Republicans folding up the Tent

Started by Hoofer, March 02, 2017, 05:25:52 PM

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Quote from: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Yeah, that information may be a bit sketchy this early on. Could be pulling air just finding names who have expressed interest in a U.S. Congressional run this early in the game.

This is why I strongly believe that TEA, as a movement, needs to get a bit more organized with communication between associations. You can bet the establishment is ready, not only with their names to start pushing as soon as the time comes to start focusing on the primaries, but with their mud slings primed and ready to fire at any probable names they may need to target.

We have two avenues to regard with respect to each house of CONgress. First is finding acceptable conservatives to run against incumbent RINOs.  Luckily, there will be only 9 incumbent Pubs running for reelection to the Senate: Luther Strange of Alabama, Jeff Flake of Arizona, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Deb Fischer of Nebraska, Dean Heller of Nevada, Bob Corker of Tennessee, our bud Ted Cruz of Texas, Orrin Hatch of Utah, and John Barrasso of Wyoming.  Start by determining the just how conservative these 9 are, and go from there with plans to either support or replace them in the primaries.

Second avenue for each house, determine the relative vulnerability of Dem seats on the block in 2016 so we can use our resources efficiently in targeting those whom we have the greatest chance of unseating. Again, focus on the Senate first.

The House will be a huge job since all 435 of them are up for reelection. (No wonder one of the main complaints is how congress is way too focused on elections than doing what they are elected to do.)
Agree, which is why we will take it incrementally starting with just a few at first and as we move closer to midterms we can kick up the game and focus on races most important, as in removing Marxists from both party's.
The upside is people come here for the Conservative take on any given issue and reference our work at their home forums, so we're in a unique position of influencing the vocal few early on and taking the lead in who gets TEA backing.

Maybe focus on the races where we can actually influence opinion and leave the rest, as well as invite candidates to make their case as TEA choice.
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Quote from: Solar on March 06, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Agree, which is why we will take it incrementally starting with just a few at first and as we move closer to midterms we can kick up the game and focus on races most important, as in removing Marxists from both party's.
The upside is people come here for the Conservative take on any given issue and reference our work at their home forums, so we're in a unique position of influencing the vocal few early on and taking the lead in who gets TEA backing.

Maybe focus on the races where we can actually influence opinion and leave the rest, as well as invite candidates to make their case as TEA choice.

Republican incumbents should be quite concerned they may be "primaried" if they don't get off their asses and do something. We have a good start in the House with the Freedom Caucus", but GOPe in the senate should be targets. I am really PO'd that McConnell is dragging his feet getting people confirmed. It is already hurting and an example is there is no Trump appointed Deputy AG and a career person is going to have to run any Russian investigation. I don't believe the Senate is in session today. Why not? McConnell is allowing Schumer to slow down everything. McConnell should announce a schedule to be in session six days a week until all confirmations are cleared, including judges. If the democrats don't like it, TS.
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Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 06, 2017, 09:56:57 AM
Republican incumbents should be quite concerned they may be "primaried" if they don't get off their asses and do something. We have a good start in the House with the Freedom Caucus", but GOPe in the senate should be targets. I am really PO'd that McConnell is dragging his feet getting people confirmed. It is already hurting and an example is there is no Trump appointed Deputy AG and a career person is going to have to run any Russian investigation. I don't believe the Senate is in session today. Why not? McConnell is allowing Schumer to slow down everything. McConnell should announce a schedule to be in session six days a week until all confirmations are cleared, including judges. If the democrats don't like it, TS.
Funny you would mention McCONnel dragging his feet. When I step back and look at the GOP'e actions, I can't help but see an unspoken collusion between the two party's with a shared goal of retaining power at all costs, and the GOPe will happily help the Dims remain relevant, instead of a final strike on the wooden stake.
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Hot off the AOL spam-email..!   From my spam box... it's a personal letter from Newt!

Ed Gillespie is back in!

QuoteI've seen it. You've seen it. The Democrats are enraged and engaged right now. They are kicking and screaming about every policy change that threatens their power structure.... and William, there aren't many races for them to turn their attention to this year except for a pretty big one happening right across the river from Washington, DC. The Virginia Governor's race.

That's why I'm emailing you right now.

My good friend Ed Gillespie is running for Governor of Virginia and he needs our help.

What was already going to be an expensive and watershed race has now become even more so. The Democrats are itching to say they were able to defeat a Republican right now and liberals are about to throw MILLIONS into Virginia to do just that.

They are going to stop at nothing - nasty attacks, false advertising and dirty campaigning - to see Ed Gillespie defeated. Ed needs our help right now.

Ed is a great guy. He's a stand up conservative who, if elected, will help strengthen Virginia's economy and undo the wrongs done by liberal Governor (and Clinton crony) Terry McAuliffe.

Will you join me in supporting one of the best Republicans I know?


"Ed Gillespie is running for Governor of Virginia and he needs our help is an entrenched GOPe who thinks it's his turn... again!"   FIFY   ... unemployment sucks!
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zewazir

Quote from: Hoofer on March 06, 2017, 02:01:46 PM
Hot off the AOL spam-email..!   From my spam box... it's a personal letter from Newt!

Ed Gillespie is back in!


"Ed Gillespie is running for Governor of Virginia and he needs our help is an entrenched GOPe who thinks it's his turn... again!"   FIFY   ... unemployment sucks!
So, Virginia TEA associations: what ya got to replace Gillespie?

So far for declared candidates on the R side we have, in addition to Gilligan-spie, Denver Riggleman - who seems to be a self-serving populist with strong libertarian leanings; Corey Stewart, who seems to have reasonable conservative principles going; and Frank Wagner, a state legislator whose sponsoered bills look like dim-lite.

Any Virginia people here to weigh in on this? Is the governor's spot ripe to be "primaried"?

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Quote from: zewazir on March 06, 2017, 02:44:35 PM
So, Virginia TEA associations: what ya got to replace Gillespie?

So far for declared candidates on the R side we have, in addition to Gilligan-spie, Denver Riggleman - who seems to be a self-serving populist with strong libertarian leanings; Corey Stewart, who seems to have reasonable conservative principles going; and Frank Wagner, a state legislator whose sponsoered bills look like dim-lite.

Any Virginia people here to weigh in on this? Is the governor's spot ripe to be "primaried"?

Don't know anything about them - BUT!!!!

https://www.nrcc.org/march-dinner-2017-contest-entry/
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A chance to win a free trip and dine with Trump.  (Of course they want money, this is the GOP after all).

Hell ya, I'd go if I won, and when they introduced me to prospective "R" candidates... I'd have a message... just for them!


Punkin the Pollster says Denver Riggleman is:
a. Ex-military  +1
b. Independently wealthy +1
c. Owns a craft Whiskey Distillery +1 (probably a +10 for some, or 'Proof 100')
New to politics, not sure if he should be running for Gov. for his first political office.
He might be better suited for Lt Governor, still appears a little "green politically".

Wikipedia says Corey Stewart is:
QuoteStewart, a Republican, has a reputation as a "blunt and outspoken" conservative, most notably in the context of his 2007 crackdown on illegal immigration, which drew national media attention.[2] Stewart served as the Virginia Chairman of the Donald Trump for President campaign between December 2015 and October 2016.[3]
....
Stewart joined a pro-Trump women's demonstration in front of the Committee's Washington, D.C. headquarters, resulting in his getting fired from his position on the campaign.[21]
Punkin the Pollster thought this is his 2nd or 3rd time running for statewide office, the rest I'll omit - I'll just say it's not favorable.

Frank (who?) Wagner - 4th in the polls, needs a miracle to start climbing.

Punkin the Pollster says Ed Gillespie does not fit the RINO tag as much as people think he is.

Current order in the Virginia Governor race (internal unpublished) polls...
Ed Gillespie
Corey Stewart
Denver Riggleman
Frank Wagner

I've had enough of the political corruption and career public servants (so-called).... I'd be OK with Ed, but prefer a non-politician type, like Denver Riggleman.

If there is a TEA party candidate - I'd like to hear from them, like right NOW.

https://vtppf.org/   ...hello....?

Punkin the Pollster believes it was Trump's Virginia state director, who worked for Corey Stewart, is one of the people who convinced Denver Riggleman to run for Gov, instead of Lt Gov. - during a retreat in December.  Also says Denver Riggleman is the closest to TEA (I see no official affiliation for any candidate).  Sorry, no links...
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zewazir

Ummmmm, who, exactly, is "Punkin the Pollster?"

"On the Issues" has Riggleman in favor (or at least unopposed) to gay marriage, and allowing "self-identification" adequate for which public restroom a person uses. One gets the feeling he is on the bandwagon for other social-engineering issues.  Hence my comment he seems a bit libertarian leaning.

Would be nice for a full blown TEA candidate to throw their hat in the ring.

Solar

Quote from: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
Ummmmm, who, exactly, is "Punkin the Pollster?"

"On the Issues" has Riggleman in favor (or at least unopposed) to gay marriage, and allowing "self-identification" adequate for which public restroom a person uses. One gets the feeling he is on the bandwagon for other social-engineering issues.  Hence my comment he seems a bit libertarian leaning.

Would be nice for a full blown TEA candidate to throw their hat in the ring.
Sounds more like a lib than anything.
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Back to the Senate situation, seems Alabama is having some issues whether Governor Bentley had the authority to appoint Luther Strange to the seat instead of holding an immediate special election.

http://www.alabamanews.net/2017/03/06/bipartisan-lawsuit-filed-gov-bentley/

Sessions normally would have been up for re-election in 2020. Bentley "temporarily" filled Sessions' seat with the state AG who was in the process of investigating some kind of sex scandal involving the governor (yeah, that will look good to the voters!), pending a special election set for the November general mid-term election in 2016.

If the law does not allow a temporary appointment (TWO YEARS = "temporary"?!?) until a special election can be held, then Strange is out and AL will fill Sessions' seat by popular vote. (Opportunity? Or will the public be so disgusted with Bentley's obvious ploy to send votes toward the dims?)

supsalemgr

Quote from: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:36:02 PM
Back to the Senate situation, seems Alabama is having some issues whether Governor Bentley had the authority to appoint Luther Strange to the seat instead of holding an immediate special election.

http://www.alabamanews.net/2017/03/06/bipartisan-lawsuit-filed-gov-bentley/

Sessions normally would have been up for re-election in 2020. Bentley "temporarily" filled Sessions' seat with the state AG who was in the process of investigating some kind of sex scandal involving the governor (yeah, that will look good to the voters!), pending a special election set for the November general mid-term election in 2016.

If the law does not allow a temporary appointment (TWO YEARS = "temporary"?!?) until a special election can be held, then Strange is out and AL will fill Sessions' seat by popular vote. (Opportunity? Or will the public be so disgusted with Bentley's obvious ploy to send votes toward the dims?)

AL voters are too smart to vote for a democrat.
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Hoofer

Quote from: zewazir on March 07, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
Ummmmm, who, exactly, is "Punkin the Pollster?"

"On the Issues" has Riggleman in favor (or at least unopposed) to gay marriage, and allowing "self-identification" adequate for which public restroom a person uses. One gets the feeling he is on the bandwagon for other social-engineering issues.  Hence my comment he seems a bit libertarian leaning.

Would be nice for a full blown TEA candidate to throw their hat in the ring.

Who does a dad call "Punkin"?   She worked for Ted's campaign - and several other down-ballot campaigns.
She also does internal polling, making use of social media and several other 'sources' to gauge voter sentiment.
Like most political types - they read this site, conservative and the rest.

I honestly don't have an opinion of the Virginia Governor race - but curiously, Punkin knows one of the candidates, through a mutual friendship....   Reminds me of Toilet Paper, flush 'em again.

Like most of the posters here, we bristle at the career politicians, the entrenched GOP establishment types - and some of us argue with the GOP surrogates who call for money... and reply to their emails.   Virginia is becoming a cesspool.
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Hoofer

Here in Virginia - there isn't much difference between Democrats and Republicans.  We probably shouldn't expect much "conservative" activity - occasionally we get lucky, but both parties are ENTRENCHED in politics, and the door is basically SHUT to any newcomers, with an iron clad ceiling, should one slip through (Congressman Dave Bratt).

Maybe "folding up the tent" should have been "the right-wing of the Democratic tent".
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zewazir

Quote from: Hoofer on March 08, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
Here in Virginia - there isn't much difference between Democrats and Republicans.  We probably shouldn't expect much "conservative" activity - occasionally we get lucky, but both parties are ENTRENCHED in politics, and the door is basically SHUT to any newcomers, with an iron clad ceiling, should one slip through (Congressman Dave Bratt).

Maybe "folding up the tent" should have been "the right-wing of the Democratic tent".
Heck, with the exception of some properly TEA vetted politicians here and there, this statement can be basically applied nation wide. Hence the need for TEA to make ourselves BUSY behind the scenes in preparation for upcoming elections. With the current major disrupt in the democratic party, and the RINO majority of the 'Pubs standing around with their teeth hanging out wondering what to do, we have opportunity within all the chaos to force the R party to actually becomes what they claim to be.