Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
Most Canadians loved you Yanks more before you took your massive turn to the right wing of your political spectrum.

We're a majority conservative country.  We always have been.

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There is no doubt to me that the left had let the right down by going too far to the left.

They're trying to swim upstream.  They have little victories, but in the end, the people wash their Marxist crap away.

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As you can see with Trump's immigration policy, your own courts will not let you go that far to the right.

We protect our borders.  Sure, we have a few Marxists trying to import the 3rd world to hurt us, but they're in the minority.

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Promoting white supremacists and other such groups does not bode well either.

Nobody supports white supremacists anymore than they support AntiFa and other Marxist organizations.  The KKK has always been Democrats, NAZis are "nationalist socialists", and AntiFa is a Marxist organization.  It's fun for us Americans to watch them fight each other.  Meanwhile, normal Americans are at home raising their families and working.

Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:10:06 PM
That is a lot of people waiting, eh.

Yeah.  There's no way I could live in a country with a crappy system like that.  No way in hell.

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But guess what, none are dying or going bankrupt.

The ones that are forced to go through you system do.  They lose limbs, and plenty die over basic problems because of your wait times, where they give up waiting.  The rest get to cross the border and get help here.  You're welcome.

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Compare that to the slowly dying Americans who cannot afford medical care or go bankrupt if they happen to get ill.

It's a myth.  It's our law that we have to take people in emergencies.  Some people do die because of government interference into our medical system, but we're light years ahead of Canada.

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Americans are nearly the only major free world country that care so little about it's people that they will let illness bankrupt their citizens.

Everyone has access, with no rationing.  When you are denied coverage, you come here.

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But hey, if you like paying more than most for your health care system, go ahead. Canadians may not like to see your people go bankrupt but if you do ----

Why would I have a problem paying for my health care?  I've always paid cash for my health care and a surgery some years ago.  It's no big deal at all.  We even have doctors offices at our local drug stores like CVS:

https://cvshealth.com/about/our-offerings/cvs-minuteclinic

You can get looked at by a doctor for normal issues, get a prescription, and not even see a hospital, all under an hour -- while you do some quick shopping.

No country in the world has our system and access to health care.

Steven Crowder, who is from Canada, did a video on your crappy system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

You don't realize the extent of how us Americans watch that video and shudder in fear of being forced to live under a system like that.

Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
"Great news," announced Justin Trudeau, Canada's prime minister. "Bill C-16 has passed the Senate – making it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity or expression."

Do you think it good to discriminate negatively based on gender?

If not, why do you resent that we do not either?

Thinking it's good or bad has nothing to do with the freedom we (in the US) have to be assholes.

Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
Thinking it's good or bad has nothing to do with the freedom we (in the US) have to be assholes.

Gee, nothing like a loaded question, eh?
Hey Taxed, do you still burn babies when you cook breakfast?
I found a good microwave recipe, so no more scorching.

Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2017, 05:14:42 AM
Gee, nothing like a loaded question, eh?
Hey Taxed, do you still burn babies when you cook breakfast?
I found a good microwave recipe, so no more scorching.

I told you about that???

Quote from: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Liberal and conservative at the same time. Right and left wing. Way to go.

I too remember a different America and think a third party would bring back some of the old thinking. Most who write of such a time say we can never go back but the polarizing of today is not the same as the cooperation of yesteryear.

Most of the time I welcome newcomers to this forum, but you seem to have an accusatory tone to your post which is not welcome.  You certainly haven't posted in here long enough to know what we stand for, what we've been through in our individual lives and that we stand our ground.  We hold our principles and our core beliefs very dear to our hearts.  We remain steadfast in adhering to our Constitution and our patriotism for country runs deep. 

You bring up a third party ... and I have to chuckle at that one.  We have several third parties who have been unsuccessful in succeeding.  They only thing that the seem to succeed at is taking away votes from the right or the left. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for a third party candidate to even qualify to get onto the ballot in all 50 states?   

As for healthcare it is an 'issue'.  I have always paid for my healthcare through insurance premiums or otherwise.  We have a facility near me that just opened up that will see patients for a very low cost and no, insurance is not required, nor is it government run. I have close friends that were Canadian citizens and moved to the states and one primary reason was our healthcare vs. what they received in Canada.

IF you think you are going to come into this forum and chastise our beliefs with a holier than though attitude you are sadly mistaken and will quickly be shown the door.  Exit stage left!

Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:16:08 AM
I told you about that???

Nah, everyone recognizes that sound of popping in the pan when the flame is too high.
I heard it last month when we were on the phone, I just assumed you were going for that extra crisp/crunchy style.
I generally did one side crunchy then tossed it in a baking bag to finish it off.

Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2017, 05:27:07 AM
Nah, everyone recognizes that sound of popping in the pan when the flame is too high.
I heard it last month when we were on the phone, I just assumed you were going for that extra crisp/crunchy style.
I generally did one side crunchy then tossed it in a baking bag to finish it off.

Oh, that's where I got the recipe from....

Quote from: Ms.Independence on September 07, 2017, 05:23:07 AM
Most of the time I welcome newcomers to this forum, but you seem to have an accusatory tone to your post which is not welcome.  You certainly haven't posted in here long enough to know what we stand for, what we've been through in our individual lives and that we stand our ground.  We hold our principles and our core beliefs very dear to our hearts.  We remain steadfast in adhering to our Constitution and our patriotism for country runs deep. 

You bring up a third party ... and I have to chuckle at that one.  We have several third parties who have been unsuccessful in succeeding.  They only thing that the seem to succeed at is taking away votes from the right or the left. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for a third party candidate to even qualify to get onto the ballot in all 50 states?   

As for healthcare it is an 'issue'.  I have always paid for my healthcare through insurance premiums or otherwise.  We have a facility near me that just opened up that will see patients for a very low cost and no, insurance is not required, nor is it government run. I have close friends that were Canadian citizens and moved to the states and one primary reason was our healthcare vs. what they received in Canada.

One of my roommates from years ago was from Canada and I heard all the horror stories from that place.

Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
Oh, that's where I got the recipe from....

Yeah, I got it from an old Canadian racist, she said it was an old family recipe, been in the family for centuries, said it's been a tradition since the slaughter of the indigenous peoples back in the 16th century.
Yeah, you never hear much about Canadian slavery, probably cause few were left to pass on the true stories.

Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
One of my roommates from years ago was from Canada and I heard all the horror stories from that place.

This thread, initiated by a self named Marxist, recalls that old bogeyman; Socialism.
Our French ancestors from the Enlightenment, predictably deceitful and dishonorable, defined their system
narrowly; as an economic concept advancing control of the factors of production, distribution and exchange.
Yet it was far more destructive than that.
At its core, Socialism is a system organizing culture/society and the mortal enemy of individualism and personal responsibility.
As such, since Marx, it has always been the political choice of those w/a deep seated sense of personal inferiority who choose sameness over innovation, mediocrity over achievement and the group over the individual.
The West in general, and we in particular, are, in my judgement at a significant turn in history, neither realizing nor understanding it and this world-wide advance of reckless immigration has set the stage.
Predictibly, the Left will respond w/their sancimonious and brain-dead humanitarianism while the Right
will point to statutory law. Yet will the latter argument be sufficient given the bias of the media? I doubt it.
The underpinning of Immigration has always been economic, as Adam Smith knew, be it the Italian Stone Masons who built the great Cathedrals of Paris in the late Middle Ages, the Polish farm labourers who gathered the barley and wheat crops of the Ukraine or the Turks who help rebuild East German infrastructure after the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
So who will explain this? Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan??? Perhaps....... Howdy Doody???
Immigrants are exiting nations which have obviously failed as a direct consequence of Socialism.
So the assholery mentioned above is calling attention to this fact, right???
Both the presence and the absence of dynamic leadership will usher in transformational change, for better or for worse. Which shall it be for us??? 

Quote from: Walter Josh on September 07, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
This thread, initiated by a self named Marxist, recalls that old bogeyman; Socialism.
Our French ancestors from the Enlightenment, predictably deceitful and dishonorable, defined their system
narrowly; as an economic concept advancing control of the factors of production, distribution and exchange.
Yet it was far more destructive than that.
At its core, Socialism is a system organizing culture/society and the mortal enemy of individualism and personal responsibility.
As such, since Marx, it has always been the political choice of those w/a deep seated sense of personal inferiority who choose sameness over innovation, mediocrity over achievement and the group over the individual.
The West in general, and we in particular, are, in my judgement at a significant turn in history, neither realizing nor understanding it and this world-wide advance of reckless immigration has set the stage.
Predictibly, the Left will respond w/their sancimonious and brain-dead humanitarianism while the Right
will point to statutory law. Yet will the latter argument be sufficient given the bias of the media? I doubt it.
The underpinning of Immigration has always been economic, as Adam Smith knew, be it the Italian Stone Masons who built the great Cathedrals of Paris in the late Middle Ages, the Polish farm labourers who gathered the barley and wheat crops of the Ukraine or the Turks who help rebuild East German infrastructure after the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
So who will explain this? Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan??? Perhaps....... Howdy Doody???
Immigrants are exiting nations which have obviously failed as a direct consequence of Socialism.
So the assholery mentioned above is calling attention to this fact, right???
Both the presence and the absence of dynamic leadership will usher in transformational change, for better or for worse. Which shall it be for us???

Agree, and sadly, every new leftist program, be it Social Security or Medicare for all, it becomes a place holder for yet even more destructive, expanded Marxist policy.
Unfortunately, Marxists invaded the gop'E decades back and the party has feigned obstruction to the left as it not only helps pass and later, funds said programs.
Yes, we've been at a turning point for some time now, which is why the majority of the country is fighting back against the Marxist push from both sides of the aisle.

Let's recap!

The middle class is revolting because the rich are going to launch nuclear weapons at each other. And, to avoid this we need a third party to talk about the rich firing nuclear weapons at each other.

Have I got this right?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 07, 2017, 10:44:56 PM
Let's recap!

The middle class is revolting because the rich are going to launch nuclear weapons at each other. And, to avoid this we need a third party to talk about the rich firing nuclear weapons at each other.

Have I got this right?

That's what I gathered.  Also, I think when the poor are hit with the fallout, they will go broke because health care is too expensive.

Quote from: taxed on September 08, 2017, 03:45:22 AM
That's what I gathered.  Also, I think when the poor are hit with the fallout, they will go broke because health care is too expensive.

Silly boy, with the rich dead from their nuclear war, the poor will start businesses and hire other poor to run them, since according to him, the middle class will be off fighting for the rich.
You know, that whole "The meek shall inherit the earth, " kind of thing?