about that, and stop using this "us" Bull Shit, you're a Canuck..
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: tac on September 05, 2017, 09:57:59 AM
This fool reminds me of a troll that use to infest conservative forums years ago, went by the name yukon. He also used padre, digsbody and a few others. He also was a crazy canuck.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: tac on September 05, 2017, 09:57:59 AM
This fool reminds me of a troll that use to infest conservative forums years ago, went by the name yukon. He also used padre, digsbody and a few others. He also was a crazy canuck.
LOL! Yukon, I remember that nut! :lol:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 10:55:48 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 05, 2017, 02:24:38 AM

Who are "the rich" going to start a nuclear war with?

Other rich people.

It is all about market share and profiting from having the lower classes dying to have the rich get richer.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 10:56:29 AM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 04, 2017, 08:58:08 PM

That Men are not created equal is self-evident from history.

+ 1

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 05, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2017, 06:58:37 AM
Jefferson, in his own right, towers over Plato as a leader in 'our modern day revolution' where helping create arguably, one of the greatest working documents/governments in history and unleashing the greatest Nation on earth.

Plato: "Our object in the construction of the State is the greatest happiness of the whole, and not that of any one class."
It would appear you may have misunderstood what Plato was saying?

Socrates mentored Plato, Plato went on to mentor others, Jefferson's life is a culmination of historical events that came well after the great philosophers, where he experienced and gleaned knowledge not yet experienced in Plato' times.

So no, you don't believe that all are equal under the law?
It appears you are confusing God Given Rights, with abilities.

As I have never had a conversation Jefferson, his plain words that "All men are created equal", written w/o either exception or qualification, speak for themselves.
It is his devotees thru history, who apparently do have regular conversations w/him, and insist he 'meant' this or that. As such, they have already lost the argument.
How judicial entities behave determines equality under the law, not philosophical assertions.
As for Plato, I'm confusing/misunderstanding nothing, having read "The Republic", in Greek, often some 60 year ago, under the watchful ear of Brother Arrian, who refused to tolerate confusion.
Incidentally, the Sharffenberger Edition of The Republic, included positive commentary from the following:
Aristotle / Plutarch / Erasmus / Hegel / Emerson / Kierkegaard / Marx (yes that one) /Nietzsche /Whitehead and Yeats; among others.
Repeating earlier comments, for us moderns, bullshit is our opiate which is why we tolerate the leadership we do.
Wrapping ourselves in pious platitudes such as "We are the greatest" we refuse to reflect on the roots of our heritage. Then we throw a rowdy tantrum when matters go predictably poorly.
From the Ancients , through the High Middle Ages on to the dawn of the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution; History is replete w/the greatest minds ever created who fill some 30 volumes of the Britannica.
But we know better, giving new meaning to the descriptive; "way beyond absurd."
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 05, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
As I have never had a conversation Jefferson, his plain words that "All men are created equal", written w/o either exception or qualification, speak for themselves.
Nor have you had a conversation with Plato, either!
Read the damned Declaration of Independence, he did most certainly qualify the Exact meaning "All men are created equal", and for a damn good reason!

QuoteIt is his devotees thru history, who apparently do have regular conversations w/him, and insist he 'meant' this or that. As such, they have already lost the argument.
Seriously? The man was responsible for our very form of govt, he penned many letters to its effect. Made so clear, a child could understand it!

QuoteHow judicial entities behave determines equality under the law, not philosophical assertions.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Jefferson!

QuoteAs for Plato, I'm confusing/misunderstanding nothing, having read "The Republic", in Greek, often some 60 year ago, under the watchful ear of Brother Arrian, who refused to tolerate confusion.
Incidentally, the Sharffenberger Edition of The Republic, included positive commentary from the following:
Aristotle / Plutarch / Erasmus / Hegel / Emerson / Kierkegaard / Marx (yes that one) /Nietzsche /Whitehead and Yeats; among others.
Repeating earlier comments, for us moderns, bullshit is our opiate which is why we tolerate the leadership we do.
Wrapping ourselves in pious platitudes such as "We are the greatest" we refuse to reflect on the roots of our heritage. Then we throw a rowdy tantrum when matters go predictably poorly.
From the Ancients , through the High Middle Ages on to the dawn of the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution; History is replete w/the greatest minds ever created who fill some 30 volumes of the Britannica.
But we know better, giving new meaning to the descriptive; "way beyond absurd."

Blah blah blah, I read it while sitting in the backseat of a 47 Dodge, so freakin what?
It doesn't take a scholar to understand what he was saying, regardless of what language you read it in, his meaning is solidly clear.
Maybe it's time you brushed up on recent history, like maybe the last 250 years?

The past is a road map to current times, a subject Jefferson was light years ahead of you on.
What have you accomplished that equals that of our Founders?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 05, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
By just talking about how the rest of us are basically screwed by the current system which has become immora and looks more like slavery than a sharing of profits and resourcesl.

Do you see this graph as moral or something else?

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Regards
DL

Just by talking? Why do we need another party to simply talk? No legislative ideas, just talk?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 05, 2017, 06:11:48 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
If I have to define rich for you, a well defined term, then I do not think we will chat much.

It's subjective.

QuoteYou seem to want to accomplish wealth redistribution with force instead of legislation.

I do? Where did I say that?

QuoteThat is not what I would do.

You have yet to articulate what you would do aside from talk

Quotehttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/richest-62-people-money-poorest-50-article-1.2500284

Given the above article, do you think redistribution is a good thing?



Not forced redistribution.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 05, 2017, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Nor have you had a conversation with Plato, either!
Read the damned Declaration of Independence, he did most certainly qualify the Exact meaning "All men are created equal", and for a damn good reason!
Seriously? The man was responsible for our very form of govt, he penned many letters to its effect. Made so clear, a child could understand it!
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Jefferson!

Blah blah blah, I read it while sitting in the backseat of a 47 Dodge, so freakin what?
It doesn't take a scholar to understand what he was saying, regardless of what language you read it in, his meaning is solidly clear.
Maybe it's time you brushed up on recent history, like maybe the last 250 years?

The past is a road map to current times, a subject Jefferson was light years ahead of you on.
What have you accomplished that equals that of our Founders?

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Hmm................. so another abusive, graceless and ignorant rant; as someone who has dealt w/you in the past alerted me about.  How predictable!
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2017, 02:26:07 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 10:55:48 AM
Other rich people.

It is all about market share and profiting from having the lower classes dying to have the rich get richer.

Regards
DL

What other "rich people"?   If you mean Iran then yeah they are rich, especially after your boy Obamao gave them a couple billion in unmarked bills. I don't think anybody in North Korea is Rich, not even yung son fool ( a Marxist like yourself). Those are about the only two countries I can think of who would actually want a Nuclear war.

Only certified nut jobs want a nuclear war.

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 04:50:59 AM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 05, 2017, 08:43:32 PM
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Hmm................. so another abusive, graceless and ignorant rant; as someone who has dealt w/you in the past alerted me about.  How predictable!

Abusive? Wahh, cry me a fuckin river! I challenged your world view/bubble and you whine about it?
Just because you are under the illusion you're somehow right, yet can't prove your case, in some way makes me evil, too fuckin bad! Grow a Set!.
This is a debate forum, so if you can't handle being challenged to think beyond what some other arrogant twit taught you to believe, you won't last long on any forum.

This is a Political Forum, where ideas and ideals are debated and if you can't debate, that's not my problem.

Had you paid attention to the  :wink: at the end of my post, you'd have noted I was merely jesting you, it was not to say you were right or wrong, merely a way to get you to check your verbiage.
"So you're saying our Founders were wrong when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? :wink:"
Most would have laughed and moved on, having realized what they'd actually said.

Not everything need be taken offensively, the best course of action would have been to simply acknowledge the point to oneself and move on.
Your anal overreaction is what led to your frustration in failing to make your case, instead, I'm suddenly the bad guy for challenging your belief system, well guess what?

That's who we are, a group of people that challenge libs belief system on a daily basis, so if you can't handle being challenged, I'm sure you'll find other forums more suited for your mettle.
https://disboards.com/
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 05:52:07 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
No problem.

Bring to heel, in this case, means having the hockey stick graph I put above become more equitable than what it is with the rich being heavily favored while the rest go begging.

Regards
DL

It's not fair the rich can't keep their money.  If you had an morals, you'd find a rich person and thank them for enriching our society.  Maybe you could offer to wash their car or something.  That would be the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 05:55:22 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 05:52:07 AM
It's not fair the rich can't keep their money.  If you had an morals, you'd find a rich person and thank them for enriching our society.  Maybe you could offer to wash their car or something.  That would be the right thing to do.
Or he'll get lucky and that guy that collects cans for a living will give him a job.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 05:56:37 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 05:55:22 AM
Or he'll get lucky and that guy that collects cans for a living will give him a job.

He'll raise his fist and protest that the guy has more cans and it's not fair.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:04:19 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 05:56:37 AM
He'll raise his fist and protest that the guy has more cans and it's not fair.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Damn those low income people, they never create jobs, there needs to be a law!
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 06:06:09 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:04:19 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Damn those low income people, they never create jobs, there needs to be a law!

...then he won't shower for a few weeks and walk around with a Che Guevara shirt.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:16:29 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 06:06:09 AM
...then he won't shower for a few weeks and walk around with a Che Guevara shirt.
Wait, are you saying he'll have to get a job working for some rich bastard?
Say it isn't so, his arch nemesis, rich people hoard all the jobs, again, there needs to be a law that poor people build businesses, it's just not right, not right I tell ya!
I see an evil conspiracy, where the rich steal all the jobs so the poor stay poor. Yeah, that's the ticket...
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 06:20:07 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:16:29 AM
Wait, are you saying he'll have to get a job working for some rich bastard?
Say it isn't so, his arch nemesis, rich people hoard all the jobs, again, there needs to be a law that poor people build businesses, it's just not right, not right I tell ya!
I see an evil conspiracy, where the rich steal all the jobs so the poor stay poor. Yeah, that's the ticket...

He seems like the type that would enroll in online college.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:31:46 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 06:20:07 AM
He seems like the type that would enroll in online college.
Well, Liberal Arts degrees are cheaper on line, but then, no one ever checks a accreditation of lib degrees, so save your money, print one yourself, TP has more value.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:24:55 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 05, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
Just by talking? Why do we need another party to simply talk? No legislative ideas, just talk?

Answer my question with an answer and not a question like a bot or move along my friend.

I am here to learn as well as teach and cannot know which I am doing without your input.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:29:11 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:24:55 AM
Answer my question with an answer and not a question like a bot or move along my friend.

I am here to learn as well as teach and cannot know which I am doing without your input.

Regards
DL

Have you been to college?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:30:09 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 05, 2017, 06:11:48 PM
It's subjective.

I do? Where did I say that?

You have yet to articulate what you would do aside from talk

Not forced redistribution.

Ghandi called the imposition of poverty by the rich against the poor immoral.

Given the graph I showed you, would you say that the U.S position is a moral one or an immoral one in terms of our socio economic demographic pyramid?

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:30:09 AM
Ghandi called the imposition of poverty by the rich against the poor immoral.

Given the graph I showed you, would you say that the U.S position is a moral one or an immoral one in terms of our socio economic demographic pyramid?

Regards
DL

We're the best country, so we're definitely the most moral.  That's pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:32:32 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2017, 02:26:07 AM
What other "rich people"?   If you mean Iran then yeah they are rich, especially after your boy Obamao gave them a couple billion in unmarked bills. I don't think anybody in North Korea is Rich, not even yung son fool ( a Marxist like yourself). Those are about the only two countries I can think of who would actually want a Nuclear war.

Only certified nut jobs want a nuclear war.

Only certified nut jobs throw labels onto people the way you are doing.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 07:35:43 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:24:55 AM
Answer my question with an answer and not a question like a bot or move along my friend.

I am here to learn as well as teach and cannot know which I am doing without your input.

Regards
DL
I see, so it's fine for others to take the time to post well thought out posts for you to ignore, but someone doesn't respond the way you like, you tell them to move along?
Boo is one of my Mods, and if he asked you a qualifying question, there's a good reason for it.
You gave nothing more than the claim of a third party is needed, yet failed to clarify what that entailed, Boo merely inquired for expansion of your assertion, so obviously, it is you who failed to address the issue first.

Now, like I said, you avoided a post on the subject earlier,  defining as to why one more party simply entrenches the party you're trying to subvert in the first place.
So go back and respond to my post and quit fuckin trolling!
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:36:45 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 05:52:07 AM
It's not fair the rich can't keep their money.  If you had an morals, you'd find a rich person and thank them for enriching our society.  Maybe you could offer to wash their car or something.  That would be the right thing to do.

Your morality does not agree with Gandhi and other moral thinkers.

Jesus said to look to the poor and that is definitely not what the super rich are doing.

Their wealth comes from taking advantage of the markets and labor.

Labor is being abused.

Regards
DL 
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:39:27 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:29:11 AM
Have you been to college?

If you have you should know this.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:40:14 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:36:45 AM
Your morality does not agree with Gandhi and other moral thinkers.
Ghandi smelled like dung.  Most people from India crap in the sand.

Quote
Jesus said to look to the poor and that is definitely not what the super rich are doing.
I look to the poor every day.  Who else am I going to point and laugh at?

Quote
Their wealth comes from taking advantage of the markets and labor.
Everybody's wealth comes from working.

Quote
Labor is being abused.
Poor people don't work hard enough.  They need to get an education and stop being lazy.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:39:27 AM
If you have you should know this.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Regards
DL

If you're embarrassed then don't worry about it.  There are online colleges you can enroll in, even if you're in a different country, which you sound like you are.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:41:39 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:31:39 AM
We're the best country, so we're definitely the most moral.  That's pretty obvious.

That must be why you have the highest numbers in jail, abortion and single parent homes.

Will you answer my question on morality now or are we done?

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:41:39 AM
That must be why you have the highest numbers in jail, abortion and single parent homes.
...and we're still above third world countries like Mexico and Canada.

Quote
Will you answer my question on morality now or are we done?
Of course I'm moral.  I'm a free market capitalist.  That is of the highest level of morality.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:43:49 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 07:35:43 AM
I see, so it's fine for others to take the time to post well thought out posts for you to ignore, but someone doesn't respond the way you like, you tell them to move along?
Boo is one of my Mods, and if he asked you a qualifying question, there's a good reason for it.
You gave nothing more than the claim of a third party is needed, yet failed to clarify what that entailed, Boo merely inquired for expansion of your assertion, so obviously, it is you who failed to address the issue first.

Now, like I said, you avoided a post on the subject earlier,  defining as to why one more party simply entrenches the party you're trying to subvert in the first place.
So go back and respond to my post and quit fuckin trolling!

As you put elsewhere, bla,bla bla bla.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:49:30 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:43:49 AM
As you put elsewhere, bla,bla bla bla.

You should become a free market capitalist.  You'd like it.  It would do a lot for your self esteem.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:43:49 AM
As you put elsewhere, bla,bla bla bla.

Regards
DL
Then I'll post it one last time pending your response.

QuoteTEA took down the Dim party in 2010, 2014, 2016 and about to take over the gop'E in 2018, and you are somehow fooled into believing a 3rd party, err make that, 24th, 3rd party attempt is somehow going to become viable, how?
Let me clue you in on a few issues that need solving first. All the corporate money pushes the party with the best chance for power, secondly, you need to draw all the Conservatives to this new party, the leaders of the Conservative caucus must first abandon the GOP, or no one is going to abandon the party, they'll stick with the likes of Cruz, Gohmert, Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, etc, too many to list.
https://www.conservativereview.com/top-25-conservatives

Point is, all another 3rd party movement would accomplish, is allowing the leftist to further entrench themselves into a single party, while splitting the base support in another failed direction.

TEA, We, are but a few votes shy of stealing the House from the RINO Marxists.
Think about that, and stop using this "us" Bull Shit, you're a Canuck..

All of this verified fact. So tell me, with this understanding, how is a 23rd, third party movement going to help?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 07:40:14 AM
Ghandi smelled like dung.  Most people from India crap in the sand.
I look to the poor every day.  Who else am I going to point and laugh at?
Everybody's wealth comes from working.
Poor people don't work hard enough.  They need to get an education and stop being lazy.
Gandhi was also a socialist, so it only figures a Canuck would use him as a reference, a country without a Bill of Rights, where majority dictate the law of the day.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
Gandhi was also a socialist, so it only figures a Canuck would use him as a reference, a country without a Bill of Rights, where majority dictate the law of the day.

I figured he was from Canada.  Not only do they have a crappy health care system, their education system completely fails them on the subject of economics.

I feel sorry for them.  I wish we could help somehow.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
So tell me, with this understanding, how is a 23rd, third party movement going to help?

Ask those who run as independents in your country.

To think that there are only two ways to think of things is how your country has polarized itself to where your government does not work anymore.

When legislation in other countries with more parties, who have to cooperate to pas laws, you will find that much better laws get written from the get go.

That is why most civilized countries have a single payer government health care system.

They show how a nation should care for it's people but it seems yopu would put profits ahead of people.

Regards
DL

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 08:34:34 AM
Ask those who run as independents in your country.

To think that there are only two ways to think of things is how your country has polarized itself to where your government does not work anymore.

When legislation in other countries with more parties, who have to cooperate to pas laws, you will find that much better laws get written from the get go.

That is why most civilized countries have a single payer government health care system.

They show how a nation should care for it's people but it seems yopu would put profits ahead of people.

Regards
DL

You guys have a 3rd world health care system.  Even your politicians come here when they need care:

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-Canadian-premier-seeks-health-care-in-U-S-3198150.php


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Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 08:37:27 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 08:16:17 AM
I figured he was from Canada.  Not only do they have a crappy health care system, their education system completely fails them on the subject of economics.

I feel sorry for them.  I wish we could help somehow.
Close the border, make them pull their own weight? Tough love and all that. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 08:37:47 AM
QuoteLawmakers should take Williams' case to heart. Canada's experience shows that government health care leads to waiting lists, rationing and lower quality of care.

For instance, Canada suffers from a scarcity of physicians. Over the last decade, about 11 percent of doctors trained in Canadian medical schools have come to the United States to practice. Physicians' salaries are set at artificially low levels by provincial authorities: The average Canadian doctor makes just 42 percent of what an American physician does.
Canadian patients also face wait times for medical procedures. Nearly 700,000 Canadians are on a waiting list for surgery or other treatments.

A Canadian patient has to wait roughly four months for the average surgical or other therapeutic treatment. Wait times were similar a decade ago - even though the government has substantially increased health care spending since then.

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Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 08:38:26 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 08:12:40 AM
Gandhi was also a socialist, so it only figures a Canuck would use him as a reference, a country without a Bill of Rights, where majority dictate the law of the day.

Thoughtless and wrong. As usual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bill_of_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 08:38:26 AM
Thoughtless and wrong. As usual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bill_of_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

Regards
DL

We are all friends.  Don't think you guys are alone.  If someone ever attacked you, we're here to protect you.  When you need health care, you're more than welcome to hop the border and use our private health care.

I love Canada.  I consider you guys our girlfriend.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 09:39:26 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 08:38:26 AM
Thoughtless and wrong. As usual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bill_of_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

Regards
DL
ROFL!
"Gandhian socialism is the branch of socialism based on the nationalist interpretation of the theories of the founding father of the Republic of India, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Gandhian socialism generally centres on Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule authored by Gandhi.

Federation of political and economical power and demonstrating a traditionalist reluctance towards the modernisation of technology and large scale industrialisation whilst emphasising self-employment and self-reliance are key features of Gandhian Socialism.

Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the leader of the generally rightist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and other party leaders incorporated Gandhian socialism as one of the concepts for the party."

From your link. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

QuoteIt provides Canadians with certain quasi-constitutional[2] rights at Canadian federal law in relation to other federal statutes. It was the earliest expression of human rights law at the federal level in Canada, though an Implied Bill of Rights had already been recognized in the Canadian Common Law.

Implied, meaning: "state indirectly", so unlike our Bill of Rights, which literally forbids the govt from writing laws to its effect, Canada kind of has a quasi or implied set of directives. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 09:39:26 AM
ROFL!
"Gandhian socialism is the branch of socialism based on the nationalist interpretation of the theories of the founding father of the Republic of India, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Gandhian socialism generally centres on Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule authored by Gandhi.

Federation of political and economical power and demonstrating a traditionalist reluctance towards the modernisation of technology and large scale industrialisation whilst emphasising self-employment and self-reliance are key features of Gandhian Socialism.

Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the leader of the generally rightist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and other party leaders incorporated Gandhian socialism as one of the concepts for the party."

From your link. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Implied, meaning: "state indirectly", so unlike our Bill of Rights, which literally forbids the govt from writing laws to its effect, Canada kind of has a quasi or implied set of directives. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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No Canadian has ever walked on the Moon, and they have 6 month wait times for stuff like MRIs... no wonder he looks up to Gandhi!!
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No Canadian has ever walked on the Moon, and they have 6 month wait times for stuff like MRIs... no wonder he looks up to Gandhi!!
OUCH!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 09:45:23 AM
OUCH!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh thank God I was born in the United States.  Can you imagine?  I guess it's OK for him because he doesn't know better.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
Oh thank God I was born in the United States.  Can you imagine?  I guess it's OK for him because he doesn't know better.
I suspect he went straight to WIKI, instead of his own Govt web page, simply because he had no idea whether or not they had a Bill of Rights, which is simply one implied by name.

"its usefulness at federal law in Canada is mostly limited to issues pertaining to the enjoyment of property".   

WTF, that's what constitutes a Bill of Rights in Canada?
You can own property? How freakin generous of Canada. :lol:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 09:55:21 AM
I suspect he went straight to WIKI, instead of his own Govt web page, simply because he had no idea whether or not they had a Bill of Rights, which is simply one implied by name.

"its usefulness at federal law in Canada is mostly limited to issues pertaining to the enjoyment of property".   

WTF, that's what constitutes a Bill of Rights in Canada?
You can own property? How freakin generous of Canada. :lol:

http://propertyrightsguide.ca/are-property-rights-protected-in-canadian-law/

QuoteCanadians are sometimes surprised to learn that the right to property is not afforded the same constitutional protection that exists in other countries such as Australia, India, and the United States.


http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Private+property+rights+precarious+Canada/7922636/story.html

QuoteWhy are property rights important?

Property rights allow us to live free of the control of others, economically and politically, and act as a defence against the encroaching power of governments.

In fact, a weakening of property rights is a sure sign that a society is becoming less free.

In our comfortable Canadian existence, we sometimes forget the link that exists between individual dignity and property rights, and between the role property rights plays in ensuring our prosperity.

While most of the industrialized world has guaranteed property rights within their constitutions, indicating the value they place on ensuring a free society, Canada hasn't.

And while common law tradition recognizes outright expropriation should never occur without compensation, Canadian governments have given themselves the power, through the passage of laws and regulations, to expropriate private property without consultation or compensation.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  Oh I love Canada.....

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
http://propertyrightsguide.ca/are-property-rights-protected-in-canadian-law/


http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Private+property+rights+precarious+Canada/7922636/story.html


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
But hey, at least it's "Implied" emphasis on LIED, mine. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 10:16:32 AM
No wonder Canadians flood our borders for health care:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F343%2F989%2F61e.jpg&hash=444ccc09b768a738415c7e3662d9ed9d9837d36c)
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
But hey, at least it's "Implied" emphasis on LIED, mine. :biggrin:

You can take my house... but don't take my 6 month health care wait times, ey!...
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 10:18:39 AM
I apologize to Canadians.  It's not your fault you're a 3rd world country.  I do it out of love.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 10:28:29 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 10:16:32 AM
No wonder Canadians flood our borders for health care:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F343%2F989%2F61e.jpg&hash=444ccc09b768a738415c7e3662d9ed9d9837d36c)
Holy Crap! Those wait times in many cases are a death sentence! :scared:

But hey, They still have what the govt calls an ahemmm... Bill of rights? :rolleyes:


Here's the funny part. Libs claim health care is a right. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 10:35:28 AM
Freedom of speech in Canada is protected as a "fundamental freedom" by Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

More Quasi Bull Shit! This comes with an exception as well.

Canada Passes Law Criminalizing Use Of Wrong Gender Pronouns


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-20/canada-passes-law-criminalizing-use-wrong-gender-pronouns
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2017, 10:57:53 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:32:32 AM
Only certified nut jobs throw labels onto people the way you are doing.

Regards
DL

I'm not trying to start a nuclear war so I'm not certifiable in that way, anyhow, you don't think Kim Jung -un is a Marxist? And are you not a Marxist?


Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2017, 11:03:44 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 08:16:17 AM
I figured he was from Canada.  Not only do they have a crappy health care system, their education system completely fails them on the subject of economics.

I feel sorry for them.  I wish we could help somehow.

Wait until all the "refugee's" who are fleeing the USA to avoid the re-establishment of the Rule of Law by Trump begin to transform Canada into the next Sweden.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2017, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:24:55 AM


I am here to learn as well as teach and cannot know which I am doing without your input.

Regards
DL


You are doing neither
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 11:53:50 AM
You'll love this one.  :rolleyes:

The Internet has become the gates of communication whether it is through interacting with each other or providing a wide selection of information to the public. Free speech and the use of the Internet ties with the capability of governments restricting free expression and the use of the Internet.[10]:81 Although the Internet seems an innovative and sure form of media, it is potentially associated with irresponsible speech and dangers with it. A 2008 study by the National Research Council of Canada broadly elaborated on user-generated video and the prevalence of the internet as potentially meaningful for civil society and the development of free expression through digital means in Atlantic Canada.[21]

Richard Posner, an American jurist and legal theorist, identifies four means of publication:

Anonymity: The Internet permits users and creators of communications to remain hidden. This makes it far easier to produce, create and consume false, illegal, and dangerous material such as child pornography or hate speech.

Lack of quality control: Almost anyone can post almost anything on the Internet. On the Internet unsubstantiated assertions are as easily published as well-researched articles.

Huge potential audience: The Internet provides access to millions of potential readers and viewers across the world. This can magnify any harm cause by speech
Antisocial people find their soul mates: People with odd, eccentric, subversive, and dangerous views can find each other very easily on the Internet. Such people become emboldened not only to express their ideas, but also to act upon them, their self-confidence bolstered by membership in a community of believers. This can bring dangers of people such as pedophiles.

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
We are all friends.  Don't think you guys are alone.  If someone ever attacked you, we're here to protect you.  When you need health care, you're more than welcome to hop the border and use our private health care.

I love Canada.  I consider you guys our girlfriend.

Most Canadians loved you Yanks more before you took your massive turn to the right wing of your political spectrum.

There is no doubt to me that the left had let the right down by going too far to the left.

As you can see with Trump's immigration policy, your own courts will not let you go that far to the right.

Promoting white supremacists and other such groups does not bode well either.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:10:06 PM
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2017, 10:16:32 AM
No wonder Canadians flood our borders for health care:

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F343%2F989%2F61e.jpg&hash=444ccc09b768a738415c7e3662d9ed9d9837d36c)

That is a lot of people waiting, eh.

But guess what, none are dying or going bankrupt.

Compare that to the slowly dying Americans who cannot afford medical care or go bankrupt if they happen to get ill.

Americans are nearly the only major free world country that care so little about it's people that they will let illness bankrupt their citizens.

But hey, if you like paying more than most for your health care system, go ahead. Canadians may not like to see your people go bankrupt but if you do ----

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
Most Canadians loved you Yanks more before you took your massive turn to the right wing of your political spectrum.

There is no doubt to me that the left had let the right down by going too far to the left.

As you can see with Trump's immigration policy, your own courts will not let you go that far to the right.

Promoting white supremacists and other such groups does not bode well either.

Regards
DL
Last chance to respond to my Reply #63.
Or expect a timeout.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 10:35:28 AM
Freedom of speech in Canada is protected as a "fundamental freedom" by Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

More Quasi Bull Shit! This comes with an exception as well.

Canada Passes Law Criminalizing Use Of Wrong Gender Pronouns


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-20/canada-passes-law-criminalizing-use-wrong-gender-pronouns

"Great news," announced Justin Trudeau, Canada's prime minister. "Bill C-16 has passed the Senate – making it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity or expression."

Do you think it good to discriminate negatively based on gender?

If not, why do you resent that we do not either?

Regards
DL

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:18:39 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2017, 11:18:21 AM

You are doing neither

That is what I said.

Quite bright of you to show you can repeat. That is a Marxist trait.

Oops. I did what you did.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 12:13:41 PM
Last chance to respond to my Reply #63.
Or expect a timeout.

Been there and done that.

Shove your threat where it belongs.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 06, 2017, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 04:50:59 AM
Abusive? Wahh, cry me a fuckin river! I challenged your world view/bubble and you whine about it?
Just because you are under the illusion you're somehow right, yet can't prove your case, in some way makes me evil, too fuckin bad! Grow a Set!.
This is a debate forum, so if you can't handle being challenged to think beyond what some other arrogant twit taught you to believe, you won't last long on any forum.

This is a Political Forum, where ideas and ideals are debated and if you can't debate, that's not my problem.

Had you paid attention to the  :wink: at the end of my post, you'd have noted I was merely jesting you, it was not to say you were right or wrong, merely a way to get you to check your verbiage.
"So you're saying our Founders were wrong when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? :wink:"
Most would have laughed and moved on, having realized what they'd actually said.

Not everything need be taken offensively, the best course of action would have been to simply acknowledge the point to oneself and move on.
Your anal overreaction is what led to your frustration in failing to make your case, instead, I'm suddenly the bad guy for challenging your belief system, well guess what?

That's who we are, a group of people that challenge libs belief system on a daily basis, so if you can't handle being challenged, I'm sure you'll find other forums more suited for your mettle.
https://disboards.com/

Solar,

I'm guilty of the abuse and gracelessness I leveled against you.
Forgive me, as I formally apologize,

Walter Josh
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 06, 2017, 02:32:52 PM
Solar,

I'm guilty of the abuse and gracelessness I leveled against you.
Forgive me, as I formally apologize,

Walter Josh
Walter, please, don't take it personally and no need for apologies.

Let me explain something, not just for you, but for anyone else wondering why I sometimes come down on, 'what appears to be hard on some posters.'
We are the only true Conservative forum that holds to higher standards, so when someone makes a post not keeping with the theme of Conservative principles, it behooves us to challenge it, whether it be for clarification or downright rejection of said post.

In this case, it had to do with our Founding principles "Declaration of Independence" "All Men Are Created Equal" Jefferson qualified it, which is why I tossed you a wink, a signal pointing for your clarification.
You see, many people come here to read and learn, and when a poster makes a statement that appears to be, off, wrong or misleading, and left unchallenged, to some readers it might be taken as fact because they know as followers, we never let posts go unchallenged.
In other words, we may have inadvertently misled our readers.

My apologies, I should have explained all of this in a PM, but it actually worked out for the best, because now everyone understands this unspoken policy.
But never take it personally if someone challenges your perspective on a given subject, it may be that they're simply helping clarify an issue, or holding one to Conservative Principles.

Hell, sometimes I screw up because I'm dyslexic and completely invert what I was trying to say and I hope people will point it out to me.
Oh yeah, we even have a couple of grammar NAZI, and to them? Just tell them to F' Off, we're not perfect. :laugh:

Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:21:44 PM
Been there and done that.

Shove your threat where it belongs.

Regards
DL
So you start a thread, claim to be an American via injecting, "us" when it comes to this country, then claim "The U. S. needs a third party", then get challenged with facts proving how ludicrous an idea it is, then ignore it and move on to a new screed.
You see, this is a debate forum, not a place for leftist Canucks to troll unchallenged. I gave you 3 chances to respond, instead, you insult your host in his own home.
Now, what would you do if I did something similar to you? No, we don't use physical violence. In this case, you get a timeout just like any petulant child would receive.
So take a nap and when you're adult enough to actually debate issues, you can come back, say, a couple of days should be enough time for this to sink in.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: walkstall on September 06, 2017, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
So you start a thread, claim to be an American via injecting, "us" when it comes to this country, then claim "The U. S. needs a third party", then get challenged with facts proving how ludicrous an idea it is, then ignore it and move on to a new screed.
You see, this is a debate forum, not a place for leftist Canucks to troll unchallenged. I gave you 3 chances to respond, instead, you insult your host in his own home.
Now, what would you do if I did something similar to you? No, we don't use physical violence. In this case, you get a timeout just like any petulant child would receive.
So take a nap and when you're adult enough to actually debate issues, you can come back, say, a couple of days should be enough time for this to sink in.

:lol:  See like I said your the nice one.  You know his mom is going to be pissed when he comes out of the basement.  She was so enjoy her quiet time.   :lol:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:42:58 PM
Quote from: walkstall on September 06, 2017, 06:29:47 PM
:lol:  See like I said your the nice one.  You know his mom is going to be pissed when he comes out of the basement.  She was so enjoy her quiet time.   :lol:
:biggrin:
She'll probably take him to KC, just like Cartman, and let him pig out till he passes out and sleeps for a couple of days.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 06, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
Just another troll. Ignore him.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:42:58 PM
:biggrin:
She'll probably take him to KC, just like Cartman, and let him pig out till he passes out and sleeps for a couple of days.
Crap, I meant KFC. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: walkstall on September 06, 2017, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 06, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
Just another troll. Ignore him.

Not even a good troll.  :lol:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 06, 2017, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: walkstall on September 06, 2017, 08:23:32 PM
Not even a good troll.  :lol:

The Romper Room forum is good at producing sub par trolls.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 06, 2017, 09:05:05 PM
The Romper Room forum is good at producing sub par trolls.

It's like they have a troll lab...
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 01:10:47 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2017, 11:03:44 AM
Wait until all the "refugee's" who are fleeing the USA to avoid the re-establishment of the Rule of Law by Trump begin to transform Canada into the next Sweden.

...that's if they let them in.  Apparently Trudeau is saying one thing, but their immigration laws are saying another.  Last I heard, they're building up tents on the border... just in time for that nice, mild Canadian winter.  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Michelle Rempel has been pretty strong against Trudeau's idiocy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAXDRGTc44I
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 01:17:52 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
Most Canadians loved you Yanks more before you took your massive turn to the right wing of your political spectrum.
We're a majority conservative country.  We always have been.

Quote
There is no doubt to me that the left had let the right down by going too far to the left.
They're trying to swim upstream.  They have little victories, but in the end, the people wash their Marxist crap away.

Quote
As you can see with Trump's immigration policy, your own courts will not let you go that far to the right.
We protect our borders.  Sure, we have a few Marxists trying to import the 3rd world to hurt us, but they're in the minority.

Quote
Promoting white supremacists and other such groups does not bode well either.
Nobody supports white supremacists anymore than they support AntiFa and other Marxist organizations.  The KKK has always been Democrats, NAZis are "nationalist socialists", and AntiFa is a Marxist organization.  It's fun for us Americans to watch them fight each other.  Meanwhile, normal Americans are at home raising their families and working.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 01:33:18 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:10:06 PM
That is a lot of people waiting, eh.
Yeah.  There's no way I could live in a country with a crappy system like that.  No way in hell.

Quote
But guess what, none are dying or going bankrupt.
The ones that are forced to go through you system do.  They lose limbs, and plenty die over basic problems because of your wait times, where they give up waiting.  The rest get to cross the border and get help here.  You're welcome.

Quote
Compare that to the slowly dying Americans who cannot afford medical care or go bankrupt if they happen to get ill.
It's a myth.  It's our law that we have to take people in emergencies.  Some people do die because of government interference into our medical system, but we're light years ahead of Canada.

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Americans are nearly the only major free world country that care so little about it's people that they will let illness bankrupt their citizens.
Everyone has access, with no rationing.  When you are denied coverage, you come here.

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But hey, if you like paying more than most for your health care system, go ahead. Canadians may not like to see your people go bankrupt but if you do ----
Why would I have a problem paying for my health care?  I've always paid cash for my health care and a surgery some years ago.  It's no big deal at all.  We even have doctors offices at our local drug stores like CVS:

https://cvshealth.com/about/our-offerings/cvs-minuteclinic

You can get looked at by a doctor for normal issues, get a prescription, and not even see a hospital, all under an hour -- while you do some quick shopping.

No country in the world has our system and access to health care.

Steven Crowder, who is from Canada, did a video on your crappy system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

You don't realize the extent of how us Americans watch that video and shudder in fear of being forced to live under a system like that.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
"Great news," announced Justin Trudeau, Canada's prime minister. "Bill C-16 has passed the Senate – making it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity or expression."

Do you think it good to discriminate negatively based on gender?

If not, why do you resent that we do not either?

Thinking it's good or bad has nothing to do with the freedom we (in the US) have to be assholes.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 07, 2017, 05:14:42 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
Thinking it's good or bad has nothing to do with the freedom we (in the US) have to be assholes.
Gee, nothing like a loaded question, eh? :lol:
Hey Taxed, do you still burn babies when you cook breakfast?
I found a good microwave recipe, so no more scorching.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:16:08 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2017, 05:14:42 AM
Gee, nothing like a loaded question, eh? :lol:
Hey Taxed, do you still burn babies when you cook breakfast?
I found a good microwave recipe, so no more scorching.

I told you about that???
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Ms.Independence on September 07, 2017, 05:23:07 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Liberal and conservative at the same time. Right and left wing. Way to go. :lol: :lol:

I too remember a different America and think a third party would bring back some of the old thinking. Most who write of such a time say we can never go back but the polarizing of today is not the same as the cooperation of yesteryear.

Most of the time I welcome newcomers to this forum, but you seem to have an accusatory tone to your post which is not welcome.  You certainly haven't posted in here long enough to know what we stand for, what we've been through in our individual lives and that we stand our ground.  We hold our principles and our core beliefs very dear to our hearts.  We remain steadfast in adhering to our Constitution and our patriotism for country runs deep. 

You bring up a third party ... and I have to chuckle at that one.  We have several third parties who have been unsuccessful in succeeding.  They only thing that the seem to succeed at is taking away votes from the right or the left. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for a third party candidate to even qualify to get onto the ballot in all 50 states?   

As for healthcare it is an 'issue'.  I have always paid for my healthcare through insurance premiums or otherwise.  We have a facility near me that just opened up that will see patients for a very low cost and no, insurance is not required, nor is it government run. I have close friends that were Canadian citizens and moved to the states and one primary reason was our healthcare vs. what they received in Canada.

IF you think you are going to come into this forum and chastise our beliefs with a holier than though attitude you are sadly mistaken and will quickly be shown the door.  Exit stage left!
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 07, 2017, 05:27:07 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:16:08 AM
I told you about that???
Nah, everyone recognizes that sound of popping in the pan when the flame is too high.
I heard it last month when we were on the phone, I just assumed you were going for that extra crisp/crunchy style.
I generally did one side crunchy then tossed it in a baking bag to finish it off. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2017, 05:27:07 AM
Nah, everyone recognizes that sound of popping in the pan when the flame is too high.
I heard it last month when we were on the phone, I just assumed you were going for that extra crisp/crunchy style.
I generally did one side crunchy then tossed it in a baking bag to finish it off. :biggrin:

Oh, that's where I got the recipe from....
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on September 07, 2017, 05:23:07 AM
Most of the time I welcome newcomers to this forum, but you seem to have an accusatory tone to your post which is not welcome.  You certainly haven't posted in here long enough to know what we stand for, what we've been through in our individual lives and that we stand our ground.  We hold our principles and our core beliefs very dear to our hearts.  We remain steadfast in adhering to our Constitution and our patriotism for country runs deep. 

You bring up a third party ... and I have to chuckle at that one.  We have several third parties who have been unsuccessful in succeeding.  They only thing that the seem to succeed at is taking away votes from the right or the left. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for a third party candidate to even qualify to get onto the ballot in all 50 states?   

As for healthcare it is an 'issue'.  I have always paid for my healthcare through insurance premiums or otherwise.  We have a facility near me that just opened up that will see patients for a very low cost and no, insurance is not required, nor is it government run. I have close friends that were Canadian citizens and moved to the states and one primary reason was our healthcare vs. what they received in Canada.

One of my roommates from years ago was from Canada and I heard all the horror stories from that place.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 07, 2017, 05:35:09 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
Oh, that's where I got the recipe from....
Yeah, I got it from an old Canadian racist, she said it was an old family recipe, been in the family for centuries, said it's been a tradition since the slaughter of the indigenous peoples back in the 16th century.
Yeah, you never hear much about Canadian slavery, probably cause few were left to pass on the true stories. :laugh:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 07, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
One of my roommates from years ago was from Canada and I heard all the horror stories from that place.

This thread, initiated by a self named Marxist, recalls that old bogeyman; Socialism.
Our French ancestors from the Enlightenment, predictably deceitful and dishonorable, defined their system
narrowly; as an economic concept advancing control of the factors of production, distribution and exchange.
Yet it was far more destructive than that.
At its core, Socialism is a system organizing culture/society and the mortal enemy of individualism and personal responsibility.
As such, since Marx, it has always been the political choice of those w/a deep seated sense of personal inferiority who choose sameness over innovation, mediocrity over achievement and the group over the individual.
The West in general, and we in particular, are, in my judgement at a significant turn in history, neither realizing nor understanding it and this world-wide advance of reckless immigration has set the stage.
Predictibly, the Left will respond w/their sancimonious and brain-dead humanitarianism while the Right
will point to statutory law. Yet will the latter argument be sufficient given the bias of the media? I doubt it.
The underpinning of Immigration has always been economic, as Adam Smith knew, be it the Italian Stone Masons who built the great Cathedrals of Paris in the late Middle Ages, the Polish farm labourers who gathered the barley and wheat crops of the Ukraine or the Turks who help rebuild East German infrastructure after the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
So who will explain this? Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan??? Perhaps....... Howdy Doody???
Immigrants are exiting nations which have obviously failed as a direct consequence of Socialism.
So the assholery mentioned above is calling attention to this fact, right???
Both the presence and the absence of dynamic leadership will usher in transformational change, for better or for worse. Which shall it be for us??? 




Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 07, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 07, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
This thread, initiated by a self named Marxist, recalls that old bogeyman; Socialism.
Our French ancestors from the Enlightenment, predictably deceitful and dishonorable, defined their system
narrowly; as an economic concept advancing control of the factors of production, distribution and exchange.
Yet it was far more destructive than that.
At its core, Socialism is a system organizing culture/society and the mortal enemy of individualism and personal responsibility.
As such, since Marx, it has always been the political choice of those w/a deep seated sense of personal inferiority who choose sameness over innovation, mediocrity over achievement and the group over the individual.
The West in general, and we in particular, are, in my judgement at a significant turn in history, neither realizing nor understanding it and this world-wide advance of reckless immigration has set the stage.
Predictibly, the Left will respond w/their sancimonious and brain-dead humanitarianism while the Right
will point to statutory law. Yet will the latter argument be sufficient given the bias of the media? I doubt it.
The underpinning of Immigration has always been economic, as Adam Smith knew, be it the Italian Stone Masons who built the great Cathedrals of Paris in the late Middle Ages, the Polish farm labourers who gathered the barley and wheat crops of the Ukraine or the Turks who help rebuild East German infrastructure after the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
So who will explain this? Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan??? Perhaps....... Howdy Doody???
Immigrants are exiting nations which have obviously failed as a direct consequence of Socialism.
So the assholery mentioned above is calling attention to this fact, right???
Both the presence and the absence of dynamic leadership will usher in transformational change, for better or for worse. Which shall it be for us???
Agree, and sadly, every new leftist program, be it Social Security or Medicare for all, it becomes a place holder for yet even more destructive, expanded Marxist policy.
Unfortunately, Marxists invaded the gop'E decades back and the party has feigned obstruction to the left as it not only helps pass and later, funds said programs.
Yes, we've been at a turning point for some time now, which is why the majority of the country is fighting back against the Marxist push from both sides of the aisle.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 07, 2017, 10:44:56 PM
Let's recap!

The middle class is revolting because the rich are going to launch nuclear weapons at each other. And, to avoid this we need a third party to talk about the rich firing nuclear weapons at each other.

Have I got this right?
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: taxed on September 08, 2017, 03:45:22 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 07, 2017, 10:44:56 PM
Let's recap!

The middle class is revolting because the rich are going to launch nuclear weapons at each other. And, to avoid this we need a third party to talk about the rich firing nuclear weapons at each other.

Have I got this right?

That's what I gathered.  Also, I think when the poor are hit with the fallout, they will go broke because health care is too expensive.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Solar on September 08, 2017, 05:05:22 AM
Quote from: taxed on September 08, 2017, 03:45:22 AM
That's what I gathered.  Also, I think when the poor are hit with the fallout, they will go broke because health care is too expensive.
Silly boy, with the rich dead from their nuclear war, the poor will start businesses and hire other poor to run them, since according to him, the middle class will be off fighting for the rich.
You know, that whole "The meek shall inherit the earth, " kind of thing? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 08, 2017, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 07, 2017, 10:44:56 PM
Let's recap!

The middle class is revolting because the rich are going to launch nuclear weapons at each other. And, to avoid this we need a third party to talk about the rich firing nuclear weapons at each other.

Have I got this right?

Essentially correct Boo, w/one caveat as we may need at least 30 more parties rather than 3;
sorta like the Italian (or is it the Nigerian?) Parliament.
The idea is that more parties, means more speechifying which means more inaction.
After all you can't be hurling a nuke while in mid-sentence (or can you?). Hmm...........
Anyway you get the idea.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 08, 2017, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 08, 2017, 10:08:47 AM
Essentially correct Boo, w/one caveat as we may need at least 30 more parties rather than 3;
sorta like the Italian (or is it the Nigerian?) Parliament.
The idea is that more parties, means more speechifying which means more inaction.
After all you can't be hurling a nuke while in mid-sentence (or can you?). Hmm...........
Anyway you get the idea.

4000 people in a big room shouting at each other.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 11, 2017, 06:20:37 AM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
Most Canadians loved you Yanks more before you took your massive turn to the right wing of your political spectrum.

There is no doubt to me that the left had let the right down by going too far to the left.

As you can see with Trump's immigration policy, your own courts will not let you go that far to the right.

Promoting white supremacists and other such groups does not bode well either.

Regards
DL

Just wait until the hordes of illegals fleeing the USA for Canada and the muslim "rape-ugees" begin to interact with Canadian society, behaving like they do in the US.  We have a saying in our country:

"A Conservative is a Liberal who got mugged"....you are about to get mugged.
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: Walter Josh on September 12, 2017, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
Most Canadians loved you Yanks more before you took your massive turn to the right wing of your political spectrum.

There is no doubt to me that the left had let the right down by going too far to the left.

As you can see with Trump's immigration policy, your own courts will not let you go that far to the right.

Promoting white supremacists and other such groups does not bode well either.

Regards
DL

Yo Gnostic, I'm confused.
As best I can recall, a decade after our War for Independence,
most Canadians (excluding the French) were Americans who
left the Colonies because they opposed the War; since it was
economically disadvantageous to them.
Which Canadians are you talking about???
Title: Re: Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower
Post by: supsalemgr on September 13, 2017, 04:25:54 AM
Quote from: Walter Josh on September 12, 2017, 12:47:39 PM
Yo Gnostic, I'm confused.
As best I can recall, a decade after our War for Independence,
most Canadians (excluding the French) were Americans who
left the Colonies because they opposed the War; since it was
economically disadvantageous to them.
Which Canadians are you talking about???

Gnostic is the confused one. He is the typical lib who takes a headline and immediately jumps on board. If he had done a little research he would have found the court rulings against Trump and immigration are bogus by leftists judges. All legal scholars, even liberal ones, say Trump had the authority to do what he did under the Constitution.