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Title: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 02, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Jeff Sessions recluses himself from any campaign investigation - after Lindsay Graham and several other weak-kneed RINOs parrot the Democratic talking-points, that there *may* be underwear in his sock drawer.  (one excuse is as good as another, when you're not squarely on the side of your Party, right Lindsay?).

Mike Flynn resigns in humiliation, after allegedly contacting his barber, in a secretive phone call, before facing the media... apparently to cover up a migrating part on his hair line... that would easily sink any Republican candidate.  (hey, your hair & public image must be above reproach, right VP Pence?)

I predict Neal Gorsuch will not pass the Senate... he is NOT a replacement of Justice Anthony Scalia - it is reported he is at least 6" taller.... a terrible micro-aggression - "Height Privileged", clearly indicating he would *not* be impartial to short people.  (the Dems are just getting started with Sessions & Flynn - does anyone HONESTLY believe Gorsuch can muster 50 votes???)

Obama Care will be folded into Medicare or some renamed single-payer, government program, and our healthcare will permanently be managed by bureaucrats, unelected & unaccountable Socialist-leaning, big government types.  Forget about health insurance, this is just another TAX to fund political programs, your health is secondary.  Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan already have their health care covered - until they feel the same pain we do - they will do nothing of substance.

Trump is just 'going it alone' with whatever the hell his agenda is suppose to be.   Defense to Democrats.   I can't say "WE" in the context of "Republicans and ME" anymore - they're gutless cowards, disorganized, rudderless, babbling fools - a complete embarrassment.   
Obviously, the Republican Party has adopted a purely defensive position, incapable of formulating anything like Newt Gingrich of 1994.

The TEA movement is over-due for political action.   The Republican Party is folding up the Tent.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Ms.Independence on March 02, 2017, 05:55:48 PM
The reality is; we have the same leadership in the Senate and the same leadership that we had in the House; nothing in Congress has changed.  IF Congress doesn't get behind this President in an attempt to unite the party and this country we are done; in essence they will have given their majority (as they have in the past) and all the power that goes along with it to the DEMS.

Trump is trying to go it alone by appointing a strong cabinet; however, because the Senate must approve his appointments, its beginning to look like anything he does is futile. 

If you recall there were rumors that those in Congress (Republicans as well as Democrats) would destroy Trump within his first year of his Presidency...which of course would leave us Pence.  I know very little about Pence but he sure doesn't seem to have the backbone of Trump. 
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 02, 2017, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 02, 2017, 05:55:48 PM
The reality is; we have the same leadership in the Senate and the same leadership that we had in the House; nothing in Congress has changed.  IF Congress doesn't get behind this President in an attempt to unite the party and this country we are done; in essence they will have given their majority (as they have in the past) and all the power that goes along with it to the DEMS.

Trump is trying to go it alone by appointing a strong cabinet; however, because the Senate must approve his appointments, its beginning to look like anything he does is futile. 

If you recall there were rumors that those in Congress (Republicans as well as Democrats) would destroy Trump within his first year of his Presidency...which of course would leave us Pence.  I know very little about Pence but he sure doesn't seem to have the backbone of Trump.
I see the opposite, I see the GOP scared to death Trump will start singling them out for the cutting block come midterm.
Right now Trump's approval is near 60% higher than Congress, so they need him one Hell of a lot more than he needs them, he can use the pulpit to point out their obstructionist ways and how they try and work against his agenda, an agenda Americans overwhelmingly approved.

No, the GOP is not in any position to do anything but back his every move. After all, he isn't Cruz, he isn't threatening to close the IRS, or cut ethanol subsidies, so he has wiggle room to make them squirm.
I may not trust Trump, but I have absolutely zero trust in the GOP.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: walkstall on March 02, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 02, 2017, 06:17:38 PM
I see the opposite, I see the GOP scared to death Trump will start singling them out for the cutting block come midterm.
Right now Trump's approval is near 60% higher than Congress, so they need him one Hell of a lot more than he needs them, he can use the pulpit to point out their obstructionist ways and how they try and work against his agenda, an agenda Americans overwhelmingly approved.

No, the GOP is not in any position to do anything but back his every move. After all, he isn't Cruz, he isn't threatening to close the IRS, or cut ethanol subsidies, so he has wiggle room to make them squirm.
I may not trust Trump, but I have absolutely zero trust in the GOP.

True but Trump is doing thing Hillary would not do.  Trump will have a up hill battle for the next 4 years.  There a lot that wrong. 
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 02, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Quote from: walkstall on March 02, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
True but Trump is doing thing Hillary would not do.  Trump will have a up hill battle for the next 4 years.  There a lot that wrong.
Huh?
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: walkstall on March 02, 2017, 07:09:41 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 02, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Huh?

QuoteI may not trust Trump

Just saying that Trump is doing what Hillary would not do if she was CIC. 
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 02, 2017, 07:26:42 PM
Sessions did the right thing. It stops the democrats in their tracks. He did nothing wrong, he didn't lie and recusing himself simply shows good ethics.

Flynn f**ked up and Gorsuch will be confirmed.

The world has not come to an end.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: supsalemgr on March 03, 2017, 04:43:17 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 02, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Jeff Sessions recluses himself from any campaign investigation - after Lindsay Graham and several other weak-kneed RINOs parrot the Democratic talking-points, that there *may* be underwear in his sock drawer.  (one excuse is as good as another, when you're not squarely on the side of your Party, right Lindsay?).

Mike Flynn resigns in humiliation, after allegedly contacting his barber, in a secretive phone call, before facing the media... apparently to cover up a migrating part on his hair line... that would easily sink any Republican candidate.  (hey, your hair & public image must be above reproach, right VP Pence?)

I predict Neal Gorsuch will not pass the Senate... he is NOT a replacement of Justice Anthony Scalia - it is reported he is at least 6" taller.... a terrible micro-aggression - "Height Privileged", clearly indicating he would *not* be impartial to short people.  (the Dems are just getting started with Sessions & Flynn - does anyone HONESTLY believe Gorsuch can muster 50 votes???)

Obama Care will be folded into Medicare or some renamed single-payer, government program, and our healthcare will permanently be managed by bureaucrats, unelected & unaccountable Socialist-leaning, big government types.  Forget about health insurance, this is just another TAX to fund political programs, your health is secondary.  Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan already have their health care covered - until they feel the same pain we do - they will do nothing of substance.

Trump is just 'going it alone' with whatever the hell his agenda is suppose to be.   Defense to Democrats.   I can't say "WE" in the context of "Republicans and ME" anymore - they're gutless cowards, disorganized, rudderless, babbling fools - a complete embarrassment.   
Obviously, the Republican Party has adopted a purely defensive position, incapable of formulating anything like Newt Gingrich of 1994.

The TEA movement is over-due for political action.   The Republican Party is folding up the Tent.

Is anybody surprised? Trump will have to go on his own.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 03, 2017, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 03, 2017, 04:43:17 AM
Is anybody surprised? Trump will have to go on his own.

Exactly as I see it, we should not count on the House or Senate to do anything of a Conservative nature - that would be against their 'nature'!

Expect them to DEFEND a good Conservative cabinet appointee, not a chance!

We already know Trump is not going to be a strong Constitutional Conservative- but Trump might be all we got....?   Pretty scary!
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: walkstall on March 03, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 03, 2017, 08:50:16 AM
Exactly as I see it, we should not count on the House or Senate to do anything of a Conservative nature - that would be against their 'nature'!

Expect them to DEFEND a good Conservative cabinet appointee, not a chance!

We already know Trump is not going to be a strong Constitutional Conservative- but Trump might be all we got....?   Pretty scary!


The media and RINO's spent a year build up and creating Trump.  Now MSM and RINO's will spend 4 to 8 years tearing Trump down.

We have leaned one thing over the last two years.  Trump knows how to play the press.  Now he need to use that on the RINO's also. 
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 03, 2017, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 02, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Jeff Sessions recluses himself from any campaign investigation - after Lindsay Graham and several other weak-kneed RINOs parrot the Democratic talking-points, that there *may* be underwear in his sock drawer.  (one excuse is as good as another, when you're not squarely on the side of your Party, right Lindsay?).

Mike Flynn resigns in humiliation, after allegedly contacting his barber, in a secretive phone call, before facing the media... apparently to cover up a migrating part on his hair line... that would easily sink any Republican candidate.  (hey, your hair & public image must be above reproach, right VP Pence?)

I predict Neal Gorsuch will not pass the Senate... he is NOT a replacement of Justice Anthony Scalia - it is reported he is at least 6" taller.... a terrible micro-aggression - "Height Privileged", clearly indicating he would *not* be impartial to short people.  (the Dems are just getting started with Sessions & Flynn - does anyone HONESTLY believe Gorsuch can muster 50 votes???)

Obama Care will be folded into Medicare or some renamed single-payer, government program, and our healthcare will permanently be managed by bureaucrats, unelected & unaccountable Socialist-leaning, big government types.  Forget about health insurance, this is just another TAX to fund political programs, your health is secondary.  Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan already have their health care covered - until they feel the same pain we do - they will do nothing of substance.

Trump is just 'going it alone' with whatever the hell his agenda is suppose to be.   Defense to Democrats.   I can't say "WE" in the context of "Republicans and ME" anymore - they're gutless cowards, disorganized, rudderless, babbling fools - a complete embarrassment.   
Obviously, the Republican Party has adopted a purely defensive position, incapable of formulating anything like Newt Gingrich of 1994.


The TEA movement is over-due for political action.   The Republican Party is folding up the Tent.
That would be giving them credit for the charade they've pulled off. I see it for what it is, harmony with the Marxist agenda, disguised as incompetence.
No, I think the Marxists within the GOP have accomplished exactly what they wanted. They convinced the electorate they were too weak to accomplish anything unless we gave them the Senate, remember that call to arms? "Give us the Senate and we'll stop Commiecare".

So we did, we gave them the senate and they did nothing. So they claimed we need the House to stop Obozo, so we gave them both houses, and still nothing, in fact, they gave the Marxists everything he asked for and more, yes, they fed the pig all he could swallow, even Pelosi commented, "We didn't ask for all that"?

No, this is not a rudderless, babbling fools, a spineless bunch of cowards, they are as bad, if not worse than the Dim party, at least with the Dim party we know their agenda as communists, but when your own party claims one thing, then does the complete opposite with a shit eating grin, you know the enemy is within.

Fact is, Marxists have both party's. They've seized the leadership of the GOP, control the purse strings of the party.
Thing is, they fear Trump, they are scared to death of what he can accomplish, along with outing the enemy within. Yes, he could actually purge the party of the commie McCain's, McConnel's and Ryans and their enablers.
What better way to fulfill your agenda than to let the opposing party do it for you, while you feign incompetence?

We live in interesting times, we literally sit on the precipice of history, and it's up to us to expose the enemy for what it is and steer history to our favor.
I believe it's a good time to be living. :cool:
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: quiller on March 03, 2017, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 03, 2017, 08:50:16 AM
We already know Trump is not going to be a strong Constitutional Conservative- but Trump might be all we got....?   Pretty scary!

Are you less terrified, knowing it's not Hildabeast?

Me, I think back on some of the losers on BOTH sides over the last thirty years, and compared to them as President, the "New York City Conservative" Trump seems almost palatable. At least I don't revert to my infancy, thinking of President Hillary Clinton --- waking up screaming every two hours.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: quiller on March 03, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Quote from: walkstall on March 03, 2017, 09:43:37 AM

The media and RINO's spent a year build up and creating Trump.  Now MSM and RINO's will spend 4 to 8 years tearing Trump down.

We have leaned one thing over the last two years.  Trump knows how to play the press.  Now he need to use that on the RINO's also.

Sounds like a separate thread: which RINOS need culling first?

I vote McCain.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: supsalemgr on March 03, 2017, 11:44:18 AM
What a difference a year makes. One year ago most of us were on the Cruz train and we felt Trump was a clown and certainly not a conservative. Now, the GOP has taken over the government and Trump is in the WH. Unfortunately, what hasn't changed is GOPe in congress is still not following the desires of the folks who put them in the position of power they enjoy. Now, it appears Trump is our only hope for some conservative actions out of Washington. As I said, what a difference a year makes.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 03, 2017, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: quiller on March 03, 2017, 10:48:39 AM
Are you less terrified, knowing it's not Hildabeast?

Me, I think back on some of the losers on BOTH sides over the last thirty years, and compared to them as President, the "New York City Conservative" Trump seems almost palatable. At least I don't revert to my infancy, thinking of President Hillary Clinton --- waking up screaming every two hours.

I'll reply to both you and Solar by saying, No, it's not "terrified" but, coming to the full realization of two nagging facts.

a.  Trump is not a Constitutional Conservative, sure he's better than Hillary.
b.  The Republicans are LESS Conservative than Donald Trump (now... THAT is scary!)

Solar calls it: "I see it for what it is, harmony with the Marxist agenda, disguised as incompetence." Which looks like it's ... unfortunately, TRUE!   They've got a fresh excuse every hour for not repealing Obamacare, and none of them are nearly as creative as the Dems, "We have to Pass it.. to find out what's IN it."  (You have to think I'm rather stupid to buy that BS, but we could promise Paul Ryan a permenant House seat until 2050, and He'd happily bail out Obamacare annually, regardless!).  We interpret Republican flailing at windmills as comical, but who passed these MASSIVE Obama spending bills ... with barely a fight?

Any hope of Republicans acting like Constitutional Conservatives is fading like a Tail-light Warranty (when the car's tail-lights fade, so does your warranty).  The shocker for -me- .... you mean all we got left is Donald Trump to push a weak Conservative Agenda, 'cause the Republicans can't organize for anything???   

They've already given up Conservatism, screw the Constitution - it's always been about *power*, we should have recognized it when they said, "Give us the House, Senate, etc., so we can ..." - with no intention of relinquishing any authority back to the States.   Republicans have folded on us, and Trump is all we got left to push a watered-down Constitutional Agenda.

I for one... marvel at the depth of organization within the Democratic Party, Rush says the "Democratic bench is weak or non-existent..".  When did that slow them down?  They'll go down in flames, and their agenda rises out of the ashes like a Phoenix - like now, WHY are Republicans on DEFENSE????
With total DISGUST, the Republicans, after years and years of the majority - haven't got a plan, or can't figure out how to articulate it in the media.   Does anyone think Newt Gingrich started with a majority?  And mind you, Bill Clinton was a very popular President at the time.  What's wrong with Republicans...?!?!?

"We live in interesting times, we literally sit on the precipice of history" (Solar) - I picture, having climbed to tall peak, looking all around, seeing nothing but Democrats & suddenly realizing, it's all downhill from here.  Trump arrives with a hot-air balloon, we hop aboard, start to ascend even higher - and Janet Yellen starts shooting holes through the darn thing.  The ONLY WAY this thing is gonna stay afloat ... is when the Republicans jump aboard and add to Trump's hot-air & patch holes (close ranks).

If the Republicans don't get on-board quickly, Trump's agenda is gonna crash... and crash hard...!

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 03, 2017, 11:44:18 AM
What a difference a year makes. One year ago most of us were on the Cruz train and we felt Trump was a clown and certainly not a conservative. Now, the GOP has taken over the government and Trump is in the WH. Unfortunately, what hasn't changed is GOPe in congress is still not following the desires of the folks who put them in the position of power they enjoy. Now, it appears Trump is our only hope for some conservative actions out of Washington. As I said, what a difference a year makes.

Excellent Summary to my long winded rant.  I want to scream, "If you can't get behind Trump, at least get behind the IDEAS you agree with!!!"
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 03, 2017, 03:10:30 PM
Please keep one reply per post.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Cryptic Bert on March 03, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
Is it over again?
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 06:39:15 AM
Hers's an example of what I've been saying, and I believe Trump might be taking corrective action - "Get your a$$ on board, already!  If you're not going to fight back, I got no use for you - no matter how great you are at your job!"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-flashes-anger-sessions-recusal-russia-stories-tense/story?id=45908106
QuoteBefore heading off to his so-called "winter White House" in Palm Beach, Florida, on Friday, President Donald Trump summoned some of his senior staff to the Oval Office and went "ballistic," senior White House sources told ABC News.

The president erupted with anger over the latest slew of news reports connecting Russia with the new administration -- specifically the abrupt decision by Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign.

Sources said the president felt Sessions' recusal was unnecessary and only served to embolden Trump's political opponents. The attorney general made his announcement Thursday just as Trump returned to Washington from a trip to the U.S.S. Gerald Ford in Virginia for a speech about his agenda as president.

Hours earlier, aboard the ship, the president had told reporters that he had "total" confidence in Sessions and saw no reason why the attorney general should recuse himself.

If you've been a manager, in a competitive business situation, the "leaks" and "plants" from past management can drive you crazy... that's one thing that keeps you from success.   People on your own staff who can't get the message, you know they're really good, you'll stand behind them... but can't seem to *understand* the competitive nature of the situation.   It's a "If I lose - you lose!" - get off your hands and join the fight, we got no extra room for an audience in the board room.

Honestly - after all the dirt flying during the campaign, did anyone think Trump was a Paper Tiger?   We gloated when he 'took it to the MSM' - it's about time!   The GOP needs to get in line behind Trump and start fighting back, there is no "honor" in taking the so-called high-road, while your constitutes get SCREWED at HOME.   I don't *care* if Trump isn't Reagan, he's pledged his honor - .... oh, I get it, the GOP has no guts, no honor, and planned all along to 'go along to get along with the Democrats'.

Sessions seems like an honorable guy... who just might be well past the ability to take the fight to the enemy.
After I stuck my neck out for the guy, and he backs off with hardly a whimper - you're damn right, I'd be PISSED!
This is NOT THE TIME to try and win over Democrats - they're going after heads, while Sessions is trying to make nice!?!?!?
   

Trump needs a staff he can count on, it's gonna get rough, he knows that.  I never thought I'd say the GOP is not worth nor fit for a leader like Donald Trump.   We elected them to DO A JOB and they JOINED the Washington Club....   Folding up the Tent, and scurrying for cover because it might rain.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mike-pence-demands-ap-apologize-for-publishing-refusing-to-take-down-story-showing-his-wifes-email-address/article/2616467
QuoteVice President Mike Pence is demanding the Associated Press apologize for publishing and then refusing to take down a story with the email address of Karen Pence.

"When we requested they take it down, they refused. The @AP owes my wife an apology," Pence tweeted Saturday, along with a copy of a letter to the news outlet from Mark Paoletta, counsel to the vice president.
Question:  Does Mike Pence have it in him for a long fight?  We will see shortly - he's in their crosshairs.  That's how this is playing out, picking them off, with the help of the media, one here, one there - immobilize their agenda, freeze them.

Divide and conquer.  Here's an example of how the Democrats are PLAYING BEN SASSE for a fool..

http://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ross/2017/03/04/sasse-statement-trump-wiretap-claims/
QuoteClaims are one thing, but we need to deal in actual proof. If the president of the United State is to offer up the idea that wiretapping did occur, he should be ready with evidence to back it up. Otherwise, it looks like an attempt to distract from something else.

Politicians in D.C. should take note and model themselves after Ben Sasse.

"We are in the midst of a civilization-warping crisis of public trust, and the President's allegations today demand the thorough and dispassionate attention of serious patriots. A quest for the full truth, rather than knee-jerk partisanship, must be our guide if we are going to rebuild civic trust and health."
Wiretapping is a serious claim. If it occurred, it needs to be dealt with, regardless of political party. If not, alleging such things should result in swift rebuke.

Ben Sasse and the author of this article - who can't seem to open their eyes wide enough to understand what's going on.
"civic trust and health"...?   You've got to win something in Washington if you want my accolades, and it better be against the enemy!
Ben Sasse is a perfect example of a Democrat TOOL - too smart to realize he's been HAD and too stupid to understand the Democrats have always fought dirty.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:53:41 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 06:39:15 AM

Ben Sasse is a perfect example of a Democrat TOOL - too smart to realize he's been HAD and too stupid to understand the Democrats have always fought dirty.
Or is he? Is it possible he was asked by trump to play a part, as in making the claim, 'if it's true, show us proof?' Then miraculously Trump produces proof and Sasse then demands, "We have no other recourse, than to call for a full blown investigation".

Just tossing ideas out there, but I don't see Sasse purposely walking through shit to help Dims.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:53:41 AM
Or is he? Is it possible he was asked by trump to play a part, as in making the claim, 'if it's true, show us proof?' Then miraculously Trump produces proof and Sasse then demands, "We have no other recourse, than to call for a full blown investigation".

Just tossing ideas out there, but I don't see Sasse purposely walking through shit to help Dims.

Just the opposite, they knew how he'd respond, and asked him - he could have 'shut up' but when did a Senator ever turn away a microphone (even without any idea what was at stake?).  They wanted someone who would cast serious doubt... someone trusted by TEA and conservatives to raise questions of doubt...  "Hey Ben...  How ya doing!?"  (we just need a sound bite), "Whatta think of this wiretap thing, ya know, Trump is claiming - anything to that...?"  (come'on... sucker, give us something we can work with, spin this one for us....)

He was a useful idiot, commenting on something he knows nothing about, framing his answer perfectly for the MSM to cast doubt and further undermine Trump. 

He could have passed on it.... but no, really SMART people (who are often taken for granted), jump at every chance to prove it.
When are - or what will it take for the GOP to realize this is a full fledged frontal attack by the MSM and the Dims?

Furthermore, does ANYONE expect Ben Sasse to lead the charge for an investigation....?    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
Just the opposite, they knew how he'd respond, and asked him - he could have 'shut up' but when did a Senator ever turn away a microphone (even without any idea what was at stake?).  They wanted someone who would cast serious doubt... someone trusted by TEA and conservatives to raise questions of doubt...  "Hey Ben...  How ya doing!?"  (we just need a sound bite), "Whatta think of this wiretap thing, ya know, Trump is claiming - anything to that...?"  (come'on... sucker, give us something we can work with, spin this one for us....)

He was a useful idiot, commenting on something he knows nothing about, framing his answer perfectly for the MSM to cast doubt and further undermine Trump. 

He could have passed on it.... but no, really SMART people (who are often taken for granted), jump at every chance to prove it.
When are - or what will it take for the GOP to realize this is a full fledged frontal attack by the MSM and the Dims?

Furthermore, does ANYONE expect Ben Sasse to lead the charge for an investigation....?    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sasse is young and not prone to "lead foot poisoning" like the old timer leftists in the party. Sure, I could be wrong, but I believe Trump already had his plan of attack laid out, including someone in the GOP making the claim Sasse did See: http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/marxist-wiretap-thread/msg331409/#new

One thing about Trump, he'll tell the GOP to screw themselves and go it alone if necessary.
He's proven he's a winner so I'm expecting a very different outcome, maybe not prison time for any leftists, but as long as the statute of limitations allows, Trump will have the ultimate bargaining chip anytime he needs to play it.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 02:47:20 PM
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Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
Pssssst... Ben....   Tell us something we don't know, or were you listening to Mark Levin - and just figured it out..?


Nothing like "taking the high-road", and really sticking your neck out, imply the leader of YOUR PARTY is making stuff up.

thanks for posting the full Sasse statement, Solar, if he was sitting across the table from me, and said that - I would have replied, "Who's side are you on, Ben?   Sometimes it's better to either go along with leadership or just shut up!"

Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 01:44:26 PM
Sasse is young and not prone to "lead foot poisoning" like the old timer leftists in the party. Sure, I could be wrong, but I believe Trump already had his plan of attack laid out, including someone in the GOP making the claim Sasse did See: http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/marxist-wiretap-thread/msg331409/#new

One thing about Trump, he'll tell the GOP to screw themselves and go it alone if necessary.
He's proven he's a winner so I'm expecting a very different outcome, maybe not prison time for any leftists, but as long as the statute of limitations allows, Trump will have the ultimate bargaining chip anytime he needs to play it.

I completely agree, Trump will go it alone if necessary - AND - he probably has the goods on the Dems.  Trump knows how to play the media as good as the media can play a sucker like Sasse.   This isn't the business for "nice guys" - and it's disgusting to see year after year go by, Democrats with scandals of every sort... ready to fall like Dominos......  and Republicans still playing DEFENSE....?

Trump is playing "hard ball" with the MSM and the Democrats - we don't have to agree with him 100% of the time, but when the guy is hammering the Dims, why wait?   Get in there and hit 'em!   Chuck Shumer is tripling down on Sessions, Trump and trying to bring in everyone else he can - where is the GOP!?

...still busy, folding up the GOP tent.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 05, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
Pssssst... Ben....   Tell us something we don't know, or were you listening to Mark Levin - and just figured it out..?


Nothing like "taking the high-road", and really sticking your neck out, imply the leader of YOUR PARTY is making stuff up.

thanks for posting the full Sasse statement, Solar, if he was sitting across the table from me, and said that - I would have replied, "Who's side are you on, Ben?   Sometimes it's better to either go along with leadership or just shut up!"
That's why I questioned the Red State piece, it ran with a lot of opinion, and of course I. like you, would say "What the fuck are you saying"?
Which is why it made me wonder if he wasn't baiting the dims early on because he knew ,ore than he was divulging?
Or as you said, being an ignorant fool and stepped out alone? Which just seems weird, why piss off the POTUS of your own party?

QuoteI completely agree, Trump will go it alone if necessary - AND - he probably has the goods on the Dems.  Trump knows how to play the media as good as the media can play a sucker like Sasse.   This isn't the business for "nice guys" - and it's disgusting to see year after year go by, Democrats with scandals of every sort... ready to fall like Dominos......  and Republicans still playing DEFENSE....?

Trump is playing "hard ball" with the MSM and the Democrats - we don't have to agree with him 100% of the time, but when the guy is hammering the Dims, why wait?   Get in there and hit 'em!   Chuck Shumer is tripling down on Sessions, Trump and trying to bring in everyone else he can - where is the GOP!?

...still busy, folding up the GOP tent.
Uggggghhh... the (GOP) gay battalion never got the orders to pull out and join the battle, because we don't want their traitorous kind of help.
For once, I say leave them, let the losers rot, and come midterm, point out how they left Trump to fight on his own.
The constituency won't be happy that once again, they evaded another fight with the Marxists.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: walkstall on March 05, 2017, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
That's why I questioned the Red State piece, it ran with a lot of opinion, and of course I. like you, would say "What the fuck are you saying"?
Which is why it made me wonder if he wasn't baiting the dims early on because he knew ,ore than he was divulging?
Or as you said, being an ignorant fool and stepped out alone? Which just seems weird, why piss off the POTUS of your own party?
Uggggghhh... the (GOP) gay battalion never got the orders to pull out and join the battle, because we don't want their traitorous kind of help.
For once, I say leave them, let the losers rot, and come midterm, point out how they left Trump to fight on his own.
The constituency won't be happy that once again, they evaded another fight with the Marxists.

New people must remember states go by the Popular votes not the    Electoral votes for midterm voting.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: zewazir on March 05, 2017, 07:22:44 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
snip...
For once, I say leave them, let the losers rot, and come midterm, point out how they left Trump to fight on his own.
The constituency won't be happy that once again, they evaded another fight with the Marxists.
Midterm primaries start in less than a year.  TEA associations need to get busy in those states where the GOPe incumbents may be vulnerable.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2017, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: zewazir on March 05, 2017, 07:22:44 PM
Midterm primaries start in less than a year.  TEA associations need to get busy in those states where the GOPe incumbents may be vulnerable.
If you're up for a bit of research and don't mind tackling a few states, I'll sticky a thread for '2018 TEA candidates' for vetting.
Maybe we can head off another McCain style win, where the GOP funded a loser that passed themselves off as TEA, when in fact, they were just another lib plant by the GOP.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 08:00:26 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 05, 2017, 08:23:14 PM
If you're up for a bit of research and don't mind tackling a few states, I'll sticky a thread for '2018 TEA candidates' for vetting.
Maybe we can head off another McCain style win, where the GOP funded a loser that passed themselves off as TEA, when in fact, they were just another lib plant by the GOP.
I can try throwing together a general table with names and general conservative ratings, which would give us an idea where we need to target first and/or the most. I figure Senate be our primary focus, and House as time permits?

Which source that rates politicians' conservative record would you recommend we use so we stay consistent?
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 08:06:50 AM
Quote from: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 08:00:26 AM
I can try throwing together a general table with names and general conservative ratings, which would give us an idea where we need to target first and/or the most. I figure Senate be our primary focus, and House as time permits?

Which source that rates politicians' conservative record would you recommend we use so we stay consistent?
That would be excellent! Unfortunately, TEA candidates more than likely won't have any record beyond opinion pieces to their names, maybe an arrest record for getting high as a young adult, but if you can get the names, we can do the research. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 08:06:50 AM
That would be excellent! Unfortunately, TEA candidates more than likely won't have any record beyond opinion pieces to their names, maybe an arrest record for getting high as a young adult, but if you can get the names, we can do the research. :thumbup:
Yeah, that information may be a bit sketchy this early on. Could be pulling air just finding names who have expressed interest in a U.S. Congressional run this early in the game.

This is why I strongly believe that TEA, as a movement, needs to get a bit more organized with communication between associations. You can bet the establishment is ready, not only with their names to start pushing as soon as the time comes to start focusing on the primaries, but with their mud slings primed and ready to fire at any probable names they may need to target.

We have two avenues to regard with respect to each house of CONgress. First is finding acceptable conservatives to run against incumbent RINOs.  Luckily, there will be only 9 incumbent Pubs running for reelection to the Senate: Luther Strange of Alabama, Jeff Flake of Arizona, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Deb Fischer of Nebraska, Dean Heller of Nevada, Bob Corker of Tennessee, our bud Ted Cruz of Texas, Orrin Hatch of Utah, and John Barrasso of Wyoming.  Start by determining the just how conservative these 9 are, and go from there with plans to either support or replace them in the primaries.

Second avenue for each house, determine the relative vulnerability of Dem seats on the block in 2016 so we can use our resources efficiently in targeting those whom we have the greatest chance of unseating. Again, focus on the Senate first.

The House will be a huge job since all 435 of them are up for reelection. (No wonder one of the main complaints is how congress is way too focused on elections than doing what they are elected to do.)
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Yeah, that information may be a bit sketchy this early on. Could be pulling air just finding names who have expressed interest in a U.S. Congressional run this early in the game.

This is why I strongly believe that TEA, as a movement, needs to get a bit more organized with communication between associations. You can bet the establishment is ready, not only with their names to start pushing as soon as the time comes to start focusing on the primaries, but with their mud slings primed and ready to fire at any probable names they may need to target.

We have two avenues to regard with respect to each house of CONgress. First is finding acceptable conservatives to run against incumbent RINOs.  Luckily, there will be only 9 incumbent Pubs running for reelection to the Senate: Luther Strange of Alabama, Jeff Flake of Arizona, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Deb Fischer of Nebraska, Dean Heller of Nevada, Bob Corker of Tennessee, our bud Ted Cruz of Texas, Orrin Hatch of Utah, and John Barrasso of Wyoming.  Start by determining the just how conservative these 9 are, and go from there with plans to either support or replace them in the primaries.

Second avenue for each house, determine the relative vulnerability of Dem seats on the block in 2016 so we can use our resources efficiently in targeting those whom we have the greatest chance of unseating. Again, focus on the Senate first.

The House will be a huge job since all 435 of them are up for reelection. (No wonder one of the main complaints is how congress is way too focused on elections than doing what they are elected to do.)
Agree, which is why we will take it incrementally starting with just a few at first and as we move closer to midterms we can kick up the game and focus on races most important, as in removing Marxists from both party's.
The upside is people come here for the Conservative take on any given issue and reference our work at their home forums, so we're in a unique position of influencing the vocal few early on and taking the lead in who gets TEA backing.

Maybe focus on the races where we can actually influence opinion and leave the rest, as well as invite candidates to make their case as TEA choice.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: supsalemgr on March 06, 2017, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Agree, which is why we will take it incrementally starting with just a few at first and as we move closer to midterms we can kick up the game and focus on races most important, as in removing Marxists from both party's.
The upside is people come here for the Conservative take on any given issue and reference our work at their home forums, so we're in a unique position of influencing the vocal few early on and taking the lead in who gets TEA backing.

Maybe focus on the races where we can actually influence opinion and leave the rest, as well as invite candidates to make their case as TEA choice.

Republican incumbents should be quite concerned they may be "primaried" if they don't get off their asses and do something. We have a good start in the House with the Freedom Caucus", but GOPe in the senate should be targets. I am really PO'd that McConnell is dragging his feet getting people confirmed. It is already hurting and an example is there is no Trump appointed Deputy AG and a career person is going to have to run any Russian investigation. I don't believe the Senate is in session today. Why not? McConnell is allowing Schumer to slow down everything. McConnell should announce a schedule to be in session six days a week until all confirmations are cleared, including judges. If the democrats don't like it, TS.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2017, 10:06:14 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 06, 2017, 09:56:57 AM
Republican incumbents should be quite concerned they may be "primaried" if they don't get off their asses and do something. We have a good start in the House with the Freedom Caucus", but GOPe in the senate should be targets. I am really PO'd that McConnell is dragging his feet getting people confirmed. It is already hurting and an example is there is no Trump appointed Deputy AG and a career person is going to have to run any Russian investigation. I don't believe the Senate is in session today. Why not? McConnell is allowing Schumer to slow down everything. McConnell should announce a schedule to be in session six days a week until all confirmations are cleared, including judges. If the democrats don't like it, TS.
Funny you would mention McCONnel dragging his feet. When I step back and look at the GOP'e actions, I can't help but see an unspoken collusion between the two party's with a shared goal of retaining power at all costs, and the GOPe will happily help the Dims remain relevant, instead of a final strike on the wooden stake.
Yes, they fear Trump and despise TEA enough to keep the opposition party alive and viable.
Title: NEWS FLASH!!!!
Post by: Hoofer on March 06, 2017, 02:01:46 PM
Hot off the AOL spam-email..!   From my spam box... it's a personal letter from Newt!

Ed Gillespie is back in!

QuoteI've seen it. You've seen it. The Democrats are enraged and engaged right now. They are kicking and screaming about every policy change that threatens their power structure.... and William, there aren't many races for them to turn their attention to this year except for a pretty big one happening right across the river from Washington, DC. The Virginia Governor's race.

That's why I'm emailing you right now.

My good friend Ed Gillespie is running for Governor of Virginia and he needs our help.

What was already going to be an expensive and watershed race has now become even more so. The Democrats are itching to say they were able to defeat a Republican right now and liberals are about to throw MILLIONS into Virginia to do just that.

They are going to stop at nothing - nasty attacks, false advertising and dirty campaigning - to see Ed Gillespie defeated. Ed needs our help right now.

Ed is a great guy. He's a stand up conservative who, if elected, will help strengthen Virginia's economy and undo the wrongs done by liberal Governor (and Clinton crony) Terry McAuliffe.

Will you join me in supporting one of the best Republicans I know?


"Ed Gillespie is running for Governor of Virginia and he needs our help is an entrenched GOPe who thinks it's his turn... again!"   FIFY   ... unemployment sucks!
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH!!!!
Post by: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 02:44:35 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 06, 2017, 02:01:46 PM
Hot off the AOL spam-email..!   From my spam box... it's a personal letter from Newt!

Ed Gillespie is back in!


"Ed Gillespie is running for Governor of Virginia and he needs our help is an entrenched GOPe who thinks it's his turn... again!"   FIFY   ... unemployment sucks!
So, Virginia TEA associations: what ya got to replace Gillespie?

So far for declared candidates on the R side we have, in addition to Gilligan-spie, Denver Riggleman - who seems to be a self-serving populist with strong libertarian leanings; Corey Stewart, who seems to have reasonable conservative principles going; and Frank Wagner, a state legislator whose sponsoered bills look like dim-lite.

Any Virginia people here to weigh in on this? Is the governor's spot ripe to be "primaried"?
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH!!!!
Post by: Hoofer on March 06, 2017, 03:59:15 PM
Quote from: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 02:44:35 PM
So, Virginia TEA associations: what ya got to replace Gillespie?

So far for declared candidates on the R side we have, in addition to Gilligan-spie, Denver Riggleman - who seems to be a self-serving populist with strong libertarian leanings; Corey Stewart, who seems to have reasonable conservative principles going; and Frank Wagner, a state legislator whose sponsoered bills look like dim-lite.

Any Virginia people here to weigh in on this? Is the governor's spot ripe to be "primaried"?

Don't know anything about them - BUT!!!!

https://www.nrcc.org/march-dinner-2017-contest-entry/
https://www.nrcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/NRCC-VP.png

A chance to win a free trip and dine with Trump.  (Of course they want money, this is the GOP after all).

Hell ya, I'd go if I won, and when they introduced me to prospective "R" candidates... I'd have a message... just for them!


Punkin the Pollster says Denver Riggleman is:
a. Ex-military  +1
b. Independently wealthy +1
c. Owns a craft Whiskey Distillery +1 (probably a +10 for some, or 'Proof 100')
New to politics, not sure if he should be running for Gov. for his first political office.
He might be better suited for Lt Governor, still appears a little "green politically".

Wikipedia says Corey Stewart is:
QuoteStewart, a Republican, has a reputation as a "blunt and outspoken" conservative, most notably in the context of his 2007 crackdown on illegal immigration, which drew national media attention.[2] Stewart served as the Virginia Chairman of the Donald Trump for President campaign between December 2015 and October 2016.[3]
....
Stewart joined a pro-Trump women's demonstration in front of the Committee's Washington, D.C. headquarters, resulting in his getting fired from his position on the campaign.[21]
Punkin the Pollster thought this is his 2nd or 3rd time running for statewide office, the rest I'll omit - I'll just say it's not favorable.

Frank (who?) Wagner - 4th in the polls, needs a miracle to start climbing.

Punkin the Pollster says Ed Gillespie does not fit the RINO tag as much as people think he is.

Current order in the Virginia Governor race (internal unpublished) polls...
Ed Gillespie
Corey Stewart
Denver Riggleman
Frank Wagner

I've had enough of the political corruption and career public servants (so-called).... I'd be OK with Ed, but prefer a non-politician type, like Denver Riggleman.

If there is a TEA party candidate - I'd like to hear from them, like right NOW.

https://vtppf.org/   ...hello....?

Punkin the Pollster believes it was Trump's Virginia state director, who worked for Corey Stewart, is one of the people who convinced Denver Riggleman to run for Gov, instead of Lt Gov. - during a retreat in December.  Also says Denver Riggleman is the closest to TEA (I see no official affiliation for any candidate).  Sorry, no links...
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
Ummmmm, who, exactly, is "Punkin the Pollster?"

"On the Issues" has Riggleman in favor (or at least unopposed) to gay marriage, and allowing "self-identification" adequate for which public restroom a person uses. One gets the feeling he is on the bandwagon for other social-engineering issues.  Hence my comment he seems a bit libertarian leaning.

Would be nice for a full blown TEA candidate to throw their hat in the ring.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
Ummmmm, who, exactly, is "Punkin the Pollster?"

"On the Issues" has Riggleman in favor (or at least unopposed) to gay marriage, and allowing "self-identification" adequate for which public restroom a person uses. One gets the feeling he is on the bandwagon for other social-engineering issues.  Hence my comment he seems a bit libertarian leaning.

Would be nice for a full blown TEA candidate to throw their hat in the ring.
Sounds more like a lib than anything.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:36:02 PM
Back to the Senate situation, seems Alabama is having some issues whether Governor Bentley had the authority to appoint Luther Strange to the seat instead of holding an immediate special election.

http://www.alabamanews.net/2017/03/06/bipartisan-lawsuit-filed-gov-bentley/

Sessions normally would have been up for re-election in 2020. Bentley "temporarily" filled Sessions' seat with the state AG who was in the process of investigating some kind of sex scandal involving the governor (yeah, that will look good to the voters!), pending a special election set for the November general mid-term election in 2016.

If the law does not allow a temporary appointment (TWO YEARS = "temporary"?!?) until a special election can be held, then Strange is out and AL will fill Sessions' seat by popular vote. (Opportunity? Or will the public be so disgusted with Bentley's obvious ploy to send votes toward the dims?)
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: supsalemgr on March 07, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:36:02 PM
Back to the Senate situation, seems Alabama is having some issues whether Governor Bentley had the authority to appoint Luther Strange to the seat instead of holding an immediate special election.

http://www.alabamanews.net/2017/03/06/bipartisan-lawsuit-filed-gov-bentley/

Sessions normally would have been up for re-election in 2020. Bentley "temporarily" filled Sessions' seat with the state AG who was in the process of investigating some kind of sex scandal involving the governor (yeah, that will look good to the voters!), pending a special election set for the November general mid-term election in 2016.

If the law does not allow a temporary appointment (TWO YEARS = "temporary"?!?) until a special election can be held, then Strange is out and AL will fill Sessions' seat by popular vote. (Opportunity? Or will the public be so disgusted with Bentley's obvious ploy to send votes toward the dims?)

AL voters are too smart to vote for a democrat.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 07, 2017, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
Ummmmm, who, exactly, is "Punkin the Pollster?"

"On the Issues" has Riggleman in favor (or at least unopposed) to gay marriage, and allowing "self-identification" adequate for which public restroom a person uses. One gets the feeling he is on the bandwagon for other social-engineering issues.  Hence my comment he seems a bit libertarian leaning.

Would be nice for a full blown TEA candidate to throw their hat in the ring.

Who does a dad call "Punkin"?   She worked for Ted's campaign - and several other down-ballot campaigns.
She also does internal polling, making use of social media and several other 'sources' to gauge voter sentiment.
Like most political types - they read this site, conservative and the rest.

I honestly don't have an opinion of the Virginia Governor race - but curiously, Punkin knows one of the candidates, through a mutual friendship....   Reminds me of Toilet Paper, flush 'em again.

Like most of the posters here, we bristle at the career politicians, the entrenched GOP establishment types - and some of us argue with the GOP surrogates who call for money... and reply to their emails.   Virginia is becoming a cesspool.
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: Hoofer on March 08, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
Here in Virginia - there isn't much difference between Democrats and Republicans.  We probably shouldn't expect much "conservative" activity - occasionally we get lucky, but both parties are ENTRENCHED in politics, and the door is basically SHUT to any newcomers, with an iron clad ceiling, should one slip through (Congressman Dave Bratt).

Maybe "folding up the tent" should have been "the right-wing of the Democratic tent".
Title: Re: Republicans folding up the Tent
Post by: zewazir on March 10, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on March 08, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
Here in Virginia - there isn't much difference between Democrats and Republicans.  We probably shouldn't expect much "conservative" activity - occasionally we get lucky, but both parties are ENTRENCHED in politics, and the door is basically SHUT to any newcomers, with an iron clad ceiling, should one slip through (Congressman Dave Bratt).

Maybe "folding up the tent" should have been "the right-wing of the Democratic tent".
Heck, with the exception of some properly TEA vetted politicians here and there, this statement can be basically applied nation wide. Hence the need for TEA to make ourselves BUSY behind the scenes in preparation for upcoming elections. With the current major disrupt in the democratic party, and the RINO majority of the 'Pubs standing around with their teeth hanging out wondering what to do, we have opportunity within all the chaos to force the R party to actually becomes what they claim to be.